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Alanmelon 11-02-2004 15:57
Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Am just wondering if any of you guys could offer your advice on the cleanest way to remove drivers, prior to update.

Stuartbe 11-02-2004 16:00
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Am just wondering if any of you guys could offer your advice on the cleanest way to remove drivers, prior to update.
Hold down Ctrl during boot and select safe mode from the menu.

Remove any drivers from add/remove progs and the device manager.

HTH...

paulyoung666 11-02-2004 16:04
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Am just wondering if any of you guys could offer your advice on the cleanest way to remove drivers, prior to update.


what are you wanting to update , i only ask because i cant remember having to uninstall a driver to update it , apart from nvidia graphics drivers :)

Alanmelon 11-02-2004 16:09
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Well, its a long story, but I've recently upgraded my motherboard and RAM (from 256SD to 512DDR), put it all together, and it started up fine, except XP had a few device/driver issues and I had to scrabble around for various files and drivers. All is working now but performance seems to be worse than before, I suspected some dubious driver combinations and so wish to do a fresh install.

However, should you have any other ideas as to why things are a bit slow I would be happy to hear!

paulyoung666 11-02-2004 16:13
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Well, its a long story, but I've recently upgraded my motherboard and RAM (from 256SD to 512DDR), put it all together, and it started up fine, except XP had a few device/driver issues and I had to scrabble around for various files and drivers. All is working now but performance seems to be worse than before, I suspected some dubious driver combinations and so wish to do a fresh install.

However, should you have any other ideas as to why things are a bit slow I would be happy to hear!


you reinstalled windows didnt you , you didnt just bung your old hdd onto the new board did you :eek:

Stuartbe 11-02-2004 16:17
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
you reinstalled windows didnt you , you didnt just bung your old hdd onto the new board did you :eek:
:eek: - that what you need to do !

A fresh install is a must - removing everything in device manager in safe mode may work !

Alanmelon 11-02-2004 16:23
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
you reinstalled windows didnt you , you didnt just bung your old hdd onto the new board did you :eek:
Errrrrr :blush:

When we say fresh intstall, do we mean a reformat and install or just use one of the options when booting from the XP disc, because I really don't want to lose all of my (ahem, legitimate) software installs.

Ramrod 11-02-2004 16:30
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
what are you wanting to update , i only ask because i cant remember having to uninstall a driver to update it , apart from nvidia graphics drivers :)
I don't even do it for them....should I?

paulyoung666 11-02-2004 16:30
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Errrrrr :blush:

When we say fresh intstall, do we mean a reformat and install or just use one of the options when booting from the XP disc, because I really don't want to lose all of my (ahem, legitimate) software installs.


flatten it and start again , sorry :(

Shaun 11-02-2004 16:30
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by stuartbe
:eek: - that what you need to do !

A fresh install is a must - removing everything in device manager in safe mode may work !
We're getting a new machine with 1024MB Ram in it and I want to take 512MB out of it when it arrives and place it in mine, will I need to make any changes to the BIOS or anything, or can I just switch them over and expect it to work?

Alanmelon 11-02-2004 16:35
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Now that I've wiped my tear filled eyes I guess I'd better get on with it. Can you recommend a good partition size just for XP?

Stuart 11-02-2004 16:38
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
We're getting a new machine with 1024MB Ram in it and I want to take 512MB out of it when it arrives and place it in mine, will I need to make any changes to the BIOS or anything, or can I just switch them over and expect it to work?
It will work depending on the age of the older machine (basically if the RAM is DDR and the old Motherboard is expecting SDRAM. it won't worK).

Assuming the RAM is compatible with the old M/Board, the BIOS should pick it up..

Shaun 11-02-2004 19:36
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by scastle
It will work depending on the age of the older machine (basically if the RAM is DDR and the old Motherboard is expecting SDRAM. it won't worK).

Assuming the RAM is compatible with the old M/Board, the BIOS should pick it up..
The older machine is a Dell 4550 and the new one is a 4600, the old one was bought last year, I think its DDR, how can I check, will Sandra tell me?

Xaccers 11-02-2004 19:39
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Now that I've wiped my tear filled eyes I guess I'd better get on with it. Can you recommend a good partition size just for XP?

Use the whole disk
Partitioning is for dos or girlies who couldn't live if they had to reformat their drive and lose everything :D

Stuart 11-02-2004 19:53
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by dellwear
The older machine is a Dell 4550 and the new one is a 4600, the old one was bought last year, I think its DDR, how can I check, will Sandra tell me?
According to the Specs I found, the Dell 4550 has DDR Ram. You can check it in Sandra by going to the System Summary, then looking at the "Memory Bus Speed". If it displays "2x" before the speed measurement (ie my board displays "2 x 134MHz") then it is DDR Ram.

If that's the case with yours, the memory should work.

paulyoung666 11-02-2004 19:57
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
We're getting a new machine with 1024MB Ram in it and I want to take 512MB out of it when it arrives and place it in mine, will I need to make any changes to the BIOS or anything, or can I just switch them over and expect it to work?



dont forget you will most likely invalidate your warranty by doing this , why not go and buy a stick of ram for the older machine :)

Stuart 11-02-2004 20:21
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
dont forget you will most likely invalidate your warranty by doing this , why not go and buy a stick of ram for the older machine :)
Good point. No point invalidating the warranty when you can spend a few quid on RAM.

Shaun 11-02-2004 20:53
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scastle
Good point. No point invalidating the warranty when you can spend a few quid on RAM.
The reason I wanted to swap it over was because Dell are throwing in the extra stick of 512 for free (I've had some trouble with their Indian call centre :rolleyes: ) and it would be better off in mine.

To be fair Dell don't seal their cases and if stuff goes wrong they often ask you to post it to them for a replacement so I cant see it causing a real problem with the warranty, if something goes wrong (not that I'm expecting it to, my original Dell hasn't had a problem in its first year) then I can always stick it back.

edit - this is what sandra said :
Quote:
SiSoftware Sandra

System
Host Name : SHAUNS
User : Shaun
Domain : SHAUNS

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Speed : 2.79GHz
Performance Rating : PR3069 (estimated)
Type : Standard
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64 byte line size)

Mainboard
Bus(es) : X-Bus AGP PCI IMB USB i2c/SMBus
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
MP APIC : Yes
System BIOS : Dell Computer Corporation A08
Mainboard : Dell Computer Corp.
Total Memory : 511MB DDR-SDRAM

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82845G/GL/GV Brookdale Host-Hub Interface Bridge (A1-step)
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate)
Total Memory : 512MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 166MHz (332MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : Dell E151FPp
Adapter : NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
Imaging Device : Lexmark X74-X75

Physical Storage Devices
Removable Drive : Floppy disk drive
Hard Disk : IC35L120AVVA07-0
CD-ROM/DVD : HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8481B
CD-ROM/DVD : _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A
CD-ROM/DVD : Generic STEALTH DVD SCSI CdRom Device

paulyoung666 11-02-2004 21:09
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
they may not seal there cases but are you sure that they dont have a case switch that would show it would have been opened :(

Stuart 11-02-2004 21:15
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
SiSoftware Sandra

System
Host Name : SHAUNS
User : Shaun
Domain : SHAUNS

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Speed : 2.79GHz
Performance Rating : PR3069 (estimated)
Type : Standard
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64 byte line size)

Mainboard
Bus(es) : X-Bus AGP PCI IMB USB i2c/SMBus
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
MP APIC : Yes
System BIOS : Dell Computer Corporation A08
Mainboard : Dell Computer Corp.
Total Memory : 511MB DDR-SDRAM

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82845G/GL/GV Brookdale Host-Hub Interface Bridge (A1-step)
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate)
Total Memory : 512MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 166MHz (332MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : Dell E151FPp
Adapter : NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
Imaging Device : Lexmark X74-X75

Physical Storage Devices
Removable Drive : Floppy disk drive
Hard Disk : IC35L120AVVA07-0
CD-ROM/DVD : HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8481B
CD-ROM/DVD : _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A
CD-ROM/DVD : Generic STEALTH DVD SCSI CdRom Device
Definately DDR. Have highlighted where it says so.

Bifta 11-02-2004 21:22
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
You do not need to reformat and reinstall your operating system unless it refuses to boot, even then there are still way's round it. So long as the drivers are removed correctly then you shouldn't have any problems.

Shaun 11-02-2004 21:25
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scastle
Definately DDR. Have highlighted where it says so.
Cheers mate :)

Shaun 11-02-2004 21:26
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulyoung666
they may not seal there cases but are you sure that they dont have a case switch that would show it would have been opened :(
Possibly, I'll have a look in mine and see if they have, cheers for the heads up :)

Alanmelon 11-02-2004 22:47
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
There we go. 6 hours later, XP plus all updates installed, and all is running very nicely. Just have to install my apps again now :mis:

paulyoung666 12-02-2004 08:51
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
There we go. 6 hours later, XP plus all updates installed, and all is running very nicely. Just have to install my apps again now :mis:



good stuff :)

Stuartbe 12-02-2004 08:52
Re: Cleanest removal of drivers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
There we go. 6 hours later, XP plus all updates installed, and all is running very nicely. Just have to install my apps again now :mis:
:eek: 6 hours - I hope you did not run windows update on a dial up :D

Make sure you defrag the drives after installing all your software m8


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