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Kids can get away with what ever they want these days. When I was in junior school I spent some time at a private school that still used the cane in extreem cases. My grades were better and there was little to no bullying in that school.

Should it be brought back ?

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Absolutely. It is a great way to enforce discipline.

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But should it be used by Teachers or by the parents ?

In the school I was at the headmaster had to speak to the parents first !

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Adult beating defenseless child .. yes, what a great example that'll set. Stuart, do you have children? If so, would you consider caning them when they misbehaved? I don't know any parents that would.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/593949.stm
I am in two minds about it. I don't like it. If it is used it should only be used as a last resort, when all other methods of control have failed and then only for particularly bad actions or dangerous actions.

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Hmm...

Reads the INLA "punishment beatings" thread.

Reads this thread...

Compare and contrast...

(And before anyone says that Corporal Punishment doesn't involve physical damage, I'd point out it's a matter of *scale* and *attitude* not details)

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No.
It's just a form of legalised child abuse.

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But you cannot dismiss the differences in scale, they are vast.
Anyway, why are you speaking up against spanking? :D

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Cant really say it better than that to be honest!

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A private school eh? sounds posh.....you might find that there was no bullying as the kids were privaliged and knew it. Grades were better as the quality of teaching was better, probably no crowded classrooms there eh....no teacher being underpaid getting exasperated and using that DAMN cane to get some order...kids parents spending out cash for them to go to school you would get merry hell if they found out they were messing about!

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So whats your solution to the dicipline problem then?

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Also compare and contrast with the Police Brutality thread.
As adults we do not expect to be beaten up by a cop so we should certainly not expect our children (who have often yet to learn common sense etc) to be beaten up by their teachers. Trying to beat common sense and respect into children in schools has never worked and never will.

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Regardless of his solution, you can't just beat people into behaving themselves, couldn't help noticing how everyone was up in arms about coppers doing it in a different thread.

edit: beaten to it (no pun intended)

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yes , as long as it is properly done , then yes , i will go and get me nomex on :(

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The best solution to a problem is often never the first one you think of.
I know that some schoolkids act like animals sometimes but I don't think that cattle-prodding them through their education is going to work.

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I know many that would, and if I thought it was the right thing then I would as well, just the same as I would spank them.

Beating ? - nope, a smack across the hand with a cane is not beating - nor is it abuse - to suggest such a thing is an insult to children who really are beaten and/or abused.

Still - if you want to talk about legalised beating and abuse then perhaps you should discuss boxing. Two people legally beating the crap out of each other - bizzarre.

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As I said, I don't know any that would.

Deliberately inflicting pain on a child is beyond contempt, it's made no better by condoning the use of an object for the purpose.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with this thread whatsoever, both boxers are willing participants, unless of course you also know of children who are happy to receive a beating from an adult for money.

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The schools don't need the cane or whatever... they only need the full support of parents in disciplinary matters.

When I was at school, the cane was still in use. It wasn't the thought of the cane that acted as a deterrent - it was what would happen when my parents found out. :eek:

The most disruptive pupils are usually the ones whose parents march up to the school when their precious innocent little ones have been out of order, with the sole intention of undermining the teachers authority. :mad:

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Well that may be your opinion, but it is not shared by me. As far as I am concerned inflicting pain is a form of punishment, just like many others I use - and has been sucessfully used by millions of parents for thousands of years.

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Here's a few reasons why hitting children is wrong (stolen from another site I hasten to add).

1. Hitting children teaches them to become hitters themselves. Extensive research data is now available to support a direct correlation between corporal punishment in childhood and aggressive or violent behavior in the teenage and adult years. Virtually all of the most dangerous criminals were regularly threatened and punished in childhood. It is nature's plan that children learn attitudes and behaviors through observation and imitation of their parents' actions, for good or ill. Thus it is the responsibility of parents to set an example of empathy and wisdom.

2. In many cases of so-called "bad behavior", the child is simply responding in the only way he can, given his age and experience, to neglect of basic needs. Among these needs are: proper sleep and nutrition, treatment of hidden allergy, fresh air, exercise, and sufficient freedom to explore the world around him. But his greatest need is for his parents' undivided attention. In these busy times, few children receive sufficient time and attention from their parents, who are often too distracted by their own problems and worries to treat their children with patience and empathy. It is surely wrong and unfair to punish a child for responding in a natural way to having important needs neglected. For this reason, punishment is not only ineffective in the long run, it is also clearly unjust.

3. Punishment distracts the child from learning how to resolve conflict in an effective and humane way. As the educator John Holt wrote, "When we make a child afraid, we stop learning dead in its tracks." A punished child becomes preoccupied with feelings of anger and fantasies of revenge, and is thus deprived of the opportunity to learn more effective methods of solving the problem at hand. Thus, a punished child learns little about how to handle or prevent similar situations in the future.

4. †œSpare the rod and spoil the childââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�, though much quoted, is in fact a misinterpretation of Biblical teaching. While the †œrodâà ƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ� is mentioned many times in the Bible, it is only in the Book of Proverbs that this word is used in connection with parenting. The book of Proverbs is attributed to Solomon, an extremely cruel man whose harsh methods of discipline led his own son, Rehoboam, to become a tyrannical and oppressive dictator who only narrowly escaped being stoned to death for his cruelty. In the Bible there is no support for harsh discipline outside of Solomonââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s Proverbs. By contrast, the writings in the Gospels, the most important books in the Bible for Christians, contain the teachings of Jesus Christ, who urged mercy, forgiveness, humility, and non-violence. Jesus saw children as being close to God, and urged love, never punishment.3

5. Punishment interferes with the bond between parent and child, as it is not human nature to feel loving toward someone who hurts us. The true spirit of cooperation which every parent desires can arise only through a strong bond based on mutual feelings of love and respect. Punishment, even when it appears to work, can produce only superficially good behavior based on fear, which can only take place until the child is old enough to resist. In contrast, cooperation based on respect will last permanently, bringing many years of mutual happiness as the child and parent grow older.

6. Many parents never learned in their own childhood that there are positive ways of relating to children. When punishment does not accomplish the desired goals, and if the parent is unaware of alternative methods, punishment can escalate to more frequent and dangerous actions against the child.

7. Anger and frustration which cannot be safely expressed by a child become stored inside; angry teenagers do not fall from the sky. Anger that has been accumulating for many years can come as a shock to parents whose child now feels strong enough to express this rage. Punishment may appear to produce "good behavior" in the early years, but always at a high price, paid by parents and by society as a whole, as the child enters adolescence and early adulthood.

8. Spanking on the buttocks, an erogenous zone in childhood, can create in the child's mind an association between pain and sexual pleasure, and lead to difficulties in adulthood. "Spanking wanted" ads in alternative newspapers attest to the sad consequences of this confusion of pain and pleasure. If a child receives little parental attention except when being punished, this will further merge the concepts of pain and pleasure in the child's mind. A child in this situation will have little self-esteem, believing he deserves nothing better. For more on this topic, see "The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children" (also in French).

Even relatively moderate spanking can be physically dangerous. Blows to the lower end of the spinal column send shock waves along the length of the spine, and may injure the child. The prevalence of lower back pain among adults in our society may well have its origins in childhood punishment. Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking, and some have died after mild paddlings, due to undiagnosed medical complications.

9. Physical punishment gives the dangerous and unfair message that "might makes right", that it is permissible to hurt someone else, provided they are smaller and less powerful than you are. The child then concludes that it is permissible to mistreat younger or smaller children. When he becomes an adult, he can feel little compassion for those less fortunate than he is, and fears those who are more powerful. This will hinder the establishment of meaningful relationships so essential to an emotionally fulfilling life.

10. Because children learn through parental modeling, physical punishment gives the message that hitting is an appropriate way to express feelings and to solve problems. If a child does not observe a parent solving problems in a creative and humane way, it can be difficult for him to learn to do this himself. For this reason, unskilled parenting often continues into the next generation.

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And after all that time it still doesn't work.
Inflicting pain does more in terms of giving you instant satisfaction whilst you are angry than it does instructing/educating the child as how to behave properly next time. Its an admission that you've totally lost it because you have reacted without thought. I will bet that if you sat down and cooled off for 20mins or so then you probably would not feel like smacking the child.

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I was moved between loads of schools when I was younger as I had a big bullying problem. I had both legs broken, my arm broken, My jaw broken and I was kicked where you should not kick several times. I had to have an operation later on in my 20's to repair the damage......

This was the only school where the bullying stoped. Two children from my old school transfered with me and on the first day it started again. The headmaster pulled us all into the office and told us what would happen if the bullying started up again.

IT STOPPED......

I am not advicating beating children. There is the world of difference between a beating and a smack.

When our family first moved to Luton we lived in one of the mose crime ridden and violent areas. All the kids were stealing cars and doing lines of charlie...

My and my brother did not do this - Why - becouse my dad would have given us both a good hiding...

The cane was never used all the time I was at that school. The fact that it was there and could be used was enough of a deterent.

I dont have kids but when I do they will be brought up the way Lesleyann and I fell right for them. I would only smack my childeren in the most serios of cases.

I have some very good freinds that use smacking when it is needed. They have 4 children 4,8,13,15 years old. They are polite, well manered and would never steal anything.........

In my experience it does not hurt and I believe that the reason that kids behave as they do now is becouse there is no dicipline...

My 2p's worth !

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that is a shocking story mate :( , i think sometimes just the thought of what might happen is enough to stop anything happening

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So how do you explain kids that grow up to never get in trouble with the law, secure good jobs and settle down, don't do drugs and we're never hit by their parents when they misbehaved? I'll tell you how, it's called "good parenting" and anyone that feels the need to hit their own (or anyone elses) kids need to re-evaluate said skills.

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PRECISELY!!!!!!!

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Thanks m8 - It was not a very happy part of my life.... It destroyed my childhood totaly.

Unless you have been through it there is no way to describe it. This is why many children commit suicide !!! It grinds you down and makes you want to end it all.

Kids can be the most cruel creatures IMO...

These poxy schools that say " its part of growing up " need raising to the ground as far as I am concerned :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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I said dicipline - NOT smacking....... !!!!

Smacking is only one part of it and IMO is used as the very last option....

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But your idea of discipline as indicated by the thread title IS corporal punishment. Which is wrong ... plain and simple, it's a lazy, cowardly way out for any so called parent.

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I agree with you and Incog. The teachers need the full support of the parents....That sure did not happen at all the public schools I went to !

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Um, says who ? Works just fine here. It taught my children that if they badly misbehaved they would be punished. As a result they have learned good behavior from bad.

As for those of you who don't agree with it then fine - that's up to you - there is no need to be insulting because people disagree with you - if that is how it is going to progress in here then I'm outta here.

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If anyone lays so much as a finger on my daughter, I don't care if they're a teacher, Police Officer or whatever, they'll end up in a GREAT deal of trouble.

Physical discipline is for the parents/guardians only.

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And how would you feel if you did accidently cause some lasting damage, either physically or emotionally to one of your children?

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If my child hurt another child or set fire to someting - or did anything that risked other childrens life (or there own) then yes I would smack them..

There are many other methods of dicipline and I would only smack as a last resort.

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*LOL* That's very specific, are they the only two reasons? And who's to say that an arsonist child is going to give a stuff about getting a smack?

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You mean the pyhsical and emotional pain that a child that is bullied goes through... To the extent that they and there own life ?????

When they tell the teacher and there parents. The bullies parents say " he's only playing or its part of growing up "

Were you ever picked on at school ?

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Well - Was smacked by my parents when I was a child..... I am not mentaly or physicaly scared.....

I am a very happy adult with a full time job who loves his parents very much. I respect them for bringing me up in the best way they could !

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Irrelevant, I'm talking about a parent accidently harming their child through the use of corporal punishment, please try to keep my posts in context.

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Perhaps if they'd brought you up without corporal punishment and used other effective methods then who knows, you might have gone on to even greater things, bit late now .. you'll never know.

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We will have to agree to disagree then m8 :)

Edit : You did not answer my question - Were you bullied at school ?

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The day the cane was banned in school was the day discipline went out of the window.The amount of times the cane was actually used in the schools I attended was minute but discipline was good.

Now you can't even push a disruptive student out of a classroom without them threatening to get their particular adult up the school.The brightest and best student's education is being held hostage by these lazy and uncooperative louts.

If corporal punishment is not to be used then I think it is the parents who must face discipline if their children WON'T behave in class.A fine or two might work.Just like the ones when a parent doesn't stop their child truanting and are taken to court.

Incog.

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Agreed .. or is that 'dis'agreed? :D

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LOL - Just out of interest - What would you do if your children were found to be bullying other children. How would you handle it ?

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The cane/slipper and various other methods of corporal punishment were used in my school (around 18+ years ago), one particular student laughed at the headmaster after receiving a good caning, he went on to commit armed robbery 5 years after leaving school and did a good stretch inside. Another student decided it was better to kick the games teacher half to death just in case, the teachers used to go around in pairs for fear of getting knifed ... all this (and worse) in a school that used corporal punishment.

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Didn't post there. I think thats wrong.

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Difficult to say, there's an unlimited amount of other non-violent punishments you can inflict. Bullies cower when their victims stand up to them, not when their parents join in on the act.

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exactly , detterent , or however you spell it :D

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WRONG - Bullies get the other bullies to give you a good kicking in my experience !

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Certainly not in mine, a swift kick in the gonads to them did the trick. so it's not "WRONG" it's only wrong in your experience, you shouldn't assume that yours applies to everyone else.

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I agree - in my school if you stoof up to bullies they'd just go and more and bigger mates to gang up on you.

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I think it depends on the type of person the bully is, if you're getting bullied by a crowd of people then I'd have suggested you get your parents to visit the police, if it's one (and frequently they are nothing more than inadequate loners) then give back what they dish out.

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You would appear to be advocating bullying.I hope not.

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Thats what made me take up Karate (the lack of effective disipline in UK schools-I had to look after myself, the teachers were powerless). If caning had been in place I am sure I would not have been put through my misery :( .
I experienced almost no bullying in South Africa (they had caning), It started big time when I went to school here.

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wtf? How on EARTH did you come to that conclusion from me saying I gave a bully a kick in the nuts?

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:erm: I suppose you can never say never but I find that statement laughable.
If a child was going to get an injury to their spine or nervous system through spanking then they would have suffered that injury sooner or later through normal activities. The mere fact that your quoted site spouts such drivel puts the rest of it's statements in doubt.

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I second that

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Obviously you missed the part that say's

Unless you have a differing source then can I assume that your last post is only your personal conjecture?

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Hmmmmm....I wonder if thats because they used to get kicks and punches from their parents so a cane wasn't really a deterrent?

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Trouble is that it can cause more trouble.

I know this for a fact. It was me asking one of the bullies for a fight and beating him that led to both my legs being broken (getting thrown down a set of stairs by 20+ lads tends to do this)

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My conjecture as an expert on spinal matters...it is my job.

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My corporal punishment experience comes from 40 odd years ago.Yes one student tried beating up a staff member but all that got them was a visit from the police and an expulsion from school.the headmaster never ever really had to use the cane.The occasions he did it was done in public because his office was too small and because the school was built as a quadrangle we could all see discipline being administered.Have to say that I learned the lesson that the lout never did learn.
All my other experience comes from being in the frontline.I'm entering my 30th year as a teacher.I've never hit a student nor caned or slippered them.

However I've been pushed,shoved,punched from behind,trapped in cupboards,had doors locked on me,had my personal property stolen/damaged,had my car vandalised and my personal space is constantly violated.

This NEVER happened when I was a pupil 40 odd years ago.We would have NEVER DARED to do so.

Incog.

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I was never punished physically by my parent's, yet I have as much love and respect for them as anyone could have for their parents, I have a good job, a great house, a wunnerful g/f, no criminal record, I don't take drugs, I rarely drink to excess and I'm not in debt.

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Perhaps, or perhaps their parent's caned them at home ... there's nothing like accidently arguing for the opposition eh? ;)

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And obviously you treated the cases mentioned to prove differently ....

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Bifta....

What would you do if you had a child that kept stealing things ? Lets say that you had tried all the punishments that you could - groundin ect... But nothing at all worked...

What would you do then ?

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"can" cause more trouble, I agree with that at least, but thread isn't about bullying, you should probably start another one detailing the best way's people find of dealing with them from their own personal experience.

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Woah there....I didn't say that you aren't a fine upstanding member of your community and a wonderful human being :Peaceman:

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Stealing as in shoplifting? Presumably they're caught then (and on a regular basis) and there's a chance they'd be offered a place in Borstall (or similar) by the authorities .. I know that'd deter a multitude of kids from persuing crime.

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I very much doubt that was the case...but I like your argument :D

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So you would let your children be taken into a young ofenders institute ??

Thats not a deterent. Children need love, support and dicipline. Not locking up !

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They didn't mention any cases.....



gee....this is getting heated :D

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I'm not saying that you did, I just brought it up as others mentioned that they are in a similar position to me but had experienced corporal punishment, certainly in my case corporal punishment would have been completely unnecessary as the lack of it appeared to do the job just as well.

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If you thought you were going to be locked up in a young offenders institute would you even consider stealing again? I know sure as egg's are oval that I wouldn't. (btw, I'm not inferring that you're a tea leaf btw :D)

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I agree, I'm going to duck out before I offend anyone else.

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People are different. Some kids will naturaly obey their parents and teachers, others will need a system of rewards and punishments. As I said in my original post here, caning should only be used as a very last resort (before expulsion/borstal) and then only to punish dangerous behaviour or perhaps gross property damage.
I am not a member of the the 'flog em' brigade. It's just that you need a last resort otherwise you get the situation (that we have) where the pupil has been expelled from all schools that will take him and a life of uneducated, crime ridden, dole claiming is all that he can look foreward to.

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Great - :rolleyes:

The child gets locked up in a young ofenders institute. There he can learn how to be an even better criminal from the other kids........

Sorry m8 - It does not work - The child will come out of prison worse than he went in.

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Just think how much better it would be if they learned good from good instead.

I don't see how I am being even remotely insulting. I'm just telling it like it is. It must satisfy someone to smack their child in the sense that they believe they have done a grand job in discipline. If there was no satisfaction then you wouldn't do it. I would like to think that all you pro-smackers can understand that the ideal goal would be to make the time and effort to explore other forms of punishment or rather education which does not involve the reactionary infliction of pain or humiliation and does not perpetuate smacking for another few thousands years or so.

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I agree - I (and pem) have said that it is used as the very last resort !

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This is my last comment for the day on this, who say's they get locked up? Let's be honest, if they are repeatedly caught then that IS where they'll end up, the parent has no choice. You are merely speculating that smacking a child is going to prevent them from a life of crime and unless you have something substantial other than your own personal experience to back that up then you're proving nothing.

Anyhoo, dinner time, later! :)

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No - I am saying that there is no such thing as a bad child. Most of the children in these places have had paprents that could not care less about them.

I am saying that children need dicipline and love balanced in there life.

Have a nice dinner btw m8 :)

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Well the simple fact is that we will never all agree. But, having read all the posts in here I haven't come across one suggestion of an alternative punishment yet.

FYI, I also use groundings, loss of tv and pocket money fines, especially on the older two for who I would agree, spanking is not a very effective or useful punishment now (in fact, I don't think I have smacked either of them more than twice in the last few years, or the youngest for year or more now - shouting is usually is enough for her).

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Now shouting is something that I never do, I think it's bad to show a loss of control like that. But lets not even go there :D

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Some people like to show that they've really lost control by shouting and smacking at the same time, in the rythm of the argument, like you sometimes see in supermarkets and toy stores (although not very often thankfully).
i.e. "HOW <smack> MANY <smack> TIMES <smack> HAVE <smack> I <smack> TOLD <smack>YOU <smack> ......etc

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Now that is wrong.... Punishment of any form should be done in the home - not in public.

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Reminds me of Billy Connelly's description of when he got 'chastised' as a child.Only he could find humour in that. :)

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I remember Dave Allen's joke about the parent who found his son bullying a smaller child, so he took him to one side, clipped him across the head and said, "You do NOT hit people smaller than yourself!"

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Can't help thinking that if those parents happily smack their kids in public then how much worse it must be for them at home behind closed doors.

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yup...:mis:

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I work in school and have to agree that some form of deterrent is needed. Todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s children are more aggressive than ever. Many have behavior problems and a lot start school with no social skills unable to communicate with other pupils because they have been left sat in front of a TV most of the time without any parental involvement.

At my school we have a large amount of children that are disruptive in class this makes teaching very difficult especially with todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s methods of teaching where time is important and many subjects have no time to be revisited. I actual work with small groups that need additional help out of my two groups there are two children that misbehave. I have tried treats like extra free time, treats as in sweets and prizes for good work, my latest one is the collect over three days vouchers for 30 mins in the computer suit on a Monday morning while I am typing up my lesson plans instead of sitting on the floor in the hall in assembly. We have used treats to get good behavior but the children who are good feel this is not fait and they are correct. Parents donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really care most will send the child back into school the next day after we have sent them home ill. We have sent children home every day for a week as they was ill but the child was always back next day still ill. Some parents tell the children after an accident at home to tell us the next morning and we will sort them out. Some children would respond to the thought of being caned where the threat of being sent home fails. When it comes to the end these disruptive children are not learning anything so they will fail their exams and perhaps stay away from high school due to being unable to read and write properly. We cannot force them to learn under the present educational rules. I love my work but recently it has become harder to do and as the next batch is in infants you can see more of these children with behavior problems

Yes but parents are not the same if you have parents from the poorer areas these children have been street wise from 5 yrs old and swear like troupers already. All the parents want is a quiet life with the kids in school.
Yes we did run scared from parent s knowing
Or never come near when sent for and tell the children to ignore the teachers we have had this said to us.






Well said I was only ever hit once by my mother I vowed I would never again need her to hit me and she never had to..

Sorry for the long post but it was needed and I will not be reposting in this thread. Todays children are raised by the television and until someone makes the television into a robot to interact with children. These very children will be disruptive, hard to communicate and unable to follow rules.

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It also doesn't help that just about every other child appears to suffer from that recent phenomenen Attention Deficit Disorder and are on ritilin.It only takes ONE child with this disorder and the class is wrecked.

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So basically we are up sh*t street then? :(
Through lack of effective control they get expelled, repeatedly. Then the leave school without qualifications and are unemployable and go on the dole/get into crime, either way they are a burden to the state and society. Then we have to jail/rehabilitate them. My social worker and teacher patients all tell the same story :(

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Basically at the end of the day and by the same token it's technically a swings and roundabouts catch-22 situation.

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Both. My school allowed it (and still does), and if they did spank you they wrote to your parents a letter explaining the situation.

It only did me good. Nothing bad came from it. It teaches a lot of discipline in a short time. Kids these days are undisciplined and vicious. Apply some strong, military-style discipline with corporal punishment and things would change.

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Heaven forbid .. our children might end up like you.

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Everyone is entitled to there point of view...... Dont forget that !

Everyone has a valid point...

The fact remains that kids ARE getting worse... Something has to be done !

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:D :D :rofl: Same here. My dad once told my teacher at a teacher-parent meeting that if I give trouble (and believe you me, I did!), hit him harder. Lol.

I was never abused. All punishment I got was just deserved, and I learnt from it. Besides, there is something to be said for going to the washroom and comparing the "stripes" you got with the other guys. :D

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Mine aren't, my other relations kids aren't, none of my friends that don't hit their children have a problem, sounds like a load of media waffle to me.

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I completely agree with you pem. It is a highly successful form of punishment, because the child knew he is being punished for something he did wrong.

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Everyone has a valid point... - I think its down to each parent how they bring up there kids......

I respect your views and I am glad that your children are well behaved. Its a pitty that other parents dont case as much as you do..... The world would be a better place IMO.. :)

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Perhaps the other parent's, who's kids are out on the rampage, are not nurturing enough or are not attentive enough to their childs needs.

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Well that's ok then.Bifta's kids and his friends kids are not disruptive so the experiences the rest of us are going through are.....What?Not true.A lie?Poor perception?

Agreed the percentage of children that are disruptive are a very small part of the school population BUT as I have already said it only takes ONE child to totally disrupt a lesson.If you have two or three then the education of a class suffers proportionally.

Incog. :(