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TheBlueRaja 17-03-2006 21:52

Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
http://www.firewallleaktester.com/tests.php

(Scroll to the bottom and click view results)

You might want to look here - updated 11th March - Glad i use Look'n'stop.

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Jesus - the top ranked one Jetico (which i'd never heard off) is FREEWARE!

http://www.jetico.com/

Anyone up for giving this a bash?

Anonymouse 17-03-2006 22:40

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Hmm. How accurate are these tests? Who says so, and what qualifies them to say so? More importantly, where if anywhere is the bias, i.e. are they trying to push their own software by claiming it's better? It would hardly be the first time. As Commander Vimes might say, "Where's the money?"

I judge AV and firewall software on results, i.e. does it stop your PC being hacked and/or catching viruses? Since mine (McAfee) does, I don't put much faith in that scoreboard. I hardly think McAfee would be so popular if their software was as full of holes as the scoreboard implies; I don't recall ever reading any complaints on their forum about it being easily hackable.

Installation problems and bug reports, yes, but at least it seems to be secure. :)

Paul 17-03-2006 22:47

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
ZoneAlarm has always sucked.

nffc 17-03-2006 22:56

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Jesus - the top ranked one Jetico (which i'd never heard off) is FREEWARE!

http://www.jetico.com/

Anyone up for giving this a bash?

I'm going to try it...

APS 17-03-2006 22:58

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Note they are ranking outbound leakiness (prevention of your PC being able to do damage by rogue apps). They say most give good prevention against inbound attacks, including Win XP's own firewall!

APS

nffc 17-03-2006 23:10

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
i'm online now after disabling Kerio, two reboots, then installing Jetico.

Very neat though noobs will find all the messages daunting, hoping with time they'll lessen as it gets used to my usage...

Only using 8 MB of Ram, atm.

TheBlueRaja 17-03-2006 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
i'm online now after disabling Kerio, two reboots, then installing Jetico.

Very neat though noobs will find all the messages daunting, hoping with time they'll lessen as it gets used to my usage...

Only using 8 MB of Ram, atm.

I suppose thats the sign of a good firewall, one that makes sure you give permission for everything that accesses the network.

In a way that the problem with the Nortons et al, you can really blame them as they have a different target audience, but it will leave them a bit more open.

Love the sound of the 8 Meg of ram - thats also good - not blotware.

My Looknstop is currently using 1,096k :D

nffc 17-03-2006 23:23

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As it stands, I'm testing things. LAN access (file/print sharing) is flawless both accessing my PC from others on the LAN, and other PCs from mine - and reloading firefox, etc etc, doesn't nag if you say "always allow".

Shall I get some screen grabs?

Down the Pub 17-03-2006 23:44

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
using comodo at the mo.......and at the mo had no probs (even if it is mid table on the chart), only gripe is the setting of application access and rules, and the never ending requests for program access to the web (good, but tedious)

driver_problems 18-03-2006 00:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
using comodo at the mo.......and at the mo had no probs (even if it is mid table on the chart), only gripe is the setting of application access and rules, and the never ending requests for program access to the web (good, but tedious)

a lot of the 'firewalls' like to show off with banners and alerts and stuff. I'm using kerio (which seems quite good) but am about to be emasculated down to the "free" version as my trial is just about up :(

Down the Pub 18-03-2006 00:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by driver_problems
a lot of the 'firewalls' like to show off with banners and alerts and stuff. I'm using kerio (which seems quite good) but am about to be emasculated down to the "free" version as my trial is just about up :(

this was free to, download and install and get free licence (thinks it lasts for 12 months and then is a free renewal)....easy. if u go to their website there is also a full and free back-up program aswell, i got it but haven't looked at yet.

driver_problems 18-03-2006 00:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
this was free to, download and install and get free licence (thinks it lasts for 12 months and then is a free renewal)....easy. if u go to their website there is also a full and free back-up program aswell, i got it but haven't looked at yet.

really? I was under the impression it was a pay per year arrangement. But will double check that


by back up - are you talking about spin right?

Down the Pub 18-03-2006 00:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by driver_problems
really? I was under the impression it was a pay per year arrangement. But will double check that

hmmmm, it says annual registration.....no clues as to minies to be paid...a bit mis-leading.


by back up - are you talking about spin right?

wot it says on the tin .........back-up

Shaun 18-03-2006 00:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
using comodo at the mo.......

Would assume he is on about Comodo DP

TheBlueRaja 18-03-2006 01:05

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
As it stands, I'm testing things. LAN access (file/print sharing) is flawless both accessing my PC from others on the LAN, and other PCs from mine - and reloading firefox, etc etc, doesn't nag if you say "always allow".

Shall I get some screen grabs?

Yeah why not.

But - use it for a couple of days to get a feel for it and then come back and let us know more - this could be a cracking firewall if its free and does what it says on the tin.

nffc 18-03-2006 13:57

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Here's some screen grabs.

1.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1...oard016le1.jpg

This is one of the little boxes that pops up when the internet / LAN is accessed or teh FW regards the program's behaviour as suspicious (I've opened it up more, to show all the text). Normally what I do is add the app to the Trusted zone if it's like Firefox something I use a lot that i know is OK.


2.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5...board010zd.jpg

This is the main window of the app, I'd just rebooted and then reconnected to the wireless explaining the lack of activity to the left! Very easy to see what is and isn't going off, the firewall however seems (after using for less than a day) to be a lot more advanced, a lot more customisable. I'd say it wasn't for anyone other than expert users.

3.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2...board019tt.jpg

The main application control area. Not really much to say here.

4.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/333...board017bz.jpg

The log file. Haven't looked into this yet.

5.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7...board012gl.jpg

Config area. Not really much interesting to say other than that this is the real nerve centre of the firewall (and I'm still working out myself exactly how it works!). The tree on the left expands into various areas to alter the settings for each program.

Just a taster - I'm continuing testing it, will probably come up with a more detailed review when I've been using it longer.

First impressions are very favourable.

Gareth 18-03-2006 15:58

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Nice one... have been playing around with some different ones recently and looking for new ones. Might give this a go too.

greencreeper 18-03-2006 16:16

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Surely it's about how you configure the firewall though? If you just give everything that pops up full access to the Internet, you might as well just uninstall the firewall. Very few applications have full access to the Internet on my PC - the majority are restricted to the trusted zone or certain servers. Finely tuned :) I'm using ZoneAlarm Pro.

Russ 18-03-2006 16:19

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Have you tested this new firewall with Steve Gibson's site?

pedantic 18-03-2006 17:41

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For advice on configuring rules for Jetico, there is an interesting thread here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=121009

I have been using rules based firewalls for years, Jetico can still be a little complex though. The thread above clears things up a little, even for experienced users. :)

nffc 18-03-2006 20:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
Have you tested this new firewall with Steve Gibson's site?

i would do, but I can't remember the link :(

Mal 18-03-2006 20:38

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
Have you tested this new firewall with Steve Gibson's site?

i would do, but I can't remember the link :(

Shields up

Down the Pub 18-03-2006 22:21

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
Have you tested this new firewall with Steve Gibson's site?

done the 2 probe scans and says that im stealthed.......but it said that about the last few firewalls i've tried (me's not thinkin that i'm that good), any other sites anyone can recommend? googled a few ie. hackerwatch and auditmypc but they don't appear to work because they say it's due to the proxy/cache servers, am i wrong in thinking that that the port probe tests on shields up/grc should work the same way as others?

TheBlueRaja 18-03-2006 22:26

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Thats the beauty of a proxy - they are probably probing the ports of the Proxy and not your PC.

Down the Pub 18-03-2006 22:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Thats the beauty of a proxy - they are probably probing the ports of the Proxy and not your PC.

point i was making was that how come the others couldn't probe me (not personally ;) not ready to be abducted just yet) but the shields up/grc site could........thought it was just a bit odd

TheBlueRaja 18-03-2006 22:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
point i was making was that how come the others couldn't probe me (not personally ;) not ready to be abducted just yet) but the shields up/grc site could........thought it was just a bit odd

It was probably mistaking the Proxy for you...

Just a guess.

Gareth 18-03-2006 22:50

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Hehehe, Steve Gibson :rofl:

nffc 18-03-2006 23:48

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Didn't work for me either - once i'd worked out how to get it to cane the proxy it went and owned the router instead... of course, an extra level from my pc!

TheBlueRaja 21-03-2006 22:33

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1 Attachment(s)
THIS is why you pay for a AV like NOD, well especially NOD, a new rootkit found TODAY (21st) and NOD users are protected already due to its advanced scanning engine which detects possible issues BEFORE a specific update to target a virus.

Note the screenshot at the end which shows all the AV's tested and how many found the rootkit - interesting viewing for many on here i think.

I've attatched the relevant image in this post as well.

nffc 21-03-2006 23:08

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That Avast version is old though, i'm on 4.6.673 dB update 20/03/06.

TheBlueRaja 21-03-2006 23:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
That Avast version is old though, i'm on 4.6.673 dB update 20/03/06.

Fair point! :D I cant argue with that... ;)

Toto 22-03-2006 19:41

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Tring the firewall.

Certainly not for computer novices though, you have to really know what you are doing.

I'd not trust those test results though to be honest, Zone Alarm is not a bad firewall, and certainly better that the piece of rubbish that M$ call a firewall. :)

TheBlueRaja 22-03-2006 20:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto
Tring the firewall.

Certainly not for computer novices though, you have to really know what you are doing.

I'd not trust those test results though to be honest, Zone Alarm is not a bad firewall, and certainly better that the piece of rubbish that M$ call a firewall. :)

The programs they used to test are on the same site, try them for yourself.

nffc 22-03-2006 21:03

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
I'm still liking it. It's practically transparent unless an application launches another which i'm used to Kerio nagging me about.

The interface and messages WILL scare noobs but let's be fair, they're gonna use windows firewall, Norton :grr: or nothing, aren't they?

TheBlueRaja 22-03-2006 21:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
I'm still liking it. It's practically transparent unless an application launches another which i'm used to Kerio nagging me about.

The interface and messages WILL scare noobs but let's be fair, they're gonna use windows firewall, Norton :grr: or nothing, aren't they?

For a freebie though - i bet you cant argue with that! ;)

Down the Pub 22-03-2006 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
For a freebie though - i bet you cant argue with that! ;)

true....... the only question is there a way to stop it flagging up an app (or every one as it doesn't seem to remeber much), not quite understanding how to set the rules, why can't i just say this app has permission to access network and this one doesn't, and the help files are a bit vague :confused:

TheBlueRaja 22-03-2006 23:04

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
true....... the only question is there a way to stop it flagging up an app (or every one as it doesn't seem to remeber much), not quite understanding how to set the rules, why can't i just say this app has permission to access network and this one doesn't, and the help files are a bit vague :confused:


Have a look over here..

nffc 22-03-2006 23:13

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
I'm still liking it. It's practically transparent unless an application launches another which i'm used to Kerio nagging me about.

The interface and messages WILL scare noobs but let's be fair, they're gonna use windows firewall, Norton :grr: or nothing, aren't they?

For a freebie though - i bet you cant argue with that! ;)

Not at all mate, just saying it's pretty much "experts only" - let's be fair, it's a cracking firewall but even if I could, I wouldn't mention it to customers :)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
For a freebie though - i bet you cant argue with that! ;)

true....... the only question is there a way to stop it flagging up an app (or every one as it doesn't seem to remeber much), not quite understanding how to set the rules, why can't i just say this app has permission to access network and this one doesn't, and the help files are a bit vague :confused:

Not at all, I'm normally quite good at working things out for myself which I suppose makes a difference here.

pedantic 22-03-2006 23:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Have a look over here..

Oi ! thief ! http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...1&postcount=20 :PP:

TheBlueRaja 22-03-2006 23:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic

:naughty: Sorry! :D

pedantic 22-03-2006 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
:naughty: Sorry! :D

:LOL:

nffc 08-04-2006 22:10

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Just uninstalled it because it went a bit silly... started blocking everything in the "optimal protection" so I was running in Allow All, which i thought was a bit pointless. Gone back to Kerio... the Jetico is a decent firewall but they need to sort that bug out really.

TheBlueRaja 09-04-2006 01:20

Re: Latest Firewall Test Results Roundup - Zone Alarm (Free) Sucks! (Surprise)
 
Sorry to hear that - you should try Look'n'Stop which is the firewall i use, its has the same learning curve in that its pretty hard to configure as its a proper firewall but its the mutleys as it has a small memory footprint, does exactly what it should do and has NEVER given me any jip, unless you include the amout of time it took me to work out how to set up my own rules. The default ruleset is supposed to be excellent but i went the whole hog and got the Phantom ruleset with it (which can now be got for free) and im more than happy.

It is about $30 though - but like i say its the mutts.

http://www.looknstop.com/En/index2.htm

Dont be fooled by the cheap web page - its a solid brick wall this one.

mcmanic 12-04-2006 13:09

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i use outpost have done for many months and its easy to use


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