Originally Posted by Russ D

Part of me REALLY wants to see England crash and burn, followed by weeks of blaming the players, the pitch, the manager, the FA, Saddam Hussein, the incompletion of the new Wembley Stadium, Mystic Meg, my next door neighbour and Bamber Gascoigne (the guy who used to present University Challenge).

But deep down, out of all the teams taking part, I would rather see an England win.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

So we can have another 50 years of them banging on about 66 and 06, no thanks...

Although i appreciate your choice, i just can stomach it personally.

Originally Posted by dezzo

I'm another for T&T to do well.

Not so much the England team but seeing the English Broadcasting Corporation are already starting to go overboard on the coverage.

Still it might be an idea for another competition, taking bets on how long it is into the commentary that 1966 is mentioned (It was 7 minutes last time), how long before Rooneys injury is blamed for a loss and for the 1st football hooligans to be described as 'British' instead of English.

Originally Posted by dezzo

I'm another for T&T to do well.

Not so much the England team but seeing the English Broadcasting Corporation are already starting to go overboard on the coverage.

Still it might be an idea for another competition, taking bets on how long it is into the commentary that 1966 is mentioned (It was 7 minutes last time), how long before Rooneys injury is blamed for a loss and for the 1st football hooligans to be described as 'British' instead of English.

Originally Posted by Russ D

The lesser of 2 evils mate! And no matter how they do next month, we'll still be getting 1966 rammed down our throats for years to come...

However if you're asking who I'd want to win apart from England, I'll go for Dutch win.

Originally Posted by Chris T

Thread title edited to something a little closer to the truth. :angel: :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

Yes indeed :) ;)

Originally Posted by BBC/ITV

BBC World Cup Guidelines for commentary team.

1 -Within 1 minute of kick off in the opening match (Germany v Costa Rica), the commentator must mention England.

2 - Regardless of what two teams are contesting the final, England have to be mentioned within the first minute.

3 - The commentator shall refer to the Falkland Isles in passing at some point in the match if England play Argentina.

4 - Whenever a hat trick is scored, comparisons with Geoff Hurst will be made within seconds of the third goal hitting the net.

5 - Should England wear their red jerseys, then '1966' should be mentioned approximately 20 times.

6 - 1966 must be mentioned approximately 10 times per match, or on 4 or 5 occasions for matches not involving England.

7 - Prior to the captain of the winning team lifting the trophy, the commentator will mention Bobby Moore - and 1966.

8 - When Germany are playing, they must be referred to as being arrogant by the commentator on at least 14 occasions. This must refer to their style, their passing, their haircuts and their general footballing ability.

9 - Should England play Germany, mentions of Winston Churchill, Dambusters, the Luftwaffe and Adolf Hitler will be compulsory - and 1966.

10 - All Scottish members of our commentary team must continue to refer to England as "we" and "us".

11 - We must ensure that nationlistic stereotypes are adhered to. Of course, the Germans are arrogant. The Spanish are bottlers, The Ivory Coast are fast but bad at defending, The Angolans are disorganised, The Argentineans are cheats and the French are only good because their best players play in England.

12 - For matches not involving England, we must only discuss the players that are playing in England. (eg - Holland v Argentina should be referred to as Van Nistelroy v Crespo).

13 - The phrase " Bulldog spirit" should be used as often as possible.

14 - Each match involving England should begin with the phrase "England Expects."

15 - Should any player be involved in an injury that involves the loss of teeth, then references to Nobby Stiles and 1966 are compulsory.

16 - If in any doubt, mention 1966.

17 - Praise all of the stunning new stadiums in Germany but emphasise that they lack the presence of Wembley, the spiritual home of football since 1966.

18 - Commentators should feel free to imitate the style of Kenneth Wolstenholme, the hero of 1966.

19 - Should any team feature brothers playing together, then Jackie and Bobby Charlton should be mentioned.

20 - When England bow out after the first stage, we must emphasise that it is a massive blow to football and a serious loss to the World Cup.

Originally Posted by Mal

You're only jealous! ;)

Originally Posted by Russ D

If it was only jealousy then we'd get over it quick enough - but no, the rest of us are tired of the way the media glorifies everything England does and the BBC's incredible biased approach is what makes us happy to watch another failure at the World Cup for Sven's men :D

Originally Posted by Chris T

You lot ... your name's not on the trophy and it never will be. Get over it. :p:

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Simple answer: Don't watch the BBC.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Part of me REALLY wants to see England crash and burn, followed by weeks of blaming the players, the pitch, the manager, the FA, Saddam Hussein, the incompletion of the new Wembley Stadium, Mystic Meg, my next door neighbour and Bamber Gascoigne (the guy who used to present University Challenge).

But deep down, out of all the teams taking part, I would rather see an England win.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Did you see that Charity fix tonight - my god it was nothing but England clips from 66!

What an embarassment, that was even worse than the Beeb and thats saying something.

Roll on the Penalty shootouts!

Originally Posted by Russ D

However if you're asking who I'd want to win apart from England, I'll go for Dutch win.
:D

Originally Posted by Russ D

Nice dive by Gerrard, Cisse must have taught him that one....

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Suprised to see that by Gerrard though - didnt have him down as a cheat.

Originally Posted by iadom

It looked like a dive to me initially from sideways on, however if you see the picture from behind the goal the Magyar definately drags Gerrards left foot away.

Originally Posted by iadom

'Stacy-Marie Ishmael, spokeswoman for the Soca Warriors Supporters' Club says it's because no fewer than six of the Trinidad and Tobago squad are playing their club football in Scotland.'


Tells you all you need to know about the quality of the Scottish leagues.:p:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Marvin Andrews and Russell Latapy are not players to be taken likely which i hope to hell you'll find out to your detriment very shortly.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Marvin Andrews and Russell Latapy are not players to be taken likely which i hope to hell you'll find out to your detriment very shortly.[reply]

:rofl:

Well, would hate to dsagree ... :p:


TBH, the quality of those leagues is so poor it's easy to forget. :shrug:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Dutch are a good call actually, never met a Dutch person who i didnt like and been over there many a time. I'll be keeping an eye out for them anyway thats for sure.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Edited to add: Not a bad result tonight as well against Mexico - good start!

Originally Posted by DocDutch

Daniel helemaal mee accoord :)

for those that read dutch
http://sport.fok.nl/voetbal/nieuws/24997 (Friendly)
http://sport.fok.nl/voetbal/nieuws/24995 (Under 21's)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yeah, welcome to World Cup hell mate - its England, England, England over here irrespective where you live in the UK.

Originally Posted by Russ D

And if you object then you're obviously 'jealous', sour grapes etc etc :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by iadom

So now we know the true reason.:D

http://tinyurl.com/p7knj

Originally Posted by orangebird

So, those you of that are Irish, Welsh and Scottish etc - if your team had ever one the world cup, what would you have done? Had a quiet civilised drink and decided not to mention it ever again, let alone have any hope or dreams of ever winning it again? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

To be fair it only seems to be since the early 1990's that we seem to have become obsessed with winning the thing again, I don't seem to remember us making much fuss about it before.

Originally Posted by dezzo

I'm another for T&T to do well.

Not so much the England team but seeing the English Broadcasting Corporation are already starting to go overboard on the coverage.

Still it might be an idea for another competition, taking bets on how long it is into the commentary that 1966 is mentioned (It was 7 minutes last time), how long before Rooneys injury is blamed for a loss and for the 1st football hooligans to be described as 'British' instead of English.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

For any England fans looking in and thinking were being a bit racist here - right there in that post is why I dont and most of the people i personally know, dont want England to win.

The thought of Motty dribbling over Rooney, at least in the early stages of the competition, has at least been avoided.

But your right - get the stopwatch out - i'd be VERY suprised if the even make it to kick off.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Enough said, your reply though seems to have been the most childish in the whole thread.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Are you replying to yourself?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Enough said, your reply though seems to have been the most childish in the whole thread, why should i be expected to support England?

Originally Posted by orangebird

Because England, like Scotland is part of the British Isles? Love thy neighbour and all that?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

So you will be supporting France then too, given that they are your neighbours.

British Isles goes for nothing.

Originally Posted by orangebird

No, I added to my post. As you'll see, I wouldn't have the 'anyone but scotland/ireland/wales' train of thought. How immature would that be?
I'd support Ireland because I'm half Irish, or Spain because that's where my dad lives. :shrug:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I like Spain, any country that stops work at mid day for a bit of a snooze is fine by me :)

Originally Posted by gazzae

I work with a guy from Slovakia I asked him if he would be supporting the Czech Republic at the World Cup. He nearly fell of his chair laughing.

BTW OB if believe in this philosophy how come you weren't supporting Arsenal in the European cup final?

Originally Posted by orangebird

Because most of them are french?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

LOL,
I think that sums it up....

Originally Posted by orangebird

Nearly. Also, I needed them to lose to have a hope of my team getting into the champions league, so i'm not going to support them, am I?

However, England winning the world cup is of no consequence to Scotland at all, so the reasons are not really comparable.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Nearly. Also, I needed them to lose to have a hope of my team getting into the champions league, so i'm not going to support them, am I?

However, England winning the world cup is of no consequence to Scotland at all, so the reasons are not really comparable.

Originally Posted by gazzae

So when Spurs couldn't finish 4th you supported Arsenal?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yes they are, they're all English :rofl: (Joke!)

Originally Posted by orangebird

Err, no, I continue to support Spurs.... :erm: :dozey:

Originally Posted by gazzae

In the european cup final. :banghead:

Spurs and Arsenal have a big rivalry hence you wanted Barcelona to win.

England and Scotland have a big sporting rivalry, hence scottish people don't want to see England win.

Whats the difference?

Originally Posted by orangebird

The difference being, that if Arsenal won the euro cup, Spurs wouldn't have qualified, 4th place or not. What the ****'s results were affected Spurs. England winning thw world cup has NO EFFECT on Scotland for any furture tournaments. What bit don't you get?

Originally Posted by orangebird

The difference being, that if Arsenal won the euro cup, Spurs wouldn't have qualified, 4th place or not. What the ****'s results were affected Spurs. England winning thw world cup has NO EFFECT on Scotland for any furture tournaments. What bit don't you get?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Who cares - C'MON THE T&T!!!! :p:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Who cares - C'MON THE T&T!!!! :p:

Originally Posted by Nugget

What, Togo & Tunisia? How weird are you - they're never going to qualify for the second round ;) :mad:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Aren't you just highlighting how poor the Scottish League is by referring to how many of these mercenarie's are plying their trade in your leagues ;) :D

Originally Posted by orangebird

And I don't see why Engalnd fans should be derided/despised/set upon for doing so. The only reason I can see for the rest of British football fans with the CHILDISH mentality of supporting anyone else but england is pure jealousy. They can't even qualify, let alone have a hope of winning the sodding thing. Which England do. a ha ha ah ah a ah ah ah aha ha. :monkey: :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Russ D

Aaaand one of these days I'm sure you'll grow up ;) :D

As I've said before, I genuinely wish England well but when the papers (the same ones I pay my money for) are crammed wall-to-wall with England, knowing fully weel that if they were out and Wales/Scotland/NI were in, the amount of coverage would drop infinately.

If there were regional versions on the dailies available, so the English versions could carry on with their usual jingoism and the rest of us could be left in peace then you wouldn't hear any complaints from the rest of us.

Typically it usually seems to be the English who can't see this...

Originally Posted by Russ D

Aaaand one of these days I'm sure you'll grow up ;) :D

As I've said before, I genuinely wish England well but when the papers (the same ones I pay my money for) are crammed wall-to-wall with England, knowing fully weel that if they were out and Wales/Scotland/NI were in, the amount of coverage would drop infinately.

If there were regional versions on the dailies available, so the English versions could carry on with their usual jingoism and the rest of us could be left in peace then you wouldn't hear any complaints from the rest of us.

Typically it usually seems to be the English who can't see this...

Originally Posted by Chris T

Actually most if not all of the national papers do have regional variations. ;)

Originally Posted by Russ D

1958 - Pele put us out :grind: :D

But still, you're not going to be the type of England supporter who ignores criticism of their own country by attacking another?? :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

If there were regional versions on the dailies available, so the English versions could carry on with their usual jingoism and the rest of us could be left in peace then you wouldn't hear any complaints from the rest of us.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

All I am saying is that considering we let the three best teams Wales could cobble together join our leagues you should stop being so ungrateful and get behind England :D

Originally Posted by gazzae

Don't you?

We get a Northern Irish edition of the sun, mirror etc.

Originally Posted by Legendary_PSR

it would annoy me less if the stories they put in were different. on the front and back page of the mirror, you got rooney stuff. then, the next to back pages are about rooney. then, you've also got another 2 pages spread on the same damn thing about 10 pages in.

and it isn't really much different to yesterday's paper

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The real problem is the length of time it takes for the tournament to start, all the hacks have nothing else to write about, lazy journalism really.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Ah yes, like it will change once the tournament starts...

Originally Posted by pedantic

All this bitterness, and their hasn't even been a ball kicked yet. :D

There wll be some fun and games soon then. :naughty:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its not bitterness its a smug satisfaction that in the end your not going to win and then my friends - then the fun begins... :D

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its not bitterness its a smug satisfaction that in the end your not going to win and then my friends - then the fun begins... :D

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its not bitterness its a smug satisfaction that in the end your not going to win and then my friends - then the fun begins... :D

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You have got to be in it to win it, correct me if I am wrong but 1990 was the last time that Scotland flirted with the World Cup finals, wasn't that the one where you took on the might of Costa Rica ......... and lost :p: :)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its not bitterness its a smug satisfaction that in the end your not going to win and then my friends - then the fun begins... :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

Yep, definately a stereotypical England fan who would rather point out the faults of other teams than realise his own team won't win :D

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If I were pointing out faults in other teams I need go no further than you did not qualify :p: we did, we have a supurb chance of winning the thing, better than most at any rate and 100% better chance than Wales :D