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kronas 17-01-2004 02:20

12 year old convicted of rape
 
the then, 11 year old kyle abdo has been convicted of raping a nine year old girl, while playing hide and seek.

DNA evidence has proven the boy now aged 12, was indeed the offender.

he has been sentenced to 30 months detention.

source: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...de/3404513.stm

and people dont believe me, when i say society is going down hill. :rolleyes:

ZrByte 17-01-2004 02:23

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Originally Posted by kronas
and people dont believe me, when i say society is going down hill. :rolleyes:

I think people dont believe you because it was never Up Hill to begin with,it was just never heard about.
Though I do think this is terrible, how did the thought even enter his head :( :shrug: :(

kronas 17-01-2004 02:25

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Originally Posted by ZrByte
I think people dont believe you because it was never Up Hill to begin with, you just didnt hear about it.

maybe, but people we alot nicer to each other about 7 years ago(possibly more) trust me on that, personal experiance.

steady decline..........


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Originally Posted by ZrByte
Though I do think this is terrible, how did the thought even enter his head :( :shrug: :(

i dont know either :shrug:

carlingman 17-01-2004 02:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
the then, 11 year old kyle abdo has been convicted of raping a nine year old girl, while playing hide and seek.

DNA evidence has proven the boy now aged 12, was indeed the offender.

he has been sentenced to 30 months detention.

source: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...de/3404513.stm

and people dont believe me, when i say society is going down hill. :rolleyes:

No offense meant here :D

But instead of creating a new thread at this time, would it not be possible for you to just post a thread with news and then post the relevant links to each topic.

I could sit here all night and post links and create new threads every time a news item broke out.

Just a thought.

:D

kronas 17-01-2004 02:30

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Originally Posted by carlingman
No offense meant here :D

But instead of creating a new thread at this time, would it not be possible for you to just post a thread with news and then post the relevant links to each topic.

I could sit here all night and post links and create new threads every time a news item broke out.

Just a thought.

:D


NO, and i dont see any discussion about a rape anywhere :rolleyes:

swoop101 17-01-2004 06:15

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Just a thought,

Could we not give Kronas his own section, something like 'The Kronie News Network'

Just a thought :D :D

kronas 17-01-2004 17:37

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Originally Posted by swoop101
Just a thought,

Could we not give Kronas his own section, something like 'The Kronie News Network'

Just a thought :D :D

no that would be bias, it would not be feasable aswell, it would take the scope off the 'items' i post. :rolleyes:

Bex 17-01-2004 17:41

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Originally Posted by ZrByte
Though I do think this is terrible, how did the thought even enter his head :( :shrug: :(

kids are learning more and more about sex at earlier and earlier ages.....who knows he may have been subject to sexual abuse.... :( doesnt take away from what he did though, being raped at any age isnt pleasant but being that young and not really understanding what is happening (maybe) is not pleasant at all :cry:

and you lot dont be mean to kronie...he is just trying to get discussions going

Ramrod 17-01-2004 17:58

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Originally Posted by kronas
and people dont believe me, when i say society is going down hill. :rolleyes:

I believe you :(

kink 17-01-2004 18:23

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Just out of interest..... i read in the report on this story in The Scotsman that Judge Clifton ordered that Abdo register as a sex offender for life and he lifted an order which had previously banned his identity from being published.

Abdo commited the crime when he was 11 years old..... is this necessary?
Although his sentence is only 30 months in detention.... is this life sentence justified in the light of his age? Is he likely to change his behaviour as he matures? The boys that killed Jamie Bulger now have their indentities hidden.... and they were of similar ages....

Just wondering......

kronas 17-01-2004 21:37

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Originally Posted by kink
Just out of interest..... i read in the report on this story in The Scotsman that Judge Clifton ordered that Abdo register as a sex offender for life and he lifted an order which had previously banned his identity from being published.

thanks for the extra information :)

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Originally Posted by kink
Abdo commited the crime when he was 11 years old..... is this necessary?


yes i believe it is.

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Originally Posted by kink
Although his sentence is only 30 months in detention.... is this life sentence justified in the light of his age?

no need for the drama, its not exactly a life sentence, i see your point, but he did something he knew he was doing, and i think he knew it and took advantage.......

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Originally Posted by kink
Is he likely to change his behaviour as he matures?

possibly, but who knows, its better to keep things under control rather then let him loose.

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Originally Posted by kink
The boys that killed Jamie Bulger now have their indentities hidden.... and they were of similar ages....

no one can justify there actions, the law is not consistant its unfair but that is life, it can be unfair, you have to put up with that.

Stuartbe 17-01-2004 21:45

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Originally Posted by kronas
thanks for the extra information :)




yes i believe it is.



no need for the drama, its not exactly a life sentence, i see your point, but he did something he knew he was doing, and i think he knew it and took advantage.......



possibly, but who knows, its better to keep things under control rather then let him loose.



no one can justify there actions, the law is not consistant its unfair but that is life, it can be unfair, you have to put up with that.

I could not agree more.... If he new it was wrong then he should be punished for it.

Why is it that people are allways thinking of the criminal and not the victim ? :mad:

kronas 17-01-2004 21:48

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Originally Posted by stuartbe
I could not agree more.... If he new it was wrong then he should be punished for it.

thats what i believe also.........


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Originally Posted by stuartbe
Why is it that people are allways thinking of the criminal and not the victim ? :mad:

im sick of the constant 'relaxed' attitude towards criminals/offenders just because he is young you can tell me we should be 'easy' on him sorry but NO we are 'easy' on alot of people and that does not get you anywhere except cause even more offenses and offenders........

Stuart 17-01-2004 22:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kink
Just out of interest..... i read in the report on this story in The Scotsman that Judge Clifton ordered that Abdo register as a sex offender for life and he lifted an order which had previously banned his identity from being published.

Abdo commited the crime when he was 11 years old..... is this necessary?
Although his sentence is only 30 months in detention.... is this life sentence justified in the light of his age? Is he likely to change his behaviour as he matures? The boys that killed Jamie Bulger now have their indentities hidden.... and they were of similar ages....

Just wondering......

Having never read any studies on sex criminals (and yes, I do realise rape has nothing to do with sex), I do believe that at 11 the guy SHOULD know what is right and what is wrong. I personally believe he should be treated the same way as any rapist.

However, I don't believe his ID should have been revealed.

kink 17-01-2004 22:33

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Originally Posted by kronas
[Snippity snip].....

no need for the drama, its not exactly a life sentence,

....[Snippity snipped].

What drama? I was simply asking a couple of questions that came to mind... i haven't expressed my opinion on his sentence or the crime. I hardly ever offer my opinion on forums... i only ask questions that might help me to understand what others are thinking.
I asked if people considered the boy being put on the sex offender register for life acceptable.... that is what i referred to as a life sentence.

Both you and Stuartbe seem to have assumed that i am sympathetic to the boy's case.... a boy who raped a 9 yr old girl..... and showed no remorse...... all i did was ask a couple of open ended questions without condemning his actions or agreeing with his punishment.


However, i have your opinions and that was all i was after. So thank you.

Stuartbe 17-01-2004 22:45

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Originally Posted by kink
What drama? I was simply asking a couple of questions that came to mind... i haven't expressed my opinion on his sentence or the crime. I hardly ever offer my opinion on forums... i only ask questions that might help me to understand what others are thinking.
I asked if people considered the boy being put on the sex offender register for life acceptable.... that is what i referred to as a life sentence.

Both you and Stuartbe seem to have assumed that i am sympathetic to the boy's case.... a boy who raped a 9 yr old girl..... and showed no remorse...... all i did was ask a couple of open ended questions without condemning his actions or agreeing with his punishment.


However, i have your opinions and that was all i was after. So thank you.

I was not having a go at you or your views and I am sure that Kronas was not either.

I was expressing a veiw that this sort of incident is usualy brushed under the carpet or dismised as (kids will be kids)

What I was trying to say is that the victim is usualy overlooked while the criminal is given sympathy..

Why in this country do we have 1-2 organisations to look after the victim and hundreds to look after the criminal ???

I do see your point that it is a bit sad that a someone so young should be registered as a sex ofender - but what if he does it again - can we take the risk ????

Maggy 17-01-2004 23:21

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My 15 year old son gets annoyed with me because I won't let him sit in front of the DTV with the remote late at night.However I know that there are some dubious shows being aired on a few channels(no we don't subscribe to the Pay per view stuff).These type of shows were NEVER shown before and what is shown is a lot more raunchy than say 10 years ago.

Now how many parents allow their darlings a tv in their room?How many parents go to bed before their kids?How many 11 year old are watching some of these programmes without parental approval.How many are watching WITH parental approval?

Incog.pondering on Mary Whitehouse and her clean up TV campaign.Was she right after all?
:shrug:

Mayfly 18-01-2004 00:37

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Originally Posted by Incognitas
My 15 year old son gets annoyed with me because I won't let him sit in front of the DTV with the remote late at night.However I know that there are some dubious shows being aired on a few channels(no we don't subscribe to the Pay per view stuff).These type of shows were NEVER shown before and what is shown is a lot more raunchy than say 10 years ago.

Now how many parents allow their darlings a tv in their room?How many parents go to bed before their kids?How many 11 year old are watching some of these programmes without parental approval.How many are watching WITH parental approval?

Incog.pondering on Mary Whitehouse and her clean up TV campaign.Was she right after all?
:shrug:


It is probably quite dangerous allowing kids & teenagers to watch telly after 10pm on their own, especially if you have sky as there are all sorts of programmes are on. Little kids have TVS & computers with the internet in their rooms and some parents probably have no idea what they are watching/seeing

What the hell gave an 11 year old the idea to rape another little girl? The world in turning into a very sick place in some ways :(

carlingman 18-01-2004 01:42

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Well thnaks Kronas for neg repping for me post 4 in this thread.

You have really shown your maturity there.

Did you not notice the smiley in my post.

FFS.

:rofl:

kronas 18-01-2004 02:38

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Originally Posted by carlingman
Well thnaks Kronas for neg repping for me post 4 in this thread.

You have really shown your maturity there.

Did you not notice the smiley in my post.

FFS.

:rofl:

no people seem to be telling me to do things at the moment, and im annoyed, im not changing my posting style for anyone.

back on topic

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Originally Posted by kink
What drama? I was simply asking a couple of questions that came to mind... i haven't expressed my opinion on his sentence or the crime. I hardly ever offer my opinion on forums... i only ask questions that might help me to understand what others are thinking.
I asked if people considered the boy being put on the sex offender register for life acceptable.... that is what i referred to as a life sentence.

it is acceptable for him to be on there, why should he be treated diffarently, he has still knowingly commited the act............

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Originally Posted by kink
Both you and Stuartbe seem to have assumed that i am sympathetic to the boy's case.... a boy who raped a 9 yr old girl..... and showed no remorse...... all i did was ask a couple of open ended questions without condemning his actions or agreeing with his punishment.

no i never meant to imply you are sympathetic, it was a general comment people seem to evaluate an action because of age that is wrong IMO if you understand what you have done is a crime before you did it, you should be punished.

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Originally Posted by kink
However, i have your opinions and that was all i was after. So thank you.

sorry no offence meant :wavey:

kronas 18-01-2004 02:44

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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Now how many parents allow their darlings a tv in their room?How many parents go to bed before their kids?How many 11 year old are watching some of these programmes without parental approval.How many are watching WITH parental approval?

on a case by case basis, i would say there is nothing wrong with 'teens' having there own televisions or being able to watch sky or such related platforms, it would be on the notion of individual responsability.

i have never been restricted on what content i watch on television, it has not harmed me at all, you cannot deny a young person sexual content viewing they most likely know about it already anyway.............

BUT as i said, this would be dependant, on a case by case basis.

carlingman 18-01-2004 03:01

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Originally Posted by kronas
no people seem to be telling me to do things at the moment, and im annoyed, im not changing my posting style for anyone.

Off topic,

Thanks for the PM, but re read what I posted, I for one never suggested you you change your posting style.

Yet aside form this you still chose to neg rep me.

Anyhows that was your choice so I will let this get back on to topic.

:D

kronas 18-01-2004 03:09

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Originally Posted by carlingman
Off topic,

Thanks for the PM, but re read what I posted, I for one never suggested you you change your posting style.

Yet aside form this you still chose to neg rep me.

Anyhows that was your choice so I will let this get back on to topic.

:D

ill apologise......... this time............ :D sorry :wavey:

you can red rep me back if you want :rolleyes:


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