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LagRealm 07-12-2005 22:49

2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Hi all, I want to share my nightmares and experiences over the last few months. And NTL has yet to fix my problem. Ok, here is the problem. My net has been running worse than a 56k modem for the past 3 months. It all started around end of August. I have called NTL customer/technical support around 15-20 times over the past months. They always find a problem in my net but never actually fix it.

NTL Technical Support has sent 4 engineer round my house, and each time they say they promised to fix my net, which I know they won't, cuz I think they can't be arsed and they don't have the knowledge to fix it.

Anyways here is what happened over the last few months, the first time I called tech support, they told me that I have spyware on my computer and that is causing my net to slow down. I told them that I am not a n00b using internet and my computer is part of my life, as in I spend most of my time doin coding and also reading and upgrading my comp. So I told them, it had to be the net on your(NTL) end that is causing this major lag/slowness. Then I spent another 45 mins on the phone with them, and they finally agreed to me that there is some problem with the modem, so they send over the 1st engineer. The engineer came, and said my mdem signal is too high, 9dB. He lowered it and the net was basically fine for 5hrs, then it went back to LagRealm. Its even slower than a dialup. Imagine.

Ok, I had enough with them, I called them back later that evening, told them the problem, then they say, I might be having a modem problem. This time he said that I have too many spyware again. I told him that I formatted my PC, did a fresh install, he simply blamed it on my P2P softwares, which I dont even use any of it. They then agreed to send another engineer, after spending 1hr 30mins on the phone talking with the tech support person. Two days later, the 2nd engineer came over then, he told me that simply there is nothing can be done because it is due to a bottleneck in my area. I simply said to him that is totally unacceptable. I am paying £24.99 a month meanwhile I am only getting a 56k modem speed, then he said that there is nothing could be done. I wasnt too happy abt it, I picked up the phone and called tech support again. There we go again. Another round.

3rd time, this time they say I have a modem failure, again, guess how long on the phone? , 2hrs. Believe me I got so sick of it. BEing passed around on the phone to 4 different person, explaining to them. OK, 3rd time, 3rd engineer coming over to fix new modem. The next day, 3rd engineer came to my hse, late in the day, he came over and replaced my old modem(NTL 200) to a NTL 250 modem, he checked it and installed it and then, tried the speedtest and guess what? Its still the same, he told me this time shouldnt have any problem. He told me to restart my modem at 12am, then my net would be fixed. Guessed what, nothing. The same.

CAlled them back again, 4th engineer coming, only needed to spend 5 mins on the phone with them, thank god. 4th engineer came, ok, cool, he fixed my speed but sad thing is it only lasted 40s. It stop loading a page. I told what that is impossible for me, it is unfair for me , while others enjoyin theirs 2mb line while i m suffering each day. He agreed to past my case to his "team leader" , yea right. It was 3weeks ago, and now I am still running at the same speed as before. He told me that they will send it to the network engineer team, then he said that they would do a modem tracking test, routing maybe?

I am on a 2MB line, I should be expecting a download rate of around, 210KB/s to 240KB/s , I am not getting no where near that speed. During the morning I am getting a speed less than 30KB/s. In the afternoon/night, I am getting a speed of less than 9KB/s. How bad can it go?

Called them again, they told me that there is nothing they can do abt the slow connectivity. WHAT?! I am paying there. Anyways, I am goin to write a strong complain letter. Might lead to legal case? Dunno.

I am also a hardcore online gamer, I play World of Warcraft(WoW) with the ping of 3.4Kms, which is totally ridiculous. Then I play Counter-Strike 1.6, I used to get an average ping of 27ms, but now I am getting an average of 80ms. Where the extra came from? I am also getting loss over this game, like really alot. Anyways.

Last week, I spent 3 days trying to upload a file into my server, 30mb file. So why my upload speed is ****e?

I have tried with seperate machines in my house, its the same. I have firewall, both software and hardware, both switched off during my tests. I have spyware remover program, that I ran each day. I dont own a cable TV either. I use a router, tried both way. Still the same.

Here is some speedtest I have done. first: http://testmy.net

:::.. Download Stats ..:::
Connection is:: 185 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)
Download Speed is:: 23 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (server2)
Test Time:: Wed Dec 7 23:32:34 UTC 2005
Bottom Line:: 3X faster than 56K 1MB download in 44.52 sec
Diagnosis: May need help : running at only 7.63 % of your hosts average (ntl.com)

Download speed: 23 KB/s (impressive) not duh!

Conclusion: What is goin on with my net?

2nd Test: http://www.adslguide.org.uk

Downstream 474 Kbps (59.3 KB/sec) 511 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 195 Kbps (24.4 KB/sec) 210 Kbps (inc. overheads)

OMG. Seriously something is wrong.

Tracert: to bbc.co.uk

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

D:\Documents and Settings\****>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 47 ms 25 ms 44 ms 10.184.87.254
2 169 ms 151 ms 136 ms nott-t2cam1-a-v126.inet.ntl.com [80.4.46.105]
3 20 ms 14 ms 18 ms nott-t2core-a-ge-wan74.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.73]

4 36 ms 29 ms 52 ms nott-t2core-b-ge-wan91.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.2]

5 78 ms * 27 ms nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.37]
6 40 ms 26 ms 26 ms nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.117]
7 25 ms 51 ms 20 ms gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.98]
8 55 ms 33 ms 27 ms redb-ic-1-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.138]
9 * 45 ms 41 ms 212.58.238.189
10 58 ms 56 ms 56 ms 212.58.238.133
11 32 ms * 48 ms rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]

Trace complete.

I hope some of you guys and offer me some advice. I hope to solve this problem. I need the net to solve my work. I would change ISP, but the area I am living in, wouldnt allow me to do so. SO I am stuck. Help.

EDIT: Btw, I live in Nottingham.

Paul 07-12-2005 22:51

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
At the top right of every page, on the navbar, you will see "Quick Links", in there is "New Speed Test". Please try that and post the result.

LagRealm 07-12-2005 23:08

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
I am having a trouble loading the page even T_T

---------- Post added at 00:08 ---------- Previous post was at 00:01 ----------

Anyways done it...its horrible.

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:02:00 GMT

1st 512K took 96359 ms = 5441 KB/sec, approx 45 Kbps, 0.04 Mbps
2nd 512K took 80375 ms = 6523 KB/sec, approx 54 Kbps, 0.05 Mbps
3rd 512K took 95203 ms = 5507 KB/sec, approx 45 Kbps, 0.04 Mbps
4th 512K took 49735 ms = 10542 KB/sec, approx 84 Kbps, 0.08 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 57 Kbps, 0.05 Mbps

What should I do next?

Paul 07-12-2005 23:36

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Bloody hell, that's the worst test I have ever seen. :eek:

Please PM me some details (account number, name, contact number, address) and I will pass this to our internal contacts for them to investigate.

LagRealm 07-12-2005 23:43

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
uh huh, hoped NTL would know abt it.... guessed they doesnt really believe me :(

how soon do you think I can hear from them?

grubbymitts 08-12-2005 07:55

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
stop your direct debit - you'll hear from them within days. At the same time write to Simon Duffy/NTL (one of the bosses) and tell him if it doesn't get sorted you are off to BT

Simon Duffy
Chief Executive Officer
C/O ntl Business Limited
ntl House
Bartley Wood Business Park
Hook, Hampshire
RG27 9UP

better than spending 3hrs on the phone to some underpaid, overworked indian fellow

handyman 08-12-2005 08:25

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LagRealm
uh huh, hoped NTL would know abt it.... guessed they doesnt really believe me :(

how soon do you think I can hear from them?

Just in case theres some confusion this site is not owned or run by ntl, however many of the ntl techs help out and many of the old staff (like me ) help here too.

Paul m will pass your details to a very high level contact with ntl. Once things get to this stage they normally can be sorted at that level.

Good luck and welcome to the site btw :wavey:

LagRealm 08-12-2005 11:38

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
WOW!

Thanks alot Paul! One of the NTL person just contacted me. I thought I wouldnt have get anything done, not till like yesterday night searching for some help.

handyman 08-12-2005 12:34

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
let us know how you get this all sorted :)

LagRealm 08-12-2005 15:36

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
will do! :) I will keep u guys posted :)

opticalfibre 09-12-2005 06:50

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Hi everybody,
Here's mine and this speed is very similar to other tests i've done in last 2 weeks & remarkably very constant. Is this normal for 2Mps broadband?? Now i fear for talking long hrs in phone :mad:. And seriously thinking of downgrading the line if I'm paying £24 for 1Mps :mad::mad::mad: and only problem is 3GB cap. This is the first time in my life that i've experience anything called "cap" as i came from Hongkong where cap is one you put on your head ;).

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:39:50 GMT

1st 512K took 4516 ms = 113.4 KB/sec, approx 934 Kbps, 0.91 Mbps
2nd 512K took 4359 ms = 117.5 KB/sec, approx 968 Kbps, 0.95 Mbps
3rd 512K took 4531 ms = 113 KB/sec, approx 931 Kbps, 0.91 Mbps
4th 512K took 4391 ms = 116.6 KB/sec, approx 961 Kbps, 0.94 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 949 Kbps, 0.93 Mbps

LagRealm 09-12-2005 07:37

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
i dont want to sound bad, i guessed if you have written a full thing of what happened in your own thread would receive much better advice ;)

LagRealm 09-12-2005 16:29

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
I have just got an updated about 30mins ago from NTL, told me that they are having a "network" problem, and they are aware of it. They are investigating into it and NTL will call me back on Monday. Which is good news to me, at least some update on progress to make me happy :)

jackthelad4711 12-12-2005 18:59

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Same problem here...


http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=39436

LagRealm 20-12-2005 22:49

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Looks like NTL, is still in progress looking deeper into my case. Which is good, more research, less problems. *thumbs up*

Stuart 20-12-2005 23:54

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackthelad4711

Unless two threads have been merged, that is this thread.

sprattgraham 21-12-2005 11:42

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LagRealm
Hi all, I want to share my nightmares and experiences over the last few months. And NTL has yet to fix my problem. Ok, here is the problem. My net has been running worse than a 56k modem for the past 3 months. It all started around end of August. I have called NTL customer/technical support around 15-20 times over the past months. They always find a problem in my net but never actually fix it.

NTL Technical Support has sent 4 engineer round my house, and each time they say they promised to fix my net, which I know they won't, cuz I think they can't be arsed and they don't have the knowledge to fix it.

Anyways here is what happened over the last few months, the first time I called tech support, they told me that I have spyware on my computer and that is causing my net to slow down. I told them that I am not a n00b using internet and my computer is part of my life, as in I spend most of my time doin coding and also reading and upgrading my comp. So I told them, it had to be the net on your(NTL) end that is causing this major lag/slowness. Then I spent another 45 mins on the phone with them, and they finally agreed to me that there is some problem with the modem, so they send over the 1st engineer. The engineer came, and said my mdem signal is too high, 9dB. He lowered it and the net was basically fine for 5hrs, then it went back to LagRealm. Its even slower than a dialup. Imagine.

Ok, I had enough with them, I called them back later that evening, told them the problem, then they say, I might be having a modem problem. This time he said that I have too many spyware again. I told him that I formatted my PC, did a fresh install, he simply blamed it on my P2P softwares, which I dont even use any of it. They then agreed to send another engineer, after spending 1hr 30mins on the phone talking with the tech support person. Two days later, the 2nd engineer came over then, he told me that simply there is nothing can be done because it is due to a bottleneck in my area. I simply said to him that is totally unacceptable. I am paying £24.99 a month meanwhile I am only getting a 56k modem speed, then he said that there is nothing could be done. I wasnt too happy abt it, I picked up the phone and called tech support again. There we go again. Another round.

3rd time, this time they say I have a modem failure, again, guess how long on the phone? , 2hrs. Believe me I got so sick of it. BEing passed around on the phone to 4 different person, explaining to them. OK, 3rd time, 3rd engineer coming over to fix new modem. The next day, 3rd engineer came to my hse, late in the day, he came over and replaced my old modem(NTL 200) to a NTL 250 modem, he checked it and installed it and then, tried the speedtest and guess what? Its still the same, he told me this time shouldnt have any problem. He told me to restart my modem at 12am, then my net would be fixed. Guessed what, nothing. The same.

CAlled them back again, 4th engineer coming, only needed to spend 5 mins on the phone with them, thank god. 4th engineer came, ok, cool, he fixed my speed but sad thing is it only lasted 40s. It stop loading a page. I told what that is impossible for me, it is unfair for me , while others enjoyin theirs 2mb line while i m suffering each day. He agreed to past my case to his "team leader" , yea right. It was 3weeks ago, and now I am still running at the same speed as before. He told me that they will send it to the network engineer team, then he said that they would do a modem tracking test, routing maybe?

I am on a 2MB line, I should be expecting a download rate of around, 210KB/s to 240KB/s , I am not getting no where near that speed. During the morning I am getting a speed less than 30KB/s. In the afternoon/night, I am getting a speed of less than 9KB/s. How bad can it go?

Called them again, they told me that there is nothing they can do abt the slow connectivity. WHAT?! I am paying there. Anyways, I am goin to write a strong complain letter. Might lead to legal case? Dunno.

I am also a hardcore online gamer, I play World of Warcraft(WoW) with the ping of 3.4Kms, which is totally ridiculous. Then I play Counter-Strike 1.6, I used to get an average ping of 27ms, but now I am getting an average of 80ms. Where the extra came from? I am also getting loss over this game, like really alot. Anyways.

Last week, I spent 3 days trying to upload a file into my server, 30mb file. So why my upload speed is ****e?

I have tried with seperate machines in my house, its the same. I have firewall, both software and hardware, both switched off during my tests. I have spyware remover program, that I ran each day. I dont own a cable TV either. I use a router, tried both way. Still the same.

Here is some speedtest I have done. first: http://testmy.net

:::.. Download Stats ..:::
Connection is:: 185 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)
Download Speed is:: 23 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (server2)
Test Time:: Wed Dec 7 23:32:34 UTC 2005
Bottom Line:: 3X faster than 56K 1MB download in 44.52 sec
Diagnosis: May need help : running at only 7.63 % of your hosts average (ntl.com)

Download speed: 23 KB/s (impressive) not duh!

Conclusion: What is goin on with my net?

2nd Test: http://www.adslguide.org.uk

Downstream 474 Kbps (59.3 KB/sec) 511 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 195 Kbps (24.4 KB/sec) 210 Kbps (inc. overheads)

OMG. Seriously something is wrong.

Tracert: to bbc.co.uk

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

D:\Documents and Settings\****>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 47 ms 25 ms 44 ms 10.184.87.254
2 169 ms 151 ms 136 ms nott-t2cam1-a-v126.inet.ntl.com [80.4.46.105]
3 20 ms 14 ms 18 ms nott-t2core-a-ge-wan74.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.73]

4 36 ms 29 ms 52 ms nott-t2core-b-ge-wan91.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.2]

5 78 ms * 27 ms nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.37]
6 40 ms 26 ms 26 ms nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.117]
7 25 ms 51 ms 20 ms gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.98]
8 55 ms 33 ms 27 ms redb-ic-1-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.138]
9 * 45 ms 41 ms 212.58.238.189
10 58 ms 56 ms 56 ms 212.58.238.133
11 32 ms * 48 ms rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]

Trace complete.

I hope some of you guys and offer me some advice. I hope to solve this problem. I need the net to solve my work. I would change ISP, but the area I am living in, wouldnt allow me to do so. SO I am stuck. Help.

EDIT: Btw, I live in Nottingham.

You thinks thats bad look at this and also see my post here
http://forums.ntlhell.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20836

:::.. Download Stats ..:::
Connection is:: 221 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 579 kB)
Download Speed is:: 27 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (server2)
Test Time:: Wed Dec 21 12:34:50 UTC 2005
Bottom Line:: 4X faster than 56K 1MB download in 37.93 sec
Diagnosis: May need help : running at only 8.82 % of your hosts average (ntl.com)
Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-WGKM5DTO6

adslguide.org.uk
Downstream480 Kbps (60.0 KB/sec)518 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream151 Kbps (18.9 KB/sec)163 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.1.1
2 154 ms 143 ms 168 ms 10.229.191.254
3 248 ms 255 ms 251 ms cmbg-t2cam1-a-v109.inet.ntl.com [80.1.202.9]
4 219 ms 211 ms 231 ms cmbg-t2core-a-ge-wan62.inet.ntl.com [80.1.201.37]
5 258 ms 264 ms 154 ms pop-bb-a-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.193]
6 185 ms 202 ms 213 ms nth-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.13]
7 258 ms 266 ms 259 ms nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.117]
8 159 ms 147 ms 167 ms gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.98]
9 207 ms 227 ms 235 ms redb-ic-1-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.138]
10 270 ms 267 ms 260 ms 212.58.238.189
11 187 ms 196 ms 195 ms 212.58.238.133
12 178 ms 202 ms 203 ms rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
Trace complete.

LagRealm 21-12-2005 21:05

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Sometimes it isnt abt the speed, its always abt the frustration that I have to go through each time I open the web browser, where I used to surf internet or streaming , dloading and uploading , the amount of time I spend on checking my email nowdays are at least 2.5hrs. Which is totally ridiculous, when I used to only needed to spend 30mins previously. The frustration, makes me felt like picking up the phone and screaming at the correct person.

When it slow, everything in the stats bothers me.

ren1 22-12-2005 17:22

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
I had a simlar problem my speeds were all over the place and when I phoned I got more or less the same replies as you.

I have the hardware linksys wrt 54g and software firewall as you do and I also tried turning thre firewall off with no change.

In the end I decided to remove the firewall completely from my system and back came my speed, I was using netveda saftey.net free,the change to kiero 4.2 free has resloved everything.

th'engineer 23-12-2005 09:01

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
they always get it sorted eventually

Graham M 07-02-2006 11:14

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
I was at LagRealm's house at the weekend, and it's still poorly.

Chrysalis 08-02-2006 01:02

Re: 2MB Line, I dont think so
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LagRealm
I have just got an updated about 30mins ago from NTL, told me that they are having a "network" problem, and they are aware of it. They are investigating into it and NTL will call me back on Monday. Which is good news to me, at least some update on progress to make me happy :)

honesty goes a long way :)


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