the origin of AIDS
 

does anyone actually know how aids started ive had a quick look around and it seems it started out as the HIV virus from chimpanzes there is HIV-1 and HIV-2

and the polio vaccine maybe to blame for the outbreaks in africa

?

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People having sex with monkeys probably.

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heh always assumed something like that

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i would like this thread to be factual rather then a one lined comment that may not even be true

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oh come on!, if you wanted fact you would have looked it up on the net.
Origin of AIDS

if you post something like this on a forum expect people to have a bit of fun, chill out.

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i am 'chilling' im looking for factual evidence i dont believe everything i read on the net im sure some intelligent person on this forum will know

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Funny you should say that. Wasn't their something on the Discovery channel about an ape half bread ( Dirty b@stards )

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whats too say it not true kronas ;)

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I think you should all calm down (especially you Defiant!!!)

NOONE HAD SEX WITH MONKEYS!!!!

Someone probably ate a damn monkey or one bit someone or something like that!!!


Jeepers ....Why was sex with monkeys the first thing that came into peoples minds!!

Your all monkey NUTS i tell you!!!!!



#goes off in search of a porno monkey sex film#

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I found this just for you Defiant and Jerrek!!

http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/monkeysex.html

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If I remember correctly it's not a 'new' disease anyway - I'm sure I remember reading something that said the HIV virus was detected in some human laboratory samples dating back to the 1950's.

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I don't remember the program I was watching a while back but it stated that part of the aids virus was manmade and was not and could not be found naturally. There where accusations that it started out as a form of birth rate control introduced by the " west " into north africa and that it got out of hand.

Like I said, I don't remember the prog but if I do I will post it :)

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ok i've been doing a bit of research, i watched a programme a while back and wanted to find some stuff to back up what they said:
It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV).

The researchers concluded that HIV could have crossed over from chimpanzees as a result of a human killing a chimp and eating it for food.
according to the site, the first reported case of aids was in usa in 1981.......

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Yea?????

Well ive been doing my OWN research!!

Turns out their was an EXPERIMENT in the 50s involving a new kind of disease that was created by a JOINT operation by MI5 and CIA......It was to be used as contraceptive in AFRICA as we are all in fact RACISTS.......and wanted less BLACK people in the world.....but one of the AGENTS when he was going to take an INFECTED MONKEY to Africa had weird MONKEY SEX which created a strange HALF BREED know as WARBURTONS (thanks Defiant) it killed the AGENT and went on a crazy rampage having weird MONKEY SEX with SAILORS who in turn spread it around the rest of the WORLD!!!!

The strange half breed is still on the loose....Defiant seen a program on Discovery Channell

The evil racist plot is true bopdude remembers a program on the telly that stated it!!

Kronas your search is at an end!!

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sure u havent been watching fictional programmes, actually the sites that i looked at did say part of the HIV virus is not natural, it is probably man-made

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YEA!!! Man-Made by MONKEY SEX!!!!!!

Its all TRue!!!!

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What were you using to do the research, LSD ?

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Its all true I tell ya. Lets get all the do gooders together and ban TARZAN the dirty bugger

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:Yikes: - you mean aliferste is really Timothy Leary :eek::D

there are some interesting discussions about the origin of AIDS in the following link:)

http://boards.historychannel.com/thr...81&thread=1486

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#throws a monkey at you#

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The conclusions seem to be that no one can be really sure kronas.It maybe through African primates crossmutating a disease to humans but from what I've read no one wants to or can be positive.Somehow I think we may never know.The most worrying theory I read suggested that it is a man made virus that 'escaped' into the wild.That's way too frightening to me but if it is true then someone somewhere will be keeping very quiet which would seem unlikey to me.

Incog.

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exactly, i don't think we will ever have conclusive evidence as to how it started....people have speculated.......but the actual reason :shrug:

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Good rant!:rofl:

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i believe aids was created in a lab to keep down the population of countries....

it worked

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I doubt it is. AFAIK, HIV requires years to incubate. I would have thought that if it was a weapon (of Mass Destruction maybe), they would design something that works a bit quicker than HIV. I would also have thought they would develop a vaccine for it.

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I don't really believe it either.I think we will never really be sure about the origins.

BTW to those who are making all these jokes I for one do not appreciate them.I think they are tasteless and inappropriate for the originator of this thread who was IMHO actually seeking to treat the subject with some respect.If he had wanted to have it treated this way then he would have posted in the humour forum. :td: You are of course free to start your own thread in that forum yourself.

Incog :Peaceman:

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I don't think we will either. As long as we develop a cure one day though, it should be OK.

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:tu: coggy i agree :D

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Hey I'm being serous. You can get the virus from intercourse yes. Well someone may have had intercourse with a monkey. Daft yes but hey some people over here like their sheep too.


The topic is about the origins. Well this has to be one...

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You are 100% correct..........as i have shown .....the answer is down to "Monkey Sex"

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:shocking:
this was not intended to be a joke....
neither is it tasteless because its what i firmly believe happened....
and it is appropriate because this is a debate about the origins of aids and everybody should be allowed to have their say....

so everyone feel free to deduct me some more "good boy points" from my rating
:geez:

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Just because you believe it doesnt make it tasteless! :)

Anyway....we all know that

Racist people had Monkey Sex which caused AIDS

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someone actually did tell me it was a disease that was spread from america it was purposefully planted on to the people of africa and hence it started to spread ......

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the first reported case was in the states, but they would not confirmed where/how it appeared

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To anyone that says HIV is man-made, please point out other new viral or animal species that man has engineered. Please.

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No. Anthrax wasn't genetically engineered. It is a natural occuring bacteria. Animals have suffered from it for hundreds of years.

What is mixamytosis?

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Dont go getting all upitty ........YOU were the one that started the whole "MONKEY SEX" stuff!!! :nono:

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And that is what happened. Some guy in Africa decided it would be cool to bang a monkey, and got HIV.

Now how exactly is anthras (found in animals for hundreds of years) and m*whatever supposed to be genetically engineered? Proof please.

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I believe its a naturally occurring virus found in rabbits.

Although it isn't as stupid as it sounds:

US develops lethal new viruses

New Scientist vol 180 issue 2419 - 01 November 2003, page 6


The genetically engineered viruses should kill only mice. But critics say the work is risky and unnecessary


A SCIENTIST funded by the US government has deliberately created an extremely deadly form of mousepox, a relative of the smallpox virus, through genetic engineering. The new virus kills all mice even if they have been given antiviral drugs as well as a vaccine that would normally protect them.

The work has not stopped there. The cowpox virus, which infects a range of animals including humans, has been genetically altered in a similar way. The new virus, which is about to be tested on animals, should be lethal only to mice, Mark Buller of the University of St Louis told New Scientist. He says his work is necessary to explore what bioterrorists might do.

But the research brings closer the prospect of pox viruses that cause only mild infections in humans being turned into diseases lethal even to people who have been vaccinated. And vaccines are currently our main defence against smallpox and its relatives, such as the monkeypox that reached the US this year.



Taken from issue 2419 of New Scientist (1/11/2003)

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After recieving a reported thread message about the whole 'monkey sex' thing, PLEASE can we keep the tone of this thread a fraction above gutter level....

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This is complete and utter nonsense, it is a lie.


:banghead:

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This is complete and utter nonsense, it is a lie.

:banghead:

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Im only hypothesising using other peoples evidence :angel:

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Someone TOLD him.....therefore it must be true
!!!

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Lets face facts


:dmonk: :romance:



Im not saying another word on the matter!!!

Someone thinks they may have seen a program on the telly about it........it must be true!!!

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[QUOTE=aliferste]<snip>QUOTE]

Come on people lighten up.

It's man made is my guess, all the experiments "they" do that we never know about probably caused it.

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Who's got a problem with monkeys

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Is that your bird?

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No you plonker here's a bird


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so much so you had to double post ?

ok if that is a lie no one has come up with any credible evidence to suggest otherwise


and can we keep on topic

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:******:

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He was replying to two seperate statements !!!


:monkey:

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yes he was my mistake i didnt realise aids was a laughing matter :rolleyes:

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When people complain to admin about something that could be true and admin make a post about it I find that funny,

A thread is made, subject "the origin of AIDS" but anything taboo which could be true cannot be posted because some narrow minded people get upset if an ant falls off a table

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It could be ALIENS!!!!!!!

Im SURE my mate told me he read in a magazine about a program that maybe said that ALIENS sent viruses to Earth to WIPE us all out !!!!!!!!

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I don't think what is being discussed is an issue. I think it's the way it's being discussed.

I'll repeat what Incognitas said earlier. I think kronas intended this as a serious discussion. If he had intended as the joke people are clearly taking it as, he would have posted it in humour.

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IIRC it entered the human race from african's EATING (not bonking) chimps.
This then spread, eventually reaching someone who transfered it to the sex dens of the orient.
From there Patient Zero (can't remember his name) brought it to the gay saunas of LA.
It then spread (of course most people foolishly thought it was only a gay disease) through blood transfusions (loads of haemophiliacs have died because of this), bisexuals and needle sharing.
Somewhen it mutated into type 2 HIV either when it moved to the orient or america, leaving mainly type 1 HIV in africa.

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Kronas take a look at:

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

This seems to me to me a credible approach and no doubt similar accounts will be found elsewhere. It's up to you whether you choose to believe this or not: if not then that's up to you. But please let's have some evidence and not wild statements which frankly do not have agrain of truth in them.

:rolleyes:

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You see......to all the people that are giving me negative reputation points for this thread....I just cant be bothered having serious debates with people anymore!!

After watching a couple of mates go through hell because they have HIV and then to come on a forum to see utter drivel being sprouted about people having sex with monkies and about AIDS being man made to control the population of Africa is just plain infuriating.

People seem to take Urban Myths and turn them into reality......Ive found time and time again that it doesnt matter if you state facts and figures people would still want the rubbish and to not change any view!

Basically you can tell someone the reasons how AIDS came about and back it up but really they still think that monkey sex is used to kill black people as their mate told em down the pub.

The one good thing is that HIV doesnt have to be the big killer it once was.....someone with HIV can live an ordinary life ..with the same life span with the correct drugs :)

Although in Africa ironically they cannot afford them!!

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Trying to have a dig at someone their aliferste. Now thats not like you is it. As for the Monkey sex thing well you know for a fact that that could never happen don't you. NO you dont do you

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ok herein lies the problem, people make jokey comments about issues which are serious and DO effect people..... kronie started it as a serious thread and some people completely turned it round.....
maybe aids did originate from monkies, and i am not going to comment on the way this was transefered to humans, i don't know and i dont care....

maybe i should lighten up (as i am sure some people will tell me to do) however i think AIDS is a serious issue and think it is insensitive to make light of it........

i am not saying it is the case, but we do not know every member of this forum personally, and someone on here may have HIV..imagine how they would feel to read this........

yeah it is jokey to talk about the origins but as russ has said lets try and keep this serious (if we can) :angel:

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Poeple 1000 times more inteligent than you do not think that AIDS was caused by Monkey Sex.

And as for some kind of monkey man hybred :rolleyes:


Actually , I wasnt having a dig at you....you must have a guilty conscience!! :)

YOU were the one that started on about do gooders again :erm:

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Can you show me where these people 1000 more intelligent than me and 100000 more intelligent than you have written to confirm this

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You see THAT is exactly the attitude I am talking about
:rolleyes:

And THIS coming from the person that thinks if you have monkey sex you get a monkey man Hybrid!! :erm:

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Merely pointing out a possibility that has not been disproved

Or poor aliferste is that the best you can do. Well try getting your fact's right. I was pointing out what someone else has mentioned in a prevous thread on this board. Something they said they had seen on the Discovery channel. But then you only believe what you want to believe dont you

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After the monkey sex thingus

ahem!

Defiant......I can tell you RIGHT NOW that if you have sex with a monkey you cannot get a monkey man!! (or women)

or any animal for that matter!!


I love the way you think you know the way i think :)

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This thread is a joke from start to finish, some have tried to make intelligent comments and others have used it to take a cheap pop at each other, Bexy and Russ have tried to stop it but still people continue.

PACK IT IN.

In squabbling between yourselves your coming up with completely stupid arguments that make both you (you know who you are) and the site look stupid.

If you all are that interested in the origins of AIDS then I suggest that you use www.google.co.uk Rather than making up completely ludicrous hypothesise of your own.

To put all this nonsense to an end here is the theory most scientists agree with.

So there you have it the Origin of AIDS/HIV in a nut shell.

There are other theory's like the one below, but the one above the generally accepted theory.

Now if you guys want to discuss this like adults then please carry on, if not and you want to continue to make yourselves look stupid then please take it to PMs or MSN, if not then I'm sure Russ/Keyser or whoever will oblige and close this sad excuse for a discussion.

As a side note please feel free to use www.Google.co.uk and do your own research in future (it is free after all!!) ~~~Thats NOT aimed at you Kronas ;) ~~~

edit
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

New Scientist (unsure of the issue number, I can't find the link again :rolleyes: )

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will you two pack it in. :knock: you have completely managed to hijack this thread.

however for post 62 aliferste i will when i can rep you a good point for a fair post.as usual the rep system means i have to spread some rep around again.


incog.

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DID I SAY YOU COULD ?. I quoted someone from this board that said they had seen something on Discovery about it. Now how many times do you need telling :banghead:

And I do know the way you think http://www.ntlhell.co.uk/html/emoticons/pooh.gif. You your always the same and when sussed out like now you just keep repeating the same thing

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Incog, wake me when someone says something interesting will you :kiss:

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Actually I'm going to go take a peek at Outlaw Star for a short while.Maybe when I get back everything will be calmer.

Insert pigs flying smiley here.

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:angel:

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Ok STOP!!!!

I've had too many complaints about this thread now.

AIDS is certainly an issue which cannot be ignored but when discussing it I would expect a degree of compassion and responsibility, but what do i see? Mickey-taking and messing about and I'm sorry but that stop here.

I'm going to watch this thread, if there's any more insensitivity then posts will be removed.

Peeps I hate being like this, you are usually a good bunch but some of the things being said in this thread quite frankly disturbs me.

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:LOL:

Bill Bryson (A short history of everything) is calling, so I'm going too, maybe your right, things may change!!! :monkey: :monkey:


I couldn't find a flying pig one!! :( http://www.paulsxp.com/smilies/otn/animals/oink.gif

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Incog :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: for Russ.

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[QUOTE=Russ D]Ok STOP!!!!

I've had too many complaints about this thread now.

AIDS is certainly an issue which cannot be ignored but when discussing it I would expect a degree of compassion and responsibility, but what do i see? Mickey-taking and messing about and I'm sorry but that stop here.

[QUOTE]

Thanks Russ. And, honestly, I am not being Sarcastic..