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Chris W 10-12-2005 22:46
*All* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Well, the situation with regard to ntl capping has changed slightly now, so it is probably time for a new thread.

The situation as it stands at the moment:
ntl offer the following packages and usage allowances/ caps (whatever you want to call them) to new customers.
1mbps - 3gig cap
2mpbs- 30gig cap
10mbps- 75gig cap

There are customers who are currently on 300kbps and according to the following email received they have the option of going to a 512k unlimited package:

Quote:
Great news about your ntl Broadband service
You recently told us that the usage allowance of your Broadband service is important to you, so I'm delighted to tell you that we are increasing your service to an unlimited monthly usage allowance*. This means there are no limits to the amount of data you use every month. This is part of our ongoing commitment to provide the best choice & value Broadband service in the UK.

More speed, unlimited usage - same price!
We're also increasing the speed of your ntl Broadband service from 300K to 512K for the same monthly price! You don't have to do anything - we'll automatically upgrade your service by the end of December. Your monthly bill will also be changed to show Unlimited 512K, at the same monthly price of £17.99.

We hope you enjoy your new unlimited faster Broadband service!

Yours sincerely,

Bill Goodland
Internet Director
Customers who are currently on 3meg can/ will be able to upgrade to 10meg and the cap increases from 30gig to 75gig. For any discussion of the 10meg upgrade, please see the 10meg upgrades thread.

Now... let's let the cap discussion commence again (for the 4th time :p)

LenMackin 11-12-2005 01:41
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I think what must be clear by the fact that this discussion is now at part 4 is that people generally are NOT happy with the cap. I'm on 10mb and now i am expected to stay within the 75 limit (I doubt it). So what does that look like? About 2.5 gig per day! GET REAL NTL.

I have already done 20 gigs according to my router since December 1st. Watch a few film trailers, download a few bits and bobs, emails with 2mb attachments from work, kids surfing, me surfing, a bit of online gaming, it soon mounts up.

One can only hope that NTL take a realistic stance with this otherwise they will loose customers, not in the next few months because there arent that many options but i expect that before the end of 2006 ISP's will offer either much more generous data packages or go for unlimited. this could be the next intra ISP war moving from speed to data allowances. Frankly I'm sorry I just dont want nor expect to have either time or usage caps on the service, it doesnt happen on the TV service or the radio should be the same with the internet.

Stuart 11-12-2005 01:46
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Actually, if you look at the previous cap threads, you'll find relatively few people have posted on them. This, to me, indicates that most members either don't care about the cap, or agree with it (I suspect it's the former).

Dobbo 11-12-2005 07:32
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
what is the upload speed for the 512k unlimited?

Ignition 11-12-2005 08:23
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenMackin
I think what must be clear by the fact that this discussion is now at part 4 is that people generally are NOT happy with the cap. I'm on 10mb and now i am expected to stay within the 75 limit (I doubt it). So what does that look like? About 2.5 gig per day! GET REAL NTL.

I have already done 20 gigs according to my router since December 1st. Watch a few film trailers, download a few bits and bobs, emails with 2mb attachments from work, kids surfing, me surfing, a bit of online gaming, it soon mounts up.

One can only hope that NTL take a realistic stance with this otherwise they will loose customers, not in the next few months because there arent that many options but i expect that before the end of 2006 ISP's will offer either much more generous data packages or go for unlimited. this could be the next intra ISP war moving from speed to data allowances. Frankly I'm sorry I just dont want nor expect to have either time or usage caps on the service, it doesnt happen on the TV service or the radio should be the same with the internet.
As today is the 11th you're fine having done 20GB since December 1st, on track for about 60GB this month :)

You'll also note that there were a lot more unlimited deals a year ago than there are now, and as the speeds go up but the costs to ISPs (specifically ADSL) don't go down, and prices consumers expect to pay don't I wouldn't expect that to change ;)

---------- Post added at 09:23 ---------- Previous post was at 09:22 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobbo
what is the upload speed for the 512k unlimited?
64kbit/s it's a punishment service ;)

RoNa7dO 11-12-2005 13:08
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
i alrleady done 52GB is 6 days now i have to control 23GB for 24days :(
i dont see the point of upgrading 300k users to 512k because their speed is nearly the same, if they put 1meg unlimited that would b great, i think they should put back 3meg tier for £25/month and decrese 2meg price or 2meg become 3meg at the same price price but unlimited :D

DieDieMyDarling 11-12-2005 13:19
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I think most people would be happy with 2-3mb unlimited for 37.99. Or as a lot of people have suggested, keep the peak hours capped, but make the off peak hours unlimited.

Chrysalis 11-12-2005 14:16
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I still find ntl's handling of this very bad, in addition to the lack of a time of day cap observe the following.

They are brainwashing people into thinking speed means more then content. I can forsee a flourish of people who want speed but use less downgrading next year when all 3 tiers are upgraded losing ntl revenue and this is how it is currently.

17.99 - 3 gig or 150gig
24.99 - 30 gig
37.99 (34.99) - 75 gig

Here is how I think it should be.

This is what I think should be not actual plans

17.99 - 512kbit unmetered or 2 mbit 10 gig cap (2 gig peak)
24.99 - 1mbit unmetered or 5 mbit 50 gig cap (5 gig peak)
37.99 - 2mbit unmetered or 10 mbit 150 gig cap (15 gig peak)
49.99 - 3mbit unmetered or 10 mbit 250 gig cap (30 gig peak)

Old rule of thumb there will be people taking up unmetered who wont rape it 24/7 so there is profit to be made there, and the higher prices add revenue for upgrades, 250gig isnt that competetive compared to llu competition but it at least is offset by the speed advantage over llu. Peak I would define as 4pm to midnight weekdays and 8am to midnight weekends.

ian@huth 12-12-2005 12:36
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Peak I would define as 4pm to midnight weekdays and 8am to midnight weekends.
I would define peak as the time when most traffic exists which can be any time of night or day. Offering unlimited traffic in your off-peak hours of midnight to 4pm can severely impact on customers who need to use their connection at those times. Just think about the serious bandwidth hogs who would queue up downloads to utilize all those off-peak hours and who allow their upstream bandwidth to be used by people who are not NTL customers and don't contribute a penny to the costs of maintaining the NTL networks. The end result would probably be that your so called peak hours have lower traffic than your off-peak hours.

Ignition 12-12-2005 16:07
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
I would define peak as the time when most traffic exists which can be any time of night or day. Offering unlimited traffic in your off-peak hours of midnight to 4pm can severely impact on customers who need to use their connection at those times. Just think about the serious bandwidth hogs who would queue up downloads to utilize all those off-peak hours and who allow their upstream bandwidth to be used by people who are not NTL customers and don't contribute a penny to the costs of maintaining the NTL networks. The end result would probably be that your so called peak hours have lower traffic than your off-peak hours.
Really who cares though the point of a cap should be to avoid severe service affect to existing customers while not breaking the bank.

Not really the customer's problem if ntl offer more than they can afford to handle, averting congestion while controlling costs should be the aim (which is why customers are assigned x kbps) the quieter times where bandwidth is underused are wastes of this bandwidth which costs the same pretty much whatever and really should be utilised as much as is practical.

If people can be convinced to move their downloads outside the peak times, which will stay as peak times whatever your preconception as lighter users demanding responsiveness still vastly outnumber the uber leechers, that means a better service and less investment required to avoid heavy congestion at peak times.

Peak is and will always remain 4pm - midnight Monday to Friday, and pretty much all day apart from the early hours over the weekend.

Just to summarise, the bandwidth utilisation in the early hours tends to be half what it is at peak, why waste it?

If need be traffic shaping can be employed in these offpeak times to ensure that http and gaming traffic is still prioritised, so that even with what you seem to think will be rampant leeching in these times those applications that need responsiveness will still be ok.

Regarding overuse of upload - I haven't seen any 10Mbit customers complaining of poor upstream performance yet :) At the time of my leaving certain 'safeguards' were being considered to protect upstream, some of which had even been tested with very good results over a year ago. While none of these were live when I left who's to say they aren't now?

QoS is really the future - just look at the rise of MPLS enabled networks to offer the traffic control and classification that legacy ATM networks could provide but over a fully IP network. Bandwidth will be heavily utilised on networks but thanks to the QoS offered from MPLS and other mechanisms real time traffic that needs the responsiveness will get it while heavy file transfer protocols can eat up as much as is left over :)

buba3d 12-12-2005 16:12
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
according to my NET Traffic Meter, it says that i have downloaded more than 75 gigs, the only time it was used for 3 days of streaming for most haunted live, however i don't think thats downloaded all that, or am i looking at the wrong thing. lol

DieDieMyDarling 12-12-2005 16:59
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I think there's two important factors in this argument.

1 - More and more people are moving to Newsgroups, people that never would have messed with them before. I myself started using newsgroups this year, having always been wary of them before that, due to it being an overcomplicated way of downloading files. But as more and more people move to newsgroups it lowers the amount of upstream used, they don't need a constant upstream max out, just to keep a steady download speed (apart from the upstream that supports the acks).

2 - Most if not all of the people that i personally know, who use a lot (40+GB a month) of bandwidth, do so overnight, including myself. All the people that have already been leeching have been doing so overnight, and as Ignition says, the peak hours still use up double the bandwidth of the off peak hours. So surely the hours of midnight - 8am can handle the leeching/mass downloading? And if they still prioritise http and gaming, then most people won't realise any problems, as those downloading overnight will not be sitting there watching a byte by byte speed readout, they'll be in bed safe in the knowledge that their files will be done for the morning.

Chrysalis 12-12-2005 17:46
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
I would define peak as the time when most traffic exists which can be any time of night or day. Offering unlimited traffic in your off-peak hours of midnight to 4pm can severely impact on customers who need to use their connection at those times. Just think about the serious bandwidth hogs who would queue up downloads to utilize all those off-peak hours and who allow their upstream bandwidth to be used by people who are not NTL customers and don't contribute a penny to the costs of maintaining the NTL networks. The end result would probably be that your so called peak hours have lower traffic than your off-peak hours.
---------- Post added at 18:43 ---------- Previous post was at 18:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignition
Really who cares though the point of a cap should be to avoid severe service affect to existing customers while not breaking the bank.

Not really the customer's problem if ntl offer more than they can afford to handle, averting congestion while controlling costs should be the aim (which is why customers are assigned x kbps) the quieter times where bandwidth is underused are wastes of this bandwidth which costs the same pretty much whatever and really should be utilised as much as is practical.
Sorry I snipped it but agree with what you said, I got annoyed earlier I was watching a bbc stream at my sister's house and it started skipping on 256kbit, they are on the 1mbit package. I tried it again at home and was the same but slightly less skipping, I tried juggling proxies but it made no difference. If they cant stop a 256kbit stream skipping their is some clear over saturation of bandwidth which is rather annoying considering the caps are supposed to manage this problem.

---------- Post added at 18:46 ---------- Previous post was at 18:43 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling
2 - Most if not all of the people that i personally know, who use a lot (40+GB a month) of bandwidth, do so overnight, including myself. All the people that have already been leeching have been doing so overnight, and as Ignition says, the peak hours still use up double the bandwidth of the off peak hours.
Same I download overnight, it is pretty depressing if I attempt it during the evening. During the evening I will only do basic web browsing and email's.

rogerdraig 12-12-2005 18:43
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
Actually, if you look at the previous cap threads, you'll find relatively few people have posted on them. This, to me, indicates that most members either don't care about the cap, or agree with it (I suspect it's the former).
no i think you will find its more about no ones been charged more than thier standard bill yet

i know most of my friends and family switched to ntl broadband on the ( fixed bill side of their promise ) when you start getting people charged extra for exceeding these limits is when the real fun will start

i and most of them dont care about ultra fast conections just about the bill being fixed

theNomad 12-12-2005 21:44
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
Actually, if you look at the previous cap threads, you'll find relatively few people have posted on them. This, to me, indicates that most members either don't care about the cap, or agree with it (I suspect it's the former).
I suspect this is because theyve allready left,like I know a good 5 or so had done who spoke to me via PM's or I'd read the letters,doubtfull they'll come back here once leaving.

I also think alot of us have shut up about the cap because either like me

#1 they are waiting to leave,me personally as soon as the football season ends will look into what else is around

#2 because theyve settled with the 512k unlimited untill something better comes which ntl have stated will happen.

#3 ntl havent actually acted on what theyre getting,like I know some ntl users elsewhere havent been capped or sent letters.

I'm sure as hell people wont be happy in paying a £30+ pm package when other people they know on other isps have cheaper packages and theyre getting more use from them.And surely as net tv channels do get into streaming content which 2006 is looking likely and also more net based watch on demand services come out this will be the bulk of users who need more than 30-75gb per month.

---------- Post added at 22:44 ---------- Previous post was at 22:25 ----------

also since ntl have stopped telling customers over the phone that "NO we wont ever use that cap against you,the cap is to bring us inline with other isps and will never be used" line,and actually starting telling people its capped.Probably bought them a few subscribers but also lost respect of others.Ive stopped recommending ntl to friends and family,having got easily over 10 users for their tv/phone and net package over my 5 or so years using them.

I feel we had a great run but now if someone says "your on ntl what do you think" I tell them its currently limited in what you can use,ntl from what I and other users can make out only want people who surf.

I guess the unlimited £18 a month isnt that bad.but I'm sure users could and will find cheaper and will find faster than 512k.The other packages people will need to watch their use,and for the money theyre paying I feel theyre better elsewhere.

Ignition 13-12-2005 02:09
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theNomad
also since ntl have stopped telling customers over the phone that "NO we wont ever use that cap against you,the cap is to bring us inline with other isps and will never be used" line,and actually starting telling people its capped.Probably bought them a few subscribers but also lost respect of others.
Since when did being honest lose respect? Oh well perhaps they should lie again if admitting that their products are capped buys a few customers but loses the respect of others. Or your English is a bit cack and I've completely misunderstood you.

harmonyinfo 13-12-2005 18:06
Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I just got an email from NTL advertising various broadband things, and it included this:

"Unlimited downloads
From January, your ntl Broadband service will have unlimited downloads, so you can surf the internet for as long as you like. "

Does that mean there will no longer be a cap on downloads from January, or is it some subtle marketing speak that really means there will be restrictions on downloads?

SnoopZ 13-12-2005 18:26
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harmonyinfo
I just got an email from NTL advertising various broadband things, and it included this:

"Unlimited downloads
From January, your ntl Broadband service will have unlimited downloads, so you can surf the internet for as long as you like. "

Does that mean there will no longer be a cap on downloads from January, or is it some subtle marketing speak that really means there will be restrictions on downloads?
Got anymore info on this? What speed price etc :)

IanUK 13-12-2005 18:29
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Which speed service are you on currently harmonyinfo ?

Maybe someone has sent it to wind you up ?
Doesn't sound like NTL (Unfortunately)

craig5320 13-12-2005 18:31
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Maybe they've busted you down to 512k for being a download whore :)

Goes to check NTL email...

SnoopZ 13-12-2005 18:35
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
He might be on the 300k service atm. I believe they are being upgraded to 512k unlimited.

harmonyinfo 13-12-2005 18:50
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I'm on the 2Mbyte service. But just changed a couple of weeks ago (from 1Mbyte) and the email suggests I'm on the 1Mbyte service. Some more quotes from it ...

"We're improving your broadband service. We're giving you loads of extra value at no extra cost"

"If you upgrade your Broadband service you'll get Broadband Plus at no extra cost. For just £7 more per month you could get twice the speed with our unlimited 2Mb Broadband service and over £30 a month of free online entertainment. Go to www.ntlworld.com/upgrade to upgrade now. "

Email sender is "NTL_Customer_Update@newsletter.ntlworld.com" and it is a "glossy" HTML formatted email with graphics etc so don't think it is spoofed.

Jim

PromaneX 13-12-2005 19:05
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
can you post the whole email? sounds like it may make some interesting reading :D

harmonyinfo 13-12-2005 19:12
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
The email has this at the top as a link to use if you can't read the email - it gives the same content. Seems to redirect to a marketing agency, but at least starts as a page on ntlworld.com ...

http://newsletter.ntlworld.com/cgi-b...fh0NoV0Ct1J0Ew

Bill C 13-12-2005 19:15
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harmonyinfo
The email has this at the top as a link to use if you can't read the email - it gives the same content. Seems to redirect to a marketing agency, but at least starts as a page on ntlworld.com ...

http://newsletter.ntlworld.com/cgi-b...fh0NoV0Ct1J0Ew
If this is true then its about god dam time :LOL:

JohnHorb 13-12-2005 19:15
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Looks pretty definate to me!

But, when all tiers go to 10MB, what will differentiate them?

AdamD 13-12-2005 19:18
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Heh, cept the bit at the bottom

"Fair usage policy applies"

Although most if not all ISP's use that term now.

Derek 13-12-2005 19:19
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsletter
Fair usage policy applies.
Fair useage policies can vary a huge deal. Some people would say a few gig a day was fair use. Especially at peak times.

Basically. Do what you want. If you rip the a*** out of it we'll be sending the boys round with a crippled 512/64 modem to sort you out.

PromaneX 13-12-2005 19:22
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
the link wont work for me :( i get "connection refused" :( ah well thanks anyway

Halcyon 13-12-2005 19:30
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Scrapping the Cap would make an excellent Chrsitmas present to customers.
Somehow, I'm sensing there is a catch somewhere, we'l just have to wait and see.

Paul 13-12-2005 19:39
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
If you look at our Nov 8th news item you will see this in the last bit.

Quote:
Cable Forum also believe that ntl have plans to offer a number of lower speed ‘uncapped’ services. They have already indicated that heavy users will be moved to a 512Kbps uncapped service at £17.99, we believe that further services for £24.99 and £37.99 will also be offered, the most likely speeds being 1Mbps and 2Mbps. We will of course keep you informed as more information becomes available.
This seems to confirm that the 1 meg is becoming uncapped, and the 2 meg as well. Don't expect the 10 meg to be uncapped. :)

Hans Gruber 13-12-2005 19:40
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Sounds a bit funny, they can't have unlimited downloads on all tarifs aswell as upgrading them all to 10mbit. Hopefully they'll go down the Telewest route and have various uncapped tarifs at different speeds.

:edit: http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...c05/index2.htm <-- that appears to be the email for 2mbit users, also says unlimited downloads. Also if you replace the number at the end upto 4 it seems to cover all tarifs. This is from "4" which I guess is the 512k service?

Quote:
Unlimited downloads
From January, our 1Mb and 2Mb ntl Broadband services will have unlimited downloads, so you can surf the internet for as long as you like.
Click here to upgrade now.

Chrysalis 13-12-2005 19:54
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
What will be interesting is if some poor soul pays for unlimited 2meg at 37.99 and his neighbour leeches 600gig on 10mbit and gets no contact from ntl. My meaning is if ntl are going to start all these tiers they need to get their finger out and apply the metering properly so people get their fair share and provide the means to watch your usage.

grubbymitts 13-12-2005 19:55
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
change of policy maybe? Everyone assumes, as we've all been told, that NTL will up everyone to 10mb speeds - but maybe they won't. Maybe it is cheaper and more cost effective (due to such problems as 100/120 modems not liking the new speed and replacement costs) to keep everyone on the same tarrifs they were on before, but give people unlimited downloads (I bet they bite your ass with usage policy after a while) and let the customer upgrade when they want to.

Personally, I want 2mb unlimited. Downloading is fine at that speed and so is surfing (when the damn proxy plays right!)

RoNa7dO 13-12-2005 19:56
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
oh den i have to downgrade nxt year cant stay with 10MB capped coz i alrleady did 65GB in 6 days lol

grubbymitts 13-12-2005 19:57
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
What will be interesting is if some poor soul pays for unlimited 2meg at 37.99 and his neighbour leeches 600gig on 10mbit and gets no contact from ntl. My meaning is if ntl are going to start all these tiers they need to get their finger out and apply the metering properly so people get their fair share and provide the means to watch your usage.
true, but http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...c05/index2.htm does say no extra cost, so they shouldn't raise the price to £37.99. Besides, that price is far too much when you look at other companies offering similar packages.

Griffin 13-12-2005 20:17
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grubbymitts
true, but http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...c05/index2.htm does say no extra cost, so they shouldn't raise the price to £37.99. Besides, that price is far too much when you look at other companies offering similar packages.
I agree 2mb unlimited is available below £24.99 on adsl, even considering the cost of getting phone lines installed becomes worth while when the savings are taken into account. Then you have ukonline expanding offering up to 24mb for only £29.99 & they have a sensible cap (500gb). NTL really need to be realistic with prices & caps

Bill C 13-12-2005 20:37
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin
I agree 2mb unlimited is available below £24.99 on adsl, even considering the cost of getting phone lines installed becomes worth while when the savings are taken into account. Then you have ukonline expanding offering up to 24mb for only £29.99 & they have a sensible cap (500gb). NTL really need to be realistic with prices & caps
So let me just get this stright.

NTL might be offering 1 and 2 meg at the same price "if i read it correcly" as they do now but for unlimited.

And still there are complaints and crys of "it's not good enough:Yikes:".

JohnHorb 13-12-2005 20:40
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C
So let me just get this stright.

NTL might be offering 1 and 2 meg at the same price "if i read it correcly" as they do now but for unlimited.

And still there are complaints and crys of "it's not good enough:Yikes:".
You almost sound surprised:p:

Bill C 13-12-2005 20:42
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHorb
You almost sound surprised:p:
Well i am just waiting for the Anti Cap brigade to turn up and ask why we are not giving it away free :p:.

But to be truthfull i was considering changing my supplier to a unlimited one. This has just stopped me.

Well done NTL if it's true.

LenMackin 13-12-2005 21:30
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Well whatever way this arguement goes it still amounts to the same thing, NTL are trying to control the way we use the services. Someone commented on my earlier post that i will probably do about 60 gigs this month, YES I KNOW that, it's Christmas and there's a lot of parties and stuff happening so i am not online as often. I still contend that 2.5gigs a day is utter crap. It's so sad... permanent conection but now download limits, so really what's the point? Sorry NTL, you need to get your system sorted to support usage or else cut the speeds so that we do what WE want.

dilli-theclaw 13-12-2005 21:35
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHorb
You almost sound surprised:p:
Well i am just waiting for the Anti Cap brigade to turn up and ask why we are not giving it away free :p:.

But to be truthfull i was considering changing my supplier to a unlimited one. This has just stopped me.

Well done NTL if it's true.
Um - Why the hell should I pay for it - it should be free ;):D

p.s. I expect free blank dvd's and all manner of stuff from ntl:D

JohnHorb 13-12-2005 21:39
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C
But to be truthfull i was considering changing my supplier to a unlimited one. This has just stopped me.

Well done NTL if it's true.
Only on 1 and 2 MB though - not 10MB

Ignition 13-12-2005 21:41
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenMackin
Well whatever way this arguement goes it still amounts to the same thing, NTL are trying to control the way we use the services. Someone commented on my earlier post that i will probably do about 60 gigs this month, YES I KNOW that, it's Christmas and there's a lot of parties and stuff happening so i am not online as often. I still contend that 2.5gigs a day is utter crap. It's so sad... permanent conection but now download limits, so really what's the point? Sorry NTL, you need to get your system sorted to support usage or else cut the speeds so that we do what WE want.
Unfortunately you pay them to use their network under their conditions. If you don't agree with them you're not obligated to pay them.

I pay road tax, etc, still doesn't mean I can do 150mph down the motorway.

Sadly like everything else that we rent yes, rent you don't actually buy anything, there are conditions attached to the manner in which you use the product.

If you wish you could buy the entire internet, that way you could certainly use it any way you see fit. Until you own the entire network end to end though you have to obey the rules set by ntl, who in turn obey the rules set by their providers, who in turn... etc.

Bill C 13-12-2005 21:47
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHorb
Only on 1 and 2 MB though - not 10MB
I have said this before "It will be a cold day in hell when 10 meg goes unlimited"

Hans Gruber 13-12-2005 21:54
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I'd imagine they'll be pretty lenient on 10mbit users, as long as they don't take the **** too much

Bill C 13-12-2005 21:57
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
I'd imagine they'll be pretty lenient on 10mbit users, as long as they don't take the **** too much
I think they will just make them go to 1 or 2 meg if they do take the ****.

Smilie 13-12-2005 22:07
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
any chance of NTL changing the plan of upgrading every1 to 10mb
and go with telewest with no cap but differant speeds??
http://www.telewest.co.uk/websales/s...lpos=menu_left

ian@huth 13-12-2005 22:14
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
It appears that there could be 4 tiers available from looking at the 4 index pages and their links:

512k @ £14.99 with a 1 Gb per month usage allowance.
up to 1 Mb @ £17.99 unlimited
up to 2 Mb @ £24.99 unlimited
up to 10 Mb with a 75 Gb per month usage allowance

Graham M 13-12-2005 22:20
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Sounds good to me!

Hans Gruber 13-12-2005 22:24
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I've said all along I'd be happy with uncapped 2mbit. Maybe someone at NTL does listen :p

Bill C 13-12-2005 22:28
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
I've said all along I'd be happy with uncapped 2mbit. Maybe someone at NTL does listen :p
Looks like i will being changing my service's to 2meg unlimited in the New Year.

Who need 10 meg anyway :LOL: :p:

Hans Gruber 13-12-2005 22:34
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I have to admit after having 10mbit for a month there is a lot of fun to be had out there with it, but in reality I just have no need for it. I'm sure that will change once HD is a bit more widespread though.

DieDieMyDarling 13-12-2005 22:38
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
With them offering 2mb for 24.99, does that not open the way for 3mb @ 34/7.99? Or is it just the basic fact that the network (or any network for that matter) can't handle 3mb unlimited?

matmimi 13-12-2005 22:54
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
that is not fair....i was leeching 24 hours/day @ 3 Mbit and now they want us to do the same @ lower speed......2 Mbit is something from the past....

Bill C 13-12-2005 23:01
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by matmimi
that is not fair....i was leeching 24 hours/day @ 3 Mbit and now they want us to do the same @ lower speed......2 Mbit is something from the past....
This has to be a windup :)

paul11974 13-12-2005 23:28
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
1mb is all i need for £17.99 as long at is uncapped or at least a realistic cap of 25gb a month not that stupid 3gb maybee i will stay with ntl after all

---------- Post added at 00:28 ---------- Previous post was at 00:08 ----------

maybee just maybee has woken up and realised it is not the cheapest broadbannd provider anymore http://www.eclipse.net.uk/index.cfm?...entialservices

mosaddique 13-12-2005 23:42
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Here is the full e-mail. I got it and I am on 1MB temporarily from 300kb.
I have opted out of the 1MB 3gb cap upgrade.
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http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad.../purpletop.gifhttp://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...leftspacer.gifUnlimited downloads
From January, your ntl Broadband service will have unlimited downloads, so you can surf the internet for as long as you like. http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...ightspacer.gifhttp://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...rplebottom.gif
http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...s/greentop.gifhttp://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...leftspacer.gifFree Internet security with ntl Netguard
Keep you and your family safer online with ntl Netguard. It automatically updates every three hours. Go to www.ntlworld.com/netguard for your free security download. http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...ightspacer.gifhttp://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...reenbottom.gifhttp://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...s/heading2.gif
Get some of the best music, games & kids content with Broadband Plus, our exclusive entertainment service that's free for the first month. We'll also throw in 15 free photo prints delivered to your door every month. Pay nothing for the first month, then just £3.99 for online entertainment that would cost you over £30 a month if bought separately. Sign up now at www.ntlworld.com/broadbandplus

If you upgrade your Broadband service you'll get Broadband Plus at no extra cost. For just £7 more per month you could get twice the speed with our unlimited 2Mb Broadband service and over £30 a month of free online entertainment. Go to www.ntlworld.com/upgrade to upgrade now.

http://www.alchemyworx.com/ntl/broad...s/heading3.gif
We've just launched a 10Mb Broadband service for those customers who want super-fast downloads. To learn more about our super-fast 10Mb Broadband, or upgrade from your existing service, go to www.ntlworld.com/upgrade

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12 month minimum term applies. 10Mb subject to modem capability (£50 upgrade fee payable in respect of certain existing equipment), and assumes components working at optimum speed and capacity. Fair usage policy applies.

If you would rather not receive customer updates from ntl, please send an email to unsub_customerupdate@newsletter.ntlworld.com
See our Privacy Policy.

chandleo 14-12-2005 01:14
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
I didn't realise Broadband Plus had gone free for 2mb and above customers, doesn't seem to have been publicised at all, just been and registered and indeed it is free for me now, fantastic well done ntl

Ignition 14-12-2005 01:29
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C
This has to be a windup :)
Nah he's serious, more fool ntl for letting him do it to be honest and I'm sure teh dude is loving 10Mbit 24x7.

kin242 14-12-2005 01:42
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
People actually payed for broadband plus? Its 99% stuff you can get free elsewhere anyway- and its all DRM'd to the hilt so completely worthless.

Havent had an email yet but I'll consider my 2meg cap free then!

Skippie 14-12-2005 04:50
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Does anyone know if the people who were put on 512 unlimited are allowed to change to these new offerings?

th'engineer 14-12-2005 05:03
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Its nice that NTL has seen some sense and removed the cap for most of the services who needs 10meg download anyway .

Seems to be back to where it started unlimited

Nice to see all the hard debate on this forum and anticap has been worth it

Someone has at least seen sense (have they made Bill Goodland redundant is that why its changed)

grubbymitts 14-12-2005 05:24
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Cap free 2mb! WOO! But I have all the linux distros ever released. What else is there that I could possibly want to download? ;)

Bambi 14-12-2005 07:14
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
When wil NTL provide a cable soloution that people actually want and have a need for?????

Why cant they just offer a decent broadband option, say 2Mb:1Mb.
They should realy advertise it as unidirectional bradband, whats the point of having 10Mb download speeds if you are limited to a pathetic 512kbps upload or less.

Give me 2048/2048 unlimited any day of the week over 10Mb/0.5Mb.

Looks like there will be a whole heap of people 'downgrading' to 2Mb just to leech 500Gb a month. Maybe with all thier service level tiers we will be able to hide a 'custom' config file once more....

*prepares edited conf file*
2Mb/512 no caps here we come...

Paul 14-12-2005 08:14
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi
When wil NTL provide a cable soloution that people actually want and have a need for?????
They already do. The vast majority of people don't have an insane desire to download the entire internet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi
Why cant they just offer a decent broadband option, say 2Mb:1Mb.
They should realy advertise it as unidirectional bradband, whats the point of having 10Mb download speeds if you are limited to a pathetic 512kbps upload or less.

Give me 2048/2048 unlimited any day of the week over 10Mb/0.5Mb.
I guess you don't know much about how cable (or adsl) works then ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi
Looks like there will be a whole heap of people 'downgrading' to 2Mb just to leech 500Gb a month.
A whole heap ? - somehow I doubt it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambi
Maybe with all thier service level tiers we will be able to hide a 'custom' config file once more....
or maybe not since that's illegal. Any more posts on *that* subject will be removed.

Wicked_and_Crazy 14-12-2005 08:40
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
i havent read the thread but i thought 1mb and 2mb were being upgraded to 10Mb but with lower caps?

PC_Arcade 14-12-2005 08:46
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
IF this is true, then I'll move back to NTL in the new year, I'll have to leave my phone with BT for 12 months though.

Had NTL thought this through though, they wouldn't have lost my (and others) revenue for 3 months, I would be MORE than happy with 2mb unlimited and the price isn't bad either. Well done NTL:

DaBuzz 14-12-2005 09:04
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
An Unlimited 2mb service is nice. However, the maximum you can get out of the 2mbit service is far higher than the cap on the 10mbit service. I think they should reconsider the caps for the 10mbit service too.

£24.99 - 75gb
£29.99 - 150gb
£34.99 - 200gb

I'd prob go for the £24.99 or £29.99 level.

Wicked_and_Crazy 14-12-2005 09:07
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PC_Arcade
IF this is true, then I'll move back to NTL in the new year, I'll have to leave my phone with BT for 12 months though.

Had NTL thought this through though, they wouldn't have lost my (and others) revenue for 3 months, I would be MORE than happy with 2mb unlimited and the price isn't bad either. Well done NTL:
realistically even with 2Mb constant P2P you dont go much above the cap on a regular basis. Sound like you cut off your nose when you moved

Bambi 14-12-2005 09:12
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
They already do. The vast majority of people don't have an insane desire to download the entire internet.

Nor do I but 15-30k/sec uploads is not realy broadband is it? It doesnt take much to eat up even 512kbps with a www server, streaming radio and maybe a couple of video feeds going out. Not to mention game servers.


I guess you don't know much about how cable (or adsl) works then ?
I know enough to know that the network is capable for far more than 15k a second. It seems silly to have an extreme downstream and a very small upstream. I dont want 10Mb SDSL but if many coutries in the EU and the US can manage 1-2Mb uploads why cant we?


A whole heap ? - somehow I doubt it. There are enough people here and on other site moaning about caps.

or maybe not since that's illegal. Any more posts on *that* subject will be removed. That last comment was ment to be a touch tonge in cheek, as I have already had 'conversations' with NTL over this in the past. I dont recomend defauding NTL either not if you dont want to be prosecuted.


With regards to Telewest, maybe people are right that NTL are trying to bring both companies services inline with each other ready for Easy.Tele.NTL.Virgin.monopoly

paul11974 14-12-2005 09:13
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
It appears that there could be 4 tiers available from looking at the 4 index pages and their links:

512k @ £14.99 with a 1 Gb per month usage allowance.
up to 1 Mb @ £17.99 unlimited
up to 2 Mb @ £24.99 unlimited
up to 10 Mb with a 75 Gb per month usage allowance

so i wonder if i phone up today and downgrade to the 1mb service what do you reckon ntl will do when i go over the limit ?

Mal 14-12-2005 09:39
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Are they still going to upgrade automatically the current 2m to 10m or will it be optional?

Can we choose to stay on the 2m and get unlimited?

Bambi 14-12-2005 09:44
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal
Are they still going to upgrade automatically the current 2m to 10m or will it be optional?

Can we choose to stay on the 2m and get unlimited?
I get the impression NTL dont know either......

Magic 8-ball, what service levels shall we offer today?

DieDieMyDarling 14-12-2005 10:47
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Well they may not know what they're doing, but offering 1mb and 2mb unlimited services is a step in the right direction, and for that i'll praise them for doing the right thing. Personally i'm hoping for 3mb unlimited at 37.99, but i'd make do with 2mb for 24.99. :D

grubbymitts2 14-12-2005 10:59
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I think they are thinking along the lines of those that have 10mb will be able to stream the HD content that NTL and a few others are probably thinking of broadcasting.
At this kind of quality content would be unwatchable at the lower ends of the broadband model, but fine at 10mb+. But you have the 75gb cap - so, NTL nicely charge you on top for these services (pay per view sort of thing) and this doesn't affect your 75gb usage.

The lower tier/unlimited model is in line with other companies offering similar packages - simple competition economics. Fair Usage still applies, so if you are constantly strangling your upload (those that don't use Bit Torrent properly) and affecting people nearby, or downloading 24/7 at full speed then I think they will crack down - even Bulldog and AOL do this.

Chrysalis 14-12-2005 12:23
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I would probably goto 2meg unlimited at 24.99 if that was rolled out, my reasons would be (a) here at least I only get near 10meg speeds at twilight hours now and rarely upload so the speed advantages are mostly cosmetic for me. (b) the amount you can download is heavily disproportionate, the cap would be effectively 600gig on 24.99 and 75 gig on 37.99 although I will probably only go above 75 gig 1 in every 3 months but peace of mind is better. I am slightly dissapointed by this tho, its a move to continute to get new customers and without network upgrades will just slow things down more. Also a bit odd this would happen soon after people have been throttled down to 512kbit.

PC_Arcade 14-12-2005 13:19
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy
realistically even with 2Mb constant P2P you dont go much above the cap on a regular basis. Sound like you cut off your nose when you moved
I can assure you I didn't "cut off my nose". The reason I left was in protest about the introduction of the caps, the MEANS by which they were introduced and the fact that they were enforced unfairly, with only some customers being contacted.

I'd leave again, NTL are a company and the ONLY means I have to register a protest with them is to remove my custom from them if they cannot give me what I want. I removed my custom and I've always asserted that with the exception of the caps NTL were fine for me, now that they have (IF they have) removed them, I no longer need to make that protest and will move back.

With CONSTANT p2p on a 2mb line (i.e ~200kbps for 24hours x 30 days) you would download ~500Gb a month which is SUBSTANTIALLY over the cap, and that doesn't take into account the 50Gb or so you would be uploading either :lol:

Now just imagine how much damage someone doing 5x that would do to NTL's network

mcmanic 14-12-2005 13:27
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
2Meg unlimited will suit me fine also, i've never seen 10meg yet even though i got it so paying £30+ for a capped service and not achieving full speed like others that are to me is a waste of cash. 3meg speeds was perfect, 2meg Unlimited will be even better.

These stupid speeds which alot of us cannot obtain are a waste of time, a nice stable constant 24/7 unlimited cheaper service is all i require.

Bring it on is all i have to say

Griffin 14-12-2005 14:12
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C
So let me just get this stright.

NTL might be offering 1 and 2 meg at the same price "if i read it correcly" as they do now but for unlimited.

And still there are complaints and crys of "it's not good enough:Yikes:".
I would be more than happy with 2mb unlimited for £24.99p m but not at the £37.99p m that has been quoted in some posts (post 31 for instance).
I am on 10mb at the moment fair enough the speed is great but i don't like having to worry about going over the limits, which are too easy to top approx 21 hours flat out would use the bandwidth if my calculations are correct

RoNa7dO 14-12-2005 14:24
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin
I would be more than happy with 2mb unlimited for £24.99pm but not at the £37.99pm that has been quoted in some posts (post 31 for instance).
I am on 10mb at the moment fair enough the speed is great but i don't like having to worry about going over the limits, which are too easy to top approx 21 hours flat out would use the bandwidth if my calculations are correct
true mate, i would be happy aswell and that why i will b dropping down to 1 or 2 meg because i alrleady did 70GB in abt 10 days and im worried what will happen so nxt year definetly i will be moving down

Ignition 14-12-2005 14:46
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skippie
Does anyone know if the people who were put on 512 unlimited are allowed to change to these new offerings?
Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.

DieDieMyDarling 14-12-2005 15:28
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignition
Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.
It wouldn't surprise me, but surely the sensible thing would be for ntl to forget past crimes against caps, as there are now official unlimited services available for those customers.

I still find it a little surprising that they aren't offering a 37.99 unlimited service. I'd have thought if 2mb was going to be the fastest unlimited service then surely they'd have made that the 37.99 service. They may not be too happy if lots of people downgrade to 2mb and pay £13 a month less as a result.

grubbymitts2 14-12-2005 15:40
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling
I still find it a little surprising that they aren't offering a 37.99 unlimited service. I'd have thought if 2mb was going to be the fastest unlimited service then surely they'd have made that the 37.99 service. They may not be too happy if lots of people downgrade to 2mb and pay £13 a month less as a result.
Simple competition economics. When other companies are offering the same - and sometimes better - service for cheaper than you, then it would be commercial suicide to raise your equivalent service's prices.

tony 14-12-2005 15:42
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignition
Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.
I was moved to 1mb in november and then got email telling me that I was being moved to 512 unlimited, my bill shows 1mb.
I am not a heavy user, about 30g a month average.
I think that if the service is 1mb unlimited then that is the service I should be getting not this 512, at no point in this to and fro have I been given any choice, except for the initial opt out from 1mb with cap.
I was not forced to downgrade just downgraded and then told about it.
Some clarification from NTL on what exactly they are doing would be nice but as usual it appears that mis information rules.

grubbymitts2 14-12-2005 15:48
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
I was moved to 1mb in november and then got email telling me that I was being moved to 512 unlimited, my bill shows 1mb.
I am not a heavy user, about 30g a month average.
I think that if the service is 1mb unlimited then that is the service I should be getting not this 512, at no point in this to and fro have I been given any choice, except for the initial opt out from 1mb with cap.
I was not forced to downgrade just downgraded and then told about it.
Some clarification from NTL on what exactly they are doing would be nice but as usual it appears that mis information rules.
30gb a month is 10X what you are allowed currently with 1mb - that's probably the reason for the downgrade, though it does seem strange to move you up in November and then downgrade you in less than a month.

Willc0 14-12-2005 16:06
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
I joined NTL August/Septmber this year.
Had the 1MB sevices had a 30gb cap for new customers not the 3gb, I would have taken that! As it was I took the 2MB.
Soon as the pricing settels down I'll proberly downgrade my connection. Even 512k would be enuff... to me its about prices.


Whats I want to know is does this mean NTL will be changeing to similar priceing like Telewests 512/2 1mb/4mb 2/10mb unmited set up that they have at the moment?

jtwn 14-12-2005 16:26
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by matmimi
that is not fair....i was leeching 24 hours/day @ 3 Mbit and now they want us to do the same @ lower speed......2 Mbit is something from the past....
HA. Back down to 2mb for you lemming.


They should launch an assault on the penny pinchers at BT with the unlimited options and BT's billing of people over caps, it would make for good publicity, but obviously that will never happen unless we are talking about just on the ntl channel.

rogerdraig 14-12-2005 17:17
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
well see cable forumnews it seems to have changed yet again

and as usual customers are still in the dark

tony 14-12-2005 17:25
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grubbymitts2
30gb a month is 10X what you are allowed currently with 1mb - that's probably the reason for the downgrade, though it does seem strange to move you up in November and then downgrade you in less than a month.
That is why i opted out of 1mb, and decided to stay on 300k with 30g cap.
Then i get email saying "good news - blah blah -- you are now going on to 512 unlimited".
Now they appear to be saying the 1mb is going unlimited and i am stuck on 512.
For a communications company NTL are decidedly short on communication, nothing new there though.
If i can summon the will maybe i'll try CS.

rogerdraig 14-12-2005 17:28
Re: Unlimited downloads from January?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
That is why i opted out of 1mb, and decided to stay on 300k with 30g cap.
Then i get email saying "good news - blah blah -- you are now going on to 512 unlimited".
Now they appear to be saying the 1mb is going unlimited and i am stuck on 512.
For a communications company NTL are decidedly short on communication, nothing new there though.
If i can summon the will maybe i'll try CS.

it does sort of sap the will to even talk to them dont it lol

Griffin 14-12-2005 17:56
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
Have to laugh 10 mb 75gb cap which you can use in approx 21 hours. 2mb unlimited you can download the same 75gb in just under 4.5 days, works out approx 500gb you can download in a month. Big question why not just make the cap on 10mb 500gb, that would stop the obvious migration from 10mb to 2mb.

mcmanic 14-12-2005 18:26
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
if the cap was larger on 10meg then yeah i would happily pay what i'm paying now and stay at 10meg, but now it seems that 2meg unlimited may be available, hell even 1meg unlimited if no 2meg then i'll happily downgrade yet download more and pay NTL less.

Who losses out?, not me thats for sure

slowcoach 14-12-2005 18:37
NEW! NTL Unlimited Downloads
 
Both 1 and 2meg services are going unlimited (NO CAP) come January.
Prices are unchanged. :Yikes:

I seem to remember "The Bloke in the Pub" did say that everyone would be happy by the end of this year.

trebor 14-12-2005 18:41
Re: New NTL Unlimited Speeds
 
:D unlimited speed?:D thats sounds good (if only):erm:

dam it you beat me to the edit

Maggy 14-12-2005 18:44
Re: New NTL Unlimited Speeds
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trebor
:D unlimited speed?:D thats sounds good (if only):erm:

dam it you beat me to the edit
Oh good!I've been having trouble keeping to the 3GB cap this last month..due entirely to son wanting to play WOW.This should make it a little less stressful...hopefully.

marky 14-12-2005 18:47
Re: NEW! NTL Unlimited Downloads
 
Sounds good, i may not bother with the 10meg now :tu:

cookie_365 14-12-2005 18:48
Re: NEW! NTL Unlimited Downloads
 
It's not so long ago that I was pleased as punch at my brand new 600kbs connection with a 1Gb per day cap - all for a measly £25 ;)

Well done NTL :):):tu::tu:

DieDieMyDarling 14-12-2005 18:49
Re: *all* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)
 
This is why i'm surprised they didn't offer a 37.99 unlimited deal. A lot of people will just downgrade now, i for one definitely will.

Scope 14-12-2005 18:49
Re: NEW! NTL Unlimited Downloads
 
Does this mean they will not upgrade 2mb to 10mb as planned? Or will they still introduce 10mb with 30gb limit @ £24.99?


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