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a 64 year old pensioner from kinross in scotland is to stand trial, on a racial abuse charge.

she has been alleged to have said:

"go back to your third world country"

"do you understand english ? "

while pushing her trolley, in to the victims, which was carrying a 2 year old child.

source: ic perthshire

http://icperthshire.icnetwork.co.uk/...name_page.html

a totally disgraceful act, she should have known better. :rolleyes:

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just another part of NuLabours run away asylum system.
by not keeping it under control non white british citizens are being tarred by the same brush.

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anti-social behaviour really gets under my skin ... i'd have her for assualting a minor too !

as for 'white british' people's tarring habits, they are no different from anyone elses, and typically has nothing to do directly with race.

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Hang on.....a SCOTTISH person asking if SOMEONE ELSE if they understand English??? :D

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Catherine Davies (64), of Balado Crossroads, will stand trial on June 8.

An intermediate diet will take place on May 27.

She is alleged to have acted in a racially aggravated manner which caused or was intended to cause alarm and distress to Maria Watts at Safeway, Station Road, on October 14.

diet?????? :shrug:

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Law talk for a first meeting!

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Hey!!!!! watch it Russ!!!! That sounds a wee bit Rascist!!!

Bigboab (6'5") Fare Glesca (That's Glasgow to you guys who don't understand. lol)

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She should possibly be done for assault, nothing else.

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It's not racist at all to say that many people have problems understanding scottish accents, especially Glasgow dialects!

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Dont we all know about Grandma Kamikaze when out shopping

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This woman should be given a talking to, anything else will just aggravat the whole situation. At the end of the day what was the "victim" doing going to the bloody police because an old lady bumped her with a shopping tolley and made a daft comment. If this was to cause her anguish and fear for her safety god help her if C18 had a go.

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I do not wish to drag this thread into a debate about the pros and cons of the asylum policy, but I think you'll find that sadly this attitude has been common enough for quite some time.

Even if the asylum policy has made the problem worse, is it not somewhat flippant to simply dismiss an issue of racism as being a by-product of an asylum policy? Is it not more than likely that the racist attitudes were there in the first place, and the asylum policy just gives them a "convenient" excuse to express them openly?

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Also, where does asylum come into this, I didn't see any mention of the victim being an asylum seeker in the article. Is it not also possible that the womans family could have been living in Scotland for generations?

Well said!

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People should be allowed the right to express their opinions publicly - thats free speech.

I fully understand Mrs Davies feelings. I feel the same in that I dont like people living in any country other than their ancestral homeland. I understand the reason why people want to be in britain but my answer to that is that we should be workig towards a world where everyone can enjoy the same prosperity, peace and security where there are no refugees fleeing from persecution, people suffering famines etc etc

I don't condone Mrs Davies actions in verbally abusing this woman or any physical action she took against her that is wrong. I can understand why Mrs Davies took the action she took because nobody listens to those who want britain for the british people.

My reply to those of you who label my comments racist is the same words of the Sunday Express Editor. "The word 'racism' is bandied about like a political hand-grenade to silence debate."

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Well said :tu:

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I'd say that older people have more engrained racist views than the young. Anyway... onto the topic.

The thing is, there is a difference between hating people from the third world because there is a perception that they are coming to this country and taking our jobs, houses and money and hating them because of their race. I'd say its likely this lady hates them because of the former. But thats for the courts to decide. I do think 'racist' is used far too often these days and it only serves to hurt the people who suffer genuine racism.

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The surgery I used to work for had a very high Asian patient list, usually the only problem was the language barrier which could be overcome with sign language and patience !! One morning an Asian chap kept coming to the counter every couple of minutes wanting to know why the doctor was taking so long, when was it his turn? I advised him that the doctor would call when he was ready and that there was always a wait for this GP. He then literally stormed out saying he would ring for a home visit. About 10 minutes later a woman rang asking for a visit. We always asked who the visit was for and a brief idea why. The caller then launched into a volley of abuse, called my friend who had answered a "fecking white biatch" how she was going to beat the sh*t out of her etc etc and said she was this chaps niece. A decision was taken by the GP's to remove this family from the list. Lo and behold a couple of weeks later the surgery receive a letter from the GMC saying that we were being accused of racial harrassment and racial abuse !!! I had to make a statement, solicitors were involved and then to top it all the family said they would drop the case if we would let them back on the surgery list !!

Racism can definately work both ways but it would seem from experience that abuse to "white" people isn't taken seriously. It would seem to me that the whole issue has gotten totally out of hand. Would there have been so much outrage if an Arab reporter had ****ged the British people off in an Arab newspaper, I think perhaps not.

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First off, I don`t see you as having made a racist statement here as you are not attacking any group on the basis of race. Just making sure we don`t get any confusion here as to where my question is coming from. :)

But I personally don`t understand why you have an objection to people living in a country other than their country of birth? Can you explain a bit more your philosophy behind that statement? Ta.

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How many UK residents can say that the UK is their ancestral homeland? If you go back far enough you will probably find that most are descended from people who were born elsewhere. The same goes for most countries, particularly the developed countries. If you were to trace your family tree back and found that you were a descendant of a Viking family would you give up your British citizenship and leave the country?

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Well I have been having a debate with my father about the same question that you have asked.

I just want to live with my country men, fellow english and welsh and scottish people. I dont believe that cultures can intermingle succesfully.

i believe there will always be clashes and problems. Take for example the crazy situation in london of that muslim cleric who has been stopped from preaching in his church against us and uk's stance against terrorism and terrorist states. this is a man who has come into the country on by our poor aslyum system. now he preaches in street and the police have to watch him. i believe if people are immigrated they should support the country they are wanting to live in not fight against it. their should be loyalty

i want to live with my countrysmen because they have the same culture and language as me. they are loyal to britain. i think its crazy when we hear on the news of richard reed, a british man planting a shoe bomb. he's not british. no english, welsh, scottish man would do such a thing. i dont think intergration works because you cant make people change their loyalty to britain.

i want to marry an english, welsh, scottish girl who speaks my language. i want english, welsh, scottish children.

i have nothing against any foreigners. i hope they can enjoy the same things i love in their countries such as democracy and freedom.

i know that u will say something like...what abt americans living in britain. i have less objection to an american living in britian. this is not racist. going back to my argument abt culture,loyalty and language. the americans speak english, there are so many similarities in our culture. we are both christian nations. many great english men have made america what it is today in its thinking and politics. the americans send people to our univercities and we send people to theirs. we easily intermingle and marry.

yes foreigners can live here. i would have least objection if the following could be said of them. they are law abiding citizens who pledge allegiance to great britain. they all learn to speak english and never speak another language again. this is not being unfair as i would say if i went to france and wanted to live their i should learn french and never speak english again. the same goes for all countries when u want to become a citzen of that country.

foreigners can contribute to our economy, education system, health system etc. i acknoweldge these things. providing they adapt to our culture, language and are loyal to our country i have less objection to these people.

i love my countrymen. that doesnt mean i hate other nationalities but i have loyalty to britain. you are all my flesh and blood. i would fight with u to protect what we love about our country.

i love the british culture. its what i am. its what my ancestors have been. i dont want foreigners to change britain. i am proud of our history as a nation. there are somethings of course that i am not proud of like for example the slave trade and many other things but i hope you understand my point. i leave you to think of examples of things you love about your country britain.

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Hey stamp92, what do you think of the British Royal family? Think about it!

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The problem these days is as soon as you appear to love Britain, the trouble-makers out there automatically take this to mean you hate other nations.

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Personally I think anyone should be allowed to move and live in Britain. I don't really care what colour, race, religion peopl are that live here but I'd want people to move here to have to fulfil certain criteria. If people want to move to Britain to live and work, they should be forced to learn English and I'd also like to see people become British Citizens.

I think one of the major problems with people immigrating to any country is integration. If those moving to Britain could speak English it would help everyone to integrate. Just as I dislike the way the English (scots probably do it too) move abroad and create little England I dislike the way people move to Britain and create their own little community within a city. We should all be living together, mixed and integrated, perhaps then we wouldn't have as many them and us scenarios.

So.... let people move to Britain if.. they learn English, they are a benefit to the country and will integrate with the British and respect the British culture rather than expect Brits to accomodate them. If I moved to France, I'd learn French and abide by their culture, I wouldn't expect everyone to go out of their way to accomodate me and it should be the same here.

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So what about Black scottish/english/welsh people?

Sometimes I think that people think that everyone they see that is non white is a "foreigner"

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I agree with you.......and that is in fact the system in place for immigration!

The problem is that too many people think that asylum seekers are immigrating here (although lets not start that old argument again)

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See, I have a problem with statements like this as it looks at the issues in far to simplistic a manner. It's so simple to lump all problems of this nature as being issues of the asylum system. From the description you have given I`m assuming that you are talking about Abu Hamza. He did *not* come to this country as an asylum speaker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2668343.stm

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Everyone has there own opinion and sometimes the reason for one's opinion is personal as opposed to factual. For example someone who has had a car accident might be more passionate about the dangers of driving than someone who hasnt had an accident.

I am writing to persuade and some people might be persuaded by my reasoning but some people cannot be swayed.

My reply to you is that yes some of us come from celts and some from saxons and normans and vikings but for many hundreds of years we have lived together on this island as the british nation. It has taken years of adjustment and change, at times even civil war to get us to get on together but though we (british) come from different sources (vikings, celts, saxons and normans etc) there are closer ties in our ancestory roots than between our ancestory roots and other nations.

I think what you are trying to imply is that the Royal Family has brought shame on the british people. My answer to that is that is that the Royal family are people just like us. I don't expect them to be immune from corruption and immorality. Some members of the Royal family will be more moraly upright than others just as some people in our society will be more moraly upright than others.

I am not sure whether you might also be implying that the royal family has roots in other countries like germany etc. This was many years ago. And even if the royal family is made of up of very mixed up blood so what. That doesnt make the british people mixed up blood. So what if we are mixed up blood we have lived together for centuries and interbreeded with each other and not foreign countries.

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Why doesn't it say, condemed by Muslims cos he's fecking wrong and a racist. I hate that word extreme. Its like saying, yeah he's right, but he's abit too vociferous about it.

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Yes I was talking about Abu Hamza. I notice he didnt come in through asylum but I wasn't intending to focus on the asylum system. It matters the same however they come to our country. Abu Hamza I see came here because he married a british woman.

i am not just criticising the asylum system. i am also criticising the rule where you can immigrate to a country through marriage. i am criticising any way in which foreigners enter the country.

I dont propose any solution to the problem or pretend I have all the answers. I just hope, as I trust do others, that things improve with the asylum system and other immigration systems.

In the case of this Abu Hamza we could not have guessed that he was going to be such a wicked man, he justified the 9/11 attacks. i dont suggest any way to solve the problem of how do u know if an immigrant will turn against his country.

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Can you clarify who you quoting please.

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Not so many years ago if you think about it. The Duke of Edinburgh was born a Greek and his great grandfather was Danish.

I am British and proud of it and have a lot of coloured friends who are also British and proud of it. There are a hell of a lot of UK residents whose parents or grandparents were from other countries but you cannot tell that from looking at them as they are white and speak English. When I lived in West Yorkshire I had a very good friend who was a dentist in Heckmondwike (home of Kronas). I was once in his surgery after hours and heard two people talking in the next room. One of them had a very strong Glaswegian accent, the other a very broad Yorkshire accent. When I entered that room what do you think I saw? Two very black men, one being the dentists Uncle, the other was Charlie Williams (black comedian from Barnsley) father. They were both British.

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Quoting from this article on the BBC website.

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Very Well Said.

I agree about learning English or whatever language is used in the country you want to immigrate to. i agree that when we english etc move abroad we make our own little communities but that is just why i believe immigration doesnt work. we see in our own actions how we cannot mix with other cultures. please understand me i am not applying this to everyone but what i feel is the majority. i agree about learning french if moving to france etc.

i think what you are asking me is do i apply the term foreigner to only black. are my views directed towards black people.

the answer to those questions is no. colour of skin has nothing to do with it. being a foreigner means living in a country that isnt your ancestory home land. for example a german living in france or a dutch living in england.

something your comments have got me thinking about is why i have less objection to dutch and french and german etc. well i would say its because those countries are somewhat similar to ours in that they are democratic and civilised. the countries i really dont like receiving immigrants and asylum seekers from are non democratic countries and uncivilised countries because they do crazy things. take for example that man in the muslim father whose daughter was dating an asylum seeker. he tried to break of the relationship but when his attempts failed he pretended to support the relationship, he got the asylum seeker job in his factory and then he hung him or something in the factory. the point im making is yes british people have evil tendencies but we are more civilised than other nations. there is a danger in immigration that u bring people who are uncivilised from uncivilised nations and they bring our country down.

indeed.

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what worries me is if
you even say 'British'
or display a union jack

it is immediately pounced on as being 'racist'
in some quarters

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I think the reason the Union Jack causes so much debate is the fact that is it viewed by many as an imposed "Union".
Many Welsh, Scots and certainly a large proportion of Irish people living in Northern Ireland do not wish to be a part of this union. I think the mistake that many union flag flyers make is that they think it is an English flag. Of course the St George flag is the flag of England. The Union flag is a flag of the British "union"

I find it amusing that many people who fly the Union flag and are ultra defensive in defending the imposed "union" are often the most vocal about NOT joining a European union. :naughty:

Anyway i agree with earlier comments that this situation has gone too far. Of course the Old lady is bang out of order like, but did this really need the police to intervene?
I dont think so. IMHO it will only serve to increase tension and feed the right wing element who will twist it round.
An apology and forcing the two people to sit down for a cup of tea would have been a better answer. :wavey:

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I refer you all to my signiture

Incog. :)

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Russ it was a joke (notice the lol). Sometimes things can be taken the wrong way and folks just... oh well you know what I mean.....

bigboab

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Not that long ago a school caretaker white, british killed two young girls in this country.....a man walked into a school with a shotgun and started killing kids ,white british. A doctor killed over 200 patients.....white british!!

Like nothing crazy happens in this ole country eh?

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I wish it were that simple!

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OK. In theory that is true. She also pushed her trolley into the other women. That is assault.

Sadly, there are very few people in this country who are from their ancestral homeland. Nost families have people from another country in their line of descent.

I do agree that we should be working towards a world with no persecution though.
While I do agree that we should have tighter immigration rules, I think that this woman has set this cause back by attacking somebody who may actually have been born in this country (and therefore be legally British). Assuming somebody comes from a country because they look like they do can be wrong.

The word "racism" is used too easily. What the elderly woman said was racist, but I haven't seen anything in this thread I would consider racist.

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I don't think what she said was racist though. Its not racist to hate people because you think (however untrue it might be) they are coming to your country and taking jobs, houses and money without having contributed for the last 50 years. Its racist to hate them because of their race.

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I have said this before, although probably not here...
I have absolutely no problem with racial minorities fighting for equality. What I do have a problem with is those minorities expecting additional payback in lieu of all the years of inequality due to the ignorance of previous generations (and using religion as an excuse). Pretty much the same applies with equality between the sexes.
To you minorities, you should expect equality and no more.

Just my 2p worth.

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But then you have got to admit, all the evidance kinda points towards that though!

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No mate because there is a difference between hating someone because you think they are getting something you aren't, ie money, housing, jobs, nhs treatment cos they are coming from another country (the view that alot of people have because of the media) and actually hating someone and abusing them because of their race.

I'm not in any way condoning what she did, she was well out of order thinking she can abuse someone but I think we too quickly jump to the conclusion of racism.

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i definately agree with that and i think sadly that is a distinction which isnt recognised by many people. i often get misinterepreted as racist when i express my views.

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So what was she going on about?
She wouldnt have said the things she said if she had not been black!

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Not sure where the person was from or what colour they were from the article but yeah I assume she was probably black or asian. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that the media have painted this picture of assylum seekers coming to this country and getting put up in hotels, free houses, free money, better benefits than old age pensioners for example.

Its this impression created of assylum seekers/immigrants that I think causes some of these attacks, whether it be verbal or physical. Yes she verbally attacked her because she was black but that could mean assylum seeker, getting loads of money and freebies, not because she was just black and she didn't like black people.

Of course I could be wrong, perhaps she just doesn't like black people and wants them all to 'go back home' but what I was trying to get at is people are too quick to say racist these days. There are unracist reasons why people can hate people like this, but mostly these are created by the redtop newspapers cos its good copy. On a side note, with all the talk about RKS, I'd honestly say the redtops have more of a hand in inciting racial hatred than RKS did.

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I think when you say foreigners should never emigrate to other countries you leave yourself open to being called a racist. Thing is... its an accident of birth where we end up. If people decide they feel better suited to living somewhere else and can offer that country expertise or something which is needed they should be welcomed. Provided they integrate into that countrys culture and don't go there expecting the country and those who live their to go out of their way to accomodate them.

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I agree entirely.
Its when they claim assylum here and the minority have the cheek to moan that they dont like it because they dont have this and they dont have that. This taints peoples attitudes, we all know you shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush but it happens. Its impossible to stop people disliking people from other countries its happened for centuries and it isnt going to stop now because someone has hurt feelings and the odd bruise from a brush with a shopping trolley (incidently I get bruised by grannies with trollies every week but I dont claim assualt etc.)

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are you declaring you have a racial 'bias' towards women, the above is a stupidly narrowminded comment


so what if the culture is similar to the americans, you cant expect someone to give up there culture, just because its diffarent, you fail to understand them.

i agree they should learn english, but i cannot fathom why they should give up there primary language from the country they were born in, im sure if you were told to give up english you wouldnt be happy, so dont force that issue on to others.
.
i commend your patriotism, but you are showing your ignorance, cultural diversity is a positive not just for people in general but for economical reasons as well.

you cannot force someone to eradicate there culture just because it suits you, if it wasent for asians many meals from takeaways would not have reached here not to mention the economicalside of it....

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People could get a nice greasy ox roast on the way home from the pub :D

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Hi there Guys,

Up until very recently, I lived in a tower block that was being used to house Asylum seekers. Not long before I left (and I left cos the council decided to rehouse me and not for any other reason!) scots were definately in a minority in the block. When I entered the lift, often I would be the only scot in it. There were folks from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan and so on. Now then, I have nothing against the asylum seekers or their various races, I spoke to many and had dinner with a lovely lady from Sudan, who made myself and my American wife a delightful meal. It was difficult to understand her, but we managed. It was very interesting to hear her side of the story.

It is common practise for the refugees to cut up their passports upon arrival, therefore making them stateless. Stateless people cannot be deported back to their homeland as they have none, it therefore muddies the water and prolongs their stay in this country, while the authorities investigate. Everything is paid for them, and i mean everything!!! They are not allowed to work for payement, but they must help in a place of work for free!!! They take language classes.

When I lived there, it was and still is a very deprived area. It was before the refugees arrived and it will be long after the refugees leave. The local people were understandably upset that the refugees got their houses fully refurbished and furnished before they arrived, when they were in damp ridden accomodation, But up until then these same houses were left unlet despite a housing shortage in the area. They also get all of their bills paid.

On the other hand, many of these people were/are highly educated people. Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc etc..... Just because they can't speak English doesn't make them idiots. To me it would seem prudent to use these people. Put them to work, for the going rate. Why not???

It is funny what people think of the UK. The refugees think of this as some kind of Shangri La, a place of opportunity and so on. As for my American wife, and most of her American friends in the UK. It is NO Shangri La, the opposite in fact. If it wasn't for me, (And for the other guys partners) she would not have stayed more than a month!!!! While we complain about the weather, jobs security money etc etc etc. And so it goes on.

In closing this, I can understand why the lady from Perth was upset, what triggered it I do not know, BUT, I do not condone it!!! never. It is not right. There is no right/wrong way to deal with the asylum situation, it is happening and it will continue to happen for the forseeable future, it Doesn't matter what the authorities do, someone will disagree.

I await the flack!!!!

Bigboab5

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I should hope not, that was damn well said!

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I agree, well said

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Good point Debsy

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I understand what you are saying and agree with you. I think that what stamp 92 and a lot of people that I speak to (and I speak to a lot) are concerned about is a lack of integration on the part of immigrants/asylum seekers. When my parents came here in the 50's they took great pains to integrate (whilst also maintaining their own cultural roots). That integration seems to be absent in many cases these days. This is possibly because the cultures that are arriving here are so alien to our own that it will take generations to integrate properly, if it happens at all.


The old lady in the news article was completely out of order doing/saying what she did. There are many older people here that have extremely racist views. In my experience, the older the person, the more racist they are.
One of my receptionists is a Muslim and looks indian (she is from Madagascar)
She and her daughter have both been victims of racism here in the UK merely because of their colour (the worst abuse was from an elderly neighbor-the police had to intervene). This is in spite of the fact that my receptionist speaks with as 'posh' an accent as I do (and her vocab is probably better, since she has a BA in French and art) and her daughter was the brightest pupil in all of Kent at A level!

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That is picking hairs. Generally, it can be assumed that people from different countries are from a different race, so, telling somebody to go back to their own country can be construed as a racist comment.

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you just showed your ignorance again, ofcourse there are murders in this country, there are hitmen hired to kill people, in the USA there are schoolshootings and plenty of other crimes, you think western countries including britain are perfect, i suggest you take a look at my 'general rant' thread

btw great thread thanks to all participants :)

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Its not splitting hairs at all mate. There is a distinction. What you've said is exactly the problem, regardless of someones reasoning (however wrong it may be) for hating someone from a foreign country it gets put down as racism. Its not racist to hate assylum seekers because you believe them to be getting preferential treatment.

That is not my view before anyone has a go at me, but I do think its important to make the disctinction between what racist and what isn't.

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A great thread ?

Seems littered to me with the usual generalisations about immigration and Assylum.

Why is Assylum the Great British obsession ?
I find it dissapointing that people havent got something more constructive things to do with their time.
People from another counrty sponging off our "wonderfull system" are no different from the people who have lived here for generations and sponged off the state. Many people wrongly associate any problems we have in this counrty with immigrants.
Remember not all assylum seekers are evil fiddling people.

Im even more dissapointed that this has descended into an assylum rant when there is no indication of this woman being an assylum seeker. People who think the old lady was right are just as ignorant as the old lady for her outburst. Im white and i dont get labled. Yet most of my family came to England years back to make a different life for themselves. No one has the right to claim this land as their own. No one.

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errrr....yes they do.
Would you tell an American that he dosn't have a right to claim America as his land, or a Frenchman? So why not a British person?

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Would someone make the same accusation against a native american ? Nope. One way street.

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It's late. Are you agreeing with me or not, 'cos I'm confused about your reply... :D

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Nobody has said she was right. Some of us have just tried to argue the point that its not automatically racist to want a foreigner to go back to their own country. There can be other non racist reasons and one of those is the public opinion perpetuated by the redtops that assylum seekers get preferential treatment and are a reason for all the ills of the country.

Some people seem unable to make the distinction though and whenever anything is said against a black person or an asian person its racist. I just think it does those people who genuinely suffer from racism a disservice as it dilutes an important issue.

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Yeah I was agreeing, thought it would copy the other fellas quote aswell :)

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I think that is a twist of my point. Of course any man has the right to claim his right to live in his counrty, of course. But i dont believe that anyman has the right to deny others based on the colour of their skin or where the third generation back came from. Little Englander mentailty is rife.

Its not about what you want for yourself , its about what you want for others.

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Nice post!

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Why do you think I haven't joined it before now?

And the only reason I have now is to point out that....

Is just another of the "usual generalisations" about people who claim benefits they are entitled to. But that's another discussion.

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most humans are territorial ... value judgements of 'right/wrong' are irrelevant.

if british people decide that they do not want to have over 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 immigrants a year, that is ENTIRELY upto the british people.

multi-culturalism has to have a limitation placed on it otherwise we'll end up with a divided society, not a diverse one.

this idea that the uk must be a microcosm of the world makes my skin crawl, it's possibly one of the most unconsidered, overly ideological, politically correct madhouse asylum nuthouse lunatic idea's i've ever heard !

'political correctness' is is nothing less than backdoor fascism and should be treated as such. with contempt.

i believe that racism, xenophobia etc etc are 'symptoms' of something other than just ignorance ... i'm far more interested in trying to discover what is causing it other than just dismissing it as 'bad' and moving on. that won't help anyone.

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Sorry Graham but thats just another example of the mentality i am so often faced with on message boards. Say something and then have it twisted. I wasnt generalising i was simply stating that if somone is ripping a system off then what has the colour of their skin got to do with it ?

Im not suggesting that everyone who claims benefits is ripping the system off as i didnt suggest that all assylum seekers are spongers. I cant see how you interpreted it that way.......

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[QUOTE=xaq141175]most humans are territorial ... value judgements of 'right/wrong' are irrelevant.

Funny, I don`t remember this being put to a vote, can you show me when the British people decided this, and I don`t mean when they were told what to think by the tabloids.

Strange, because I would suspect that a lot of racism and xenophobia is due to the reasons you mentioned, and they certainly look to me like comments argued from a position of ignorance.

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I see what you mean, I agree.

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If it was put to the vote I think the government would have a shock and UK would suddenly have an immigration policy like that of Australia. In other words, bl**dy difficult to get in.

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If this happens "so often", perhaps there's a conclusion that you should draw from this?

This is the sort of "mentality" I've often seen on message boards. Someone generalises, using a "big brush" (whether deliberately or accidentally) and then "can't see" why others take exception to it.

The fact that your comments can be interpreted (not "twisted") in this way, suggests that you are making excessively broad remarks.

However this is off topic for this thread, so I hope to leave it here.

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I dont believe i was generalising. I was posting a message that was somewhat tongue in cheek. If you re-read my post it doesnt generalise at all.

My point was and still is ....whtas the difference between somone living in this counrty who sponges off the state and somone who is intending to gain access to milk the system. I would say non.
That isnt to say that everyone who claims benefit is sponging. By sponging i mean people who are less than honest or people who dont want to work and make an honest way. I would hate anyone to think i was generalising.

Sorry for the confusion.

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did i say there had been a vote ? ... what the british people want is usually determined by the representative legislative system we have. our political system does not operate by referendum, and never has. obvioulsy considering the governemtns recent 'crack down' on immigration, the government has decided that the people want less of it.



if racism was due to ignorance and xenophobia, then informing the racists about the object of thier fear should stop it shouldn't it ? ... obviously there is something else at play that isn't being addressed.