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I'm thinking of downgrading my family pack to base pack but I want to keep sky sports 1,2 and 3. Can anyone tell me how much this will cost? I can't find any custom package info at all on the ntl website.

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family pack plus ss1 2 3 xtra , £40.50 / month , they are having a laugh arent they , for £40 on sky digi you get the films as well :D :D :D :D

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£38.50 a month

Use the ntl:home product picker at ntlhome.com - its in the pink part of the webpage

I said you didn't want a wide range of TV channels, you wanted sports, you didn't want movies and you had no children so you wouldn't want kids channels :)

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well thats funny , i did exactly the same and got £40.50 :confused:

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Thats because you said he wanted the Famliy Pack - he only wants the Base Pack :)

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ahhhhhhhhh right , apologies for that and t/y for putting me right , still a rip off though :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


£33 / month on sky digi for more choice , including sky movies 2 4 6 8 to boot :)

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Sky with the Value Pack, Sky Sports and Sky Movies is £38
ntl: with the Base Pack, Sky Sports and Sky Movies is £36 (£45.50 minus £9.50 for phoneline rental)

Very similar channel choice (minus all the shopping channels lol), Sky outweighs ntl: on interactivity - but yeah I think the pricing is dreadful

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i think i will leave it there before i get even more confused :confused:

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remember all ntl digital prices include £9.50 phone line rental, so to get a fair comparison between ntl and sky you have to minus £9.50 off the ntl prices.

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Thats not really a fair comparison though is it, you cant just leave off the phone line and actually get just the telly for the lower price. Just another way for Ntl to screw you all :)

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ntl really shouldn't bundle their tv with telephone, you should have the option for the family pack, because not everyone has a phone line and not everyone wants a phone line. and plus, people may have a good deal with their bt and may have asdl.
ntl are a bit stupid! :D

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Unless you want a phoneline, which ntl as a bundled provider would like you to take. In which case it is a fair comparison against Sky and BT. And I think most do take the phoneline.
Screwing? Or trying to make money as a company? Because ultimately as some of you forget ntl are trying to make money.

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Of course they do, after all whats the point in paying for something (which you have to if you take the Ntl telly) and not using it??

Yes screwing, Sky don't insist that you take a BT line, and BT don't insist that you take Sky, it forces people to take a service they don't want, hardly fair :)

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Although I see what you're saying, it's hardly unfair. It's not like they hide anything from you. You know what you're getting before you sign up, so you either take it or you don't.

Browneggsandham :)

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And do Sky or BT compete ? No. Are they joining together to offer discounts? Yes.
Once again I'll point out, ntl are trying to make money, not compete on a product by product basis.

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At the end of the day, if you take Ntl's telly for what ever reason (be it not being able to get sky etc.) you are FORCED to take their phone line, some may be happy with that but personally I think it stinks of Ntl's regular arrogance. Not the most customer focused decision they ever made :)

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dellwear I couldnt agree with you more, although I want a phoneline I think some people might not want a phoneline so should have the choice

eg. Bt line with ntl tv.

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Yea but ntls calls are cheaper than BT.

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ntl are trying to make money. They don't make much from cable TV as they have to pay the likes of Sky for the content. The phoneline however is where profit can be made as they don't have to pay anyone else for it.
By combining the TV and phoneline, they can compete in terms of price with the equivelent Sky and BT price. Its not arrogance its good business sense.

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Sky don't FORCE you tot ake a BT line, but they'll try and get you to by any way they can - another case of "Unless you know what you want we'll give you what works best for us" :(

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Oooh, and when NTL Bundle in a phone line it's usually because it's cheap as anything for them to wire it in as part and parcel. They don't actually charge a line rental or anything as it really doesn't cost them any more to have the phone line into your house... At least that's what I *think* anyway :)

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Forcing your product on your customers is not 'good business sense'. It is rude & arrogant, & sums up ntls's attitude towards it's customer IMHO.

Good business sense is all about offering a choice to your customers, & the reason that ntl don't is that they obviously know that their phone package is inferior to BT's (& also that it would make it much easier for an ntl customer to get ADSL if they had a BT phone line), & that (IMO) is why they force it on people.

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Apart from not being able to offer caller display in all regions, why is ntl's phone package inferior to BTs?

I'm sure, depending on how you use your phone, one package may suit an individuals needs more than the other, but surely that's not inferior?? :shrug:

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Not being able to offer Caller display in most regions. ;)

If it's not inferior to BT's, then why do ntl force their phone line on their TV customers?

If it was better, or even equivalent to, BT's service then surely they wouldn't have to?

And don't call me Shirley! :D

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No Neil, it is in only some regions - Typically ESE on ICMS. If anyone on here in CS cares to correct me, please do. :)

BT don't offer cable television, so on the whole, it's not a very good comparison...but the reason ntl 'bundle' (as opposed to 'force'... ) their telephone and cable tv services is to gain quick revenue from the phone bills to offset a relatively expensive install for cable tv which would take over a year from the bills of the average customer to break even on (let alone and heaven forbid, make a profit on :eek:... ). And the fact that a lot of customers do prefer to have both services from one supplier. :)
I'll stick to SPOD then... ;) :kiss:

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They are not cheaper for me with my calling pattern and if you look carefully at what call prices are available via a BT line then you would be hard pushed to find anyones calling pattern cheapest on a NTL line.

I have Sky with a NTL telephone line ( to be dumped when the special offer finishes unless they alter their charges) and have never been approached by Sky to move to BT or had any contact from them regarding the line I use.

NTL charge £9.50 for telephone line rental or include it in a TV package which is normally £9.50 dearer than Sky's for a similar package. At the moment NTL haven't passed on the latest Sky price increase but no doubt soon will.

Call it bundle or force but the end result is that if you want NTL DTV you have to have, or pay for, the telephone line. It may take a while to recover the cost of the TV installation just as it takes Sky a while to recover the slightly higher cost of having a satellite up there. If customers prefer to have both services from one supplier there is nothing to stop them switching to NTL phone of their own volition rather than having it forced on them. Most people like having multiple services from the same supplier because you normally get a discount by doing so, but not in the case of NTL. As I said earlier, NTL telephone call charges are not the cheapest and they would more than likely lose a massive number of phone customers if the line wasn't bundled with the TV. I think that much of the advertising of telephone call prices is flawed in comparing with BT standard pricing rather than BT Together pricing.

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Sky do not put the satellites up there, they just rent space from SES ASTRA or Eutelsat.

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That's why I said "having" rather than "putting". :)

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When I subscribed to Sky they tried to force me to take a BT line saying if I didn't I couldn't get Sky, it was only because I work for ntl that I knew this was bu||$h!t so don't just pass the blame to ntl. Also a comparison between ntl and BT, both providers offer a simular talk unlimited 24 service, ntl charge 15.50 a month whereas BT charge 19.00 per month. Another one: ntl unlimited dial-up internet (24/7) is just 10.00 per month, with BT you have to pay 15.99 a month (already a rip-off) plus you only get 150 hours per month on the net! So to look at it in that perspective it is cheaper to get ntl phone and TV services together and people would be stupid not to want to, who wants to pay BT's ludacrous prices anyway?

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They rent the transponders on an ongoing basis, they don't pay a one off fee. So how do they recover the cost?

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What about someone like me who has anologue HAS to pay for a phoneline that NTL say they cannot provide anyway, That is a rip off, I am now told they are increasing my Anologue pack from £37 to £47 a month and STILL cannot supply the phone line I am paying for which means an added £11 to BT totalling an impressive £58 for phone and anologue tv. THIS IS A RIP OFF considering I have been with NTL since C&W were taken over THEY HAVE HAD THEIR INSTALL BACK IN FULL

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??That's ridiculous! Why can't they supply you with a phone line? :eek:

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Apparently somethng to do with Flats in London using dodgy Cable and Wireless installlation. I have BT and Broadband which are great but am not in a position to do anything else, it would work out a lot cheaper taking NTL phone and braodband