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kronas 25-02-2004 00:48

4 kidneys per brother
 
josip galic who is 69 and from bosnia, had a car accident recently..... during routine checks for his health and well being under those circumstances, it was found that he actually has 4 kidneys.

josip galic said:

Quote:

"That surprised me, but at least it explained why I could drink all my friends under the table, and never had a hangover."
his brother also has 4 kidneys, all are normal sized and healthy.

source: ananova

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...ceanddiscovery

:eek:

Nor 25-02-2004 01:11

Re: 4 kidneys per brother
 
What a lucky guy :)

Maggy 25-02-2004 07:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
josip galic who is 69 and from bosnia, had a car accident recently..... during routine checks for his health and well being under those circumstances, it was found that he actually has 4 kidneys.

josip galic said:



his brother also has 4 kidneys, all are normal sized and healthy.

source: ananova

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...ceanddiscovery

:eek:

Ooer! Sounds like an upgrade for the human race. :)

I wonder how many times they have to spend a penny?

Incog.

Ramrod 25-02-2004 08:57

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I wonder how many times they have to spend a penny?

Don't you get a medal for a comment like that? :D

Paul 25-02-2004 09:26

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Yep - I think Incog deserves an EBTA for that. :)

downquark1 25-02-2004 10:22

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Evolution at work.

Now all we need is alcohol poisoning to kill the rest of us and a new variant of human will exist!

luftys 25-02-2004 14:27

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the kidneys produce about 200 quarts (or 190 liters) of fluid and reabsorb all but one to two quarts, which come out as urine.
but that is only with 2 kidneys,so double it,wow that is 1 pee

Jerrek 25-02-2004 14:31

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Weird.

Xaccers 25-02-2004 14:33

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Weird.

The joys of genetics in motion :)

Jerrek 25-02-2004 14:34

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It isn't genetics, unless you're telling me his children will inherit it.

Xaccers 25-02-2004 14:49

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
It isn't genetics, unless you're telling me his children will inherit it.

How do you explain it if it isn't genetic then Jerrek? :D

downquark1 25-02-2004 14:52

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
It isn't genetics, unless you're telling me his children will inherit it.

Are they twins? It must be genetic if two brothers happen to have the exact same irregularity.

Jerrek 25-02-2004 14:59

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
How do you explain it if it isn't genetic then Jerrek? :D

Its called a mutation?

paulyoung666 25-02-2004 15:03

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there was something local to me recently where a bloke had kidneys piggybacked onto the 2 he had , so he had 4 , i will see if i can find the link :)

downquark1 25-02-2004 15:03

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Its called a mutation?

Well, if they are the brothers it must be genetic, it's highly unlikely that two people would have the exact same successful mutation.

paulyoung666 25-02-2004 15:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1
Well, if they are the brothers it must be genetic, it's highly unlikely that two people would have the exact same successful mutation.



i would go along with that :)

Xaccers 25-02-2004 15:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
Its called a mutation?

:rofl:

That would be a genetic mutation then wouldn't it? And as such, it can be inherited by his offspring.

downquark1 25-02-2004 15:15

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
:rofl:

That would be a genetic mutation then wouldn't it? And as such, it can be inherited by his offspring.

It depends in which cells and at what stage of development. If you hair cells mutate they have no way of telling your sperm to pass on the message.

Xaccers 25-02-2004 15:18

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Originally Posted by downquark1
It depends in which cells and at what stage of development.

It's not likely that the kidney cells mutated during development in the womb for both brothers.
More likely that the genes that produce the "make a kidney" protein are doubled up.

Genes don't really work in the "this gene makes a liver" way.
Take eye colour, I have the genes which when read produce a chemical which my iris reacts to and turns blue, but the genes aren't "blue eyes" genes, they're "chemical that turns eyes blue" genes, and in iris, the "react to chemical that turns iris blue" genes are active.

ZrByte 25-02-2004 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers
It's not likely that the kidney cells mutated during development in the womb for both brothers.
More likely that the genes that produce the "make a kidney" protein are doubled up.

Wich gives it about a 50% chance of it being inherrited by thier children (ish, I cant remember how you work it out, though I know the chances are increased considderably if both parents have the mutation)

Jerrek 25-02-2004 15:20

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That coming from an expert in the biology field.

I'm sorry, but until you prove that his offspring inherited that ability, it is a simple mutation which does not get passed along.

Xaccers 25-02-2004 15:23

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
That coming from an expert in the biology field.

I'm sorry, but until you prove that his offspring inherited that ability, it is a simple mutation which does not get passed along.

Perhaps you should have listened a bit more when your biology teacher was talking about evolution, even if you believe in creationism, you would have picked up the basics of genetics.

Mutations do get passed on to offspring.
The chance of it depends on whether the mutated genes are dominant or recessive, and if both parents have it.

Lets say you have two adults, both have a recessive gene for webbed hands.
Let N be the normal gene, W be the web gene.

Both parents are NW (normal dominant, web recesive)
Now the bloke will produce sperm with N or W genes, and the woman will produce ova with either N or W genes.
So the possible outcome is children with :

NN (perfectly normal, no chance of passing web hands on)
WW (totally webbed hands, can only pass the W gene on so has to be careful if reproducing with a WN or NW partner)
NW (normal but may have some web)
WN doesn't happen because W is a recessive gene

So they have 25% of kids with webed hands, 50% with normalish and carrying the W gene, and 25% with webbed hands

downquark1 25-02-2004 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerrek
That coming from an expert in the biology field.

I'm sorry, but until you prove that his offspring inherited that ability, it is a simple mutation which does not get passed along.

How do you account for his brother?

philip.j.fry 25-02-2004 16:03

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Even if the mutation occurred at some point after the feotus started to develop, so the persons sex cells did not contain the mutation (highly unlikely as his brother has the same mutation), the mutation would still have occurred at the genetic level. Mutations are the result of genetic changes, so whichever way you look at it it's still genetics.

kronas 25-02-2004 18:47

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Originally Posted by philip.j.fry
Even if the mutation occurred at some point after the feotus started to develop, so the persons sex cells did not contain the mutation (highly unlikely as his brother has the same mutation), the mutation would still have occurred at the genetic level. Mutations are the result of genetic changes, so whichever way you look at it it's still genetics.

the brothers are just brothers i think. as you have stated it is genetic, but i believe its inherited, because of they way it has happened, if they are NOT twins which i believe they arent.......

Theodoric 25-02-2004 18:51

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Originally Posted by Incognitas
<Snip>
I wonder how many times they have to spend a penny?
Incog.

Which makes you realise that they should never have got rid of the farthing. :)

Atomic22 25-02-2004 19:10

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how come these phenomenons never happen in uk?
only in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

danielf 25-02-2004 19:14

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Originally Posted by Atomic22
how come these phenomenons never happen in uk?
only in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Because the majority of the world population lives in 2nd/3rd world countries?

downquark1 26-02-2004 10:58

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Has anyone seen this story elsewhere? I've not come across it in other news sites - it's making me sceptical on the validity. :scratch:

Graham 26-02-2004 13:20

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Originally Posted by downquark1
Has anyone seen this story elsewhere? I've not come across it in other news sites - it's making me sceptical on the validity. :scratch:

Thing is, if you start searching on news stories, you often find that exactly the same story is being repeated by different organisations, ie they're just cutting and pasting the information from the original source, so it may be unlikely that you can find a different version to corroborate it.


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