So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Does the unlimited download actually start on the 1st or do we have to wait until someone at NTL says 'ready, steady, GO'.
To be honest I'm not sure my download habits will change that much, it'll be nice not looking over my shoulder so to speak for that first letter!!

happy new year everyone

p

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

they didn't enforce the limits anyway... did they?

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

they can't have done, I'm sure I regularly went over 30Gb a month, never heard nothing from them.

p

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I'm just going to continue to use my connection normally. i.e. I do what I want to do with it, always have, always will.

Chances are tommorrow I'll do very little with it - I'll probably be sleeping off a hangover :drunk:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

No change in habit for me. Will be the same as it always has.;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

What? Downloading Linux? :D

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Is there anything else? Me and linux we're like: :handshake

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

am I the only one who has recieved no email or letter about the unlimited?

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

no - I havn't, either, or anything on my latest bill ...

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I'm gona download the whole internet.................... just because I can. :D

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Heh you might well find you get slapped if you do ;)

Just because there's no formal limit they still reserve the right to tell you to behave if you go OTT ;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

:Yikes:........ but then it wouldn't realy be unlinited then would it.:rolleyes:

btw, I was only joking about downloading the entire internet:D

I've already got half of it.:D:D

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

No ISP offers 'totally unlimited' they can all kick you off if they don't like how much you are using :)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Nor me.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Do you think I could claim deminished responsibiity. :D

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Isnt that false advertising then? Im sure they can be sued for doing that ;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I got my bill this morning, and it says on it 'Merry Xmas & Happy New Year! We are improving our Broadband services: 1. No more usage allowance for 1mb & 2mb. Get unlimited Internet access from Jan 06'

My download habits won't change - but It's nice not having to keep an eye on how much I DO download.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

not at all - it is 'unlimited' - but subject to their terms & conditions, which provide for removal of accounts showing 'unreasonable' use ;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Nope you'll find the usual disclaimers about being subject to conditions I'm afraid, so you'll have to hold off from having that upstream saturated on your website all the time ;)

ntl has (or had when I was there) a rather oversized legal team who had next to everything put through them and they aren't that stupid.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Its isnt saturated, its limited to 10KB/s maximum. Doesnt matter how many people try and download, the most it will give out is 10KB/s. Plus, my server uses about 2GB/m at present. I doubt it will be go much higher.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I am gonna be nagging the gf to let me move to 3mb with the higher cap :d

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

you mean 10mbit? with a 75gb/month cap

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Seeing how I dont even use 30GB, im going to upgrade for the higher upload speed mainly.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

How do you know that you dont use 30gb Abyss?

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

any decent webserver has logs which show the bandwidth used
or it could be something as simple as dumeter

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Yip 10mb with a 75gb cap im moving to asap.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Exactly. My global logs show less than 2gb/month on average, and I myself use about 10GB/m just browsing etc.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

This sounds a bit confusing compared to what we've been hearing before (I've have no info about unlimited either by the way). My understanding was we're all being moved to 10mbit eventually, but the differences in tariff would be down to how much you could download (75gb on top tier).

So does this now mean we won't automatically be moved to 10mbit, but can stay on 2mbit with unlimited downloads instead?

I also notice the news page said the broadband plus conetent is free now if you're on 2mbit, is this right? Would be good to try it if it was, as I've always avoided it because of the extra fees involved.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

well as far as i know sometime this year all 1mb and 2mb customers will be given the option to move to 10mb for the same price with a certain limit

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

But whats the point in 10Mbps if you have a crap limit of say 30gb/month? There are ISP's in sweden that offer 24Mbps unlimited, so whats stopping NTL doing this except for congestion? If its congestion then why dont they get their act together and do something about it? If other countries can do it, whats to say we can't!?!?!

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

People in other countries don't **** and moan as soon as they can't get full speeds. They are also more accepting of traffic shaping, etc.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

HA! I have someone on MSN from sweden and if he doesnt get full speed on any site he complains to his ISP (and weirdly they care). Mind he does download about 50GB/day on average.

I couldnt care about not getting 10Mbps all the time, as long as I got it some of the time. 75GB/month is nothing for some people. If NTL offer such high speeds, they should offer a high cap as well. Thats my only argument and complaint.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Because suprisiing as this concept may be to you, most people don't actually try and download the internet each month - they just like what they do to be nice and fast.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I agree thats true but what happened to broadband being broadband? Yes, fast but originally broadband was never capped. Which idiot thought this idea up? He wants shooting:angel:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

HA! I have Santa on my MSN and he has an OC2425465345 Connection and has the Internet on his hard drive so there! :p:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

lol

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Might i ask if you are so into other country's level of service you go move there. This is the UK not sweden,gemany,holland,or any other country. It is of no relevance at all what other countries have. What is of relevance is what we have in THIS COUNTRY. Now if your present level of service is not good enough for you SERVER then might i suggest you find a provider that will give you the level of service you want. I for one are sick and tired of you complaining that the level of service you have as a residential user is not good enough for your what i can only see as a Business server as you openly state that there are graphic files on it for other people. Now i for one if i do work for some one else will change for it or are you a charity or something.


Just had to get that off my chest. I will now sit back and wait for all the red reps BRING THEM ON see if i care :)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So im on 1mb.Whats changed??Can i upgrade to 10Mb for free??,Have i know got unlimeted downloads?
thanks.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Um... Am I complaining about the service? Or moaning about my server? Im simply saying that 10Mbps with a cap seems stupid.

If other countries can do it, why cant we? Im not moaning, simply stating facts.

I dont know what is wrong with you but you certainly have a bad attitude.

EDIT: Oh and yes I do charge for it but its not enough to be able to upgrade my connection.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So you openly admit to running a Business server on a Residential service glad i am not on the same cab as you then.

Especially when you have this amount of data.


Now i for one would not like to be on the same cab as you if your users are partaking of your 70 gig of data.
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:LOL:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Broadband also originally cost £40+ a month for 512k, which idiot thought of the idea of dropping the prices? :angel:

Your friend downloading 50GB/day, I doubt his ISP are really that bothered, if they are they are a tad insane. Which is it? Telia, Bostream, BBB? There's not that much that can or will saturate a 24Mbit ADSL2+ line to be honest. If he's complaining whenever he doesn't get his full 10 / 24 / 100Mbit and isn't involved with his ISP in some other way than just a customer I'm surprised they havent throttled him intentionally to get him to leave.

Mmm 10 DVDs a day, I'm sure I could use those, honest guv I could. Only 20 hours a day to watch, easy. Downloading just for the sake of downloading sucks :( I could do 90GB/day but wtf is the point :(

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Well said that man :clap::clap::clap:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Have I ever said this? I only store the files on the server, I dont run it as a business. So I have 70gb of data? Infact I have more on the server but that doesnt mean I transfer 70gb of data all at once does it?

Do yourself a favour, sit quietly until you know what your talking about.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

:LOL:

And so start the personal insults.

losing the cool are we.

Grow up

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Ill grow up if you can accept the fact Im not running a business on a residential line and that Im not moaning about the service or my server. When you accept those facts, Ill grow up. Until then, Im not.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

If you make money on the service how ever little then its a business server ?

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

You dont understand. The server is used to store the files, not make the money. If the server goes offline, tuff luck for me, Ill have to wait until its back online or until I get back home to get the data.

I make money from the designs, not the server.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Can we stop arguing now lol.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Im not arguing, merely stating the facts.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So this was incorrectly worded are you saying.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

No, not incorrectly worded, just the way you read it.

Yes I make money from the designs, nothing to do with the server, but I dont make enough to be able to upgrade the connection for the server.

The designing and the hosting have nothing to do with eachother in this case, just saying the money I make isnt enough to make the connection better. Thats all.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

ye abyss wot u tlkin bowt anyway ur confusing me lol :confused:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Go back through the posts and you might figure it out ;) I barely know myself :erm:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Ooh, Yep! I forgot about the upgrade! *Goes on to TorrentSpy.com To Download!*

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

nope ntl never email me either lol

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Ok just had a look on there website and can see nothing about it. I did read somewhere that it starts the 6th of january but that might be wrong.

I dont get emails ether

Could it be some see them as spam so they dont bother any more incase someone complains :LOL:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

i got my email on 23/12/05.

Also as with the moans about swedish isp's, i think you will find the cost of living is higher there. Therefore the cost of broadband will be higher too, equates to you get what you pay for

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Abyss I would think both Ignition and Bill know what they are talking about considering they used to work for ntl, I agree this country gets a raw deal for consumer internet but I think the blame lies with the government, countries like sweden had subsidies which funded their fibre rollout which is why they have a much better infrastructure and cheaper deals for consumers.

You keep stating that your server is unaffected by the upload cap's but repeatedly maon about the upstream speed so their is inconsistency in your statements.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

My server is unaffected by the upload cap, but the higher the upload speed the better when running a server.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

not heard anything via NTL about this either, nothing in my bill anyway like last time with the upgrade. Anyone phoned them to ask

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I phoned cs in mid Decemberand was told that 1&2mb were already unlimited.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

You may want/need the higher upload speed that 10Mbps gives but don't need much total traffic per month.

In other countries it all depends on how the higher speeds are delivered and the topography of the country. If you have large cities consisting of high rise apartments it can be fairly easy to cheaply cable them up using either DSL or cable technology. Far cheaper and easier than digging up hundreds of miles of roads in the UK. Cable in the UK is limited by its current infrastructure. It could be upgraded significantly but who is prepared to pay the costs of such upgrades? Many people already complain that the prices are too high in the UK and would be unwilling to pay more but someone has to pay the cost of massive upgrades if they want substantially faster services.

The other point about services in other countries is that comparing prices between them and the UK isn't just a matter of using exchange rate conversions. Someone overseas may only pay the equivalent of £10 per month for their service but that is a lot if you only earn £50 per month.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

very true, I couldnt reply with a better answer to that statement made!!

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I have finally got a notice with my latest bill about the unlimited downloads from January and about the provision of 10 MB BB.And it's only January 3rd.It's been a long time since I actually got informed about anything ny ntl apart from what I owe them at the actual time it is happening. ;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So far, there is nothing on NTL's website about unlimited.
They state clearly that there is a 30G cap.
http://www.home.ntl.com/page/broadband2

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

this is probably a better source of information:-

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...mited-jan-2006

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I have got my bill today with information that my broadband is unlimited from now on!

Respect NTL :tu:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

How much do you reckon is reasonable? I just want to catch up on some TV torrents- and so my useage could be up to 3Gig+ per day over next few days (though I seriously doubt it will be that high...)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

but Karl, that would be naughty :p:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

reasonable to me would be 24/7 - its unlimited, if they didn't want you to download 24/7 they wouldn't have put unlimited on the 2meg tier and kept it at 512k or 1meg only. Anyway if NTL deem it not reasonable you will probably get a letter 1st advising usage, and if you don't then you could agrue the case that you stayed on 2meg of whatever as you heard it was unlimited here at cable forums or via your billing letter about unlimited connections (if they sent you one) so until then don't worry about it, 3gigs a day isn't going to kill the network i wouldn't of thought.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Reasonable might well be what they were considering reasonable last month. Dont assume you can download 600gig every month and nothing will happen, isp's will usually have a clause covering the line been raped usually something like causing degrading service to others. The unlimited word will give them a big boost to marketing once their website etc. is updated and give customers some peace of mind tho.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So basically what you are saying is that it isnt unlimited? It still has a cap, but its just a lot higher then the original one?

Its stupid, ISP's say its unlimited, then you use it as unlimited and they get in a big mood with you :p:

We cant win these days :(

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Anyone else thinking that giving the bottom tiers unlimited downloads was Plan B - instead of moving everyone up to 10MB, which was the original plan.

I don't think NTL anticipated all the grief they got with moving the 3MB users up to 10MB.

Dicks. I was looking forward to 10MB. Probably see it sometime next year.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I personally prefer 2M Unlimited instead of 10M with a 75M cap.
I don't have to use netmeter anymore and worry each month that I am going to get a letter from NTL, at the same time I cannot imagine why would I need 10M speed.
I am really grateful to NTL for this move. There are not many ISPs out there who honestly provide 2000/200 for 25 quid without a cap and not throttling your p2p and news server traffic at the same time.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

There may not be a cap but that doesn't mean that there will be no traffic shaping.;)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Sure, there is a traffic sharing since we are on the cable.
Saturation and caps do not have much in common unless exercised at their maximum of cause.
If we are given 2M connection, the channel could get saturated very easy with 30G cap. For example, 10 people on the same segment come home after usual 9-5 working day. They start to download/use their internet connection for 2-3 hours at the top of the given speed and still stay within 30G per month limit. However, if these 10 guys where ordinary power user, who exceed 30G monthly allowance but use the connection for p2p, and download consistently with a speed of 50-60kBps 24/7, the segment would stay fairly clear.
10x750 < 10x2000. Since NTL allows us to have this kind of speed it means it is quiet capable of handling these volumes. If they are able to give us 10M connection with 75G cap, a 24/7 trickle of 0.5-1.0M (which would exceed 30G/m) would not harm the network at all.
IMHO.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

As I haven't yet received an email or a bill regarding the removal of the cap just for fun I sent an enquiry about it to NTL yesterday. I included a link to the article on cableforum.

Today I received the following standard email which in no way addresses my enquiry.

My mail wasn't feedback, it wasn't a comment, it wasn't a connection or email problem and it wasn't a spoof email :erm:

I particularly like the part about spoof emails, do you think they're talking about the cableforum article? ;)


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Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Its now official guys!

• Unlimited downloads - surf as much as you like

http://www.home.ntl.com/icat/broadband

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

It cant be that official. The signup page still says 30gb cap :p:

http://www.home.ntl.com/page/broadband2

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Well they have updated 1 page,this is NTL we are talking about, expect a full site update in 12 months!

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Nah we better off for it, you know you wont have a per gig charge for using too much etc. Also now you have a defense of well I was told it was unlimited when before their was a soft cap in place. So there is defenitly more breathing space, and although I said its possible the bar hasnt been raised, there is also every chance it is raised and ntl will not be bothered what you do which I think will be the case as long as others are not affected in your area, if they become affected then they will likely look at the heaviest users.

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Interesting the 10 meg still at 37.99 and not 34.99

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Yay official-ish. Anyway I'll be keeping 2 meg as long as 10 meg is limited. I probably dont get anywhere near 75 Mb but its more comforting to not have a cap to worry about... 2 is more than fast enough!

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

LoL yeah, I remember when Local Area Networks were 10MBit :)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So do I, my old laptop still has 10Mbps :dozey:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

So do the people in ntl's Network Management Centre on its' badass 10Mbit half duplex switch :)

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

:Yikes: And to think, at Uni, we are currently on 100Mbit switches, and looking to move to Gigabit.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Poor Fellows.

P.S. Nice Avatar :tu:

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

Personally id like to see the price per month of the 1 and 2 meg services go down this year.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

I wouldnt, come of it £17.99 hardly breaks the bank their are more important things then the price level of the product, we would turn into plusnet.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

And if you click on the 2 meg unlimited "more" box, it says "30GB per month usage allowance".
Weird.

Re: So 2mb users, how much are you gonna download tomorrow
 

thats what worries me, still on 10meg here and until they change the wording and show it as a true UNLIMITED service i want go onto it -because thats what i really want to go onto cos i hate the caps, i'll wait a couple of months and see if anyone gets the old usage letters and post here complaining