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Paul K 07-01-2006 18:55
Walking among us
 
BBC
Quote:
The Chief Constable of Merseyside is to write to the Home Secretary condemning a decision to allow a convicted triple child killer to go on day release.
David McGreavy has been allowed to walk around Liverpool unsupervised as part of preparations for his release from Ford Prison in Arundel, West Sussex.
Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe said the decision was a "disgrace" and put children's safety at risk.
McGreavy, 54, was jailed in 1973 for murdering three children in Worcester.
He killed Paul Ralph, aged four, and his sisters Dawn, aged two, and nine-month-old Samantha before impaling their bodies on iron railings.
Let's hope that this one is monitored properly if he does get released :(

punky 07-01-2006 19:09
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How the hell did a triple murderer end up in Ford Open Prison anyway?

And how comes a prisoner in Sussex gets day release to walk around Liverpool? Are they going to drive him there and back every day?

marky 07-01-2006 19:11
Re: Walking among us
 
Monitored ? yes, by the familys of the kids to see how long it takes his heart to stop, whilst swinging from a rope.:mad:

Paul K 07-01-2006 19:18
Re: Walking among us
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky
How the hell did a triple murderer end up in Ford Open Prison anyway?

And how comes a prisoner in Sussex gets day release to walk around Liverpool? Are they going to drive him there and back every day?
You know I didn't believe it till I read it but:
Quote:
Ford
HMP Ford is a category D training establishment with an emphasis on resettlement.
A former Fleet Air Arm Station, it converted to an open prison in 1960. Further buildings were added including a gate complex, chapel, education and probation.
Accommodation comprises of single and two-person rooms. Two dormitories remain in use, which will be converted by mid 2005.
Governor: Fiona Radford
Accommodation: Dormitory and single room accommodation.
Operational Capacity: 541 as of 10 March 2005
Reception Criteria: Category "D"
Regime: An expanded induction programme is in place supported by the prisoner peer support group (FOCUS). Work opportunities include farms and gardens, vocational work in workshops as well as opportunities for long term prisoners to work in the community on rehabilative and reparation work through the community services department. Education provision includes a wide-range of courses that enable prisoners to gain key vocational and academic qualifications. Specialist Training Services provide a job Club, which offers a full range of job seeking activities and support for all prisoners regardless of their length of sentence. Ford has a prisoner Listener group that provides confidential emotional support to other prisoners.
CAT D, work opportunities, working in the community?? For a 3 times child killer???? WTF is going on here????

Hom3r 07-01-2006 19:47
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These people should be plugged in to the AC

Bill C 07-01-2006 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
You know I didn't believe it till I read it but:

CAT D, work opportunities, working in the community?? For a 3 times child killer???? WTF is going on here????
It will be the same old story.

1. Let out.
2. some meddling do gooder says you cannot watch him. So we stop watching him.
3. Kills again.
4. Meddling do gooder now no where to be seen.
5. We say we told you so.
6. He is put away again and a family has to live with the lose of a loved one.


Same again in 6 months after that.

Ramrod 07-01-2006 20:48
Re: Walking among us
 
Post #7
...he killed them with a razon and curtain wire.....and they are letting him out!

Chimaera 07-01-2006 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Post #7
...he killed them with a razon and curtain wire.....and they are letting him out!
And then impaled them on railings! :(

Russ 07-01-2006 21:09
Re: Walking among us
 
I think a more appropriate title for this thread would have been "slithering among us".

AndrewJ 07-01-2006 21:47
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Yeah let him out, lets hope the ****er has the family of the kid he killed waiting with a 12guage.

andyandy 07-01-2006 23:18
Re: Walking among us
 
Or that he "Falls down the stairs" and is "accidently left by himself with a lynch mob" on his release.

Nidge 08-01-2006 14:46
Re: Walking among us
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
BBC

Let's hope that this one is monitored properly if he does get released :(

Why don't they let him live on the same street as the chief constable? There will soon be a row brewing when the copper gets a smell of it. Lock the monster up for life.

Ramrod 08-01-2006 15:10
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This is part of the problem in this country:

Quote:
There is no other British institution that operates with the unassailable power that the judiciary wields. Its unelected practitioners are largely untouchable, unaccountable and unpunishable......In the past five years Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, has referred 501 sentences to the Court of Appeal because they were felt to be unfair and in need of adjustment. Although these cases include a range of offences such as rape, people trafficking and street robbery, many involve serious child abuse. Overall, 373 sentences were found by the Court of Appeal to be unduly lenient. In 303 cases sentences were increased. About 70% of sentences were extended in child abuse cases......One vivid recent example concerns the man who received a three-year community rehabilitation order for six counts of indecent assault against his seven-year-old daughter.....a man convicted of raping a 13-month-old baby and possessing indecent images of children received a five-year prison sentence......A rare example of a judge subjecting himself to public grilling was John Gower, who sentenced the paedophile Roy Whiting to four years in 1995 for the sexual assault of a little girl. Although Whiting went on to murder Sarah Payne, having served just over two years, Gower described criticism that the original sentence was too short as †œwater off a duckâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s backâ₠¬Ã‚.
I urge you to read the full article.

MovedGoalPosts 08-01-2006 15:17
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Interesting, McGreavy was jailed in 1973. He's still inside now, even with this day release bit. That's comforably over 30 years inside. Altough cases like this in my view should have permanent life internment, what chances are there, under today's lax sentencing that he'd have stayed inside this long?

Maggy 08-01-2006 15:17
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Please remember that the judiciary do have to work within guidelines.They do not make the rules and have to work within the parameters set however much they may like to impose heavier sentences.If they don't they may find themselves 'pushed' out of the job or the majority of their cases may be sent to the court of appeal. :erm:

Ramrod 08-01-2006 16:23
Re: Walking among us
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
Please remember that the judiciary do have to work within guidelines.They do not make the rules and have to work within the parameters set however much they may like to impose heavier sentences.If they don't they may find themselves 'pushed' out of the job or the majority of their cases may be sent to the court of appeal. :erm:
Thats the whole thrust of the article that I posted.....they can't really be removed from their positions and they often don't apply as lengthy a sentence as they could....

Quote:
Only the Queen can dismiss a High Court judge, and only then after a motion from both houses of parliament. More junior judges may be dismissed by the lord chancellor †” but only, it seems, if a judge has completely lost his or her marbles or misbehaved so badly that he or she can no longer credibly sit in a court of law......It is little known that anyone can complain about a bad sentence to the attorney-general or the solicitor-general. Not only do courts usually fail to publicise this right of appeal, there is also an absolute 28-day deadline for making one. All days count, including weekends and bank holidays. In practice, that means the parents of a child raped by a paedophile have only days to act after sentence is passed.......After Judge Gabriel Hutton fell asleep twice during a rape trial in 2001, causing it to be abandoned at immeasurable cost to the victim and £35,000 to the taxpayer, his punishment was a rebuke from the lord chancellor.

TheDaddy 08-01-2006 22:34
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I seem to remember "life would mean life" being said when hanging was abolished, that was soon dropped.


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