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downquark1 08-01-2004 10:52

WMD threat deliberately misrepresented
 
The The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said that:
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Bush administration officials "systematically" misrepresented the danger of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs, which were not an immediate threat to the United States and the Middle East,
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4091219

Granted this is just a low level think tank but it may be a preview of things to come in the Hutton report and any resulting enquiries.

Quote:

U.N. weapons inspectors had discovered that nerve agents in Iraq's chemical weapons program had lost most of their lethal capability as early as 1991

Xaccers 08-01-2004 11:01

Re: WMD threat deliberately misrepresented
 
I can't wait for it to be released.

Theodoric 08-01-2004 11:34

Re: WMD threat deliberately misrepresented
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1
The The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said that:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4091219

Granted this is just a low level think tank but it may be a preview of things to come in the Hutton report and any resulting enquiries.

Much as we would hope for the truth to come out, I doubt it. The Hutton enquiry is solely concerned with Dr Kelly's death; anything else is peripheral.

downquark1 08-01-2004 21:35

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Looks like the BBC has caught up:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3380645.stm

Julian 08-01-2004 21:51

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Further proof that phony bliar misled us. :rolleyes:

Xaccers 08-01-2004 21:52

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Ah but he'll use word games to try and get out of having to resign

Marge 08-01-2004 21:52

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Originally Posted by Julian
Further proof that phony bliar misled us. :rolleyes:

is that short for bluddy liar ?? ;)

kronas 08-01-2004 21:54

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Originally Posted by Julian
Further proof that phony bliar misled us. :rolleyes:


i was always semi against the war, i didnt take sides, but something did not seem right, i saw all this 'they have WMD' but i never saw clear evidence that to me did not seem right.

downquark1 09-01-2004 11:54

Fox News Opinion
 
Here's another opinion:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...Points&ram-300

I can see that he is trying to be fair. But to me, this seems like one hell of a mistake.

WMD or no WMD, if they weren't sure they made a lot of assumptions. Seems like they round 0.1 to 1.

Xaccers 09-01-2004 12:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1
Here's another opinion:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...Points&ram-300

I can see that he is trying to be fair. But to me, this seems like one hell of a mistake.

WMD or no WMD, if they weren't sure they made a lot of assumptions. Seems like they round 0.1 to 1.

But were the mistakes made before it was shown to the politicians?
If they knowingly lied then yes they should go, but if they didn't know the information was wrong, then they acted on it in good faith

etccarmageddon 09-01-2004 12:10

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Ah but he'll use word games to try and get out of having to resign

he already has... when he was in Iraq he called them 'weapons of mass distraction'!

downquark1 09-01-2004 12:14

Re: Fox News Opinion
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
But were the mistakes made before it was shown to the politicians?
If they knowingly lied then yes they should go, but if they didn't know the information was wrong, then they acted on it in good faith

There should be an enquiry into why the intelligence services lied, then. It's their job to present facts, with some opinions. I find it hard to believe they said they were sure of the WMD when it's clear they didn't know enough. Seems more likely to me that they presented possibilities and suspicions and the politicians turned these to certainties.

If it wasn't the politicians it was the Intel services that lied, either way there are serious consequences.

Xaccers 09-01-2004 12:29

Re: Fox News Opinion
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1
There should be an enquiry into why the intelligence services lied, then. It's their job to present facts, with some opinions. I find it hard to believe they said they were sure of the WMD when it's clear they didn't know enough. Seems more likely to me that they presented possibilities and suspicions and the politicians turned these to certainties.

If it wasn't the politicians it was the Intel services that lied, either way there are serious consequences.

yup, there definitely should.

downquark1 10-01-2004 12:24

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http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...20Word&wvx-300
What is wrong with these people? Saddam said he had no weapons, he let inspectors in they found nothing. Why can't they admit the mistake/lie?

I know it's a good thing he's gone, but they lied about the reasons, do they think this is going to be let go?

yesman 10-01-2004 21:48

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Originally Posted by downquark1
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...20Word&wvx-300
What is wrong with these people? Saddam said he had no weapons, he let inspectors in they found nothing. Why can't they admit the mistake/lie?

I know it's a good thing he's gone, but they lied about the reasons, do they think this is going to be let go?

It looks like they have found something,


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Danish troops have found dozens of mortar rounds buried in Iraq which initial tests show could contain blister gas, the Danish army says.
Here is the full story, maybe Blair and Bush will eventually get off the hook ?

downquark1 10-01-2004 21:55

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Originally Posted by yesman
It looks like they have found something,




Here is the full story, maybe Blair and Bush will eventually get off the hook ?

At risk of sounding biased I highly doubt this counts as Mass destruction. And they certainly were not able to launch in 45 minutes. Although it's the best find so far, IMO this on it own would not have justified the war.

Ramrod 10-01-2004 22:00

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Originally Posted by downquark1
At risk of sounding biased I highly doubt this counts as Mass destruction. And they certainly were not able to launch in 45 minutes. Although it's the best find so far, IMO this on it own would not have justified the war.

Interesting though...

dr wadd 10-01-2004 22:22

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I assume that one of the important questions is whether these are still viable weapons. Having been buried in the desert for 10 years there is the possibility that the active components will have broken down over time. I suspect that a lot of the flag waving, when it happens, will depend on that.

Xaccers 10-01-2004 22:41

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Of course there is the posibility that he managed to move them over to Syria.

Hick 11-01-2004 01:11

Re: WMD threat deliberately misrepresented
 
Whether the WMD's were deliberately represented doesn't really bother me. The outcome, that is the removal of a brutal repressive dictator, is what concerns me. I believe that the outcome justifies the war even if we went in under false pretenses. According to most news sources the Iraqi people on the whole were happy with the removal of Saddam and the ruling party and I wish them good luck in the future and I'm sure we'll give them some of the help that they need to rebuild. Now lets move on :)

Graham 11-01-2004 13:33

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Originally Posted by Hick
The outcome, that is the removal of a brutal repressive dictator, is what concerns me. I believe that the outcome justifies the war even if we went in under false pretenses. [...]Now lets move on :)

Now let's move on and invade any and every other country that has "brutal and repressive dictators" (well, apart from ones like Saudi Arabia because they're our allies) and make the world safe for truth, justice and mom's apple pie...

(Here we go again... :rolleyes: )

Xaccers 11-01-2004 13:36

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Originally Posted by Graham
Now let's move on and invade any and every other country that has "brutal and repressive dictators" (well, apart from ones like Saudi Arabia because they're our allies) and make the world safe for truth, justice and mom's apple pie...

(Here we go again... :rolleyes: )

Or we could try diplomatic pressure first hoping they'll change their ways and try and make things better for their country, whilst acknowledging that this isn't an overnight job and will take many years, just like what's going on with Saudi :D

Diplomatic channels must be tried first (like they were with iraq for the 12 years leading up to the ousting of saddam)

Graham 11-01-2004 18:17

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Diplomatic channels must be tried first (like they were with iraq for the 12 years leading up to the ousting of saddam)

Sorry, how long has the current situation in Saudi been going on? Or China? Or Myanmar? Or the Sudan? Or...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/032800-01.htm

Ramrod 14-01-2004 16:46

Re: WMD threat deliberately misrepresented
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...20Word&wvx-300
What is wrong with these people? Saddam said he had no weapons, he let inspectors in they found nothing. Why can't they admit the mistake/lie?

Thats not exactly how I remember it. He was very obstructive as far as the weapons inspectors were concerned.


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