Scanning Banknotes
 

After reading this: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/0...id=152&tid=185

I decided to give it a try with a 10 Euro note ... sure enough, Photoshop tells me that I'm being naughty and won't allow me to do it, fair enough, I can't see why people would want to scan bank notes unless they're going to commit some kind of fraud (or it's for some kind of school/college project) but do Adobe have the right to tell you what you can and can't do on your own machine? What's next? Perhaps copywritten materials will be encoded in the same way to stop you scanning them, I hope not .. I scan lots of brochures for customers to create site's and would rather not be told I can't do my job by a bit of software I spent several hundred pounds on.

(see attached image)

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:eek: how did they manage that???

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Ahhhhhh I think you will find the reason for this is that it is not using copyright law but the criminal law as its authority, it always having been a criminal offence to copy banknotes regardless of the intended use.

Exactly which method they use to identify that it is a banknote being copied I don't know, but I'm not that surprised such a feat is possible.

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Not sure, but no matter which angle you scan it ... same problem, even if you scan it using something else and save it, it won't let you open the file in Photoshop

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Fold it in half and try scanning half of it :)

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heh, ok, hold on

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Nope .. still no joy! no matter which half or which side I try, same error, kudos to the cleverness of it but for those designers who deal with financial publications etc it's a blow.

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And to Sociable, as far as I know it IS legal to reproduce bank notes (certainly American ones) if certain criteria are met

There are quite strict restrictions on UK banknotes:

CONDITIONS

For physical reproductions and reproductions on film or television, Conditions 1, 2, 3, 4and at least one of the options in Condition 5 must be satisfied. In the case of all otherreproductions, including those on the Internet or on CD-Rom, Conditions 3, 4 and 6 mustbe satisfied.


Condition 1. Reproductions must be one-sided only (i.e. nothing should appear on the reverseof a reproduction which might give the impression that the reproduction is a genuine banknote).

Condition 2. Reproductions must not be the same size as actual banknotes. If they are to be smaller, they must be at most two-thirds as long and at most two-thirds as wide. If they are to be larger, they must be at least one and a half times as long and at least one and a half times as wide. Reproductions of parts of banknotes must meet the same conditions.

Condition 3. Reproductions may not appear in an offensive context, for example in conjunction with imagery or text of a violent or pornographic nature.

Condition 4. There should be no distortion to the Queenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s image (apart from an enlargement, reduction or slant).

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At least one of the following conditions must also be met:
Condition 5.

a) the reproduction of the banknote is shown on the slant and not flat to camera. In such a case the distortion must be such that right angles are reduced to acute angles of 70° or less, or increased to obtuse angles of 110° or more. or
b) the reproduction is printed on a material clearly different and distinguishable from paper or paper-like material. or
c) the colours on the reproduction differ distinctly from the main colours used on any of thecurrent series of Bank of England banknotes.
or
d) in the case of a reproduction of part of a banknote, at most 50% of the total surface area of one side of the original banknote may be reproduced.
or
e) if the reproduction is flat to camera it must be overprinted with the word †œSPECIMENÃÂà ‚¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ƚÂÂ� twice in accordance with Condition 6.

Condition 6. The banknotes must also include the word SPECIMEN twice in solid black capital letters. Once from the bottom left corner to the top centre and again from the bottom centre to the top right corner of the banknote (as demonstrated below). The word SPECIMEN must be not less than one third of the length of the reproduction in length and not less than oneeighth
of the height of the reproduction in height. This applies whether the entire banknote is reproduced or just part.

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Thanks for the added detail bifta guess we will all have to stick to brushing up our etching skills then. Now where did I leave my old "John Bull" printing outfit?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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all very big brother , has anyone tried an english note to see what happens ???????????

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Oh no...must...resist :D

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All my sterling is either Bank of Ireland or Ulster Bank .. which seem's to scan ok, but they're not new notes (and they're all fivers), It seems they've started with 20's and upwards, 20's being the most counterfeited note in the uk.

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i suppose ppl will just have to use photoshop 7 instead then :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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scans fine in xsane and opens fine in the gimp :)

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Just scanned and english fiver in adobe image ready :shrug:

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You're all becoming forgers! :D

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How about scanning using something else, like Paint Shop Pro?

It does sound a bit big brother though - it maybe a sign of things to come with the TCPA and all that :disturbd:

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Photoshop is the de-facto photo editor for the PC platform, which is probably why they introduced it into that instead of Poo shop pro.

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O.k. but no-one mentioned Image Ready, I said "Photoshop" which is a totally different program to Image Ready

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i have seen information, that it was down to the US federal reserve,that the 'feature' was inplimented it was done on the quiet,and they did not want it to publicised.

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Naughty naughty, where can I get Photoshop from?????

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if you want the version in question, its here

i warn you on the price though......ÂÂÃ⠀šÃ‚£533.99 :eek:

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*cough* kazaa *cough*

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we cant condone that on here :nono:

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ok then... *cough* kazaa lite *cough*

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:rofl:

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ok ill accept that :rofl: :p

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Meh ... have you any idea how galling it is to pay over £600 for a bit of software to see people suggesting other's go steal it ....

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Ah it's the "I'd never be able to pay £600 for it, so by taking a copy adobe haven't lost any money. If they charged a reasonable price I'd be able to afford it and would pay for it" argument

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Ah yes, the age old "theft is alright if it's something I can't afford" argument. I don't particularly care what people download, if they want to pinch photoshop it's up to them, it's just a slight sting seeing it condoned when over half my monthly salary went towards a copy :(

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Well the theft bit is a philosophical grey area.

For instance, if you were able to make a copy of a Porche 911 yourself, are you stealing a car from Porche?

The argument I mentioned goes like this (may help if you look at it with your head on it's side) :
As someone who could never buy a copy of photoshop, adobe will never get any money from me. Therefore if I get a free copy, adobe haven't lost any money because they would never have got any money from me. Yes it is wrong because it is illegal, but adobe has not suffered a theft.

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I'm not going to argue the semantics of this, it's not what the thread was about, my final comment is that if you can't afford something then either you don't have it or you buy the same item second hand, you can't compare copyright infringement and media theft to building a car that looks like a porsche. I'll start another thread about it though, I don't want to just attempt to cut you off and tell you that you're wrong.

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One intriguing thing is that the link given in Bifta's picture seems unusually coy about who produces it; not a single clue as far as I can see. Does anyone know? Is it some top-secret inter-governmental organisation that, even now, is preparing to raid the homes of all who have posted here. Are you totally paranoic; if not, should you be? Have I actually missed the small print telling us the site owner's name?