10 meg unlimited?
 

There's a rumour staring on TOS that 10meg is going unlimited. Anyone here in the know?

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You've a PM.

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No I haven't :confused:

EDIT- Now I have. Thanks :)

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Not in the know personally but from someone that 'was' in the know, they said that there was talk of having a few different 10 meg price structure packages, unlimited being one, can't remember what the others were but it was something like a 2 gig cap and 10 gig cap, obviously with various costs, like I said, can't remember the exact caps and prices :dunce:

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Yes you do, don't be so impatient :p:

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Can I have one....please, no, seriously....mum's the word ;)

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Come on Ignition spill the beans! Any unlimited speculation publicity can only be good publicity.

We'll see then I guess.

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sorry to seem dumb but what is tos?

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The Other Site...

Google some thing like ntl hell forum as I do not think linking to it is allowed. :dunce:

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the other site = what http://forums.ntlhell.co.uk/ was reffered to on nthw.com as there used to be trouble between the sites and that is no longer the case.

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Indeed. Certain members of the admin team (myself and Russ AFAIK) are members of TOS as well..

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Correct, you will :)

The stuff in my PM is not suitable for public consumption, though my PMs rarely are for various reasons :angel:

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Oh well, we'll have to wait............... eeeeexcelent ;)

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That would be great news, something good, of course the cynic in me says that with the current network problems in *some* areas hardly anyone there will reach 10mb, so its kinda like 1 or 2 meg, which is already unlimited ;)

The worry of course is that everywhere *else* will become dead slow when its announced and people start hammering it.

But if true, NTL deserve kudos for a good move at last !

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My guess would be 'unlimited' but traffic shaped to hell (much like Pipex do now)

With Pipex, if you are a bandwidth hog, they write to you. If you don't tone it down, they throttle you leeching ability between 6pm & 12pm to silly download speeds to try to encourage you to leech in the wee small hours.

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I'd agree, personally I don't reach the cap now, but I've come close a few times, it would be nice to not have to worry about it.

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LOL.

Well...

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...Number=2240072

EDIT: please stop PM'ing me about this that's 3 so far and counting :p: I ain't going to answer.

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No surprise as I believe ntl are going to introduce shaping soon, however I think the shaping will be more like plusnet rather then pipex and be very heavy. This will also probably rule out 10meg on the lower tiers unless its capped.

Whats TOS?

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the urge to make a pun and ask should we give a TOS is overwhelming! seriously though what's tos? or perhaps I should ask, how do I become a TOSer?

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What's TOS?

Post 9 on this thread http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...94&postcount=9 :p:

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Oh I'd say you're already a fully paid up TOSer sir ;)

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sorry found it. I think I was once a TOSer but now am just using this site.

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I personally think the current limit is fine and making it unlimited is an insult to those customers who are having speed issues.

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well I dont know what pipex use for shaping but plusnet are using ellacoyas.

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to say the info came from that site doesnt that stand to reason there more informed than you lot ?

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NTL are using underinvestment!

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haha well thats contention on an extreme level as underinvestment.

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So now that NTL are (maybe) going the way of Telewest and becoming unlimited will they do the same as Telewest with the proxies and make them voluntary ?

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I highly doubt it somehow...

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Hate to rain on your parade Neil but ntl own their network and are not subject to bandwidth restrictions placed on them by another ISP, unlike Plusnet and Pipex.

Please make educated guesses in future rather then let your personal war with ntl get in the way.

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Ok, so why do ntl have caps in place, & why were they one of the 1st UK (if no the 1st) ISPs to introduce them?

Ok...

First of all let's have a look at what I actually said shall we....?

Now I don't make uneducated guesses, so I'm not quite sure what your point actually is.

What has the fact that ntl own their network got to do with anything?

Please don't let your clouded view of me get in the way of a good discussion either.....

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sounded like an educated quess in my opinon.

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ISPs such as Plusnet and Pipex buy bandwidth off BT with their IP Stream product. If BT rises the price then such ISPs have to adjust their product to contend with this.

Sorry for sounding so hostile but you don't half **** me off sometimes with your rather inane comments.

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so what you're saying is as NTL own their network, there is no justification for a comparison with other ISPs that traffic shape where they dont own their network.

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Right-so I'll ask again....

"Why do ntl have caps in place?"

I'll give you a clue-maybe it because the internet exists outside of the ntl network?

Apology accepted.

Perhaps you could qualify which of my comments was 'inane' (& why)?

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:notopic: For God's sake what has everyone been breathing lately that is causing forum members to start dropping with this "plague" and mouthing off at each other!?!? It worries me, it really does.

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Are Neil and jtwn ex-lovers or something? Serious hormones.

I would guess that uncapped 10Mb without traffic shaping would be pretty unlikely.

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No, I'm not.




So why do they have caps?

Well before the recent upgrades, to cover themselves to boot off people who eat resources and degrading service for others would be a good guess.

Now, because current local infrastructure struggles with many on 10mb. The mere fact that they blabbed about 50mb, 100mb etc, shows that the local networks are going to have to change to support it and hopefully alleviate the current teething problems of oversubscription of higher tier users.

I doubt its your idea of the case of peering arrangements are costing them that they have to cap people to what they are, otherwise you would be seeing that happening with the practically unlimited LLU providers and other unlimited providers on the continentent.

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At the risk of jumping into this lovers tiff ;)

NTL's peering is seriously undermanaged, this affects everyone regardless of local problems (although of course local problems can make everything slow), I'd side with Neil on this one as the only possible reason I can see for them ignoring the terrible peering problems with some routes is precisely because it would cost them a ton of money, otherwise they would fix peering and get some well needed good will.

Either that or they just hate us all and don't care...

hmmmmmm

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Eh, I'm allowed to have the hormones.

Neil 'Age 38' should know better.

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An earlier post indicated sales news would be out in 4 hours, anyone know if it was released and what it was?

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Is that an educated guess? :angel:

So why did they introduce their caps-what was it, 2 or 3 years ago now?

There's no such thing as a 'practically unlimited' LLU provider-it's either unlimited or it's not (it's like referring to something as quite unique)

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Ooooohhhhhhhh.......

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I'm surprised no one has read the threads on this and the clues from the people in the know, or maybe you don't know which people are in the know.

Looks like ntl have equipment installed that can monitor and traffic shape.
With this in place they can open up the service as unlimited and keep the peak times nice and speedy for the people surfing ebay and checking their mail whilst leaving the night time for the p2p leechers.

I already traffic shape my own bt adsl connection as there are 7 PC's on the network and whilst its tempting to be caning the connection 24/7 I have to make suer that theres sufficient bandwidth for them. So from 11pm till 8am its unlimited to my pc other times dropped back to a 1/6 of the download bandwidth and 1/4 upload.

If I was on ntl this would not make any difference to me at all.

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See the part beginning 'Well, before the recent upgrades..' ;)


I'd call 500gb pretty much unlimited going with todays compression and sizes. Now I do believe anybody has the right to do what the want but thats just getting insane.


:upyours:









































I mean :Peace:

(such a comedian me)

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Thats about 125 decent sized Linux Distros (500gb) :)

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Lets see if NTL can get the correct speeds on current tiers before they even think of Unlimited connections for 10MB.Had nothing but trouble for the last 3 weeks on my poorly 1MB connection.

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If the rumours of a uncapped service are true, then that's good news. But only if its a "real" uncapped 10 meg service...

A 42 minute HD show is about 10gig's worth, so its not difficult to reach 500gig real easily. Plus when iptv comes along, that will eat up bandwith like no tomorrow. Although, as I said in another thread, when the analogue tv networks are shut down, this should free up considerable bandwith for all.

Personally, I would be happy and would like the option to pay more for a "real" 10 meg uncapped service. Is it just a coincidence that the price of the 10meg service was lowered recently, possibly paving the way for a higher priced uncapped 10 meg service....?

With regards to ntl's network, I know ntl own their network(s), but its not national. I thought their national "traffic" was carried over Cable & Wireless' national fibre network.

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It wont be unshaped tho, expect a plusnet like service long term.

I hope I am wrong and they will only shape abusers or just lightly shape, but plusnet like this are marketing unmetered and simply limiting their users to a level that makes it impossible them to use heavy amounts.

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So they have free transit to america and the like? they still have to pay for peering dude (external traffic), without it you would only be able to connect to people on ntl and not the internet.

Also their internal network which seems to need upgrades costs money to upgrade.

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NTL have their own national fibre network. Indeed various companies pay for the use of it, including C+W. They probably buy fibre from one another to be honest.

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Yeah its just like I said that.

I suggest you understand that aswell as having to pay BT for use of the local loop, they also have to pay for their own peering too. ntl owning their own network cuts out this middle man.

As I said previously, its not a feasible reason that ntl would throttle back traffic if that was so, as there are many providers who still offer unlimited round the world.

Please don't speak to me like I'm some kind of tard.

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lol, 10gig. I watch hd content from the states and its no where near that.

Theres not a huge lot of analogue left to remove, what you fail to notice is that ntl's network is private so they have the full spectrum at thier disposal.

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Most, if not basically all HD broadcasts in the US are typically lower then the ATSC spec, bitrate wise.

Shutting down analogue and using the freed-up frequencies only will be of benefit when channel bonding or a second downstream channel is used.

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I understand that ntl no doubt should have much lower traffic costs then pipex and plusnet which I think is what you was trying to point out, certianly because they not paying a 3rd party for national traffic and also because of their size they should be able to negotiate lower per mbit pricing for external traffic.

The reason which I expect is behind any future shaping is profit, they are a merged company now and their #1 target will be getting into the black and staying there and then every year that target will increase.

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I personally think its a very feasible reason, and explains a lot.
Peering cost big money as I understand it, some of it seems to be done for almost nothing or on the basis of like for like.

If NTL really had total freedom to route any amount of traffic anywhere then the network would be fabulous, and the envy of the world, as we know that isn't the case, small pipes where there should be fat pipes and all that.

Unlimited only exists as a customer selling point, it means nothing to bandwidth providers I'd guess.

A good example of a similar situation, although more exaggerated, is with South Korea, massive bandwidth is available *inside* the country in major cities, they make our 10mb connections look like nothing, they regularily shift gigs of bandwidth between users (their free email and storage sites run into 50 or 100 gig instead of the 1 or 2 gig Yahoo or Google give (PDBox.co.kr gives 100 gig of space I think from memory) - BUT their external links are pooh, I have a few friends out there, and video conferencing with them etc is rubbish, peering again, I doubt if most providers out there pay for much, or can trade bandwidth with the rest of the world as the huge majority of traffic stays in the country.

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My GUESS is this will work itself out soon.

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I'd hope you are right, but in 5 months or so it hasn't yet, despite being reported several times.

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End of day the customers still pay when "it doesnt work out" so it shouldnt go bad in the first place.

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I really hope this rumour doesnt turn out to be not true.. I think i'll be abit upset if so!

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Well it is only a rumour..

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I know :D but ah it be damn nice tho. We pay alot of money in comparision with other ISPs that do similar speeds. What we get isn't all that good value for money. Having no caps would be abit of a consolation for ntls poor network, but lol it wouldnt do it any favours..

I guess we will see soon enuff

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10 meg unlimited is rather nice if you one of the few able to get 10 meg and want to rape the hell out of it. I'd rather they spent the money letting some of us 3 meg refugees (who were forced to downgrade from to 2 meg in order to obtain a usable internet connection). I'd rather they spend their money and efforts there. Oh well.

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Its more than a rumour;)

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Well, for those of you that doubt my credentials when it comes to all things ntl, I suggest you take a look at this website: http://www.allot.com/pages/products_...?intGlobalId=2 & then bookmark this thread for future reference.

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[sarcasm mode on]Cache Enforcer & traffic shaping - ooh goody[sarcasm mode off]
It doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that clicking on several links on that page gives internal server errors.

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That's more likely to be ntl's proxies causing that Ian.

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The link works perfectly here, on NTL.

What's the purpose of this link though? It's a company that makes traffic shaping gear. I could have got ten others through google.

Edit: No, some of the links are dead.

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The only purpose of any comment from Neil containing ntl is to be malicious.

I have never seen a proxy incorrectly return an Error 500 before...

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oops your source ok with this info been release I hope.

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Nope but I have an error 500 been generated as a result of the proxy.

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:rolleyes:

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Absolutely-it was cleared with them yesterday just before I posted it.

No need for ":rolleyes:" JTWN, traffic shaping from ntl is happening-fact.

I'm sorry you don't like the fact that you were wrong, & you think that because I posted it it must be made up/biased/whatever, but it's not so I suggest you get over it (& also yourself while you're at it)

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i can only assume your talking about a HDTV rip of a US tv show (lost / desperate housewives / my name is earl etc)

Your right it is no where near 10gig - what your getting is a rip. your looking at 350 meg (thats just scene rules it could if they had the time be a lot smaller) for a 40 min show. next up you can get a HR HDTV rip with ac3 sound at double the size (700meg) after that you start getting different res rips (720p etc @ 1.4gb) but thats still a rip, checking a nfo release site i can see an episode of "lost" with the following spec
Resolution:..................1280x720
Sound:................DolbyDigital5.1
Size:.............4.324.076.328.byte
Time:...............................42:49
4gig for a rip :) still just a rip
- the Transport Stream is big....

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'Real' HDTV you're talking 19.4Mbps and upwards (apparently).

The above program is about 13.5Mbps.

HOWEVER there's a fair chance that that is infact what it was broadcast at over cable, 2 x 13.5Mbps channels fit snugly into a single 64QAM 6MHz cable channel.

The main concern for the US networks is making as efficient as possible use of their bandwidth while supplying HD-like quality. Probably be the same here and I'd imagine that 19Mbps channels won't be that common. 2 of them will eat a 256QAM 6MHz channel totally.

They do fit nicely into the 38Mbps or so that a 64QAM 8MHz channel supplies, BUT ntl will almost certainly be running on 51Mbps 256QAM channels on the TV (already do on the VOD I believe) so 17Mbps to get 3 channels into that 51Mbps is more likely, if not 12.5Mbps to squeeze 4 in there.

A big difference between HD and SD as far as *most* cable operators go is that with SD they can use ubr - unspecified bitrate, so they can do things like putting 10 channels into a 38Mbps channel and using statistical multiplexing so that they all receive variable bandwidth depending on how demanding their needs are for bandwidth.

While Eastenders is a demanding program to watch its' bitrate needs are relatively minor compared to live footie for example. Doing it this was you assume that not every channel will need its' full bandwidth all the time, just as you don't supply 100% of the bandwidth that every cable modem needs so you don't supply 100% of the bandwidth all the channels need on grounds that not every channel will need 100% all the time. The issue there though lies when that multiplex combined requires more bandwidth than it's allocated, for example when the news is on and it's the sport reports that stream will be needing more bandwidth and might tip the whole multiplex over its' capacity. If ntl do use this it may explain why you see very occasional picture issues. (BTW A multiplex is a series of TV channels that are combined into a single data stream, just as your cable modem receives a constant data stream and picks out the bits it needs so does your set top box).

HDTV is far less tolerant of this so virtually requires CBR, constant bit rate. That 13.5 / 19.4Mbps has to be nailed up, meaning a lot less efficient use of spectrum. No doubt this is something being tackled by Scientific Atlanta, Motorola et al in a drive for more efficient use of cable spectrums.

Anyway apologies I've just dragged it all hideously off topic with this :)

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Will that traffic shaping affect people on the slower 1 and 2mbit connections or are NTL going to move everyone onto the faster speeds and shape them all?

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I'm awaiting some more info, but I suspect it will be all the products, not just the 10 meg.

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Cant tell if that was Mr Burns or Mr Brittas! :p:

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Well thats nice but I'd just like you to know I can still dl at 10mbit or near enough pretty much anytime I want.

The key word being like. I was watching a performance at the grammys and the bitrate for the most part was in single figures. Black levels were pretty high but the difference between that and other broadcasters (Euro1080i) / demos was glaringly obvious. I do believe that US cablecos do broadcast at VBR, as when at the end there was panning of the audience it went up to 14,15mbps, but that was probably just to stop it turning into a blockfest. Its kind of depressing when Live 8 was broadcast at a higher bitrate on an SD transmission though...

HD in the UK is definately going to have to be broadcast at a much higher quality in the US; they aren't used to the decent quality SD we are. At 13.5mbps it just isn't going to cut it so people are going to switch in droves. Its not made easier with ntl dropping the MPEG-4 box though.

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jtwn - good for you, we know you are one of a small % of customers who get a perfect service but you seem oblivious that ntl have some severe problems in some areas. Shaping will happen its a question of when. Knowing ntl tho I can see the 10meg customers get shafted on the shaping and the bottom 2 tiers only having a minimal affect.

Regarding hdtv, the .us hdtv I download is superior to tv I watch on my ntl service in both sound and picture.

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Ah-that's ok then.....

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Sure it wasn't just re-encoded with VBR by the rip program?

Live8 was 15Mbps SD? You sure? This would have put it well in excess of DVD quality.

EDIT: The rebroadcast on US TV was coded at about 7.6Mbps.

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traffic shaping?, well thats that then, where's my dialup modem then

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Well here's the latest I've been passed:

I told you it was coming, & coming it is.....

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of course it's coming - too much evidence and hints are coming through to suggest it isn't. it's the ideal way to implement a 10meg speed on all tiers without investment.

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I cant find secret squirel on our members list!

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I wouldnt bet on them using it to make all tiers 10meg, it may well be just to allow the current tiers to perform how they should.

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:LOL: I never said he/she was a member here did I? https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/03/3.gif

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The performances were DSRs, ripped and uploaded. AFAIK no null packets were stripped, don't quote me on that though.

Rebroadcast 7.5mbps? Seems high, I thought it was on MTV and we all know the leet quality they have on MTV.

Live8 Sample 73mb - http://tinyurl.com/ruvft

....Yes?

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it's the way broadband is heading - high speeds/peeing contest between suppliers and it's paid for by the small print (monthly usage allowances, traffic shaping etc) most people buy on the headline details not the small print.

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Not quite sure, it might be enough to just have a high speed available not necessarily at bargain base price.

zen for example have kept their 250kbit product live as they know their is a demand for low speed broadband at dialup price. No point selling a 8meg product at that price it isnt viable.

Plusnet appear to be planning on selling 8meg for a stupid price but their pricing models are stupid, bulldog seem to offer 8meg for under £20 but they are distance dependant and they know a great deal of customers due to distance will get a lot less and I bet law of averages would put it at around 4meg or so per customer. Also they are making massive losses on their consumer dsl market.

Both ntl and bt wholesale I can see struggling with mass rollout of anything above 2meg with their current infrastructure's the users are sharing a small bandwidth pool, LLU they share a gig pipe. Of course anything is possible with shaping but if ntl suddenly stick their entire customer base on 10meg the shaping needed to provide acceptable performance would be pretty heavy without network investment alongside it.

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dont worry - the marketing department drives things, the technical department picks up the pieces when it all goes tits up.

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Hi

Long time lurker 1st time poster.

It seems to be a recurring topic as far as NTL goes. I think there will be 2 camps form over this. Those that want to be able to see what they have used and be able to download quickly when they need to. And those that want to be able to download what they want when they want and not have to worry about how much they have used of there monthly amount.

I would be on the side of the all you can eat buffet. I would love to have 10 meg unlimited and would be willing to pay that bit more for it. Of course i would expect some of the extra money earned to be spent on NTL's network. However from what i have seen so far that would not be the case.

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I do sort of agree with you, I had anouther thought and yeah our broadband market is like politics full of spin.

Adsl 8meg speeds, 10% or so will actually get it but they all pay the same. Also capped.
Cable 10 meg speeds, everyone will be able to get it but many only at a few hours a day, some all day long, possibly capped.
LLU adsl 24meg speeds, a tiny proportion probably 2% or so may get 24meg most will get less.

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Think about this.

The customers of any Isp do not like caps. They are lets face it bad press for said Isps

Now if the Isp can traffic shape and get away with not letting anyone know they are shaping then BINGO, said ISP can then say they are now able to provide unlimited service:).

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spoken to a freind on irc who lives in germany their dsl market works like this.

they pay for phoneline of telco
they then pay for dsl on top say 10 euro for 2mbit
they then pay fee to isp on top of this which may be something like 2-3 euro for basic beginner package 2 gig traffic allowance.
they can pay 6 euro on top of this for unmetered.
he upgraded today to 6mbit for an extra 13 euro and if you already paid the 6 euro it is an unmetered connection.

He said they have no shaping there although was tried the customers simply moved away in mass numbers so was dropped and their dsl products generally are not contended on the local exchange only at the isp, people can download in evenings and no signs of speed dropping.

50mbit Vdsl is also been rolled out there this summer. fibre to the kerb. This is done with no government funding and they have to open their network to competitors (LLU)

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So, the moral of this story is if traffic shaping comes in for the 10mb lines to stay on 2mb and just wait a little longer for that linux distro to download. Hopefully they will steer clear of shaping 2mb (although it seems like they do it now, but that could just be ubr contention at peak times) or 1mb connections.

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The traffic shaping will be across all tiers, they won't solely implement it on 10Mb only for everyone to downgrade to 1 & 2 Meg & leech the living daylights out of those tiers.

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well, we'll have to wait and see what happens then.

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I can't see traffic shaping being implemented selectively.

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Great way to motivate people to spend less :)

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well if traffic shaping is comming there isn't a hope in hell chance that i will pay for top teir level prices ever again with NTL, just don't see the point in having the fastest speed if you cannot do anything with it except browse during peak times

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Can't people just encrypt thier data to bypass traffic shaping?

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If only it was that simple, I would assume the shaping software has ways around that.

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How would that work? Traffic shaping is on all ports, there would be no way to get around it.