browsing in Manchester
 

anybody finding browsing in Manchester is intermittently crawling at the moment?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Yes it does seem to be a tad slow. :rolleyes:

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

yep, really bad here. There is some packet loss for me too, within the ntl system too.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Seems ok here :shrug:

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

If some lovely person there would like to PM me an IP address I shall investigate. Have any of you tried switching proxy servers ? (belfast are always good 62.254.32.5)
However if there is packet loss I would be happy to escalated 9am 2morro morning.
(Sorry im at home currently)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I havent been online all day but it seems ok here and I go through Ashton headend now used to be Oldham.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

where are u exactly I'm on the gorton/denton border used to go through Ashton now oldham

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Mine is fine here, Stockport area.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Droylsden

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

seems a little sluggish for me in glasgow., not awful though

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

NO PROXIES IN MANCHESTER

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Thats funny I know of 7...

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Talk to BBK no proxies in use the NW
something wrong upstream though


Downstream565 Kbps (70.6 KB/sec)610 Kbps (inc. overheads)Upstream69 Kbps (8.6 KB/sec)74 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Moony is right, there are 7 (at least) caches in Manchester, th'eng is right (historically) in that they were turned off a while back (but if they were turned off this means they exist, no?)

This doesn't mean they won't be turned on in the future though (and no, I haven't checked, not my division and I'm knackeringly busy).

It's always been Ashton for you, Kits, the site above it is Oldham, formerly Baguley until about 18 months ago. So you go through Ashton and Oldham.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Thanks BBK thought they took em down south to assist the proxies out down there.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

As BBK also said, do not overlook the possibilty they will enable WCCP. Have run a few checks and found that a few seem to be online (or would asume by the ICMP response).

EDIT : That doesnt NOT mean they are in use.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

This might be worth re-checking now. There are ten proxies defined for Manchester in the DNS, and some or all of them might be online and working. They look as if they are NetApp NetCache appliances, rather than the old Inktomis.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Nope, there are ten (count em) pingable in Manchester at the moment.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

ten eh. I shall get onto FMT and see if I can dig up a list of the latest release of proxies. Dont hold your breath though....

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I can confirm that all ten proxys (cache1 thru cache10) are working - but only by explicitly declaring them. By default, transparent proxying is still turned off in this area.

With or without them, this site still feels clunky at the moment. It takes about 5 seconds to refresh this page.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

:D we dont want to go down the proxy route again lets try to forget the NW
proxies.

For once everything is OK 2000 STB, different DNS than NTL only need an upload improvement then sorted.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

heres the packet loss i mentioned i was getting. Same as yesterday! It also has bad latency compared to the rest of the ntl system...

Tracing route to hhonline.co.uk [66.98.186.244]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 7 ms 9 ms 9 ms 10.22.48.1
2 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
3 9 ms 14 ms 8 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.41]
4 9 ms 10 ms 9 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]
6 21 ms 9 ms 10 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
7 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
8 * 48 ms * tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]
9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]

[next hops are all fine...]


tried again:

Tracing route to hhonline.co.uk [66.98.186.244]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.22.48.1
2 11 ms 19 ms 9 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
3 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.41]
4 9 ms 8 ms 10 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]
6 10 ms 16 ms 10 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
7 15 ms 17 ms 27 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
8 * * 51 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]

Can anyone look into this?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

traceroute to nthellworld.co.uk:

1 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 10.22.48.1
2 25 ms 8 ms 8 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
3 15 ms 9 ms 26 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.53]
4 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 9 ms 10 ms 9 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]
6 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
7 15 ms 17 ms 20 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
8 * 54 ms 50 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]
9 20 ms 19 ms 18 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]
10 * 130 ms 128 ms nycmny2wcx2-oc12.wcg.net [64.200.87.149]
11 129 ms 131 ms 127 ms hrndva1wcx2-pos5-0.wcg.net [64.200.210.97]
12 129 ms 128 ms 130 ms hrndva1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.95.74]
13 129 ms 129 ms 128 ms drvlga1wcx2-pos.wcg.net [64.200.210.57]
14 129 ms 128 ms 132 ms drvlga1wcx1-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.127.49]
15 129 ms 128 ms 130 ms dllstx1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.240.21]
16 130 ms 127 ms 128 ms dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.110.73]
17 128 ms * 128 ms hstntx1wce2-pos4-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.74]
18 * * 130 ms hstntx1wce2-everyonesinternet-gige.wcg.net [65.77.93.54]
19 119 ms 120 ms 119 ms ivhou-207-218-223-34.ev1.net [207.218.223.34]
20 * * *

This one shows problems with ntl, and with the provider of this site, ev1servers.net

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I can confirm that 62.253.185.244 is showing 70% packet loss on my trace to that IP from the same area as B&B.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

If one you two (if not both) would PM me your IP addy allong with MAC, I shall email this and get is escalated asap :) (I will investiage first)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

PM sent :)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Something not right here:

Pinging 62.253.185.82 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=118ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Request timed out
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=125ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=248
Request timed out
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=56ms TTL=248
Reply from 62.253.185.82: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=248

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Check your PM's Moony, I need some info and Ill do the searchs for you then :)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Still no problems here

Tracing route to www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.11.32.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge-wan51-120.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
4.81]
3 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
.41]
4 30 ms 10 ms 10 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms man-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.178]
6 20 ms 20 ms 10 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]

7 30 ms 20 ms 10 ms win-dc-a-v902.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.222]
8 20 ms 20 ms 10 ms www.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.30]

Trace complete.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

kitty, try tracing www.nthellworld.co.uk or www.hhonline.co.uk ?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Everything looks fine on the bluetools reports on the MAC addresses I have recieved

And as said above, its a known issue, but shouldnt affect you directly (apparently)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

ok heres nthw.co.uk


Tracing route to nthellworld.co.uk [216.40.241.59]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.11.32.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge-wan51-120.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
4.81]
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
.53]
4 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]

6 20 ms 10 ms 20 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
7 10 ms 20 ms 20 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]

8 51 ms 110 ms 70 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]

9 10 ms 40 ms 20 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]
10 120 ms 130 ms 120 ms nycmny2wcx2-pos15-3.wcg.net [64.200.87.61]
11 120 ms 130 ms 130 ms hrndva1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.240.46]
12 141 ms 130 ms 130 ms hrndva1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.95.74]
13 130 ms 131 ms 130 ms drvlga1wcx2-pos4-0.wcg.net [64.200.232.125]
14 130 ms 130 ms 131 ms drvlga1wcx1-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.127.49]
15 130 ms 130 ms 140 ms dllstx1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.240.21]
16 130 ms 130 ms 140 ms dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.110.77]
17 141 ms 120 ms 130 ms hstntx1wce2-pos4-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.74]
18 130 ms * 130 ms hstntx1wce2-everyonesinternet-gige.wcg.net [65.7
7.93.54]
19 130 ms 141 ms * ivhou-207-218-223-34.ev1.net [207.218.223.34]
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.

this timed out to hoop 30.


This also timed out.

Tracing route to www.hhonline.co.uk [66.98.186.244]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.11.32.1
2 10 ms 21 ms 10 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge-wan51-120.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
4.81]
3 230 ms 241 ms 210 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
.41]
4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
5 40 ms 10 ms 10 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]

6 40 ms 10 ms 10 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
7 30 ms 10 ms 20 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]

8 50 ms * 60 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]

9 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]
10 130 ms 130 ms * nycmny2wcx2-oc12.wcg.net [64.200.87.153]
11 * 130 ms 130 ms hrndva1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.240.46]
12 130 ms 130 ms 130 ms hrndva1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.95.74]
13 130 ms 120 ms 130 ms drvlga1wcx2-pos4-0.wcg.net [64.200.232.125]
14 131 ms * 130 ms drvlga1wcx1-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.127.29]
15 * 130 ms 130 ms dllstx1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.240.21]
16 130 ms 131 ms 130 ms dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net [64.200.110.73]
17 131 ms 130 ms 130 ms hstntx1wce2-pos4-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.74]
18 130 ms 141 ms * hstntx1wce2-everyonesinternet-gige.wcg.net [65.7
7.93.54]
19 131 ms 130 ms 130 ms ivhou-207-218-245-46.ev1.net [207.218.245.46]
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.



I have to say they look bad yet there is no signs of my service being slow also my son was online playing CS.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

They will both time out because a firewall is installed on these machines.

But the problem for me, is the packet loss @ hop8:
50 ms * 60 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Is there any loss behind it? No? Then the packet loss there is inconsequential, so long as it is passing packets smoothly, which according to yourself below it is, there's no effect to your service.

8 * 48 ms * tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]
9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]

[next hops are all fine...]

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

This doesnt excuse the fact that something is wrong somewhere. I have actually noticed very slow browsing to this site in particular, and others on this subnet.

Not complaining, its still usable, but when ntl have a problem, they need to be informed :)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

No problem in Hyde, running fine and was last night too :shrug:

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

According to Kitty's trace to this site, which doesn't go through that router at all, the packet loss starts here:

18 130 ms * 130 ms hstntx1wce2-everyonesinternet-gige.wcg.net [65.77.93.54]

On the other site she showed 'real' packet loss starting in the wcg.net network.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Thats nice to know thats theres not a problem with NTL according to justanothernoob, although people are not happy with slow browsing, slow upload and bad pings in the NW.:rolleyes:

Probably just a transient fault like the DNS and e-mail:D

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I don't remember saying there were no issues, merely that tele-ic-1 wasn't at fault.

You may wonder why less and less staff post on here compared to .com - is it any wonder when what they say is either twisted, or contradicted by those without access to any information, besides their own suppositions? Once again Th'Eng you think everyone in your region has the issues you do, slow upload is a local issue, not regional, and last time I checked your issues with pings and upload were resolved? Bad pings, web browsing, etc these symptoms tend to be due to a fault quite literally affecting a proportion of people in some postcodes.

I'll disappear again then and keep my mouth shut, as customers seem to know (or think they know) more about my job than I do who am I to disagree. Wish I'd kept it shut to begin with, don't come on here for my health and hoped to be informative, correct some common misconceptions. Info I give isn't popular tho so must be wrong :shrug: :wavey:

[EDIT] To correct appauling punctuation

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

You made him mad! although he is 100% correct, trace's all show fine throughput past the router and 0% packet loss. I am not aware of any other issues currently so I would advise anyone not happy with the service to ring TS as there are no calls waiting.

/2 minutes later

110 calls waiting? doh!

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Just out of interest, I noted problems with the telehouse hop 5 days ago ;

http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showp...47&postcount=3

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Not wanting to wind you up sorry about that just your post appeared to imply no problems

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Will do as you ask thank you for your help it is appreciated

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I would helped via PM eng, but STB and me = ?!?!?! = Guess City.

Have you erm...tried a reboot?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Its back to normal now whoever has tweaked it thank you

Tuesday, 13 January 2004, 12:23.
Your Connection


Actual Speed

True Speed (estimated)

Downstream550 Kbps (68.8 KB/sec)594 Kbps (inc. overheads)Upstream114 Kbps (14.3 KB/sec)123 Kbps (inc. overheads)

PM for you Mr Moony

BTW latest
Tuesday, 13 January 2004, 12:29.
Your Connection

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Well, something is not quite up to scratch at the moment. Many sites feel particularly clunky. For example, the 'today' page at scan can download at as little as 4 kbyte/sec. It all feels very intermittent.

Here are some traceroutes that I ran straight after each other this afternoon. The ping times appear all over the shop and every now and then one is lost completely.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

.... and at the risk of repeating, the response times from tele-ic-1 are again poor. Compare them to the response before and after that step. If this is not a problem with that stage then why does it happen ??

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

The hop straight after it is mega low, then it goes high!

8 18 ms 16 ms 18 ms lndnuk1icx1.wcg.net [195.66.224.105]
9 128 ms 128 ms 127 ms nycmny2wcx2-oc12.wcg.net [64.200.87.153]

EDIT : Sorry Pem i just completely miss-read what you wrote. Ignore that.

Afaik tel-1c or whatever is a known issue. Well JAN00b said so a few posts back anyway

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

yep, that hop is still bad, minly at peak times...

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Yep Scan is crawling for me, yet foreign pages load much faster. Some are certainly slower than they should be. :(

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Ugh.

It's running like a bag o' spanners.

I'm on 1meg ntl wideband and it feels like 56k.

I'm in Stockport
(cheadle heath, shhh but don't tell anyone)

I've tried a tip from one of the stickied threads in this forum, using the IP for Imperial College 155.198.20.20 for the DNS info.

At first, it seemed to be rocket fast, and I sat here all excited like, but after 5 or 6 page refreshes of another forum, it began to crawl again, often not displaying all the images (red cross hell)

So, what to do? I've tried lots of proxies in the past, but like the Imperial one, they seem great at first, but soon die a death.

Also, remember the Internet Explorer issue of it slowly displaying images, or not at all, is this still an issue, did they ever resolve that?

Anyone know?
Anyone care?!

I use Avant Browser, which is a plug-in/front end for IE, and don't fancy changing it, bah.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I am using Zen's DNS at the moment
212.23.8.1
212.23.8.6 and browsing is flying along. Using IE 6

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Poxy proxies a back in Manchester, this has just happened today. I've been happy with my service from NTL for the best part of 2 and a half years, is this the beginning of the end or the start of even faster browsing?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Just tried the proxy test at All Nettools, still reports "no proxy detected"

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

maybe its just the baguley headend for now? (cache2-bagu.server.ntli.net)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Curiously, neither of these two work for me:
http://www.all-nettools.com/pr.htm (just hangs)
http://www.broadband-help.com/cm_diagnose.asp?init=1 (reports cache IP as mine!)

but this one does:
http://www.nthellworld.co.uk/?page=proxy (but reports a different cache!)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

That one also reports that I am not using a proxy. And a trace reports Baguley POP 80.5.164.9 as my second hop.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Fine for me and no proxy detected :D

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

That Imperial DNS I was using for the last hour or so was useless, it wouldn't even let me access this forum!

I've just switched back to "connect directly" and *touches wood* seems ok now.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Now that was quick!

Didn't they remove them from Manchester in the first place because they couldn't get them to work with the CWC setup?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

3rd site reports different cache because different caches within proxy cluster cache different websites based on the IP addy of the site. this is determined by WCCP which is more often than not the actual problem

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

The status page says this is now fixed, but no, it isn't. I'm still getting lots of "Connection reset by peer" messages from many websites.
Why are they once again forcing us to use these proxies? An option to disable it would be nice.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

This resolves as oldh-t2cam1-a-ge94.inet.ntl.com, so is actually Oldham CAM, not Baguley POP.

Manchester was split into two parts over a year ago. There are four caches in one half and ten in the other, for some reason. Interestingly all the sites mentioned in the server status report are in the four-cache half, however I've no idea if they've actually been turned on. Can anyone actually confirm that a proxy checker shows a transparent proxy working in their area?

Nope. I know why, but it wasn't that.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Sorry, you are of course correct..I was reading the network and not the node name:dunce: .Definately no proxies detected here on any of the three links in the post from Altis.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

$ host 80.5.160.6
6.160.5.80.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cache3-bagu.server.ntli.net.

This is what all my HTTP requests are now going through.
nthellworld is about the only site I can reach now. Thanks for ruining things again NTL!

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

This do ya? (SACM with no manual proxy selected)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

[QUOTE=altisThis do ya? (SACM with no manual proxy selected)[/QUOTE]That site clearly has been tripped up by NTL's breach of the RFCs for HTTP. The RFCs say that proxies must insert a Via header, but the NTL NetApp proxies omit the Via header, but do insert an X_Forwarded_For header, so that a better coded site can detect the browser's IP address. A helpful page for debugging is http://tools.blueyonder.co.uk/browse.phtml, which displays all your browser's HTTP headers, not just the ones a site thinks you might be interested in seeing.

Nevertheless, your post does appear to show that the Baguley proxies are back!

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

There you go :)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Yes, definitely proxied, and presumably the X-Forwarded-For showed your true IP address. The absence of the Via header is a breach of RFC by NTL's proxy server.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Indeed it did. For clarification, I've now altered the image linked above.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

same problem here in baguley - buggered up surfing on various sites - I assume someone decided to reinstate the proxies?

(mine also shows x-forwarded on it)



example site that doesnt work .... http://www.expansys.com

and carphonewarehouse has just started working!

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Mines the same, but sometimes a site will work then stop working 10 minutes later, etc etc.
A lot of sites are dead slow, so theres either a knot in a cable somewhere or somethings wrong. ;)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

mine's working now - that site now working plus another I had problems with.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I'm in Warrington and I've been having problems today. The email is very slow, and I'm getting far fewer emails than usual. The browser is refusing to connect me to several sites (I've tried different browsers, and since we have more than one computer here, not networked except through the router, I've tried the other computers too).
Here's an addy I know is there and up, but I'm getting no page to display for it:
www.likesbooks.com
(there are others, but I haven't made a note of them).
I can't get links I click on from my email. (links in message).
What I really need to know is what is going on and when it will be fixed?
I'm on cable, with a broadband connection.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I think there's lots of things going on at once round here. For three days our FM hookup has been intermittently losing a signal (this is a great debug tool). At the same time the broadband connection is lost. I presume someone is busy changing connections on the cable.

I just hope it's working later on when I have an appointment with ebay ;)

ps. No help I know, but Lifebooks works for me.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Proxies do not cause issues with email, so thats unrelated.
However these proxies have just been "switched on". Lets give them some time to settle in. Im enjoying the new Swansea cache 3 and 4 :)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I'm seeing horrendous packet loss tracerouting into my machine at home in Warrington:

3 <10 ms <10 ms 15 ms gw3.lba2.gbb.uk.uu.net [158.43.149.5]
4 <10 ms <10 ms 16 ms 158.43.149.98
5 <10 ms 16 ms 15 ms srp2-0.br1.lnd8.gbb.uk.uu.net [158.43.189.5]
6 * <10 ms 16 ms 195.66.226.23
7 * 16 ms 15 ms gfd-bb-b-so-320-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.73]
8 * <10 ms * win-bb-a-so-500-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.129]

9 * 16 ms 15 ms man-bb-b-so-600-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.137]

10 * 16 ms 15 ms man-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.177]
11 * 16 ms 15 ms bagu-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.26]

12 16 ms 31 ms 16 ms bagu-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [80.5.161.6]

13 15 ms * * ubr03warr-ge10.inet.ntl.com [80.5.162.94]
14 16 ms 31 ms * spc1-warr3-3-0-cust104.manc.broadband.ntl.com [2
13.106.132.104]
15 16 ms * * spc1-warr3-3-0-cust104.manc.broadband.ntl.com [2
13.106.132.104]
16 31 ms 32 ms 15 ms spc1-warr3-3-0-cust104.manc.broadband.ntl.com [2
13.106.132.104]

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Still suffering upload problems here but not poxied proxy not detected on all net tools

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Presumably just the Baguley caches (serving west/southwest Manchester, Wirral, Cheshire, Stoke I believe) are back on. Rochdale's off Oldham/Manchester where there are ten caches to Baguley's four. Hoping someone's done the capacity maths right there...

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Lets hope they have would not like to see a repeat of last years fiasco, but must admit it could be far worse.

With most of the exchanges ADSL enabled in the North West, could hit NW BU very hard this time

Ready for the poxies
 

well i am ready for the poxies:D



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Re: browsing in Manchester
 

The proxy host is cache4-bagu.server.ntli.net which has ip address 80.5.160.7

A repeat of last year would be suicide for NTL I think. I've got my new BT scoket next to my PC live and ready to rumble.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Glad to know there is someone else thinking the same as me :D

Its a different world from last year with most on the north west able to get ADSL

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Can't even get some of my usual sites up, Damn DNS errors for a couple of days now. Doy you thinknthellworld.com was taken down because they didn't want to hear the screams when the proxies came back up?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

no they did not like the screams:rofl:

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

It's getting worse. I can't get on to quite a few of my regular sites today - including my publisher!
I got 450 emails this morning, so I suppose I should be grateful for that (I think!)

So
www.likesbooks.com
www.theromancereader.com
www.novelbooksinc.com

are all unobtainable today, and I've only just started!

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Hi am just wondering is manchester on the bromley or langley platform?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Hateful terms. Manchester (and the entire ntl NW region) is former CWC, DOCSIS-only platform, or Bromley in your terms :cool:

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Bleedin' typical. Spent last couple of days setting up a wireless home network. Thought pages missing were caused by problems with network. Should have known better. Might be a coincidence but missing sites included this forum, digital spy's forum and theregister.co.uk.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

The webmail is extremely slow too. Its just taken me ten minutes to load up my inbox

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Only 10 mins? Jeez its speeding up then. I'm back to : your isp has not responded\gone bust\screwed up its e-mail, scenario yet AGAIN!!!! :(

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

can't access loads of web pages today, including my own site this morning!

thought it was a firewall issue at first but looks like it good old ntl ;)

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I do hope you're all reporting this to ntl (politely) so we don't look like prats when we postulate a cache problem in Manchester and there are no calls to back it up...

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I don't seem to have any problem today spent most of the day moving website from one host to another so files have been going up and down most of the day now updating the website so its a fresh looking site for the year.

I do not use any cache checks show no cache.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I am in Manchester and have been having problems accessing certain websites. I am unclear as to how this all works. How can I access some sites and not others? Can someone explain in simple terms? Surely if I can access one site, I can access them all? Thanks.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

Different sites are allocated to different caches within the cluster. If a cache is broken, only the sites allocated to that cache become inaccessible.

If you can find a working cache, then configuring your browser to use that one on port 8080 will give you connectivity to all sites.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

how do u do that?

don't know much about all this myself tbh and didnt know ntl cached sites - does that mean they use a proxy or something?

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d...trancache.html.

Re: browsing in Manchester
 

I've had no problems whatsoever with my connection, browsing and downloading is fine :shrug: