Torrent uploads
 

am i likely to incur the wrath of NTL if i leave my connection permanently uploading torrents?
i konw it's now officially 'unlimited' but is it likely it would upset them?

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Only one way to find out.....

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probably not but its immoral, what reason do you need to keep seeding torrents?

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i don't NEED to keep seeding. in the same way i don't NEED an internet connection, or NEED to go on holidays. i just think it's nice to.
why is it immoral anyway?

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Seeding is what keeps the torrent alive. Other people had to seed so that you could download your files successfully. If you don't seed, you're a leecher.

I'm also struggling to see what's "immoral" about it.

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depends on what your're uploading, doesn't it? ;)

and now starts a new thread on media rights vs freedom of distribution :D

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I see the winking smiley, but I always find prejudice against the Bittorrent protocol odd.

The same arguments can be made against downloading/uploading anything using HTTP, FTP, NNTP etc. There's nothing special about Bittorrent.

In fact, there's much more in the way of "illegal" material available on Usenet, but how often do you hear people condemning NNTP?

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It was the uploading I was winking at, not the protocol.

Touchy, touchy :)

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erm, so it is gonna **** them off or not?:shrug:

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I'm pretty sure it was going to be the 11th commandment but they ran out of space

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They have an unwritten rule a while ago (don't know if its changed) that if you upload more than 300 meg in one day, they don't like it. It was never written and fixed like with the previous cap, but some people recieved letters warning them for abuse of service. Some go well over that and never get letters, some hardly do and do get letters. They only chase it up there are problems in the local area

Its not using the connection 24/7 they are bothered about, only that you'll go over 300meg.

If I was you, i'd do it, but set the upload under 300meg/day. That way you should be in the clear regardless. Besides, saturating your upload will slow down browsing, etc.

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its immoral that you tying up shared badnwidth on your ubr for a 24 hour period, I guess me and you disagree if you dont think thats immoral.

I dont find it immoral to not seed a torrent since its either illegal or the legal torrents tend to have permenant fast seeds on them anyway.

Do you also need to seed 24:7 to get 1:1 ratio?

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nntp/ftp/http are all much lighter on resourse usage then p2p in both that they require much less upload bandwidth (acks only) and lower pps.

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What I fnd immoral is me using my "unlimited" broadband however I see fit, only to find there are the tiniest of tiny bits of smallprint even daring to mention these restrictions.

I uploaded a LOT at one point, and I figure that if NTL could only ever supply me with roughly 40% of my supposed speed, then I couldn't be bothered caring whether the already oversubscribed line got any worse.

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change the record:sleep:

there are loads of legal reasons to use bittorrent
http://www.elephantsdream.org/download/

and it is important to keep things running and give back what you take.

In answer to the OP I have never had a problem with leaving BT running 24/7, and have never had any contact regarding my usage

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In a word.....No

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not entirely true, imo - the reply needs qualifying ??

- for a new '4 meg' connection I believe the upload is 400Kb/s ?

- as I understand posts made previously about this, the hfc network is more prone to saturation on the return path, so 'permanently' uploading files, at that rate, may be significant if many subscribers try using the same resource, for the same thing?

- as ever, area dependent ;)

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You shouldn't, I forgot I was seeding a torrent once and left it up and running for about 3 days, went away for the weekend and left my machine on.

Uploaded about 5-6gig and not had a *******ing yet......just make sure you change the deafult port your torrent client is running on.

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I was commenting on the original post....answer, no here. I'm new to the bittorent client thingy.....since I first used azureus in feb this year, I've had no probs leaving the pc on seeding for days. 200 gb in 4 months uploaded. Well within the recent rules now obselete. I pay good money for a service and ntl provide that service. Don't really see what the problem is....

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no problem here, unless we contend, evidence for me, so far, is that we do not ;)

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Ive only used BT's a few times if I need something and my normal sources do not have it.I must say the technology is amazing but the application is awful I hate p2p

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I use usenet and NNTP sucks too.The only thing makes it worth using is the good old nzb

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If there wasnt any seeding it would all come to a stop give and you shall recieve said the lord ;).

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If your seeding 24/7 which my server does 365. set your maximum upload speed nice and low mine is 5k a sec... this means you help the community more by keeping the link alive longer but dont go soaking up all the bandwidth. It also has the added benefit of not degrading your normal activities..

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did everyone miss this then, it seems P2P is good enough for NTL to use.

14. February 2006 by Mick
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...e-sharing-deal
"ntl and BitTorrent in joint technology trial "
“ntl is delighted to be working with its technology trial partners, BitTorrent and CacheLogic, in order to extend its high-quality video experience from the set top box to the media player,” said Kevin Baughan, director of network strategy at ntl. “The trial will be a unique combination of BitTorrent’s P2P client closely coupled with CacheLogic’s network based content caching and ntl’s deep fibre network in order to offer a transformational video downloading experience.”

“Through this partnership, we can jointly evaluate how P2P distribution can be a highly efficient mechanism to deliver truly compelling licensed content to broadband subscribers, whilst satisfying the economic requirements of the content owner and the network provider,” said Andrew Parker, CTO of CacheLogic. "
'The trial is expected to go ahead in April 2006.'

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every torrent site I come across only asks users upload to maintain 1:1 ratio they dont ask people to upload 24/7, thats the main point I was coming across.

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if you take a large file then it might take a couple of days to upload 1:1 and if a large number of people drop off as soon as they get there then the people still d/l the file might only get it very slowly.
That is why it can be helpful to leave it running a bit longer.
I do not condone people u/l huge numbers as this might stop some getting there ratio.
To call it 'immoral' is way over the top IMHO