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Just to let you all know that from the end of December i will no longer be working for NTL. Was given my 30 days notice of redundancy this morning :).

So after 13 years it goodbye to NTL.

The funny thing is i am not upset 1 little bit :)

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I should hope not, you should be quids in after 13 years service. :D

All the best with the future anyway. :)

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As I said elsewhere, Good luck Bill - and Good luck Warrington! ;)

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thanks guys :)

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13 years? :-)

Hope you got a good package mate!


I was made redundant two years ago and only got the gov statuary payment - not much after 5 years! Funny thing is - I'm now working again for the same company!

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NTL give very good redundancy packages :)

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Hmm .. strange because very recently ntl were advertising on our local radio for CSAs :erm:

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I am a Engineer :)


Or was :LOL:

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Good to talk Bill - really pleased for you! :D

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Nice one ! :tu: Hope you find work soon (that's if you want to!;) )

:angel:

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really sorry to hear about your news but pleased you've taken it so well. I find it hard to comprehend that such a publically loyal member of staff has been given redundancy.

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their loss.

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Taken it well?? He's chuffed to bits!!! :D

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flippin' 'eck it must be big money!

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Well Bill, if you're happy them I'm happy for you :)
Any idea what you'll go on to do next?

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I'm in that boat mate, I ws made redundant in July, and i'm still looking, there not much out here.

If your in a union I hope they fight and get a good deal for you.

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ntls redundancy for those that joined before 2002 is very good. I don't think a union could get a better deal if they tried!

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What can I say Bill, I'm gutted:shocked:

After all you've done for everyone here, both in outright help/advise/behind the scenes, you are going to be sorely missed, but hopefully, if you feel so inclined, you can keep us up to date on how you're doing in life:)

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Redundancy isnt normally the nicest of news..... But it sounds as if you'll get a nice package. Any ideas on whats next?? Maybe a long needed holiday etc??? :D

Good luck, and speak soon! :)

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Good luck with whatever you decide to do next, Bill.

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Blimey Bill, I'm :shocked:

I hope it all turns out good for you.

Thanks for all your help :clap:

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Yeah thanks for your input in the past Bill. Good luck for the future.

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Good luck Bill mate chat in a bit on ts :)

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Sorry Bill, but I think you should ask them to reconsider. I mean, can they afford to be losing experienced engineers in the North West given connection and email issues recently. I think you should refuse to go :D


Here's hoping you walk straight into another job and can blow your redundancy package!

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Thanks to every one for the nice remarks.

Yes its NTL's loss and i am over the moon with the package they have offered me.

I have my fingers in a few pies so watch this space :) and i will continue to post on here as i will be a customer of NTL. Even without my employee package.

They have not treated me badly and i wish those that remain a happy time with them.

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I feel that making redundancys at christmas is out of order, it can ruin any christmas, (I alone spent around £1000 on christmas last year, food, drink, and pressies)

I was luck in that I was made redundant in the summer a week before my hols

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With the redundnacy package that ntl people like Bill are receiving, I have no doubt it'll be one of the best Christmas' ever!

I've been keeping my news on the employee forum, but I too have been made redundant. :D:D:D:D I can tell you now, I'm as happy as Bill is too!!! :cleader:
And yes, it will be a good Xmas :D

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Well I'm happy for you Bill as that's what you want.:tu:

Your help on this forum has been very well received and has helped quite a few..it's our loss and NTL's as well. :(

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And for you as well. Seems Ntl is getting rid of some of it's best assets more fool them.

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Thing is, they don't look at employees as assets, just costs.... I costs more than the guys that work for me, so they want to cut that costs. Suits me! :D:D

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Good luck to you both!

NTL are idiots, probably why they chose you for redundancy as intellectually they can't take the competition. :D

A blow for the customers though. :(

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Blimey, I've never seen people so happy at being made redundant... Congratulations I suppose... :shrug: :tu:

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Where I work a collegue of mine begged to be allowed to take voluntary redundancy. He was gutted when it was refused. He would have got a lot of money.

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Good luck Bill have a good holiday and perhaps a few conventions before you bother to find another job.

Many thanks for all the help you have given me over the years and I do realise just what NTL have lost by letting you go.

:clap: :clap: :clap: When ever you are passing you are still welcome to call for a coffee. Keep intouch Bill around here you made NTL, lets hope they can live without you.

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I know that, but people often have somewhat mixed emotions. If however, you already have another job lined up...

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I don't. And I couldn't care less :D

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:tu: Good luck to both of you - hope you find a job where the company will give a damn because you deserve it.

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does this mean we can slag off NTL now without risking OB putting us straight! seriously though, good luck.

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I put people straight about ntl when they're unreasonale or wrong. And I always will. ;)

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Er, is there anybody still working for NTL? :disturbd:

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wow, gobsmacked doesn't describe this, I know it is a small sample of NTL staff that we see on here, but they always willing to help & offer advice, because of focus on the customer. Some good ones have already been 'let go'.

In Bill C's & OB's case how on earth can they consider losing such experience with the Telewest merger imminent.

Never mind, I'm glad that you both feel this is best for you, personally, sincere good wishes for the future, I just can't believe the shortsightedness of 'beancounters'

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In the UK its shrinking fast and all the best are going soon they will be flying engineers in from offshore countires to fix the modem and flying them back when they have finished :LOL:

Good Luck OB have a good Xmas.

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Actually, I'm still quite surprised at the low amount of people being made redundant company wide. As both Bill and I are on 30 days consultation, this means that no more than 99 people are being made redundant company wide. Which at this time of year surprises me.

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:LOL:

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But they are losing quality staff and whats left. India and a few in the UK when are they moving the Head Office to India then and the CEO job save more money outsourcing him. :LOL:

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Well i'm totally shocked :O

Ntl are nuts they really are, they get rid of some really nice people that defend them and do the job very well. Its all banana's

New computer for bill c for xmas though :))

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There's still more than 8000 employees in the UK, not quite afew....

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:wavey:

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:wavey:

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I'm amazed that ntl could get rid of two such helpful emloyees! :eek: Still, you both seem happy, hope you both find something nice to do next, and keep on posting on the forum! :wavey:

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Will do! I intend to do nothing til Feb, then temp, and then hopefully moving to the west country coast in April :D

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What reasons' they give, sounds like soon the only staff left will be directors, and india ts.

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India TS aren't ntl staff, but staff of Daksh (part of IBM).

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Well, to those who are currently sitting happy in the knowledge that their time with NTL is coming to an end all I can say is good luck for the future and I hope you find work within a company that will actually recognise your efforts and appreciate you.

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Good luck Bill Ntls loss will be some companys gain keep your eye on monster.com always wanting proper engs at our place , unless you go as a contractor :D :LOL:

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:LOL:

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:td: Sorry to hear about the bad news .Its the same in Grimsby the last 2 inhouse techs were given the news that they were being made redundant:td: They say they contractors are the way forward:(

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this is something I find hard to take - in my opinion it is jobs that are redundant, not people, if the job still exists I don't think any company should be able to make the incumbent redundant, to make way for a 'cheaper' option.

Sadly I know how naiive that view is :(

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:D ok can we just outsource the CEO and keep the 8,000 staff or better still Lets have Bill C as CEO and you as his assistant. :LOL: bet NTL would run better with you both running it.

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I'm sad to hear you are both going :(

But thanks very much for all the help and support you have given people through Cable Forum because on the whole it has been appreciated!

Good luck with whatever you go on to do :handshake

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Just to let you know.

I will not be leaving this forum as i will still be a NTL customer.

I will still try to help people even if i dont have the access i used to have at NTL.

You never know i might need this forum if i have a problem with my NTL services :Yikes:.

So to confirm you dont get rid of me that easily :disturbd:

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Welcome to the good side of the force young jedi :D:ninja:

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Heared the news on the NTL jungle drums. Sorry to see you go Bill:( :(
Where will we Techs go for advice , tips and general broadband help now.
Looks like it will be the old 'your connection works ok on my laptop sir, goodbye'... lots more of dissatisfied customers. NTL''s loss (again).

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Bill, OB: Good luck doing whatever you want.

Bill: Glad to hear you are staying. OB, hope you do too..

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Sorry to hear rhat Bill, sounds like you'll be ok, and Ob's in the same boat, keep us posted on the work fronts, and above all............ stick around here :p: What he said \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ :tu:

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Well Bill, what a shocker logging in tonight.
I am happy to see that you have the right attitude, not so much the loss of a job, more the start of a new adventure, been there done that many times.
I know you wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have any problem finding new employment as good people are hard to find in this day and age.

Good to see that we are not losing you from the forum.
As I havenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t had any problems with the services I only come to the forum for enjoyment and your sense of humour and northern wit has given me many laughs.
All my best wishes to you for the future.

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Again Ntl shoots itself in the foot.
Again it's at the expense of it's staff and customers.
What a Company. :-(

I'm glad that OB and Bill don't seem to mind too much and that they have got a good redundency package.

I wish both of you all the best for the future.

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Goodluck, Bill. Thanks for all your help :)

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Bit late catching this thread, but nice one Bill, i'm happy for you mate. Best of luck for the future.

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Gutted when I read the first post but if Bill's happy then that'll do, gutted again when OB posted but another happy bunny, who knows next round of 'employ em' we 'may' see you both back maybe as 'freelancers' and invoicing NTL for what you are both really worth.

best of luck to you both

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annoying when corrected on this, so officially they not ntl staff, but they are working for ntl just indirectly, so ntl will just be directors then and outsourcing :p

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I'm glad things have worked out for you Bill and OB, I wanted redundancy during the "Planning for Growth" fiasco. I didn't get it so walked out of the company after 12 and a half years with nothing.

I walked straight into another job, unfortunately I was made redundant after just 8 months. I was a little worried but soon had a smile on my face, when the redunddancy package for my 8 month job was about the same as I would of got for 12 and a half years in ntl.

Constantly reducing employees is the only way ntl are meeting thier targets. Very few of the jobs they advertise are technical these days, you only need to have a look at the website to see most are gathering statistics. It will get to a point when there will be no one available to fix a fault but a glut to of emplyees to report that statistic.

There's fewer and fewer out there fixing things these days.

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Wonder just how legal that is as they have access to our account details on a Database that is supposed to be for NTL/NTL staff. Would be nice to see if this is a technical issues NTL have no experience of handling like the fact soon they will have no technical staff to service the network. Contractors could hold the company to ransome for higher fees by letting the network slip or taking longer to fix, where as their own staff would have the job fixed quickly. Its a cut throat business and unless you have your own guys you never know what is round the corner.

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It's completely legal. The Data Protection Act doesn't require that access to data is restricted to persons employed by the company who hold the data, only that it is restricted to appropriate persons.

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Agreed. Access can be given to agents of a company, whether they are employees or not.

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Good Luck bill as if you need it ;)

after chating with you last night I see you are still in high spirits :)

As has been said already ntls lose

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Best of luck to both.

Can not really understand why ntl is replacing some of its best staff with more contractors from Kelly Services!!

They should try making a few of the useless muppets in top dog roles redundant instead, that must be the biggest most needless drain on resources. Do they really need a director of customer services at all 3 call centres and 3 communications managers at each? All must be on pretty healthy salaries too!

Certainally have to say Bill sorted a prob for me last year and really seemed to know his stuff so definately ntls loss.

Glad the redundancy package is good for both!

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There you have it,proof positive. NTL ditch engineers in favour of customer service staff. Dont fix it-sell it.

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Just wonder when those fols in high places at NTL realise teh network is going to grind to a halt if they don't look after it and to look after it they need engineers.

Also as they only have so many streets cabled sooner or later they will saturate their area and cannot streatch any further without laying new cable.

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Congratulations :)

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I suppose the question is what will be next the network people who keep the BB going. And reconfigure the system to balance the load.

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Good luck guys,I was made redundent in Sept 05 after 7 years as a tech.No longer cost effective.cantractors are cheaper!
Spike

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I was made redundant from my company on 31st Oct. It was a shock.
I felt bitter, and the usual questions - why me etc.
I've registered with several recruitment agencies, and after being out of work for five weeks, have now been offered another position with another company - at a higher salary, and with much better benefits.
Believe me - as one door closes, another opens...

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Simon Duffy should be made redundant :(

Then we get ignition, bill and all the others back probably all under simon's salary level.

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good luck Bill,

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Those that say that they couldn't careless or they are happy about being made redundant, wait until you get stuff all from the government.

I only get £200 per month and pay out £400, so early next year I'll be going in the red in my Bank

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david yeah I had that affect when I lost a job few years back, they were paying me for 6 weeks after I left and everything looked cushy and I got too comfortable, even took my time to claim the dole. Situation soon changed when I realised once income stops cash drops fast and lifestyle has to change.

But good luck to you Bill and I hope you still find the time to visit here.

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I will still be a NTL customer, So might need this forum . Anyway who could leave this place :)

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Good luck....... all the best for the future

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Just picked up on this thread. Pleased that both Bill and OB are happy with the redundancy packages on offer, but stunned that the BeanCounters once again rule. I wish both of you well for the future.

At some stage companies need to wake up to the fact that they are only as good as their staff. You can only outsource and subcontract so much. At some stage expertise is essential in house so you can still resolve issues, deveolop solutions and progress. But as ever the shortsighted, approach simpy seems each member of staff as a cost to be reduced.

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Well said! bean counters ARE taking over the world - but at the wish of shareholders $$$$ Profits first $$$$ Customer service second $$$ Staff third.

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Good luck to everyone who has been kicked out or simply walked out. I walked out myself on Friday after nearly 9 years with the company, I'd been hoping for redundancy but I just couldn't stand it any longer. The role I did was technical support for the network engineers but over the last 12 months this has been diminished by ignorant and obtuse directors (one in particular). The company is realling going down the pan. Outsourcing is the key and I think you'll see an even bigger shift towards this next year, especially on the network engineer and switch engineer side.

Couldn't be happier to have left and they can stick their redundancy up their @rse!!!

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We might not have agreed that much in the past, but i can't agree with you more here. Bill C and Ignition were the sole reasons i haven't gone mad sometimes, they have both helped me and it astonishes me that 2 people who helped to placate customers arn't looked after better. I will honestly miss your helpfulness Bill and am still grateful for the help i received from you last month. My sincerest best wishes for your next job and hopefully you will end up with employers more deserving.

Cheers again, best of luck :(

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Just how many people are left keeping ntl running?

I hope there's a warning before the TV service stops altogether because there's no-one there keeping it working.

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I would say Shareholders first, profits second everything else................ .................................................. ...............







Forget it

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Profits - Shareholders - Selfish greed - all the same.

Ps Like your location.

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Guys, I wasn't pushed I jumped ;)

Now work for a company that treats me like a human being, isn't anywhere near as politically charged, and where I get so so so much less 'excrement' along with better working environment and substantially higher salary and benefits and a more interesting job.

So no thanks I'll stay where I am, not to mention that I've moved home in between and have no intention of commuting from London to Hampshire.

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In that case, Goodbye and thanks for the fish :P

Seriously though, you have been a great help to me, and no doubt countless others, ntl's loss is going to be another companies gain, I hope you stick around, as you're a diamond, and a top member of this community :-)

Thanks again, and good luck in the future.

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I dedicate this link to those that have lost their jobs: http://www.socialscrutiny.org/weblog.php?id=P243

It is funny..

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This is great - my company is laying off about 30 people and about 10 mins ago i receive a phone call from a colleage who tells me that HR have just left a meeting to go and phone those affected. Therefor i will know this afternoon or tomorrow.

And whats at the top of Todays posts when i click on Cableforum... this one...

Hope to god its not a sign..... :eek:

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Here's wishing you luck :tu:

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Is that what used to be called the 'Department of Stealth and Total Obscurity'?

;)