Originally Posted by Nemesis

After a recent conversation about Men & Women ... it would appear that Men are no longer required ... for anything.

Women have succeeded in burning their bras, voting, and in todays' world meet Men head on in nearly every ascpect of life.

So I ask the question ....

Are Men needed any more ?

Originally Posted by Nemesis

After a recent conversation about Men & Women ... it would appear that Men are no longer required ... for anything.

Women have succeeded in burning their bras, voting, and in todays' world meet Men head on in nearly every ascpect of life.

So I ask the question ....

Are Men needed any more ?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

There would be less wars without us.....:mis:

Originally Posted by bexy

they have their uses :naughty:......but seriously......

i think men are needed...for example, i think men need to be there to guide and lead a household (old fashioned view i know) and i think kids need a stable man in their life as a role model and as a person they can respect....

women may not need them as much in a financial way, because we are now getting degrees and successful jobs, however we still come across the glass ceiling effect.....

will have a further think about this question tho :erm:

but the saying "can't live with them, cant live without them" springs to mind

Originally Posted by bexy

but would there??? think about a society where there are no men (or maybe they are kept in reproduction farms or something) {i know a bit sci fi here but who cares} don't you think that the hierarchy amongst the women would develop....therefore there are going to be women who take on the role that men would have in a normal society....and therefore these women would start wars......

Originally Posted by Ramrod

mmmm.....possibly, but ther rest of the women probably wouldn't go along with it....less testosterone you see....:)

Originally Posted by downquark1

In my experience women argue more than men, I think war would still exist, less or more is debatable.

Since most the engineering profession are men the future would likely see no more innovations but more expensive clothes ;)

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Are Men needed any more ?

Originally Posted by Russ D

Put a nice big hairy spider in the bath and then ask a woman that question :D

Originally Posted by bexy

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why do men need to guide? i guess i am fairly christian in my views there, the man is the head of the household and the women should submit to him......not submition is not a case of blindly following the guy but it is the case that he possibly has the final say.......

Originally Posted by bexy

and ur defending the womens view because u are playing devils advocate :p

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I disagree, and I think a lot of Women would too ... Women can be Leaders (Maggie Thatcher) and be strong and forthright in their views and opinions ... who says the Man has to have the last say ????

No just a Devil :D

Originally Posted by bexy

hmmm im not convinced........are u saying that women are more pacifists than men? convince me plz...

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Purely because women have a lot less testosterone, they are less physically agressive than men.:shrug:

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Purely because women have a lot less testosterone, they are less physically agressive than men.:shrug:

Originally Posted by bexy

have u ever experienced a women with pmt? :p

but could it be that actually women are normally less violent because of socialisation? if little boys fight parents say "boys will be boys" if little girls fight we get told "now is that the sort of behaviour one should see from a little girl"

Originally Posted by Nemesis

But what about Jobs ... is there any jobs that a Woman couldn't do ??

They may be less agressive, but is that not a good thing, differences of opinion could be sorted out without physical violence ...

However, there is the ingrained bitchiness of women ...

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Who would open all the jars?
Who would parellel park the cars?

Originally Posted by Russ D

In all seriousness, women need men and menneed women.

Originally Posted by trebor

who would cut the grass ?
who would fit a new electrical plug ?
who would change the light bulbs ?
who would paint the house ?

Originally Posted by trebor

Perhaps the question should have been are women needed ?

having said that I wouldn't be without one ;)

Originally Posted by Russ D

In all seriousness, women need men and men need women.

Originally Posted by dellwear

Personally I do wonder if women are needed but I guess I'm biased! :LOL:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Seriously though, is there anything that Men do, that Women can't ??

Originally Posted by bexy

produce sperm :p;)

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Point taken ... but this leads back to your sci-fi reproduction farm theory. Men are only actually required for one thing ... to aid with reproduction.

Is that it ... are Women now that liberated that they now stand on a wholly equal footing with Men ??

Originally Posted by Russ D

Men need women and vice versa because whether you believe in God, Mother nature or whatever, we were designed to be together. All this "Independant woman" rubbish is a waste of time and men keeping women down is equally stupid - we need each other.

Originally Posted by bexy

for socialising of children i think men are essential......

i may be a strong, independent women, but i like having a man in my life, i like being guided by him, and i like being able to rely on a men.......there is something special about having the support of a man..rather than just support of female friends (which is also important)

Originally Posted by bexy

maybe i don't "need" a man in my life the way women used to but it is nice to have them there........and one day when i have kids i will NEED a man in my life.

Originally Posted by bexy

xaccers parrell park comment :nono:

Originally Posted by Russ D

Men need women and vice versa because whether you believe in God, Mother nature or whatever, we were designed to be together. All this "Independant woman" rubbish is a waste of time and men keeping women down is equally stupid - we need each other.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

There is always the fight over who is the better sex, is there a better one ??

Originally Posted by Nemesis

... Women can be Leaders (Maggie Thatcher) and be strong and forthright in their views and opinions ...

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Nope, neither is better, both are just different

Originally Posted by Nemesis

OK, so is it equality, rather than having one or the other .... I know some women who would disagree ... heartily :D

There is always the fight over who is the better sex, is there a better one ??

I can understand the relying on a partner, but disagree that the Man should always have the last word. Surely any relationship is a partnership, equal all the way ??

Why NEED ??

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Women are medically different to men and not as good when it comes to spacial awarness tasks such as parking.

Men are medically different to women in that we don't have a single specialised area for language so it's harder for us to communicate and be empathic, we don't have as good peripheral vision so it's easier for women to spot us oggling other women, women can find mates easier than men can.

Originally Posted by bexy

<snip> reminds me of a convo with ur wfie on saturday :p

Originally Posted by bexy

:eeek: i do hope your joking, that was an extremely male culvanist comment to make :mad:

Originally Posted by downquark1

There are more male engineers - the clothes thing was a joke

It's no more than anyother 'male culvanist' comment made here, why does everyone pick on me :mis:

Originally Posted by downquark1

There are more male engineers - the clothes thing was a joke

It's no more than anyother 'male culvanist' comment made here, why does everyone pick on me :mis:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Don't worry downquark1, I'm sure she didn't mean it, I mean Bexy lets the Man have the last word :D

Originally Posted by bexy

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need when i have kids because......i am of the view that for at least the first five years the women should be at home with the kiddies, thus would need to guy to earn money

Originally Posted by Nemesis

... :erm: so why can't the Man stay at home, and the Woman work ???

what are you trying to say Bex ??? Can't Men look after the children at that age ??

Originally Posted by bexy

oh im sure they can, i am not disputing that, but me personally, i want to stay home with my kids, i want to have that special bond with them....it's only fair that we get some time off work to bring the kids up, after nine months of having them grow inside of us, the morning sickness, putting on weight, the weird food cravings, and then labour :eek: :p ;)

Originally Posted by Nemesis

... and what if your other half wants to too ??? What then, you'll bring up the 'I've been carrying it" argument ?? Unfair...

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You know, women going out to work is probably a major reason for house prices being so high.

With two incomes people can afford more, and so house owners charge more

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You know, women going out to work is probably a major reason for house prices being so high.

With two incomes people can afford more, and so house owners charge more

Originally Posted by bexy

you also need to remember women are generally getting married later, so they do have to work for longer.....or are women getting married later, because they are concentrating on their careers more :erm:

Originally Posted by basa

Would be nice if us men could have that choice !!??

(I'll get me coat ! :walk: )

Originally Posted by basa

Would be nice if us men could have that choice !!??

(I'll get me coat ! :walk: )

Originally Posted by bexy

have u ever experienced a women with pmt? :p

but could it be that actually women are normally less violent because of socialisation? if little boys fight parents say "boys will be boys" if little girls fight we get told "now is that the sort of behaviour one should see from a little girl"

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Seriously though, is there anything that Men do, that Women can't ??

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Women are medically different to men and not as good when it comes to spacial awarness tasks such as parking.

Men are medically different to women in that we don't have a single specialised area for language so it's harder for us to communicate and be empathic, we don't have as good peripheral vision so it's easier for women to spot us oggling other women, women can find mates easier than men can.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Men need women and vice versa because whether you believe in God, Mother nature or whatever, we were designed to be together. All this "Independant woman" rubbish is a waste of time and men keeping women down is equally stupid - we need each other.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Hmmmm.It's all wrapped up together, girls fight less because of less testosterone therefore girls are precieved as being less aggressive so when girls do fight they are told 'thats no way for a girl to act'.....etc..

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Put yer coat away ... this is the type of comment I'm after .... tell us more, tell us how you feel ..

Originally Posted by basa

OK then.....

Situation..married, two pre-teen daughters. Partner currently not working, so she does all (most) of the housework..washing, cleaning, cooking, sort of thing.

I do home repairs, car repairs, gardening, occasional shopping.

I don't get much 'hands on' with the kids as I'm gone before they get up and partner organises most stuff for them.

On days off and weekends I try to do stuff she would do but generally pretty hopeless at it through lack of experience of the routines ! Get bollocking off partner making me feel not much more than a meal ticket at times !!

Also having wife and two daughters I am the only male influence on the household, which is difficult.

Dunno why I'm telling all this :spin: or what I'm trying to say, but, that's it ! :dozey:

Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

Agreed. - Gone are those days when men use to tie their wife to the kitchen sink/Cooker (Horrible term to use I know), ;)

Originally Posted by Nemesis

So let me get this right .... it's Womens fault that the house prices are as high as they are, because they have liberated themselves and established themselves in the workplace.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I thought mens peripheral vision would be better than womens......

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No, women needed good peripheral vision to spot danger aproaching.
Men needed good tunnel vision for hunting. Men spot moving things easier than stationary, hence why we can never find our keys!

Originally Posted by Incognitas

want us to treat each other as people and not as genders so really i see little point in us starting threads that just widen the gender stereotyping.

incog. :nono:

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I think that the direction that this thread is taking is a good/group hug type of direction:)

Originally Posted by Ramrod

But peripheral vision primarily responds to quick movement.:confused:

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Who would open all the jars?
Who would parellel park the cars?

Originally Posted by Bender

and in my experience, who would:

catch the spiders, mow the lawn, programme the VCR, tune in the tele, work the DVD, fix the PC, change the ceiling light bulbs without a chair, show the missus how to work her mobile phone, discard the instruction manuals, clear the garage out.... and so on!

Originally Posted by Bender

I did say it was in MY experience. It was not meant as a generalisation! Sorry.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Q:whats wrong if your wife comes out of the kitchen to have a go at you?
A:You made the chain too long!

Originally Posted by Russ D

In all seriousness, women need men and men need women.

Originally Posted by ic14

I havent read through the whole thread yet :spin: but it seems russ has the same view as me.

Originally Posted by ic14

I havent read through the whole thread yet :spin: but it seems russ has the same view as me.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

The only NEED is for procreation ...

THe point is do Women need Men in any other way, in the same vein, do men need Women in any other way. If so how and why ?

Originally Posted by bexy

men are needed cos women need hugs

Originally Posted by Xaccers

*really big hugs*

Originally Posted by Nemesis

The only NEED is for procreation ...

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Men are like cream cakes, you don't need one but you really want one :naughty:

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Men are like cream cakes, you don't need one but you really want one :naughty:

Originally Posted by Chimaera

I dunno bexy - I must choose the wrong ones, never got any emotional support from either of the two men in the 'significant' relationships I've had.
I'm now quite happy to be alone - well with 2 teenage girls in tow - it's much less hassle, I have no worries of being let down or anything like that.
I have learned to be very self sufficient (decorating, gardening etc) and have a good plumber, builder etc to hand.
I even get full custody of the tv remote - what more could I want?? ;)

Originally Posted by Chimaera

Dunno mate - it's not happened so far! :)
I mean - I meet lots of nice blokes - but just not in that way!
I know not all men are like that - but they are the ones that are already in steady relationships - and that's a :nono: as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Debsy42

I live on my own and can live quite happily without "needing" a man but have found that life can be a good laugh if you do meet a good one, no reason why men can't be as good friends as girlies can

Originally Posted by scastle

As a man, I am probably not the best person to answer this, but I'd like to think we are needed!