will ntl ever keep up with skys service
 

I recently saw an advert on tv for the site below...
http://www.sky.com/skybybroadband/home
it seems if you are a sky customer an have ANY broadband connection you can download at no extra cost movies straight to you home computer.
when (if ever) will ntl be offering this or a similar service to its customers instead of the pathetic rubbish thats currently on broadband plus?
Ntl really need to wake up an provide what people want instead of messing people around with a unstable service that costs as much if not more than all the other companys.

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Firstly, you can only access this content if you have a Movies and Sports package on Sky (added expense) and then it installs a slow, buggy client onto your PC which installs P2P Malware that you have no choice over, Runs from when you boot your PC til when you shut it down and there's no easy way of removing it.

Yeah, great service!

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ntl have this year to show me that they can compete or im off to sky or bt http://www.btvision.bt.com/ ntl have had my custom for over 9 years but now i feel i want some service it seems that sky roll there services out when they anounce them but ntl just keep saying coming soon so if i get vod by novemberl and its any good i might just stick but the vison service looks good http://www.btvision.bt.com/

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ok if this is the case tell me whats my sky customer number? As it asks for it when you try to sign up?

also it states very clearly on the page and i quote
"If you're a Sky digital customer, you can get the following Sky by broadband services at no extra cost"

did you even read it?

Also my question was a simple one, when do ntl plan on offering a similar service, i did not ask how good skys one is an what all it installs.

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obviously it is you that cannot read:
"you can get the following Sky by broadband services at no extra cost:

• Sky Movies, if you subscribe to Sky Movies
  1 & 2
• Sky Sports, if you subscribe to Sky Sports
  1 & 2"

So you tell me, is that free or not?

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If your going to quote something quote it right an read it first itll save you making an idiot of yourself.... i quote ..

"Sky by broadband is a new service exclusive to Sky digital customers. It allows you to enjoy hundreds of films on your PC, including a mix of Hollywood blockbusters and classic movie titles available on Sky Movies.

In addition, you can enjoy highlights from many of the major sporting events on Sky Sports.

If you're a Sky digital customer, you can get the following Sky by broadband services at no extra cost:

• Sky Movies, if you subscribe to Sky Movies
  1 & 2
• Sky Sports, if you subscribe to Sky Sports
  1 & 2
  " end quote.

what part of "Sky by broadband is a new service exclusive to Sky digital customers" cant you understand? I draw your attention to the bit that says "SKY DIGITAL CUSTOMERS" and the word "EXCLUSIVE" may be this will help you http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exclusive

But this is not what my question was but as you idiots keep bringing it up, i am subscribed to full sky packages via ntl, movies , sports , the lot, but i am not a sky customer, i am a ntl customer which is why i am posting in the ntl broadband forum and not the sky digital one so once again my question is (for the idiots) when will ntl be offering a similar service.

If you cant answer this simple question then dont post lol

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I'm sure you feel big and clever for calling everyone an idiot now. You appear to be the idiot though, it seems quite simple from reading it.

• Sky Movies, if you subscribe to Sky Movies
  1 & 2
• Sky Sports, if you subscribe to Sky Sports
  1 & 2
  " end quote

It's only free if you have already subscribed to the packages. It's not free.

I think NTL are good in some areas and not good in others. You take the rough with the smooth. My Broadband is something Sky don't offer as it's own product yet. I get my 10meg and i wouldn't be able to get it even if Sky released their own broadband as Sky Broadband. I get the Sports and movies package, and i pay half the price for the whole package as a Sky Customer pays for theirs. Both my work colleagues would drop Sky if NTL came to their area just to get the price i am paying.

A PVR is what NTL lack really but it's coming in November so someone said, so i can wait given i am paying far less.

I think Sky released their HDTV as a joke. £300 for a box and £10 a month. That's a complete rip off and for people with more money than brain cells.

Overall, i'd say they are fairly even, people see the PVR as the killer piece of hardware so think NTL are light years behind. They are entitled to their opinion. I think when NTL gets a PVR, it then puts them lightyears ahead.

Edit: Actually NTL have VoD, while the content may not be to everyone's liking, it will expand. Sky don't even have this full-stop.

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Any more flaming from anyone & this thread will be removed.

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Hi!
Just a couple of points about Sky by Broadband.It is quite easy to remove the Kontiki software from your computer.The exact file reqd. is kclean.exe available most directly via a utility on the Kontiki site (amongst others).When Sky by Broadband is not in use (the Khost.exe) and Kservice.exe can be stopped using the services section of Task Manager-thus protecting bandwidth.
Sky by Broadband works and may suit some people but the downloads are relatively slow and WMP player may cause problems depending on the exact installation of the software.HTH.Good luck!

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my apologies if i've offended anyone, i was only trying to point out what was stated on the website, and get the facts right. :)

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From the registration page for Sky by Broadband:


I have Sky and broadband, but cannot use the service as I don't have any sports or movie channels!

But to be honest I don't want to wait for ages to download a film then watch it on my PC, much prefer to watch TV on the TV, it's got a bigger screen and better sound!

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Thread reopened. Anymore arguing and it gets closed permanently.

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I think if NTL's VOD gets going properly (we don't have it here yet) - it has the potential to be a replacement.

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ok if this is the case can some tell how a ntl customer puts in the customer number on there sky digital viewing card which the site requests given a ntl customer should not have a sky digital viewing card unless its illegal?. see below
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wasted.d/SKY.jpg
It is clear that this service is only available to those who are subscribed to sky digital an yes in that case it is indeed free, but as ive pointed out a few times i am not a sky digital costumer, i am a ntl customer who would like to be able to download legaly to my pc.
My question was not if this service was free or even if it was any good it was simply if anyone had any idea if ntl planned on offering a similar service were a customer could download movies directly to there pc.

sky by broadband is only available to those who get there digital service from sky digital, so this clearly means that ntl, freeview and telewest customers can not use this particular service. This is why i was wondering if NTL had any plans to introduce a similar service.

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What a lot of hot air over something so simple. :rolleyes:

1. It's only for actual sky customers, not ntl customers.

2. We (currently) know of no plans for a similar service from ntl

Now, let's cut out all the pointless arguing and insulting shall we. :)

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agreed paul and thank you, at last the answer.
I knew it wasnt for ntl customers as that is what ive stated from the opening of the post but the rest seemed convinced i was wrong an kept it going, i cant help what others post only myself but its good to see some take the time to read an acutally check which is all ive been tryin to point out threw this thread.:)

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Will ntl ever keep up with Sky's service?

They'll have to, they'll have to keep the benefits of their HFC network outweighing Sky and ADSL2+. As Sky enter the broadband sector, we know that Sky's marketing trumps ntl's so ntl will have to offer a better product - faster speeds then can be offered over the copper loop architecture and capping to a minimum / non existing.

Either way, the competition is good for us consumers :)

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All the latest talk from the new merged ntl/telewst company says they will take on BT and Sky and Win!.

Whatever that means we will just have to see. But two things they need to consider.

1) BT now have the opportunity to charge customers what they like, that could mean cheaper phone calls and line rental.

2) To beat Sky, you have to offer something far better than Sky +. Content may be one thing, possibly some fottie rights may help, I don't know.

Whatever they plan, it has to be a good win to keep existing customers and attract a raft of new ones.

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When I'm talking about Sky, I'm talking about Easynet ;)

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Hey guys, I've attached my Sky by Broadband screenshot below, I have no idea whether NTL will challenge Sky or not, their are a few problems with this service, firstly the speeds at which you ''download a movie'', this is the whole point of the project, having the ability to download a movie and watch it at will using the service.

I think SKY has under-estimated its potential, by this I mean SKY has not taken much consideration as to how many people have broadband these days and how popular this service may become.

This is the basic problem, the download speeds do not touch 100kbp/s an average movie like the i, robot movie you can see in the download is around 724mb or so, you'd expect much faster download speeds coming from a wealthy company.

I don't see this as a problem personally as I be gaming most of the time, I can afford to wait several hours whilst it downloads silently in the background.

But for the majority of Internet Users, this can be a pain, I understand them, however as this is a relatively new service, you can expect much more from Sky, please note I've edited the picture, censoring my username for the simple reason of privacy, thank you all for reading this post :)

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Well seen as BB+ is free from NTL now, I don't see how there is anything wrong with all the services that are offered on it.

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Forgot about BB+ :angel:

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Agreed , bb+ is not bad given it is now free, but ive had it since it was released an tho its better than nothing there is actually very little on it that im interested in, take heavy metal music or death metal, european rock, theres none on it at all, save for the pop music stuff which aint my thing. Only heavy band to speak of on bb+ is sepultra an those video feeds dont work lol.

on a slightly different note, being able to download movies to a home computer is a major step in the fight against piracy, i would much rather be able to do this than well we all know whats out there an how to get it but its not right is it. hehe.

I can only hope what one other user said is correct that the companys will help push each other to bring these services out an improve things for all in general. :)

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You think so? Can't say i'm convinced mate. Ntl cant deliver Ntl+ or 10Mbit let alone NtlHD and 22Mbit BB

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I have mixed feelings about sky's download service.

It isnt strictly free but rather inclusive with their premium channels.

It isnt a download service as such but more like a sharing service, and to many the app running in the background wont be noticed other then their internet slowing down, sky could get in trouble for this in future in a similiar way to how sony got in trouble with their cd rootkit.

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ntl could deliver 22meg in many areas. The problem is that they seem stuck in the idea that they must deliver the same service to everyone. BT don't seem to suffer this handicap - they will only deliver 22meg to a small handful, close to the exchange, and if the exchange has the equipment.

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BT dont do 22 meg anywhere they only on the brink of releasing 8meg now.

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Thanks for the screenshot Unreal. That's a pretty useless interface, no speed statistics at all (unless they're hidden in a tool tip or something) and from your experiences you could well download the movie illegally much quicker and keep the movie forever. What an incentive to do the right thing!

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I tried the Sky By Broadband service and found it no problem to download four or five films overnight. Didn't enter into the spirit of it though as I prevented others from sharing via my system. Never watched any of the films downloaded though before they were deleted from my system after the 4 week period. Couldn't really see the point of downloading for watching at home. There is enough content which I record via Sky+ to keep me happy which I can watch on our large screen TV.

SBB seems more suited to those who are away from home regularly and who download movies to watch on their laptop in their hotel room or wherever.

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Admin edit (Stuart): Please do not discuss red repping in public. If you have a problem with a member, please take it up with them in PM, or report it to one of the Admin team.

Thank you to the rest of you guys who did give replies an took the time to check. ;)

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Never mentioned BT :erm:

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my bad, i didnt realise it was not allowed.

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it was in reference to Paul's comment.

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Missed that one, thought it was in realtion to my commenet - been one of those weeks! :shrug:

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this is not what i posted!! why do my posts keep being edited ? i didnt meantion anything about red reps nor break any other rules in this post and yet it is edited? i can understand why the last post was edit an that was fair enough but again its been edited for no good reason?:mad:

it would seem people can abuse users when they see fit but they cannot clarify a point. maybe its because im irish eh:Yikes:

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That post was edited using your account at before 3am this morning. Maybe you were Paralletic!? :)

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and once again heres mr ignorant who doesnt know what hes talking about. lol
The edit in the earlier hours was done by myself but the rest of the post which was about you an your friends being proved wrong an starting arguements for no reason has been removed by someone else.
But thank you for proving my point about youself once again. ignorance really seem to be your thing. maybe when you grow up youll learn some manners.

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I'd rep you for that gem of a post but I've got to spread it round a bit first *sigh*

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It was edited by me - and if attitudes don't change in this thread then I'll be removing posting rights without notice.

I advise you all to take heed of this final warning.

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Which is great if you know what you're doing with Windows, or if you've read threads like this one, on sites like this one.

Otherwise, you're stuffed.

I'd rather stick with watching stuff on the TV than use a download app which installs crappy spyware (something which the forthcoming BBC player should avoid, I hope).

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was in response to this comment by paul

"BT don't seem to suffer this handicap - they will only deliver 22meg to a small handful, close to the exchange, and if the exchange has the equipment."