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Marge 26-12-2003 19:28

Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Father Christmas is bringing me a laptop next week and I want to have this as a wireless connection. Haven't got a clue what to do though :erm:

Currently run XP Pro on my pc and have 600k connection through STB using NIC card.

What do I need to buy and then what do I need to do???

Any ideas/suggestions greatly received - fanx

Indians 26-12-2003 19:40

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You need some way of networking the 2 PC's together, so, I would go for a 'Wireless' router (most also include wired connections), this will go between the STB and your existing PC (using a wired connection), then use the laptop to connect 'wirelessly' to the routers wireless part. Get the 'wired' part up and running first, then attempt the wireless stuff.
You will need some form of wireless connection on the Laptop, some come with it built in (it's NOT Bluetooth BTW, that's different), otherwise buy a PCMCIA Cardbus adapter. I'm sure others will suggest some 'kit' to buy, I can offer my recommendations if needed.

trebor 26-12-2003 19:44

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you need a wireless router and pcmcia card for the laptop if it has not got wireless built in.
do some research here
http://www.usr-emea.com/products/p-n...u.asp?loc=unkg

Marge 26-12-2003 19:49

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trebor
you need a wireless router and pcmcia card for the laptop if it has not got wireless built in.
do some research here
http://www.usr-emea.com/products/p-n...u.asp?loc=unkg


OK, that made no sense at all :cry: dongles and dangles :spin:

Think I'll have to bribe someone to do it for me :naughty:

KingPhoenix 26-12-2003 19:55

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well she doesnt need a wireless router,

Debsy,

The laptop may have a wireless card in it..... if not then the laptop has am expansion port called a pcmcia port... it doesnt relly mean anything other than an expansion port on a laptop (enables you to plug lots of different devices into)

If the laptop doesnt have a wireless card built in, you will need to buy a pcmica wireless card, they are around £30 - £60 depending on what speed what you want etc.... you then need a wirelless card for your desktop PC, again around £30 - £60 depending on the card itself. Then use internet connection sharing (built into all windows)

But you would be better off buying a router if you want to use the laptop without needing the pc on (or anything like that)

Do you know what model latop santa has gotya???

HTH

Indians 26-12-2003 19:57

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this link might be usefull background to networking http://www.netgear.com/education/mentor/0container.htm there are also some other good guides on the Netgear site.....http://www.netgear.com

Marge 26-12-2003 20:00

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Not 100% sure, buying it off a chap at work but cos I am in work tomorrow and all of next week wanted to try and sort stuff out before I got it, so I could just plug in and go. Think I'll just have to be patient and wait till I get it and then holler for help, looks like I've peaked too early :erm:

Indians 26-12-2003 20:11

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KingPhoenix
well she doesnt need a wireless router,

.................................................. .......

But you would be better off buying a router if you want to use the laptop without needing the pc on (or anything like that)

Which would be a wireless router !

I know what your saying KingPhoenix, but, as you were intimating, a more flexible solution, at not much more cost, would be the router route (looks like too many route's in there !),

As you've gathered Debsy42 you need to buy some extra kit, set it up etc. and I'm sure one or two others on here will advise on which kit, best way to set it up etc.

Cyrill666 28-12-2003 15:25

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Hello,

I'm keen to go the wireless router route (!?!) at home, any kit recommendations would be gratefully received.

I have a Terajet connected to my desktop via Ethernet, and my Laptop (Inspiron 5100) connected to the desktop via crossover ethernet.

(sorry for hijacking your thread Debsy42)

Hope you all had a good Christmas

Kind regards,
Cyrill666
:D

Marge 30-12-2003 23:14

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Ok, got my laptop now, in fact sat in bed messing about with it but still no wiser as to the wireless route. Does my main pc have to be on for the laptop to get a connection :spin: ?? I don't really want it to be as it's quite noisy :erm:

Sociable 30-12-2003 23:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Ok, got my laptop now, in fact sat in bed messing about with it but still no wiser as to the wireless route. Does my main pc have to be on for the laptop to get a connection :spin: ?? I don't really want it to be as it's quite noisy :erm:

Answer to that is no but ony if you are using a Router as this will be providing the connection to the Net rather than the main PC.

The Main PC only needs to be on if you are using Connection sharing via the Main PC. :)

EDIT:

Short term you can just plug the cable that usually goes to the PC from the modem into the laptop but you will need to reboot the modem so it ties itself to the card on that rather than the PC then repeat that process when reconnecting the main PC when you want to use that.

Hope that makes sense it's getting late LOL

Marge 30-12-2003 23:29

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Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I have registered the laptop for Broadband and have currently got the cable from the STB plugged in but want it to be a wireless conx. I think I'm over excited :erm:

Sociable 30-12-2003 23:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I have registered the laptop for Broadband and have currently got the cable from the STB plugged in but want it to be a wireless conx. I think I'm over excited :erm:

OK gotcha now. :)

You will need to buy a wireless router which will be fed from the STB.

The laptop and any other PC's can then get their connection by adding a wireless network device to receive the signal from the router. :)

In that case no wires and no need for main PC to be on for the laptop to be connected.

Other advantage is that within reason the laptop will be able to connect anywhere in the house not just tucked up in bed so you will be able to surf while sitting by your olympic sized pool in the garden too. :)

Cyrill666 08-01-2004 13:45

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Hello,

I'm trying trying to achieve the same as you, and I went down this route in the end:

I ordered the 802.11b broadband router from ebuyer. It took a little time to arrive but they did keep me informed so I can't complain. It's a nice piece of kit for the price - it acts as a wireless access point, NAT router and hardwired hub. So essentially I have 3 pieces of kit in 1. Installation was a piece of cake and I had a home wireless network set up with a (hardware firewall to boot) in no time at all. In fact I'm typing this from the living room with router in an upstairs bedroom :D I can now access the internet over my broadband connection from anywhere in the house without having to have my desktop PC switched on all the time. Sorted.

Prices of kit (including VAT) on ebuyer were:

£11.74 - PCMCIA wireless card (quickfind - 52909)
£49.30 - wireless router (quickfind - 51436)

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Cyrill666
:D

handyman 09-01-2004 18:10

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wow thats cheap kit there cyril :shock:

Leeds_Tykes_RFU 12-01-2004 10:08

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I had a belkin router and wanted to go wi-fi so I got a WAP and a card for my laptop. It was all plug-and-play so I just installed the hardware and software and bingo.......NOTHING! After hours and hours of tearing out what little hair i have left I did what I should have done in the first place, and got my my mate (who's a network manager!) to come and set it up for me. So debsy, my advice would be to get a friend who's an IT genius!!! :angel:

Marge 12-01-2004 10:12

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Thank you and welcome to the site :welcome:

Still not sorted it btw :erm:

zovat 12-01-2004 12:30

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Thank you and welcome to the site :welcome:

Still not sorted it btw :erm:


Ok - quick summary and simple solution for you..

get a wireless router (see cyril666's post for a cheap one) and a PCMCIA card for the laptop.

when the router arrives - switch off the CM and plug it into the (switched off) router (if you have STB just substitue STB for CM ;) )

switch on the router and plug your PC into the wired connection, then connect to it via a browser (the address will be somethinh like 192.168.1.1 - but it should be in the manual) - there will be a bit in the menu on cloning the MAC address - what you need to do is tell the router to pretend it has the MAC address of your laptop...

once that is done - power off the router, then power up the CM - once the CM has connected - power up the router....

you should now have a connection via the router, if you set your pc and laptop up to use dhcp, when you power them on, the router will set the IP address and routing correctly. At this point, all being well, you have a working and flexible network... :D

(as a point of note - you may not have to clone the MAC address for the router - it depends on whether NTL have tied the CM to your MAC - in most cases, ntl have set up the network so that you should just get a different IP address if you plug in a different device...)


HTH

Sipowicz 13-01-2004 00:18

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I have my home network sort of working! I have a Netgear Wireless Router (11.g) with the main PC connection; Netgear Wireless adaptor (11.g) in the wife's PC downstairs; Belkin (11.g) Cardbus adaptor for the Laptop. My PC and the wife's share the internet no problem, but we can't share files or see each others pc! (I have enabled file sharing and run the wizard in XP Pro dozens of times, with no effect) I bought the card for the Laptop, as I intend using the laptop as a storage device for my Digital Camera when away from home, and transfer the images via the network and then archive to CD/DVD when I am at home. The problem I have is that although the Laptop and it's card can see the SSID for the "homenetwork" (just as the others do!) but cannoy connect! With the PC card, I have the option of assigning encryption keys (4) to enable connection, but when I try it with the cardbus in the laptop I only have 1 option, but none of the "keys" work with it!

Not wanting to put Debsy off of her "network" but is this a network problem, or me being thick as 2 short ones? My money is on the latter.

Hector's House 16-01-2004 10:38

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I've got my linksys wireless router attached via cable to my pc (xp pro) downstairs and via wireless usb adaptor to my pc (98se still not had the courage to overwrite it with 2k) upstairs working fine, mainly due to the advice from the people on this forum.
However what I want to do is connect the pc downstairs via a pci wireless card. From the quick start guide it looks as easy as plugging the card in and running the software wizard/drivers.
My questions are:

Is it that easy?

On the pc upstairs the network type is set to "Infrastructure" as it is connected to a wired network, I assume I will have to change this to adhoc is that right?

Can I use the cable I received with the router to connect it to the stb rather than the cable provided by ntl?

thanks in advance

SMHarman 16-01-2004 10:58

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bit more post hijacking -

Anyone recommend a good wireless router thingamybob that would also allow you to attach two printers to it (both have USB and || connections) so the printers can be used if the desktop PC (to which they are currently connected) is switched off.

Can you set up outlook express to look to a network location for the pst files (or whatever they are) so you could collect / write mail from a desktop and a laptop, but it would be visible to both?

Shaun 16-01-2004 16:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman
Can you set up outlook express to look to a network location for the pst files (or whatever they are) so you could collect / write mail from a desktop and a laptop, but it would be visible to both?


I'd like to know that too ;)

Jon T 16-01-2004 17:18

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as a reply to the outlook express/network query, check this link out: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Marge 09-02-2004 23:44

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Update to this, have now ordered my stuff to go wireless on a recommendation (you know who you are so if it doesn't work I know where you sit ;)

Should be arriving next week so I'll post how I go on with it, wish me luck :erm:

Sociable 09-02-2004 23:48

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Good Luck !!!!!

Proppinupthebar 09-02-2004 23:50

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Good luck, but wireless rocks !

Three laptops and two IPAQs share my wireless, along with two desktops (now pretty much unused!).

Get to know about WEP, SSID hiding, and MAC address filtering to make your network as secure as possible.

Stuartbe 09-02-2004 23:53

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Good luck, but wireless rocks !

Three laptops and two IPAQs share my wireless, along with two desktops (now pretty much unused!).

Get to know about WEP, SSID hiding, and MAC address filtering to make your network as secure as possible.

Belkin 54g access point on its own vlan. 128bit wep connected to radias server with mac filtering and ssid withheld.... ip sec on all devices.....

I think I will be o.k. :D

Marge 09-02-2004 23:54

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Good luck, but wireless rocks !

Three laptops and two IPAQs share my wireless, along with two desktops (now pretty much unused!).

Get to know about WEP, SSID hiding, and MAC address filtering to make your network as secure as possible.

:rolleyes: blah blah wtf blah blah

hope it doesn't involve any maths proppin :erm:

I'm hoping to plug in and it works instantly :D

Sociable 09-02-2004 23:57

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:rolleyes: blah blah wtf blah blah

hope it doesn't involve any maths proppin :erm:

I'm hoping to plug in and it works instantly :D

Hey you asked for luck if you want a miracle I have to have at least three more cups of java and fattie LOL

Stuartbe 09-02-2004 23:58

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:rolleyes: blah blah wtf blah blah

hope it doesn't involve any maths proppin :erm:

I'm hoping to plug in and it works instantly :D

Dont worry Debsy42.... Its all cool :cool:

Its like any wireless system... If its secure its cool....

When I first moved into my new flat there was a wally in the block running a router with no security.... I though about using the connection for dodgey stuff but I decided to netsend to him..... We are the best of m8's now.......

Trouble is - Every time his pc goes wrong he comes round :cry:

Proppinupthebar 09-02-2004 23:58

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:rolleyes: blah blah wtf blah blah

hope it doesn't involve any maths proppin :erm:

I'm hoping to plug in and it works instantly :D

It will, but it will then be available to everyone who wants to use your connection. Do a google search on War Driving.
Good luck, but its not really too difficult, and no theres no maths!!!!

Marge 10-02-2004 00:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
It will, but it will then be available to everyone who wants to use your connection. Do a google search on War Driving.
Good luck, but its not really too difficult, and no theres no maths!!!!

War Driving, I'm going wireless not joining the TA :eek:

Have already repped you Proppin, think I've got the maths sorted now ;)

Sipowicz 10-02-2004 00:03

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Good luck, but wireless rocks !

Three laptops and two IPAQs share my wireless, along with two desktops (now pretty much unused!).

Get to know about WEP, SSID hiding, and MAC address filtering to make your network as secure as possible.

Eventually got the Wireless card on the Laptop to work, but what is this SSID hiding, and how can I do it? (The reason I ask is that the wife got a knock from a neighbour who told her that we "were broadcasting on the internet" - our surname is in the SSID, that's how she knew it was us! I was in the middle of a Headteacher selection panel mtg at the time, and got "beeped" :eek: . When I eventually got home, I showed her that our neighbours were doing the same i.e "broadcasting" their SSID! Our WEP is set at 128 encryption!!)

Marge 10-02-2004 00:05

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
what is this SSID hiding, and how can I do it?

I need a cup of coffee and a jaffa cake cos my head has gone :spin:

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 00:06

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
Eventually got the Wireless card on the Laptop to work, but what is this SSID hiding, and how can I do it? (The reason I ask is that the wife got a knock from a neighbour who told her that we "were broadcasting on the internet" - our surname is in the SSID, that's how she knew it was us! I was in the middle of a Headteacher selection panel mtg at the time, and got "beeped" :eek: . When I eventually got home, I showed her that our neighbours were doing the same i.e "broadcasting" their SSID! Our WEP is set at 128 encryption!!)

Most roters or access points have an option of hiding the SSID....

You should have this enabled after you have set up your network...

The SSID is like a workgroup or domain name - withholding it makes it more tricky to join your network.... Not imposible though...... Glad to see you are using wep. :D

Proppinupthebar 10-02-2004 00:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
Eventually got the Wireless card on the Laptop to work, but what is this SSID hiding, and how can I do it? (The reason I ask is that the wife got a knock from a neighbour who told her that we "were broadcasting on the internet" - our surname is in the SSID, that's how she knew it was us! I was in the middle of a Headteacher selection panel mtg at the time, and got "beeped" :eek: . When I eventually got home, I showed her that our neighbours were doing the same i.e "broadcasting" their SSID! Our WEP is set at 128 encryption!!)

It will be an option on your AP if its available. If you change it and then hide it, you will have to manually change each of your PC's to the new hidden SSDI as well.

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 00:08

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
I need a cup of coffee and a jaffa cake cos my head has gone :spin:

Have a nice big glass of wine...... Works for me :D

Marge 10-02-2004 00:20

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Have a nice big glass of wine...... Works for me :D

I would normally (and have bottle in fridge) but have to be up at 6.30 am to drive to work so just chomping through Jaffas now :)

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 00:22

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
I would normally (and have bottle in fridge) but have to be up at 6.30 am to drive to work so just chomping through Jaffas now :)

I take it you mean jaffa cakes :D - Can you email me one please :)

Xaccers 10-02-2004 00:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
I take it you mean jaffa cakes :D - Can you email me one please :)

With debs, you never know...

Marge 10-02-2004 00:26

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For being very helpful http://www27.brinkster.com/stgregs/x...utme/jaffa.jpg

and I know who to go running to when I make a right harry halls of it :D

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers
With debs, you never know...

I wish she could... Have not had any dinner tonight...

Sipowicz 10-02-2004 00:56

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
I need a cup of coffee and a jaffa cake cos my head has gone :spin:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm McVities Chocolate Digestive Caramels for me (and strong cup of Yorkshire Tea!)

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 00:59

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm McVities Chocolate Digestive Caramels for me (and strong cup of Yorkshire Tea!)

Now there is a man I can relate to... Yorkshire rules...

Born in washinborough myself near canwick - You ???

Marge 10-02-2004 01:02

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm McVities Chocolate Digestive Caramels for me (and strong cup of Yorkshire Tea!)

Going completely :notopic: here but are they nice?? They had some in the shop and I had to resort to doing the old "ibb dibb dog sh*t I think you're it" to decide which biccies to get :erm:

Actually not competely off topic I suppose cos the Jaffa Cakes gave me the strength to search for my wireless stuff :D

I think it's time for me to go to bed before I completely lose the plot :spin:

Proppinupthebar 10-02-2004 01:05

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Now there is a man I can relate to... Yorkshire rules...

Born in washinborough myself near canwick - You ???

A Doncastrian here. Spent 9 years in Huddersfield as well. I miss Gods own County.

Stuartbe 10-02-2004 01:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
A Doncastrian here. Spent 9 years in Huddersfield as well. I miss Gods own County.

Me too....

Nothing like the decent food in yorkshire... My grandma makes a mean yorkshire pudding... :)

P.S. Fell in the River Witham twice.


I Know - I Know .... Back on topic admin's :D

Sipowicz 10-02-2004 01:15

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Now there is a man I can relate to... Yorkshire rules...

Born in washinborough myself near canwick - You ???

Sorry; a Londoner born and bred, but I am partial to the countryside. Indeed I live in outer Cambs! But the best Tea and Coffee (Cafe Imperial) come from Taylor's of Harrogate! :cool:

Sipowicz 10-02-2004 01:17

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Going completely :notopic: here but are they nice?? They had some in the shop and I had to resort to doing the old "ibb dibb dog sh*t I think you're it" to decide which biccies to get :erm:

Actually not competely off topic I suppose cos the Jaffa Cakes gave me the strength to search for my wireless stuff :D

I think it's time for me to go to bed before I completely lose the plot :spin:

Sorry Debsy, but a nice cuppa and a biscuit often help with PC problems (no crumbs inside the PC tho') Try The digestive Caramels, you won't be disappointed. (big respect for the Jaffa and don't forget the jammie dodger)

Marge 10-02-2004 01:28

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipowicz
Sorry Debsy, but a nice cuppa and a biscuit often help with PC problems (no crumbs inside the PC tho') Try The digestive Caramels, you won't be disappointed. (big respect for the Jaffa and don't forget the jammie dodger)

Ok, I'll buy some tomm and take them in work and see what the troops say

now back on topic honest :D

how long do you think it should/could take me to set this up and get it running :shrug:

Sipowicz 11-02-2004 18:50

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Ok, I'll buy some tomm and take them in work and see what the troops say

Well? what did you (and the troops) think of them? :wavey:

Marge 11-02-2004 19:04

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Gormless Harry here forget, Friday I will for sure

DrAwesome 13-02-2004 20:10

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
just chomping through Jaffas now :)

You will have to watch that hourglass figure of yours

Marge 17-02-2004 23:39

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Well, wish me luck, the stuff is arriving tomorrow so I'm going to have a bash :tu:

Hopefully should get it running but I can see me launching the lot in the bin if I don't :banghead:

(and still not remembered those biccies :blush: )

Stuartbe 17-02-2004 23:40

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Well, wish me luck, the stuff is arriving tomorrow so I'm going to have a bash :tu:

Hopefully should get it running but I can see me launching the lot in the bin if I don't

(and still not remember thos biccies :blush: )

Good luck - If you need any help give me a shout Debsy :)

Proppinupthebar 17-02-2004 23:42

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Its not that bad!! I don't normally have anything to do with network stuff and I still got there.

Start off simple, get the computers talking and then add the encryption etc.

Stuartbe 17-02-2004 23:47

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Its not that bad!! I don't normally have anything to do with network stuff and I still got there.

Start off simple, get the computers talking and then add the encryption etc.

Good advice m8 :)

Dont forget the WEP and the mac filtering when you are up and running debsy !!!!

Marge 17-02-2004 23:50

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Well, I think I've got a problem before I start :cry:

Cos I don't use my old pc now I've lent my mouse, keyboard and monitor to my friend so only got the tower left. Will I be able to set it up via my lappy or am I on the road to nowhere?

Proppinupthebar 17-02-2004 23:52

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Does it have an ethernet port? If so then no probs if not then issues.

Stuartbe 17-02-2004 23:52

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Well, I think I've got a problem before I start :cry:

Cos I don't use my old pc now I've lent my mouse, keyboard and monitor to my friend so only got the tower left. Will I be able to set it up via my lappy or am I on the road to nowhere?

Sorry m8 - Unless you have a nice copy of winvnc running you are going to need a keyboard, mouse and monitor...

Cant you connect it to your perifs. for now ?

Marge 18-02-2004 00:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Does it have an ethernet port? If so then no probs if not then issues.

Yeah it has, quite looking forward to this now, crash course in wireless networking :D

course I just know I'm going to be sobbing on here tomorrow offering amounts of money to people to come round and sort it out for me :rofl:

Proppinupthebar 18-02-2004 00:05

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Yeah it has, quite looking forward to this now, crash course in wireless networking :D

course I just know I'm going to be sobbing on here tomorrow offering amounts of money to people to come round and sort it out for me :rofl:

Stuarts definitely better off at advising you, I only know what I picked up in setting up my network, his network is bigger and more advanced (protection wise) than mine.

Stu, am I missing something? Why cant she use the laptop to initially set up the hardware using ethernet?

Shaun 18-02-2004 00:21

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
My cards arrive tomorrow and the new PC comes next week, so I'll be watching your thread with anticipation Debs, if you have any tips in the end let me know :)

Marge 18-02-2004 01:01

Re: Help with Wireless Connection needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dellwear
My cards arrive tomorrow and the new PC comes next week, so I'll be watching your thread with anticipation Debs, if you have any tips in the end let me know :)

Dell, don't look to me for inspiration please :rofl: :rofl:

I will be the example of what NOT to do :erm:

Marge 18-02-2004 15:13

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OK my stuff has just arrived, delivered by a Jim Royle look-a-like :eek:

Anyone whos any good stay around please as I probably will need help, thanks :tu:

Stuartbe, that includes you :D

Stuartbe 18-02-2004 15:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
OK my stuff has just arrived, delivered by a Jim Royle look-a-like :eek:

Anyone whos any good stay around please as I probably will need help, thanks :tu:

You knight in shining armour is here and awaiting your command mylady (dont tell the wife though)

If you need me give me shout.

Marge 18-02-2004 15:30

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:cry: :cry: :cry:

I think I need my monitor etc damm blast cos I ain't getting nowhere, my laptop has installed the new card no problem but need to set the network up on the tower not laptop

Stuartbe 18-02-2004 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:cry: :cry: :cry:

I think I need my monitor etc damm blast cos I ain't getting nowhere, my laptop has installed the new card no problem but need to set the network up on the tower not laptop

Debsy... Can you give me a bit more info on what you are trying to do. Are you using the router for internet access or the pc as a gateway...

How many clients / servers ect....

The more info the better :)

I am not 100% sure on what it is that you want to do !

handyman 18-02-2004 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:cry: :cry: :cry:

I think I need my monitor etc damm blast cos I ain't getting nowhere, my laptop has installed the new card no problem but need to set the network up on the tower not laptop

Are you still having problems with that debs? Feel free to grab me :erm: on msn if u need a hand.

Marge 18-02-2004 15:52

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I'm going out to borrow a monitor etc from friend, what a bluddy nightmare :cry:

Back later, hopefully will have managed to sort :tu:

Marge 18-02-2004 18:39

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STUARTBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE

HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEE

Proppinupthebar 18-02-2004 18:40

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Going well then !!

Marge 18-02-2004 18:40

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Hiya Proppin :wavey:

Sociable 18-02-2004 18:46

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Feel free to call on me for any emotional support Debs but sorry on this one I'm about as much use technically as a pork sarnie at a Jewish wedding. LOL

Proppinupthebar 18-02-2004 18:51

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Whats up? I'll try to help.

Stuartbe 18-02-2004 18:57

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Originally Posted by Proppinupthebar
Going well then !!

Whats up debsy ????

Marge 18-02-2004 19:01

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Originally Posted by stuartbe
Whats up debsy ????

Don't faint but I think I've managed to sort it :erm:

Just need to check but looking good :tu:

Stuartbe 18-02-2004 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Don't faint but I think I've managed to sort it :erm:

Just need to check but looking good :tu:

Exelent.... What was the problem ?

Marge 19-02-2004 00:14

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WELL what can I say without boring everyone to tears

except

STUARTBE YOU ARE THE DADDY :wavey: :kiss: :tu: :) :D

I'd managed to install the new card onto my laptop, no problem, sorted out the cables (after putting them in the wrong way round :erm: ) on the router, everything fine on the old pc which could get on the net but nothing on the laptop..........

Two very long phone calls with Stuartbe (sorry LesleyAnn) checking everything and the kitchen sink, swopping my cordless phone for a corded cos that was affecting the signal and it turns out to be something and nothing :eek:

Now happily surfing the net wirelessly now to my hearts content and I can't thank Stuartbe and LesleyAnn enough. I just didn't know where I was going wrong and was getting fed up. This chap has proved that there are still nice people left in the world who are happy to help. I have repped accordingly and if anyone reading this feels like repping Stu too I am sure he would appreciate it !!

Dell, in the end it's not too difficult get wireless but after my experience if you do have any problems people are great at helping, long live this site :tu:

Thanks to everyone else for offers of help too :tu:

Stuartbe 19-02-2004 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
WELL what can I say without boring everyone to tears

except

STUARTBE YOU ARE THE DADDY :wavey: :kiss: :tu: :) :D

I'd managed to install the new card onto my laptop, no problem, sorted out the cables (after putting them in the wrong way round :erm: ) on the router, everything fine on the old pc which could get on the net but nothing on the laptop..........

Two very long phone calls with Stuartbe (sorry LesleyAnn) checking everything and the kitchen sink, swopping my cordless phone for a corded cos that was affecting the signal and it turns out to be something and nothing :eek:

Now happily surfing the net wirelessly now to my hearts content and I can't thank Stuartbe and LesleyAnn enough. I just didn't know where I was going wrong and was getting fed up. This chap has proved that there are still nice people left in the world who are happy to help. I have repped accordingly and if anyone reading this feels like repping Stu too I am sure he would appreciate it !!

Dell, in the end it's not too difficult get wireless but after my experience if you do have any problems people are great at helping, long live this site :tu:

Thanks to everyone else for offers of help too :tu:

Thanks for the compliment debsy ... I am glad that you are sorted out and running.....

When you want to set up the wep and mac filter give me a shout :)

Did your freind mind the loss of the monitor for all that time ? :D

Stuartbe 19-02-2004 11:48

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I forgot to ask Debsy ......

Do you still want to use zone alarm as we removed its keys from the registery you will have a problem starting it. If you want to use it then you need to uninstall and then reinstall it. Make sure that you set both zones to low if you do....

Or you could try the Kerio firewall we spoke about...

Stuartbe 19-02-2004 19:59

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I am getting a bit worried now !!!!

Since we fixed the wireless network Debsy42 has not been online....

Are you still out there Debsy ?? :)

Talk to me - PLEASE !!!!!!!

Marge 19-02-2004 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
I am getting a bit worried now !!!!

Since we fixed the wireless network Debsy42 has not been online....

Are you still out there Debsy ?? :)

Talk to me - PLEASE !!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

Sorry Chuck, just got home from work and yay yay yay wireless is going like a rocket, once again Mr Fantastic you are the Daddy :tu: :tu: :tu:

Stuartbe 19-02-2004 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
:rofl: :rofl:

Sorry Chuck, just got home from work and yay yay yay wireless is going like a rocket, once again Mr Fantastic you are the Daddy :tu: :tu: :tu:

Phew ..... I thought that you had lost your rag and sent the cable modem out the window (with it shut) :D

smurph 05-03-2004 09:25

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Arrived late to this party.....I've just got my Linksys based wireless network set up. Everything is working smooth as silk. Two quick questions -

1) SSID hiding - the router set up screens says that SSID broadcasting is disabled, but the wireless adaptor software on my PC's can still see the SSID on a site survey, but only with a valid wireless connection to the router. Can I take it this is normal behaviour?

2) The router has stealthed all my ports, even port 113 with a bit of shifty port-forwarding. Do you guys think it is really necessary to hold onto a software firewall (I'm using Norton 2003 at the mo, it's a resource hog). I am always very careful to avoid viri and spyware anyhow.....

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 09:33

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I know this is a bit ot - but it is related a little bit :)

I managed to get my wireless up and running ok - I've got the wep and mac filter on - which is nice....

Now it's a small thing - but every few mins I get a pop up on the task bar telling me my signal strength - it's a tad irritating.

I don't suppose anyone knows how to get it to go away?

I'm on winXP home here (at least until I get my new 80gb notebook drive)

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 09:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smurph
Arrived late to this party.....I've just got my Linksys based wireless network set up. Everything is working smooth as silk. Two quick questions -

1) SSID hiding - the router set up screens says that SSID broadcasting is disabled, but the wireless adaptor software on my PC's can still see the SSID on a site survey, but only with a valid wireless connection to the router. Can I take it this is normal behaviour?

2) The router has stealthed all my ports, even port 113 with a bit of shifty port-forwarding. Do you guys think it is really necessary to hold onto a software firewall (I'm using Norton 2003 at the mo, it's a resource hog). I am always very careful to avoid viri and spyware anyhow.....

1. some site surveys can pick up the ssid with wep disabled. Make sure you enable wep or wpa if you have the function. Use mac filtering to secure the network from unauthorised connections. The client will know the ssid as you will have entered this manualy. Without the ssid the card cant talk to the network.

2. you dont need a firewall when you are behind the router but it is a good idea for aplication control. For example setting zone alarm to its lowest security will just control applications that access the internet and not give any firewall type protection. I would recomend that you ditch norton and go with Zone alarm or Kerio personal firewall. Both use far less ram than norton when running.

HTH

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 09:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I know this is a bit ot - but it is related a little bit :)

I managed to get my wireless up and running ok - I've got the wep and mac filter on - which is nice....

Now it's a small thing - but every few mins I get a pop up on the task bar telling me my signal strength - it's a tad irritating.

I don't suppose anyone knows how to get it to go away?

I'm on winXP home here (at least until I get my new 80gb notebook drive)

Hi m8...

ARe you using the XP wireless client or the card makers own one ?

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 09:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Hi m8...

ARe you using the XP wireless client or the card makers own one ?

I am using XP's own one.

It's a belkin wireless card. Of the .b variety.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 10:19

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I am using XP's own one.

It's a belkin wireless card. Of the .b variety.

Will have to check the XP one when I get home... I have a couple of pcmcia Belkin 54g cards and one pci card. I have never got the signal strenght popup. Is the signal weak where you are using the laptop ?

rdhw 05-03-2004 10:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
every few mins I get a pop up on the task bar telling me my signal strength - it's a tad irritating.

This normally only occurs when XP recovers from having lost the signal. Is it losing the signal that frequently?

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Will have to check the XP one when I get home... I have a couple of pcmcia Belkin 54g cards and one pci card. I have never got the signal strenght popup. Is the signal weak where you are using the laptop ?

I get a 'very good' signal all the time.

The belkin util tells me it's about %74 if that's any help.

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rdhw
This normally only occurs when XP recovers from having lost the signal. Is it losing the signal that frequently?

It's not cut me off or anything.... Last night while I was down in the living room it was connected without problems for about 5 hours.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 10:30

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If you are connecting via the router make sure you select " infrastructure mode " only and not auto....

Make sure that the belkin util is not loading as well as the xp one as this can cause conflicts. The belkin tray util loads from the registry. You can use msconfig to turn it of or remove the key from hkeylocalmachine\software\currentversion\windows\r un

The filename is something like btwtray.exe

HTH

dilli-theclaw 05-03-2004 12:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
If you are connecting via the router make sure you select " infrastructure mode " only and not auto....

Make sure that the belkin util is not loading as well as the xp one as this can cause conflicts. The belkin tray util loads from the registry. You can use msconfig to turn it of or remove the key from hkeylocalmachine\software\currentversion\windows\r un

The filename is something like btwtray.exe

HTH

Thanks for that - I will try when I get home... Just about to go out with the family :)

smurph 05-03-2004 12:20

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Thanks Stuartbe!! -

Another question - How to enable Mac Filtering. I understand it will only allow my equipment to connect to the router even if someone hacks the SSID and WEP encryption codes. There are two options on the router config screens, but they are not intuitive. Nor is the manual very helpful.....

1)Private MAC filter - I tried adding the MAC address's of the computers and the router here. This resulted in loss of my internet connection, but not the connection between the computers and the router....any ideas.

2)Station MAC filter - I'm not sure about this one.....

Thanks in advance

Smurph

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 12:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smurph
Thanks Stuartbe!! -

Another question - How to enable Mac Filtering. I understand it will only allow my equipment to connect to the router even if someone hacks the SSID and WEP encryption codes. There are two options on the router config screens, but they are not intuitive. Nor is the manual very helpful.....

1)Private MAC filter - I tried adding the MAC address's of the computers and the router here. This resulted in loss of my internet connection, but not the connection between the computers and the router....any ideas.

2)Station MAC filter - I'm not sure about this one.....

Thanks in advance

Smurph

Can you let me know the make and model of the router + the firmware ver. - and I will check it out for you.

smurph 05-03-2004 12:26

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Linksys BEFW11S4, firmware version 1.44.3 18/2/2003.

Thanks again.

Stuartbe 05-03-2004 12:38

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Hmmmm. the user guide is as clear as mud - I see what you mean.....

Can you do a screenshot of the two section for me....

It looks like the station mac is the wan mac !!!

BTW - you should not need to put the routers mac address in the filter only the wired and wireless clients.

snodvan 05-03-2004 12:50

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Good thread this one but my head is going round and round with all the acronyms and funny terminology. Remember - I qualify for a bus pass ie bit long in the tooth. I am technically somewhere around Post 10 from Debsy but with no real objection to having the main machine switched on as well as a laptop.

What I have is a 2Ghz main machine now fitted with a Belkin 802.11b card+mini ariel (presume that is OK) and a 3GHz laptop with an 11Mbit/s wireless LAN card also 802.11b. Both on XP Home. I have loaded the software that came with the Belkin thing and now have a screen icon, and the software for the laptop was already loaded when purchased. SOMEHOW I have now to get these things to talk to each other. Any clues folks? We will takle all this security stuff (sounds heavy but is clearly important) once I have the laptop through to the web.

Part of that contact is clearly going to be setting up IE and Outlook with all the appropriate connection settings. I remember doing that ages ago but no longer remember what I did - and anyway there was someone by my shoulder giving propmpts. I am going to need help again.


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