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Father Christmas is bringing me a laptop next week and I want to have this as a wireless connection. Haven't got a clue what to do though :erm:
Currently run XP Pro on my pc and have 600k connection through STB using NIC card. What do I need to buy and then what do I need to do??? Any ideas/suggestions greatly received - fanx |
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You need some way of networking the 2 PC's together, so, I would go for a 'Wireless' router (most also include wired connections), this will go between the STB and your existing PC (using a wired connection), then use the laptop to connect 'wirelessly' to the routers wireless part. Get the 'wired' part up and running first, then attempt the wireless stuff.
You will need some form of wireless connection on the Laptop, some come with it built in (it's NOT Bluetooth BTW, that's different), otherwise buy a PCMCIA Cardbus adapter. I'm sure others will suggest some 'kit' to buy, I can offer my recommendations if needed. |
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you need a wireless router and pcmcia card for the laptop if it has not got wireless built in.
do some research here http://www.usr-emea.com/products/p-n...u.asp?loc=unkg |
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OK, that made no sense at all :cry: dongles and dangles :spin: Think I'll have to bribe someone to do it for me :naughty: |
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well she doesnt need a wireless router,
Debsy, The laptop may have a wireless card in it..... if not then the laptop has am expansion port called a pcmcia port... it doesnt relly mean anything other than an expansion port on a laptop (enables you to plug lots of different devices into) If the laptop doesnt have a wireless card built in, you will need to buy a pcmica wireless card, they are around £30 - £60 depending on what speed what you want etc.... you then need a wirelless card for your desktop PC, again around £30 - £60 depending on the card itself. Then use internet connection sharing (built into all windows) But you would be better off buying a router if you want to use the laptop without needing the pc on (or anything like that) Do you know what model latop santa has gotya??? HTH |
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this link might be usefull background to networking http://www.netgear.com/education/mentor/0container.htm there are also some other good guides on the Netgear site.....http://www.netgear.com
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Not 100% sure, buying it off a chap at work but cos I am in work tomorrow and all of next week wanted to try and sort stuff out before I got it, so I could just plug in and go. Think I'll just have to be patient and wait till I get it and then holler for help, looks like I've peaked too early :erm:
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I know what your saying KingPhoenix, but, as you were intimating, a more flexible solution, at not much more cost, would be the router route (looks like too many route's in there !), As you've gathered Debsy42 you need to buy some extra kit, set it up etc. and I'm sure one or two others on here will advise on which kit, best way to set it up etc. |
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I'm keen to go the wireless router route (!?!) at home, any kit recommendations would be gratefully received. I have a Terajet connected to my desktop via Ethernet, and my Laptop (Inspiron 5100) connected to the desktop via crossover ethernet. (sorry for hijacking your thread Debsy42) Hope you all had a good Christmas Kind regards, Cyrill666 :D |
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Ok, got my laptop now, in fact sat in bed messing about with it but still no wiser as to the wireless route. Does my main pc have to be on for the laptop to get a connection :spin: ?? I don't really want it to be as it's quite noisy :erm:
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The Main PC only needs to be on if you are using Connection sharing via the Main PC. :) EDIT: Short term you can just plug the cable that usually goes to the PC from the modem into the laptop but you will need to reboot the modem so it ties itself to the card on that rather than the PC then repeat that process when reconnecting the main PC when you want to use that. Hope that makes sense it's getting late LOL |
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I have registered the laptop for Broadband and have currently got the cable from the STB plugged in but want it to be a wireless conx. I think I'm over excited :erm:
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You will need to buy a wireless router which will be fed from the STB. The laptop and any other PC's can then get their connection by adding a wireless network device to receive the signal from the router. :) In that case no wires and no need for main PC to be on for the laptop to be connected. Other advantage is that within reason the laptop will be able to connect anywhere in the house not just tucked up in bed so you will be able to surf while sitting by your olympic sized pool in the garden too. :) |
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I'm trying trying to achieve the same as you, and I went down this route in the end: I ordered the 802.11b broadband router from ebuyer. It took a little time to arrive but they did keep me informed so I can't complain. It's a nice piece of kit for the price - it acts as a wireless access point, NAT router and hardwired hub. So essentially I have 3 pieces of kit in 1. Installation was a piece of cake and I had a home wireless network set up with a (hardware firewall to boot) in no time at all. In fact I'm typing this from the living room with router in an upstairs bedroom :D I can now access the internet over my broadband connection from anywhere in the house without having to have my desktop PC switched on all the time. Sorted. Prices of kit (including VAT) on ebuyer were: £11.74 - PCMCIA wireless card (quickfind - 52909) £49.30 - wireless router (quickfind - 51436) Hope this helps. Kind regards, Cyrill666 :D |
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wow thats cheap kit there cyril :shock:
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I had a belkin router and wanted to go wi-fi so I got a WAP and a card for my laptop. It was all plug-and-play so I just installed the hardware and software and bingo.......NOTHING! After hours and hours of tearing out what little hair i have left I did what I should have done in the first place, and got my my mate (who's a network manager!) to come and set it up for me. So debsy, my advice would be to get a friend who's an IT genius!!! :angel:
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Thank you and welcome to the site :welcome:
Still not sorted it btw :erm: |
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Ok - quick summary and simple solution for you.. get a wireless router (see cyril666's post for a cheap one) and a PCMCIA card for the laptop. when the router arrives - switch off the CM and plug it into the (switched off) router (if you have STB just substitue STB for CM ;) ) switch on the router and plug your PC into the wired connection, then connect to it via a browser (the address will be somethinh like 192.168.1.1 - but it should be in the manual) - there will be a bit in the menu on cloning the MAC address - what you need to do is tell the router to pretend it has the MAC address of your laptop... once that is done - power off the router, then power up the CM - once the CM has connected - power up the router.... you should now have a connection via the router, if you set your pc and laptop up to use dhcp, when you power them on, the router will set the IP address and routing correctly. At this point, all being well, you have a working and flexible network... :D (as a point of note - you may not have to clone the MAC address for the router - it depends on whether NTL have tied the CM to your MAC - in most cases, ntl have set up the network so that you should just get a different IP address if you plug in a different device...) HTH |
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I have my home network sort of working! I have a Netgear Wireless Router (11.g) with the main PC connection; Netgear Wireless adaptor (11.g) in the wife's PC downstairs; Belkin (11.g) Cardbus adaptor for the Laptop. My PC and the wife's share the internet no problem, but we can't share files or see each others pc! (I have enabled file sharing and run the wizard in XP Pro dozens of times, with no effect) I bought the card for the Laptop, as I intend using the laptop as a storage device for my Digital Camera when away from home, and transfer the images via the network and then archive to CD/DVD when I am at home. The problem I have is that although the Laptop and it's card can see the SSID for the "homenetwork" (just as the others do!) but cannoy connect! With the PC card, I have the option of assigning encryption keys (4) to enable connection, but when I try it with the cardbus in the laptop I only have 1 option, but none of the "keys" work with it!
Not wanting to put Debsy off of her "network" but is this a network problem, or me being thick as 2 short ones? My money is on the latter. |
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I've got my linksys wireless router attached via cable to my pc (xp pro) downstairs and via wireless usb adaptor to my pc (98se still not had the courage to overwrite it with 2k) upstairs working fine, mainly due to the advice from the people on this forum.
However what I want to do is connect the pc downstairs via a pci wireless card. From the quick start guide it looks as easy as plugging the card in and running the software wizard/drivers. My questions are: Is it that easy? On the pc upstairs the network type is set to "Infrastructure" as it is connected to a wired network, I assume I will have to change this to adhoc is that right? Can I use the cable I received with the router to connect it to the stb rather than the cable provided by ntl? thanks in advance |
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bit more post hijacking -
Anyone recommend a good wireless router thingamybob that would also allow you to attach two printers to it (both have USB and || connections) so the printers can be used if the desktop PC (to which they are currently connected) is switched off. Can you set up outlook express to look to a network location for the pst files (or whatever they are) so you could collect / write mail from a desktop and a laptop, but it would be visible to both? |
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I'd like to know that too ;) |
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as a reply to the outlook express/network query, check this link out: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml
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Update to this, have now ordered my stuff to go wireless on a recommendation (you know who you are so if it doesn't work I know where you sit ;)
Should be arriving next week so I'll post how I go on with it, wish me luck :erm: |
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Good Luck !!!!!
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Good luck, but wireless rocks !
Three laptops and two IPAQs share my wireless, along with two desktops (now pretty much unused!). Get to know about WEP, SSID hiding, and MAC address filtering to make your network as secure as possible. |
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I think I will be o.k. :D |
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hope it doesn't involve any maths proppin :erm: I'm hoping to plug in and it works instantly :D |
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Its like any wireless system... If its secure its cool.... When I first moved into my new flat there was a wally in the block running a router with no security.... I though about using the connection for dodgey stuff but I decided to netsend to him..... We are the best of m8's now....... Trouble is - Every time his pc goes wrong he comes round :cry: |
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Good luck, but its not really too difficult, and no theres no maths!!!! |
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Have already repped you Proppin, think I've got the maths sorted now ;) |
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You should have this enabled after you have set up your network... The SSID is like a workgroup or domain name - withholding it makes it more tricky to join your network.... Not imposible though...... Glad to see you are using wep. :D |
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For being very helpful http://www27.brinkster.com/stgregs/x...utme/jaffa.jpg
and I know who to go running to when I make a right harry halls of it :D |
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Born in washinborough myself near canwick - You ??? |
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Actually not competely off topic I suppose cos the Jaffa Cakes gave me the strength to search for my wireless stuff :D I think it's time for me to go to bed before I completely lose the plot :spin: |
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Nothing like the decent food in yorkshire... My grandma makes a mean yorkshire pudding... :) P.S. Fell in the River Witham twice. I Know - I Know .... Back on topic admin's :D |
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now back on topic honest :D how long do you think it should/could take me to set this up and get it running :shrug: |
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Gormless Harry here forget, Friday I will for sure
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Well, wish me luck, the stuff is arriving tomorrow so I'm going to have a bash :tu:
Hopefully should get it running but I can see me launching the lot in the bin if I don't :banghead: (and still not remembered those biccies :blush: ) |
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Its not that bad!! I don't normally have anything to do with network stuff and I still got there.
Start off simple, get the computers talking and then add the encryption etc. |
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Dont forget the WEP and the mac filtering when you are up and running debsy !!!! |
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Well, I think I've got a problem before I start :cry:
Cos I don't use my old pc now I've lent my mouse, keyboard and monitor to my friend so only got the tower left. Will I be able to set it up via my lappy or am I on the road to nowhere? |
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Does it have an ethernet port? If so then no probs if not then issues.
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Cant you connect it to your perifs. for now ? |
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course I just know I'm going to be sobbing on here tomorrow offering amounts of money to people to come round and sort it out for me :rofl: |
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Stu, am I missing something? Why cant she use the laptop to initially set up the hardware using ethernet? |
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My cards arrive tomorrow and the new PC comes next week, so I'll be watching your thread with anticipation Debs, if you have any tips in the end let me know :)
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I will be the example of what NOT to do :erm: |
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OK my stuff has just arrived, delivered by a Jim Royle look-a-like :eek:
Anyone whos any good stay around please as I probably will need help, thanks :tu: Stuartbe, that includes you :D |
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If you need me give me shout. |
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I think I need my monitor etc damm blast cos I ain't getting nowhere, my laptop has installed the new card no problem but need to set the network up on the tower not laptop |
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How many clients / servers ect.... The more info the better :) I am not 100% sure on what it is that you want to do ! |
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I'm going out to borrow a monitor etc from friend, what a bluddy nightmare :cry:
Back later, hopefully will have managed to sort :tu: |
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Going well then !!
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Hiya Proppin :wavey:
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Feel free to call on me for any emotional support Debs but sorry on this one I'm about as much use technically as a pork sarnie at a Jewish wedding. LOL
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Whats up? I'll try to help.
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Just need to check but looking good :tu: |
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WELL what can I say without boring everyone to tears
except STUARTBE YOU ARE THE DADDY :wavey: :kiss: :tu: :) :D I'd managed to install the new card onto my laptop, no problem, sorted out the cables (after putting them in the wrong way round :erm: ) on the router, everything fine on the old pc which could get on the net but nothing on the laptop.......... Two very long phone calls with Stuartbe (sorry LesleyAnn) checking everything and the kitchen sink, swopping my cordless phone for a corded cos that was affecting the signal and it turns out to be something and nothing :eek: Now happily surfing the net wirelessly now to my hearts content and I can't thank Stuartbe and LesleyAnn enough. I just didn't know where I was going wrong and was getting fed up. This chap has proved that there are still nice people left in the world who are happy to help. I have repped accordingly and if anyone reading this feels like repping Stu too I am sure he would appreciate it !! Dell, in the end it's not too difficult get wireless but after my experience if you do have any problems people are great at helping, long live this site :tu: Thanks to everyone else for offers of help too :tu: |
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When you want to set up the wep and mac filter give me a shout :) Did your freind mind the loss of the monitor for all that time ? :D |
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I forgot to ask Debsy ......
Do you still want to use zone alarm as we removed its keys from the registery you will have a problem starting it. If you want to use it then you need to uninstall and then reinstall it. Make sure that you set both zones to low if you do.... Or you could try the Kerio firewall we spoke about... |
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I am getting a bit worried now !!!!
Since we fixed the wireless network Debsy42 has not been online.... Are you still out there Debsy ?? :) Talk to me - PLEASE !!!!!!! |
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Sorry Chuck, just got home from work and yay yay yay wireless is going like a rocket, once again Mr Fantastic you are the Daddy :tu: :tu: :tu: |
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Arrived late to this party.....I've just got my Linksys based wireless network set up. Everything is working smooth as silk. Two quick questions -
1) SSID hiding - the router set up screens says that SSID broadcasting is disabled, but the wireless adaptor software on my PC's can still see the SSID on a site survey, but only with a valid wireless connection to the router. Can I take it this is normal behaviour? 2) The router has stealthed all my ports, even port 113 with a bit of shifty port-forwarding. Do you guys think it is really necessary to hold onto a software firewall (I'm using Norton 2003 at the mo, it's a resource hog). I am always very careful to avoid viri and spyware anyhow..... |
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I know this is a bit ot - but it is related a little bit :)
I managed to get my wireless up and running ok - I've got the wep and mac filter on - which is nice.... Now it's a small thing - but every few mins I get a pop up on the task bar telling me my signal strength - it's a tad irritating. I don't suppose anyone knows how to get it to go away? I'm on winXP home here (at least until I get my new 80gb notebook drive) |
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2. you dont need a firewall when you are behind the router but it is a good idea for aplication control. For example setting zone alarm to its lowest security will just control applications that access the internet and not give any firewall type protection. I would recomend that you ditch norton and go with Zone alarm or Kerio personal firewall. Both use far less ram than norton when running. HTH |
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ARe you using the XP wireless client or the card makers own one ? |
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It's a belkin wireless card. Of the .b variety. |
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The belkin util tells me it's about %74 if that's any help. |
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If you are connecting via the router make sure you select " infrastructure mode " only and not auto....
Make sure that the belkin util is not loading as well as the xp one as this can cause conflicts. The belkin tray util loads from the registry. You can use msconfig to turn it of or remove the key from hkeylocalmachine\software\currentversion\windows\r un The filename is something like btwtray.exe HTH |
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Thanks Stuartbe!! -
Another question - How to enable Mac Filtering. I understand it will only allow my equipment to connect to the router even if someone hacks the SSID and WEP encryption codes. There are two options on the router config screens, but they are not intuitive. Nor is the manual very helpful..... 1)Private MAC filter - I tried adding the MAC address's of the computers and the router here. This resulted in loss of my internet connection, but not the connection between the computers and the router....any ideas. 2)Station MAC filter - I'm not sure about this one..... Thanks in advance Smurph |
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Linksys BEFW11S4, firmware version 1.44.3 18/2/2003.
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Hmmmm. the user guide is as clear as mud - I see what you mean.....
Can you do a screenshot of the two section for me.... It looks like the station mac is the wan mac !!! BTW - you should not need to put the routers mac address in the filter only the wired and wireless clients. |
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Good thread this one but my head is going round and round with all the acronyms and funny terminology. Remember - I qualify for a bus pass ie bit long in the tooth. I am technically somewhere around Post 10 from Debsy but with no real objection to having the main machine switched on as well as a laptop.
What I have is a 2Ghz main machine now fitted with a Belkin 802.11b card+mini ariel (presume that is OK) and a 3GHz laptop with an 11Mbit/s wireless LAN card also 802.11b. Both on XP Home. I have loaded the software that came with the Belkin thing and now have a screen icon, and the software for the laptop was already loaded when purchased. SOMEHOW I have now to get these things to talk to each other. Any clues folks? We will takle all this security stuff (sounds heavy but is clearly important) once I have the laptop through to the web. Part of that contact is clearly going to be setting up IE and Outlook with all the appropriate connection settings. I remember doing that ages ago but no longer remember what I did - and anyway there was someone by my shoulder giving propmpts. I am going to need help again. |
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