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Dave Stones 02-03-2004 15:38
bottled water...
 
those of you who drink dasani, just thought i'd bring this to your attention ;)

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...005189,00.html

ive never had a bottle of it... can anyone tell me if it glows like the only fools and horses water? :pp

Colin 02-03-2004 15:45
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They were giving this out free in Bristol, i obviously grabbed a bottle (well you would, wouldn't you) and yeah it just tastes like....well like water really. Nothing special bout it at all

Enterian 02-03-2004 15:46
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Hmmmm - I've an Aunt who lives near Sidcup - I could get some of her tap water, shove it through a Brita filter, put a stone in it (added minerals) and flog it for 75p a bottle.

Course, I'd have to think up a poncey name for it! :smokin: keeerchingggg!

Nugget 02-03-2004 15:48
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Originally Posted by Enterian
Course, I'd have to think up a poncey name for it! :smokin: keeerchingggg!
keeerchingggg! What a great name - does exactly what it says on the tin (or can...or bottle...or tetrapak) :)

Chris 02-03-2004 16:08
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Credit to Coca Cola for thinking up this scheme, and then having the sheer brass neck to go ahead with it. If the great British public are daft enough to fall for it, then frankly Coke deserve to make a packet exploiting them. It just shows the persuasive power of marketing.

To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:

gazzae 02-03-2004 16:10
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What does it actually describe the water as on the label?

Colin 02-03-2004 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
Credit to Coca Cola for thinking up this scheme, and then having the sheer brass neck to go ahead with it. If the great British public are daft enough to fall for it, then frankly Coke deserve to make a packet exploiting them. It just shows the persuasive power of marketing.
Too right, fair play to them. Thats why they're one of the richest companies in the world

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 16:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
Credit to Coca Cola for thinking up this scheme, and then having the sheer brass neck to go ahead with it. If the great British public are daft enough to fall for it, then frankly Coke deserve to make a packet exploiting them. It just shows the persuasive power of marketing.

To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:


exactly , that is a lot of it , marketing :shrug:

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 16:41
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i think tap water tastes nicer :)

ive yet to find someone who can tell the difference if blindfolded though...

bob_a_builder 02-03-2004 16:45
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Thats why they're one of the richest companies in the world
Well that, and the fact the US gov subsidised a worldwide chain of bottling plants during ww2 so their 'boys' could enjoy the taste of home.

That sort of thing can help you become a global player too

Colin 02-03-2004 16:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i think tap water tastes nicer :)

ive yet to find someone who can tell the difference if blindfolded though...
How many blindfolded people you met...... in fact don't answer that :)

To be honest, all bottled water does taste the same, It still doesn't stop me buying them when its a really hot day or i'm hungover at uni.

ian@huth 02-03-2004 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i think tap water tastes nicer :)

ive yet to find someone who can tell the difference if blindfolded though...
You haven't tasted our tapwater then. Never tasted anything so foul and it's undrinkable unless filtered, but it always seems to be at its best when Severn Trent come round to check it.

Chris 02-03-2004 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianathuth
You haven't tasted our tapwater then. Never tasted anything so foul and it's undrinkable unless filtered, but it always seems to be at its best when Severn Trent come round to check it.
I think there can be a difference between taste and drinkability - so far as the environmental health people are concerned, they're happy as long as what comes out of the tap isn't hazardous to health. Whether it actually tastes nice is another matter. We always filter our water because we're both northerners and we can't stand southern hard water. It messes up the kettle, puts a skin on your tea and tastes foul. I'm sure it's medically safe though.

danielf 02-03-2004 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:
I don't particularly like tap water. It's ok when cold, but when I bring a bottle of tap water into work, I find it has a nasty taste at room temperature. So I drink mineral water (not just bottled water, but mineral water)

Edit: Just read Iananuth's post. Guess who supplies our water :(

Shaun 02-03-2004 16:55
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I buy bottled carbonated water because I'd rather drink that than pop, but I wouldn't get still bottled water, the stuff in the tap is fine for me :)

dr wadd 02-03-2004 16:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
Credit to Coca Cola for thinking up this scheme, and then having the sheer brass neck to go ahead with it. If the great British public are daft enough to fall for it, then frankly Coke deserve to make a packet exploiting them. It just shows the persuasive power of marketing.
They are being investigated for by the Food Standards Agency for misleading labelling of the product, so it's not entirely stupidity to blame in this instance.

Ramrod 02-03-2004 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:
I usually filter my water because I don't want the chlorine and fluoride that is put into tap water. On a positive note, we have some of the best tap water in the world (imo) as we can drink it straight from the tap without getting Delhi Belly....something you can't do even in places like Italy!

SMHarman 02-03-2004 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
Credit to Coca Cola for thinking up this scheme, and then having the sheer brass neck to go ahead with it. If the great British public are daft enough to fall for it, then frankly Coke deserve to make a packet exploiting them. It just shows the persuasive power of marketing.

To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:
Amazes me that they are allowed to do it in Kent where there are water shortage problems every year now. WOuld it not be better to draw it from a central london spring where the water table is rising or from up north where there is generally more water around?

iadom 02-03-2004 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
I don't particularly like tap water. It's ok when cold, but when I bring a bottle of tap water into work, I find it has a nasty taste at room temperature. So I drink mineral water (not just bottled water, but mineral water)

Edit: Just read Iananuth's post. Guess who supplies our water :(
Our tap water is excellent and at the moment it is so cold that it gives you a headache if you drink it to quick.:cool:

Stuart 02-03-2004 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
To be honest the whole bottled water phenomenon confuses me, I never understood what was wrong with using a tap. :confused:
When I used to go to the gym (don't laugh anyone who knows me), I used to take bottled water. Not out of any attempt to be healthy, just conveniance..

Actually, I think the only real difference between bottled water and tap water is the profit margin, and marketing (I wonder if Isotonically balanced water is actually any better for you than normal water)..

Jerrek 02-03-2004 18:33
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We have a filter and softener in our basement for all the water. But we don't drink or cook with it. We buy those 4 gallon jugs and have a water dispenser. Nice, fresh distilled water. Tastes ... bland, but sure is healthy without the extra rocks and stones called "minerals" added to spring water.

danielf 02-03-2004 18:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrek
We have a filter and softener in our basement for all the water. But we don't drink or cook with it. We buy those 4 gallon jugs and have a water dispenser. Nice, fresh distilled water. Tastes ... bland, but sure is healthy without the extra rocks and stones called "minerals" added to spring water.
So do you filter and soften your water just to wash yourself and flush the toilet? :confused:

homealone 02-03-2004 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scastle
When I used to go to the gym (don't laugh anyone who knows me), I used to take bottled water. Not out of any attempt to be healthy, just conveniance..

Actually, I think the only real difference between bottled water and tap water is the profit margin, and marketing (I wonder if Isotonically balanced water is actually any better for you than normal water)..
Isotonic drinks, like the 'sport' drinks, are good if you have lost fluid due to perspiration, or diarrhoea, as they replace some of the lost minerals & give a glucose boost, as well.

Otherwise there is nothing wrong with normal water:)

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
those of you who drink dasani, just thought i'd bring this to your attention ;)

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...005189,00.html

ive never had a bottle of it... can anyone tell me if it glows like the only fools and horses water? :pp
I noticed that today's paper described it as being filtered 3 times and then further purified by reverse osmosis. Reverse osmosis is used in modern lab systems for producing pure water. These systems have a fair number of stages. Speaking from memory, they would start of with a deioniser to get rid of most of the minerals, then there'd be reverse osmosis to highly purify it then probably something like 'polishing' with activated carbon to get rid of any trace organics left.

So I'd say that the water in the bottle is quite pure. However, I also noticed that they had to put back in all the magnesium, sodium, bicarbonate and sulphate that they'd gone to all the trouble to remove to get some taste back into the insipid brew that they'd taken all the trouble to produce!

If you want tap water that has probably had trace heavy metals and (possibly) trace organics taken out of it, then by all means buy it; but I'll guarantee that you're paying an arm and a leg for something not much better than tap water. Probably better to spend your money on a Brita filter or similar.

Nostalgia time When I was a young lad (come back here, you!), we purified water by distillation or, for the luxury version, double distillation. If your water was like liquid chalk, the elements would fur up completely by the end of the first day.

Maggy 02-03-2004 19:06
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What's wrong with southern water.I like the stuff we get out of Portsdown Hill.All that calcium must be good for good healthy bones and it adds flavour. :)

Atomic22 02-03-2004 19:10
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i buy my water from asda......18 pence for 1.5 litres
tastes just as nice as evian or perrier......

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:12
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Originally Posted by Atomic22
i buy my water from asda......18 pence for 1.5 litres
tastes just as nice as evian or perrier......
I'm sure it does. Does it have an analysis on the label? If you take everything out, it tastes pretty, well, untasteful.

homealone 02-03-2004 19:13
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
What's wrong with southern water.I like the stuff we get out of Portsdown Hill.All that calcium must be good for good healthy bones and it adds flavour. :)
we have hard water here too - it comes from an aquifer, when we visit my sister in Scotland, where the water is really soft, I find I don't like to drink it, just doesn't taste 'right'.

iadom 02-03-2004 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodoric

Nostalgia time When I was a young lad (come back here, you!), we purified water by distillation or, for the luxury version, double distillation. If your water was like liquid chalk, the elements would fur up completely by the end of the first day.
Memories eh, when I was young and stupid, (now old and much the same) and at school, I remember being in the Science Room, the teacher was distilling some water. I did not notice the hose from the cold tap running into the equipment, all I could see was a bunsen burner under a glass jar, a few strange glass structures and a strong flow of water coming out of the end of a piece of rubber tube.
I asked the teacher why, if such a small amount of water could be turned into a steady flow, why wasn't this process used in the desert.:dunce: DOH.:D

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 19:20
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our water here comes from severn trent apparently... nice and free :)

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
What's wrong with southern water.I like the stuff we get out of Portsdown Hill.All that calcium must be good for good healthy bones and it adds flavour. :)
It probably is, and it gives it some taste as well, which is why Coca Cola have to put it back in. As I said, there may (possibly) be some benefit in that trace impurities have probably been removed, but I seriously doubt whether it's worth the exhorbitant price that you have to pay for it.

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom
Memories eh, when I was young and stupid, (now old and much the same) and at school, I remember being in the Science Room, the teacher was distilling some water. I did not notice the hose from the cold tap running into the equipment, all I could see was a bunsen burner under a glass jar, a few strange glass structures and a strong flow of water coming out of the end of a piece of rubber tube.
I asked the teacher why, if such a small amount of water could be turned into a steady flow, why wasn't this process used in the desert.:dunce: DOH.:D
:rofl:

so thats what passes for education in lancashire is it? ;)


*has to get the dig in while he can

kronas 02-03-2004 19:22
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for some reason i dont trust tap water......

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrek
We have a filter and softener in our basement for all the water. But we don't drink or cook with it. We buy those 4 gallon jugs and have a water dispenser. Nice, fresh distilled water. Tastes ... bland, but sure is healthy without the extra rocks and stones called "minerals" added to spring water.



distilled from a softener :shrug: :confused: :shrug: :confused: :shrug: :confused:

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
:rofl:

so thats what passes for education in lancashire is it? ;)


*has to get the dig in while he can
Yes, but they get so much rain in Lancashire that they probably think that a desert is something that you eat at the end of dinner. :)

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
for some reason i dont trust tap water......


its called paranoia :D :D :D :D

danielf 02-03-2004 19:24
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What I dislike about bottled water is the fact that it is so heavy to carry back from the shop. Luckily, someone has come up with a solution

iadom 02-03-2004 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
:rofl:

so thats what passes for education in lancashire is it? ;)


*has to get the dig in while he can
Read my Sig Yorkie Boy.:)

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:25
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Originally Posted by danielf
solution What I dislike about bottled water is the fact that it is so heavy to carry back from the shop. Luckily, someone has come up with a
Don't keep us in suspense! Come up with a what?
EDIT Oi, you've just cheated and added the missing word!

kronas 02-03-2004 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulyoung666
its called paranoia :D :D :D :D
you see the reason i dont trust it is because anything could be put in to it, chemicals, cancer causing ones, you never know.....

i dont think the quality of tap water is as good as it is being made out to be.

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 19:26
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who dares call me yorkie boy..... :pp lancashire will never win with the united powers of yorkshire and brummyland ;)

and as for the dehydrated water... :LOL:

iadom 02-03-2004 19:26
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Originally Posted by Theodoric
Yes, but they get so much rain in Lancashire that they probably think that a desert is something that you eat at the end of dinner. :)
Nice one.
IIRC, a recent survey put Swansea at the top of the rainfall league in the UK, sunny Manchester was well down the list.:D

Colin 02-03-2004 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
you see the reason i dont trust it is because anything could be put in to it, chemicals, cancer causing ones, you never know.....

i dont think the quality of tap water is as good as it is being made out to be.

And the purpose of this thread is to say that we actually don't know what we are buying when we buy bottled water (at least i think that was the purpose... Dave?)

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
you see the reason i dont trust it is because anything could be put in to it, chemicals, cancer causing ones, you never know.....

i dont think the quality of tap water is as good as it is being made out to be.
and you DO trust what goes on a bottling plant....:erm:

yorkshire water has the best water in the country kraunas ;)

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
you see the reason i dont trust it is because anything could be put in to it, chemicals, cancer causing ones, you never know.....

i dont think the quality of tap water is as good as it is being made out to be.
Sigh! Why do I bother! Repeat after me 100 times. "Even the purest of pure water is full of chemicals." (Well, one, to be precise.)

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 19:28
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Originally Posted by col d
And the purpose of this thread is to say that we actually don't know what we are buying when we buy bottled water (at least i think that was the purpose... Dave?)
vaguely... more to laugh at the ppl who thinnk they are getting a great product but are actually getting tap water ;)

Colin 02-03-2004 19:30
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Originally Posted by Dave Stones
vaguely... more to laugh at the ppl who thinnk they are getting a great product but are actually getting tap water ;)
Fair enough. :D

Hasn't this kind of thing happened in the past? Is anyone actually surprised?

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 19:32
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Originally Posted by col d
Fair enough. :D

Hasn't this kind of thing happened in the past? Is anyone actually surprised?



not really surprised about it being ' modified ' tap water , no , it is just a bit underhand imo :fit:

kronas 02-03-2004 19:33
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Originally Posted by Theodoric
Sigh! Why do I bother! Repeat after me 100 times. "Even the purest of pure water is full of chemicals." (Well, one, to be precise.)
exactly, how do you know its not affecting your health any of them, even tap water.

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Originally Posted by Dave Stones
and you DO trust what goes on a bottling plant....:erm:
i never said i did, then again which can you trust ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
yorkshire water has the best water in the country kraunas ;)
you missing it already ?

birrrrmingham tap water not good enough ?

and its kronas :mad: :pp

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Originally Posted by col d
And the purpose of this thread is to say that we actually don't know what we are buying when we buy bottled water (at least i think that was the purpose... Dave?)
yes that is the purpose of this thread, i saw the article yesterday i was thinking to myself why would anyone buy a healthy drink from the coca cola company, they are responsable for the gut rot known as cola ?

Theodoric 02-03-2004 19:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
exactly, how do you know its not affecting your health any of them, even tap water.
You are quite right. Check out this site for the horrific dangers of the main chemical in tap water.

Jerrek 02-03-2004 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
So do you filter and soften your water just to wash yourself and flush the toilet? :confused:
Yes. And to water the lawn. Do you want to shower in dirty water full of fluoride?

luftys 02-03-2004 19:58
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Well we have the best water :D Coca-Cola think so :rofl: :rofl:

Theodoric 02-03-2004 20:00
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yes. And to water the lawn. Do you want to shower in dirty water full of fluoride?
Well, as long as you keep your mouth shut during the shower, I doubt if the fluoride will be absorbed via the skin.

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yes. And to water the lawn. Do you want to shower in dirty water full of fluoride?



are YOU that vain that you have to bathe in softened water , btw how do you reckon it is distilled :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Dave Stones 02-03-2004 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
you missing it already ?

birrrrmingham tap water not good enough ?

and its kronas :mad: :pp
birmingham tap water is about the same standard lol. i dont drink it often enough really to tell. i drink mountain dew etc :D

i just know enough to know not to buy bottled stuff when i can get water, electricity, gas, 10m bb and a bed in the same price ;)

and dont tell me how to spell... i think i know how to spell your name better than yourself ;)

after all, i'm older :pp

danielf 02-03-2004 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yes. And to water the lawn. Do you want to shower in dirty water full of fluoride?
I couldn't care less... If it's save to drink it, then it must be save to shower in it. And since when is fluoride dirty? Have you ever considered how much muck there is in rain? Or sea water?

kronas 02-03-2004 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
birmingham tap water is about the same standard lol. i dont drink it often enough really to tell.
so how do you know :pp


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
and dont tell me how to spell... i think i know how to spell your name better than yourself ;)
i dont fink so ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
after all, i'm older :pp
age is just a figure, its the person themselves that matters.

Jerrek 02-03-2004 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulyoung666
are YOU that vain that you have to bathe in softened water , btw how do you reckon it is distilled :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
If you don't soften the water, you will get calcium deposits in 2 days. Our town's water come from an underground river with lots of limestone deposits.

Second, the way you soften water is with salt. Lots of salt. Thats why you need a FILTER for, to get rid of all the nasties.

Jerrek 02-03-2004 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
I couldn't care less... If it's save to drink it, then it must be save to shower in it. And since when is fluoride dirty? Have you ever considered how much muck there is in rain? Or sea water?
Go to your local chemist and take a big BIG sniff of fluoride. Report back here if you can.

danielf 02-03-2004 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrek
Go to your local chemist and take a big BIG sniff of fluoride. Report back here if you can.
Are you trying to say that the water you guys get comes straight out of the ground and is not purified at all?

Round here tap water is perfectly usable for drinking/bathing/watering the lawn. Filtering and softening the water for bathing would be considered very odd...

kronas 02-03-2004 21:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
Round here tap water is perfectly usable for drinking/bathing/watering the lawn. Filtering and softening the water for bathing would be considered very odd...
im in agreement with jerrek here (never thought i would say that) if its filtered, then its proberbly much safer then tap water i did say earlier on, you dont know what exactly is in tap water, the water compaines provide a service, its about profits to them.

danielf 02-03-2004 21:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
im in agreement with jerrek here (never thought i would say that) if its filtered, then its proberbly much safer then tap water i did say earlier on, you dont know what exactly is in tap water, the water compaines provide a service, its about profits to them.
I think you are being a bit paranoid here. You don't know what is in bottled water either, and bottled water producers make profits as well. Water utilities are pretty well monitored. And, as someone mentioned earlier, the Dasani water is tap water (slightly more purified yes), but still tap water. Tap water in the UK is perfectly drinkable. You may not like the taste, but it will do you no harm.

Anyway, Jerrek said he was filtering it for bathing. I said that would be considered very odd here, as there is aboloutely no danger/discomfort associated with bathing in tap water.

kronas 02-03-2004 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
I think you are being a bit paranoid here.
im curious and paranoid, not a zombie who will take an excuse, i want facts, figures, evidence, breakdowns.



Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
You don't know what is in bottled water either, and bottled water producers make profits as well. Water utilities are pretty well monitored.
with all the monitering/checking in the world it doesent stop fraud does it ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
And, as someone mentioned earlier, the Dasani water is tap water (slightly more purified yes), but still tap water. Tap water in the UK is perfectly drinkable. You may not like the taste, but it will do you no harm.
you cannot guarantee that, im not endorsing the 'designer drink' i think its just cheating people, but i am questiong the safety of tap water.

paulyoung666 02-03-2004 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
im in agreement with jerrek here (never thought i would say that) if its filtered, then its proberbly much safer then tap water i did say earlier on, you dont know what exactly is in tap water, the water compaines provide a service, its about profits to them.



but it is still not distilled is it ;)

bob_a_builder 02-03-2004 22:25
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Quote:
the water compaines provide a service, its about profits to them.
And of course profits are a complete anathma to CokeCola :rolleyes:

downquark1 02-03-2004 22:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodoric
You are quite right. Check out this site for the horrific dangers of the main chemical in tap water.
:rofl: :rofl: I was saving that for april fools day :mad:

Moox 02-03-2004 22:31
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Give me tap water here anyday. Yes the bottled water is treated again but why do they take it from downstream of a sewage treatment works outlet?

Alan Waddington 02-03-2004 22:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1
:rofl: :rofl: I was saving that for april fools day :mad:
I have a bottle of dihydrogen-peroxide in the kitchen right now :rofl:

Stuart 02-03-2004 22:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
you cannot guarantee that, im not endorsing the 'designer drink' i think its just cheating people, but i am questiong the safety of tap water.
Kronas, you cannot guarantee the safety of bottled water either. And, has been proved recently by Coca Cola, you can't guarantee you aren't getting tap water any way.

What do you drink?

Maggy 02-03-2004 22:54
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WTF?Arguing again? ABOUT WATER? :shrug:

You lot are NUTS. :rofl:

Stuart 02-03-2004 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
WTF?Arguing again? ABOUT WATER? :shrug:

You lot are NUTS. :rofl:
Life gets boring if you can't argue.... :rofl::rofl:

Seriously, I was just curious as to what kronas drank if he wouldn't drink water..

danielf 02-03-2004 22:59
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
WTF?Arguing again? ABOUT WATER? :shrug:

You lot are NUTS. :rofl:
You call that arguing???

I thought it was a very sensible discussion. About water yes, but still a sensible discussion :shrug:

Maggy 02-03-2004 23:03
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What's to discuss?I can understand politics,religion and sex but WATER?Get a grip. :pp

danielf 02-03-2004 23:07
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
What's to discuss?I can understand politics,religion and sex but WATER?Get a grip. :pp
Well, it started out with the slightly underhand motives of the coca cola company that sell purified tap water as 'designer water', and then some people remarked about not understanding why people buy bottled water, and then some people said they didn't like tap water. Same process as most other threads really...

At least we all know about water, as opposed to how your firewall can interact with your DHCP leasing...

Maggy 02-03-2004 23:12
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Originally Posted by danielf
Well, it started out with the slightly underhand motives of the coca cola company that sell purified tap water as 'designer water', and then some people remarked about not understanding why people buy bottled water, and then some people said they didn't like tap water. Same process as most other threads really...

At least we all know about water, as opposed to how your firewall can interact with your DHCP leasing...
Ok YOU arg errr...discuss about water,I'm off to find a slightly more riveting subject. :wavey:

danielf 02-03-2004 23:14
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Ok YOU arg errr...discuss about water,I'm off to find a slightly more riveting subject. :wavey:
May I suggest the clingfilm thread? :) :wavey:

Maggy 02-03-2004 23:17
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Originally Posted by danielf
May I suggest the clingfilm thread? :) :wavey:
Actually it wasn't mainly about clingfilm it was supposed to be about inventions that were more trouble than they were worth.Maybe I can get some sensible answers now you are discussing water and it's merits.;)

Julian 02-03-2004 23:21
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I live in a hard water area. The tap water is fine for drinking... but you cannot create any lather for washing etc. Also the calcium knackers your washing machine, dishwasher, central heating system etc.

I fitted a water softener to soften the water for those things to do with washing/central heating, leaving unsoftened water available for drinking and outside taps. I do use a Brita water filter for the water that goes into the kettle.

Earlier in the thread it was said that salt softens the water... not as far as I know... the saline solution is used to clean the softener during its recharge cycle not to actually soften the water itself. :)

danielf 02-03-2004 23:21
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Actually it wasn't mainly about clingfilm it was supposed to be about inventions that were more trouble than they were worth.Maybe I can get some sensible answers now you are discussing water and it's merits.;)
Sensible answers about inventions that are more trouble than they are worth? At the risk of going off-topic, I would have to say that the super clingfilm called shrink wrap is very high on my list...

Jerrek 03-03-2004 00:16
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Originally Posted by danielf
Are you trying to say that the water you guys get comes straight out of the ground and is not purified at all?

Round here tap water is perfectly usable for drinking/bathing/watering the lawn. Filtering and softening the water for bathing would be considered very odd...
No, its purified to some sorts, but not a lot. There is no need to recycle water here. We have more lakes and rivers than anywhere else.

I believe the water is chloronated and fluoride is added, but it doesn't mean it is healthy. You can drink the water and bath in it, but err.... After three months you'll see the calcium deposits on the shower curtains.

Jerrek 03-03-2004 00:18
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Originally Posted by scastle
Kronas, you cannot guarantee the safety of bottled water either. And, has been proved recently by Coca Cola, you can't guarantee you aren't getting tap water any way.

What do you drink?
Hmm perhaps... But the water we buy is distilled, guaranteed. It even tastes like it... (or rather, no taste...)

SMHarman 03-03-2004 00:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian
I live in a hard water area. The tap water is fine for drinking... but you cannot create any lather for washing etc. Also the calcium knackers your washing machine, dishwasher, central heating system etc.

I fitted a water softener to soften the water for those things to do with washing/central heating, leaving unsoftened water available for drinking and outside taps. I do use a Brita water filter for the water that goes into the kettle.

Earlier in the thread it was said that salt softens the water... not as far as I know... the saline solution is used to clean the softener during its recharge cycle not to actually soften the water itself. :)
Is softened water safe to drink?

A water softener cannot remove microbiological contaminants that cause illness and should only be used to treat drinking water that is considered to be microbiologically safe.

Water softeners replace "hard" minerals with "soft" minerals such as sodium. The fact that sodium chloride (a salt) is used to soften water raises a concern about the potential health risks for those persons suffering from hypertension, kidney disease or congestive heart failure.

As the incidence of hypertension increases and the number of individuals on sodium-restricted diets rises, water softener manufacturing companies have begun to promote the use of potassium chloride as a safe alternative to sodium chloride. However, potential health risks are also a concern where potassium chloride (also a salt) is used to soften water.

Water containing high levels of sodium or potassium should not be used for drinking, making coffee, juice, infant formula or for cooking.

If you do not want this additional sodium or potassium in your diet, or if you are on a medically prescribed diet, a separate cold water line and faucet can be installed which bypasses the water softener. This allows for drinking and cooking with unsoftened cold water.

http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...abhose_066.cfm

zoombini 03-03-2004 08:40
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Its not called paranoia! Have you ever seen a report on your tap water?
You can get them from your water supplier & they have to provide them.
I got one a few years ago when I was into the filter buisness.

It shows just how much "poo" is in it, and its there.

Tap water may be nice & drinkable in some areas but in many it is only fit for flushing down the toilet.

If you can afford the constant replacements & upkeep then fitting a filter is a good move, removing all those unwanted bugs & the muck thats in it. Some even get such nice water that when they put it in a glass it looks like sludge!

Julian 03-03-2004 09:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
Is softened water safe to drink?

A water softener cannot remove microbiological contaminants that cause illness and should only be used to treat drinking water that is considered to be microbiologically safe.

Water softeners replace "hard" minerals with "soft" minerals such as sodium. The fact that sodium chloride (a salt) is used to soften water raises a concern about the potential health risks for those persons suffering from hypertension, kidney disease or congestive heart failure.

As the incidence of hypertension increases and the number of individuals on sodium-restricted diets rises, water softener manufacturing companies have begun to promote the use of potassium chloride as a safe alternative to sodium chloride. However, potential health risks are also a concern where potassium chloride (also a salt) is used to soften water.

Water containing high levels of sodium or potassium should not be used for drinking, making coffee, juice, infant formula or for cooking.

If you do not want this additional sodium or potassium in your diet, or if you are on a medically prescribed diet, a separate cold water line and faucet can be installed which bypasses the water softener. This allows for drinking and cooking with unsoftened cold water.

http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...abhose_066.cfm
Good, I was right then. :)

I have never used the softened water for drinking, only for cleaning etc. :)

Stuart 03-03-2004 09:47
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Hmm perhaps... But the water we buy is distilled, guaranteed. It even tastes like it... (or rather, no taste...)
Yeah, but my question was seeing as Kronas doesn't seem to trust either Bottled or Tap water, what does he drink?

Graham 03-03-2004 13:29
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"If you go to American city,
"You will find it very pretty.
"Just two things you must beware...
"DON'T drink the water and DON'T breathe the air!"

- Tom Lehrer: Pollution

SMHarman 03-03-2004 15:11
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I assume this launch is in response to Aquafina. Again bottled tap water. Is this a marketing problem, or a bottled water problem. What would the press say if Thames were to launch Thames water in bottles? - waits for jokes about the quality of the water in the river Thames.

http://www.aquafina.com/home.htm

http://www.aquafina.com/faq.htm


Whatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s in Aquafina water?
Aquafina is non-carbonated, purified drinking water. Purity Guaranteed.

Contains: Purified water
Calories 0
Total Fats (g) 0
Sodium (mg) 0
Potassium (mg) 0
Total Carbohydrates (g) 0
Sugars (g) 0
Protein (g) 0
Caffeine (mg) 0

How does Aquafina purify its water?
Aquafina guarantees consistent purity and great taste by means of a state-of-the-art purification process that includes reverse osmosis. We give you water that's guaranteed to be pure. No added flavors or fizz. No added minerals, colors or unwanted impurities. These processes are what allow Pepsi-Cola Company to guarantee our consistent purity and great taste.

What is Reverse Osmosis?
Reverse osmosis (RO) utilizes semi-permeable membranes with smaller pore sizes than microfiltration, ultrafiltration and nanofiltration to remove unwanted impurities in the water. RO removes approximately 98% of dissolved solids, or ions (sodium, calcium, chloride, etc.), from the water source.

What is the history behind Aquafina?
Aquafina was introduced in Wichita, KS, in 1994 and reached national distribution in 1997. Since its debut, Aquafina has won over consumers with its great taste and purity. Aquafina is currently America's #1 selling bottled water brand in measured retail channels.

In what size bottles can I buy Aquafina water?
Aquafina is distributed nationwide and can be enjoyed in 16.9 oz, 20 oz, 24 oz, 1L and 1.5L bottles.

What sporting events does Aquafina sponsor?
Aquafina is the †œOfficial Bottled WaterÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â of AVP Pro Beach Volleyball and the PGA of America (including the PGA Championship, PGA Grand Slam, U.S. Ryder Cup and Seniorsââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ Championship).

What are consumers looking for in bottled water?
Research shows what consumers want most in bottled water is consistent purity and crisp, clean refreshment. Aquafina is noncarbonated, purified drinking water, with purity guaranteed. No minerals are added.

Aquafina is a registered trademark of PepsiCo, Inc.

ic14 03-03-2004 17:31
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Originally Posted by SMHarman
Aquafina is a registered trademark of PepsiCo, Inc.
ah guess that explains it! They didnt want Pepsi to make profits in a new area without some competion.

Theodoric 03-03-2004 22:12
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
but it is still not distilled is it ;)
You need some definitions here.

If it's filtered, and you use the accepted definition of filtration, then all it will do is take out any particulate matter above a certain size.

If it's deionised then it will remove all ionic compounds such as sodium, magnesium, carbonate, chloride, sulphate and probably trace heavy metals, but not organic materials.

If you pass it through activated carbon it will remove a lot of the organics.

If you distil it, it should in theory, remove most things but something will be carried over as a slight amount of spray and also, I'd guess, any volatile organics plus any organics that can be steam distilled (aniline, for example, I think). Plus, it will soon absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere on standing.

I'm a bit vague about reverse osmosis but I think, offhand, that it should remove both ionic compounds and organics, but I stand ready to be corrected.

EDIT To head off any pedantic criticism from the likes of , oh, people like me, I realise that calling sodium ions etc compounds is wrong, wrong, wrong!

gary_580 03-03-2004 22:44
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Originally Posted by SMHarman

What is Reverse Osmosis?

isnt that where you say something and someone translates it to OZZY speak for you?

homealone 03-03-2004 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodoric
You need some definitions here.

If it's filtered, and you use the accepted definition of filtration, then all it will do is take out any particulate matter above a certain size.

If it's deionised then it will remove all ionic compounds such as sodium, magnesium, carbonate, chloride, sulphate and probably trace heavy metals, but not organic materials.

If you pass it through activated carbon it will remove a lot of the organics.

If you distil it, it should in theory, remove most things but something will be carried over as a slight amount of spray and also, I'd guess, any volatile organics plus any organics that can be steam distilled (aniline, for example, I think). Plus, it will soon absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere on standing.

I'm a bit vague about reverse osmosis but I think, offhand, that it should remove both ionic compounds and organics, but I stand ready to be corrected.

EDIT To head off any pedantic criticism from the likes of , oh, people like me, I realise that calling sodium ions etc compounds is wrong, wrong, wrong!
brilliant post, Theo, valency theory took me by surprise too :D

Dave Stones 19-03-2004 12:43
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sorry to bump an old thread, but...

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...128058,00.html

oh dear ;)

Theodoric 19-03-2004 14:49
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Originally Posted by Dave Stones
sorry to bump an old thread, but...

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...128058,00.html

oh dear ;)
Well, at least they weren't as scientifically illiterate as the BBC, who decided to call bromate a non-metallic salt.

paulyoung666 19-03-2004 14:51
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and after all that boasting about how good it is , talk about putting your foot in it :D :D :D :D :D


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