and good riddance too
 

harold shipman dead sky news
wonder if it was done for him

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A strange case from start to finish. Why would a man in his position do such things :(

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Heh, I knew this thread was going to be about Harold Shipman before I opened it.

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must be psychic eh :D

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well I wouldnt go as far as saying good riddance but at least he isnt a burden on the tax payers anymore.

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Yeah, but it hardly seems fair that he's got an easy way out? (unless you believe in heaven/hell etc).

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well thats true also, but at least he was actually jailed and served some form of punishment for his crimes.

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reminds me of the picture that went round a while back... only now does the caption add a bit of irony i suppose

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GOOD

I am glad he is dead

they are banging on on the radio about how they effectively have the death penalty to let it happen


my thoughts - leave a rope or some ample sheets with huntley too

Harold Shipman found dead in cell
 

Harold Shipman found dead in cell
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3391871.stm

well looks as is the ******* took the easy way out.

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There's a thread running about this already

http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6345

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I think instead of letting him swing they should have made sure he was kept alive so they could perform some sort of research on him to give an insight into what causes people like him to kill so many. It might have helped them in future investigations .. possibly

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I think the news media should have a little more respect for the relatives of the victims and should simply report the fact that Shipman has topped himself without also dragging up the whole history again. I really don't think most of them want to see the media vultures hovering around yet again.

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Well sorry but I feel really sad about this news. I used to work for Dr S as well as being a patient and from the day I found out to today I still can't believe he did it. He was such a nice fella and great to work for. I know his family as well and this must be such a shock for them. Hyde will probably be over-run with media today and have got to walk into town to put script in so it will probably be like a rugby scrum. I'm not saying he didn't do it just that I find it hard to believe before anyone thinks I'm unsympathetic to the people that died. I bet they start checking the water supplies as this town had Dr S and the Moors Murderers living in it.

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Can't see how you can say he's such a nice fella.

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because of her experiences of working for him i would presume :confused:

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Quite, but surely when you find out the nice person you knew is the biggest mass murderer in British history you perhaps realise he wasn't the nice person you thought. Being polite and friendly while murdering the elderly is hardly a reason for people to actually believe he's a nice person.

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i cant say im upset one less nutter to pay out for every month.

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I can only speak from the Dr S that I knew who approved a nice big pay rise for me !! Seriously though he was GP that people wanted to go to and there was a waiting list to join his practice. I was in his surgery on one of the days when he "killed" someone and was chatting to him after the surgery had finished waiting for the police to arrive. He was calm, normal, the Dr S that I knew and had come to admire. I was interviewed by the police and had to give a statement but didn't have to give evidence thank god. Still don't know what to make of it all.

Having just seen the TV I had to giggle cos they moved out of that surgery yesterday and are now in a big new shiny surgery at the top of the road so the media can stay there all day but ain't going to see anyone :shrug:

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Saying that was courageous of you. Well done. :)

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I really don't know what to say, I'm gobsmacked by what you are writing. I find it discusting really that you can sit there and type that he was a really nice person and after he killed someone he was calm and normal and you have admiration for him, admiration that doesn't seem to have gone away since you found out he was a mass murderer.

Can't you see being friendly and normal and a seemingly nice person, while he murdered people makes him even worse ? He was cold and calculating and while he chatted to you nice and calmly he'd just murdered someone. You've even put "killed" in quotes as if you don't believe he actually did it ?

You sound to me like someone who was completely taken in by the presentable facade of a murderer and to this day it seems you are still taken in by it. Its cheap shot but he can't be all that bad if he gave you a big pay rise eh ? Perhaps he liked having gullable supporters around him while he murdered 200 people.

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re read debsy's posts , i have and can see what she is saying :)

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Woah woah woah nor!

Debs is saying that he seemed like a nice guy, who she admired.
Lost of people seem to be nice but turn out not to.
How the hell can you attack debs for it????
She's not saying he didn't do it, she's saying that the Dr S she knew didn't seem the sort who could, but there's no way she could have known.

Back off or appologise to debs.

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Nor, as I said in post 15, I'm not saying that he didn't do it just that I find it hard to believe. The pay rise etc happened before all this came to light and what I'm saying is that he was completely normal at the time when I look back to events. There are other things that happened that make me think how could someone be so calm at the time. I haven't be taken in by Dr S, I am talking about my impression of the person I knew at that time. I feel very sorry for his family as they have to live with his noteriety as they have done nothing wrong and also the victims families as at the end of the day the have lost a loved one.

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Maybe I've completely misread, if so I'll apologise. Just so I can understand maybe you could answer a couple of questions.

Do you believe that he murdered all those people.

Do you think he is a nice fella despite him being a murderer.

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Debsy, I tried to rep you but can't. Need to spread it around more..

What you said was very brave.

Nor: Dr Shipman persuaded all his family, friends, colleagues and patients he was a nice man for years while he was killing. I don't believe that everyone in those groups was that gullible (logic dictates that this is unlikely to be the case). This would suggest to me either that he was actually a very good liar, or he suffered from Multiple Personalities, and that one of his personalities did the murdering with the other(s) totally unaware. However, if the Multiple Personalities theory were true, he would not have stood trial. So, he is a good liar.

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To question 1 - yes

To question 2 - he was a nice fella

It's difficult because I can only go off the person I knew at the time, we used to go for nights out etc with the surgery and he was funny, kind and allround nice person. I'm sure people don't look at their boss and suspect he may be a mass murderer. I had gone in his surgery in the August for a blood test result, he said he had something to tell me and explained that he was being investigated for murder. I nearly fell off my chair in shock. After he had been arrested the wall of the surgery was covered in cards from patients who supported him. I just find it hard to reconcile this mass murderer is the same person as Dr S.

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I think it perfectly possible to make a differentiation in this case. The murders that he committed were terrible acts, but that does not necessarily mean that in the rest of his interactions with people he was a perfectly nice guy. I was listening to a radio interview with the relative of one of his victims earlier who also happened to be one of his patients and they echoed these sentiments, that aside from the murders he was a good chap.

I do not condone these murders in anyway, but as scastle said, there may be deeper issues involved. I read that when he was rather young he had to watch his mother slowly die from a painful illness during which she suffered greatly. AFAIK (and if I`m wrong this whole hypothesis is invalid) his victims were all elderly people. Perhaps, as a result of the early trauma, he was extremely misguided and believed he was helping these people by giving them a relatively painless death.

I know that sounds very twisted, but it is possible that a traumatic experience in his youth caused him to commit acts that anyone else can see as being extremely wrong, while in his mind they were honorable acts. That would be in accordance with the comments that I have heard now from multiple people that he was, in general, a thoroughly decent chap.

This argument in no way excuses his acts, and regardless of his intentions, justice must be served. But if multiple people can say good things about him, I can`t see that all these people are somehow missing the point.

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This is the bit I can't get. I can totally understand you saying, you always thought he was a nice fella up until he was found guilty of murder, cos he was always friendly, nice, polite, caring etc. That he fooled you just like he fooled everyone else. But how can you say he's still a nice fella even after knowing he murdered over 200 people.

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Nice fellas don't kill people and when I say he was a nice fella I'm going from the time when I was in contact with him, I'm not saying he's still a nice person.

Anyway off now to walk into Hyde (car still not fixed) as I about to run out of medication so back later, I'm sure Hyde will be full of media etc which is strange cos there's nothing really to see :shrug:

Edit: A couple of GP's who worked locally had been accused of "inappropriate behaviour" and yes I could believe it of them as they had behaved strangely on meetings we had attended, in fact we steered clear of these GP's. People usually give something away in their behaviour if something isn't quite right, working in a surgery for over 3 years gave me a lot of experience.

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Okay mate, I'm genuinely sorry and apologise for having a go at you, I've clearly misread it. If its just that you were hoodwinked along with everyone else into thinking he was a nice person and don't believe that any longer once you found out what he'd been doing I can completely understand that position.

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Why do they need an enquiry into the suicide? It's impossible to monitor 24 hours and as an 'expert' said, if someone it determined to take their life there's no stopping them.

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Because if they can find out if he showed any signs of being suicidal they'll know what to look for in anyone else who suicidal but not on suicide watch.
Suicide watch means checking them every 15mins, which can give them enough of a chance to revive someone who's managed to hang themselves.
Also, if he was showing known signs and they were missed, then the prison forces messed up in not keeping him on suicide watch.

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There is also the issue that it needs to be definitively demonstrated that this was indeed suicide. I was listening to a radio phone-in this morning where someone was expressing a similar sentiment (albeit in a somewhat more ranting tone). Basically they were saying that now he is dead let's be done with it and move on.

While I appreciate that all of the current signs do indeed suggest it was suicide, it is critical that the facts are established and the cause of death investigated. If, and it is a big if, he was killed by a prison officer, a failure to establish all the facts would essentially provide the prison service with a licence to "execute" any prisoner they felt like with impunity. Alternatively, a prison officer could have deliberately failed to act to prevent the suicide because they wanted him dead. Again, if this is the case we should establish those facts.