[Merged] Routers and 10Mb
 

After finally managing to convince the peeps at ntl that I had a good reason for moving to 10mb early my worst fear has been confirmed.

My 4 port router is not capable of handling a 10mb connection on the WAN port, I presume because they have only designed that port to be 10M half duplex.

(I have tested the connection direct to my PC with zonealarm free installed and downloaded the same test file I used with the router installed and managed a solid 1.1Mb per second)

So, on to the list:

Router Name: SMC Barricade SMC7004BR UK.
Router Firmware: R1.96h2.
Typical throughput with 10Mb: 450-600Kb per sec.

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Cheap wired ORIGO 4 Port Router with USB Print Server Port.
10/100 auto-switching, works great.

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I have a Belin 4 Port Wireless thing (11mbit) which def has a 10mbit port
The SMC 4 Port BR thing - Also 10mbit port

Went out and Bought a Linksys Wireless router 54g and that had written on the box the specs 10/100mbit WAN port. Bascially if your out buying one - check the box as it should tell you..

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Linksys WRT54G works fine

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D-Link DI624 smashing!! all fine and dandy here

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SB 4100 & Buffalo router works fine

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BEFSR41 v3 with the latest 1.5 firmware is working fine on this end. :D

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BEFSR41 VER2 has only a 10meg wan not at 10/100

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Any particular version?

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DLink DI604 working fine here...

All ports, NIC, Router and SACM set to 100mb Full Duplex.

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I have an SMC Barricade SMC7004ABR UK. and it works fine on the 10mb service.

Firmware 1.018

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Linksys WRT54G works great here

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Hang on i have a SMC7004ABR UK and theres 2 posts here 1 saying it works and the other doesnt?

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Lol, there are slight differences between the 7004BR and the 7004ABR (one difference I can remember is that the printer port is uni-directional on the BR model while it is bi-directional on the ABR.) :)

The router does work with the connection in that it doesn't crash out or anything, I just don't get the full speed that I get if I connect the modem directly to the PC.

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Belkin Wireless G Router [F5D7230-4] which has an Intergrated 10/100 4-Port Switch.

Downstream 9475 Kbps (1,184.4 KB/sec) 10233 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 489 Kbps (61.1 KB/sec) 528 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Working fine here.

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I have a Netgear MR314 wireless router which is approx 3 years old (got it when NTL provided bb here) It has a ethernet connection of 10 base-T standard which gives 10 Mb; is anybody able to tell me if this can handle 10Mb full duplex or 10Mb in total?

I dont bother too much with the wireless connection as I have cabled up the house for kids pooter upstairs!

Ta for any help
Andy

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this is mine, itll work right??:

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...%2Etworking%2F

Router supporting 10mbit bandwidth
 

Hey guys,

I just realised that my router is the cause of my 10mbit ntl connection only running at 5mbit, the model is Belkin F5D5231-4, i called them up and they said that all their routers only support 5.5mbit, can anyone recommend a router that will let me run at full speed?

thank-you

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WOW :Yikes: I have a "F5D7230-4" would this apply to this as well, got to admit the max I get from my "upto 10mb/s" is 7mb/s

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Its more than likely, i have a Belkin model of some description, itll be the same when i get upgraded, looks like a new Router for me. Either that or get a new NIC and use my server as the router and the Belkin as the switch.

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I have a Linksys Wireless / 4 Port Switch Router: WRT54GS

I've had no problems at all with speed and recent speed tests show a full 10mbit connection. I've used Linksys routers for years with no issues although they are probably one or two pounds more than some you can get. Linksys are basically Cisco now as they were purchased by them last year.

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If the router only has a 10M ethernet port then it's not going to run at full speed, even in duplex mode. You need a 100M or 1000M (Gigabit) port.

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hey guys,

I just purchased the Linksys Etherfast Cable/DSL Router IP RTR 4 port 10/100,4RJ-45 which def works for 10mbit :), pfftt cant stand spending more money on things!

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Great! I've got a F5D5231-4 and cannot afford to buy a new router

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I've just plugged my lappy directly in to my Terayon modem and get the same results as i do when i connect to the modem via the WAP and router

So now what do I do?

Call CS and get a new modem,
put a router on my birthday / christmas list


Can anybody say if i will need to replace the Belkin WiFi PCcard or will that work with the above Linksys routers?

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The link below says that it is a 10/00 port?
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...0&category_oid=

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Taken from my Belkin Router Manual

Quote:

Integrated 10/100 4-Port Switch The Router has a built-in, 4-port network switch to allow your wired computers to share printers, data and MP3 files, digital photos, and much more. The switch features automatic detection so it will adjust to the speed of connected devices. The switch will transfer data between computers and the Internet simultaneously without interrupting or consuming resources.

Now someones lying?

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states on the box its 10/100, can anyone explain why a 10/100 isn't allowing 10mbit to pass through router? i haven't a clue about these things.

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The light on the router are Green 10Mb, and Orange for 100Mb, it might be that your PCI card is the problem.

Or your modem itself

Try connecting to the web from 1 PC to the modem directly.

What modem do you have?

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sorry, i shoulda stated in 1st post, the reason i know my router is capping my connection is because i direct connected modem to PC and got the full 10mbit connection, through router its 5mbit.

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the LAN side of the router is capable of 10/100Mb/s, so shared pc's will communicate ok, through the router, but the WAN side - which connects to the internet, is only capable of 10Mb/s half duplex, hence around 5Mb/s download.

This is the case with my Linksys V2 Befsr41 - and why I ain't fussed about upgrading, just yet ;)

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looks like the router i just ordered aint gonna handle 10mbit, ima have to send it back pfffft!

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levig

is the self confessed 'belkin tech', on the forum, you may want to run it by him/her as they might know of upcoming or existing firmware updates which could mean 10 meg would work at full speed???

- I would be surprised if their newer products weren't capable, already, tbh???

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u guys all seem to like the WRT54G is there a difference between the WRT54GC compact version?

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Nineham and all of you others with Belkin Routers.

there is an Excel spreadsheet with this post stating all the speeds that the belkin routers can handle and I've posted this same piece of info now about 4x on the forums.

so please check this out before you make any hasty conclusions

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cheers mate ;) I work for Belkin but I wasnt around for a couple of days (booze shopping in France) so I couldnt check what was happening in this post if I did I would've posted the links to the posts that I've done where I already stated the speeds of the belkin routers.

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your will work fine ppolo99.

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Cheers Levig, checked the sheet and mine can take the speed and more ;)

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What exactly is a 7230v2? I am only aware of the various hardware versions: 1000,1444,2000 &c. (Mine is a v2000uk, btw) TIA

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you got your answer there already....all our version are in the *000 range so say your router is a F5D7230_v2000 then thats V2 ;) and so on

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levig
how do i find out what version my Belkin Router is its model no is 'F5D5231-4' on the bottom it says ver.1100 so i guess that it is (5231v1)

Which means I've been conned I bought a 10/100 modem thats not capable of 100 speeds

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David,

how long have you had your router....and you havent been conned mate ;) the lan ports on the router are 10/100 the wan port I cant remember what the deal is there

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at least 2 years

I cannot afford a new router

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SMC7004ABR UK
This is mine, and would be interested (as per the earlier posts), to see if this will get me the full 10MB service. I have looked at SMC website and for the user that had the model with the 'A' missing, it looked to be a completely different model in the picture (and I am sure it's not, as in total shape and design). I have discarded my original documentation so cannot confirm that just because an 'A' is missing from the model number it is a completely different router. Just hope mine works. (Cambridge)

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Hi rick, the BR and ABR Barracade models may look different but they contain the same basic core hardware, it's just that the ABR is basically a BR version 2 after tweaking and improving certain functions of the first revision.

If the manufacturer doesn't supply the relevent specifications and a google search on product reviews of the item turns up empty handed then the only option left is to actually test the device yourself.

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Her is a link for the datasheet for the SMC7004ABR V.2

http://www.smc.com/files/AW%5CDS_7004ABR_V2.pdf

The WAN port is definately 10base-T/100baseTX. and it appears to be working ok here. see below:


Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:53:10 GMT

1st 512K took 563 ms = 931240 KB/sec, approx 7673 Kbps, 7.49 Mbps
2nd 512K took 469 ms = 1117885 KB/sec, approx 9211 Kbps, 9 Mbps
3rd 512K took 453 ms = 1157369 KB/sec, approx 9537 Kbps, 9.31 Mbps
4th 512K took 437 ms = 1199744 KB/sec, approx 9598 Kbps, 9.37 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9005 Kbps, 8.79 Mbps

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3Com VPN Firewall (3CR870-95) works lovely, but then I always knew it would :)

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Sorry I never put any Model Numbers on Mine, the 7004BR (old and cannot buy any more) def has a 10mbit port which means as the max it can passis 10mbit minus the overheads, you probably get about 8mbit max. The difference in cost for a 10mbit or a 10/100mbit part to Manufacurers is V.Small indeed which is why Most are putting a 10/100 port - you will find with most OLD models that they fitted a 10mbit port as back then 10mbit internet was like unheard of - esp in UK market.

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I have been losing connection to my cable since 10Mb upgrade.
After an hour on the phone to tech support and much network tweaking this end it appears routers that cant cope with the full 10Mb speeds cause this signal loss problem

Check this thread
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=38780

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Hey guys, i purchased this router (didn't want wireless) can anyone tell me if this is able to handle 10mbit because if i open the box i can't return it...

router: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...299550-9045545

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nineham: That router will be fine with 10mb. :)

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Hey, i spoke to tech support on linksys.com and they confirmed it all be fine, i just hooked it up and it worked straight away (no need for rebooting or anything) and hey its 10mbit, woot! im v happy!

thanks bloodyL for ur response also

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Hi, Can someone explain in more detail why a 10 mb WAN port on a router can't achieve the full 10 mb from the cable network. To the ignorant (that's me) it sounds like a good match. Thanks.

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ok , not an expert, but as I understand it

- 2 factors are at play here, the notional 'speed', which is the maximum that can be sent/received by the router, and the 'duplex' setting.

- 'full duplex' can both send and receive at the same time & should achieve 'near' 10 meg

- half duplex, however, can only send or receive, but not both at the same time, so the device has to wait for the 'ack' packet to be sent/received before sending or receiving the next data packet.

This effectively halves the download speed, as many (older) routers have half duplex wan ports.

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Thanks,

Well I removed my router (Linksys BEFW11S4 V2 - w/10mb WAN) and went direct PC-Modem to achieve the following :

Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:28:54 UTC
1st 128K took 94 ms = 1394383 Bytes/sec = approx 11601 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 109 ms = 1202495 Bytes/sec = approx 10005 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 110 ms = 1191564 Bytes/sec = approx 9914 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 109 ms = 1202495 Bytes/sec = approx 10005 kbits/sec

So I'm 100% convinced that my speed issues are simply the router, not the AMBIt 120 ot NTL network issues.

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They aren't quite the same thing. While a 10 meg network port (ethernet) is sending data at 10 Mbps (max) - it is ethernet frames it is sendiing - inside these frames are the TCP/IP packets, inside these packets is the http data - all this overhead means the final actual data transfer is a fair bit less than 10 Mbps.

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I see, so you mean the NTL service is actually greater than 10mb if you include the overhead.

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My belkin router is running full 10mb.

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what belkin modle and version do you have

Version is on the bottom

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levig - are those stats definately right ? I've got a blekin F5D7231 (1000uk) and im only getting a max of 5mb via the router. If i bypass the router, i get the full 10mb

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Not sure, but according to the datasheet on the WRT54GC it should be compatible with the 10Mbps service:

Personally as the price difference between the 2 models seems to be negligible (unless someone can show otherwise) I'd rather go for the chunky blue and black WRT54G, but that's just me :D

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Ditched my old Linksys router for a nice shiney new Linksys router.

WRT54GS v1.1

Getting 1240k/sec from my news provider as I type. Cost me about 50 quid from amazon does that new fangled wireless thing too.....

Added bonus if you are a tweaker, there are lots of 3rd party firmwares with LOADS of added features for this series of routers.

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Linksys BEFSR41 V2 :( Getting about 600-700kb/s, Going to see how much a new one will cost me tomorrow

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http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.p...showpage&pid=6

All models of the WRT54G compared here....

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All models except the WRT54GC, which is what I was referring to ;)

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Norwich - ntl:home 200 via Linksys WRT54G V.2

Downstream 8977 Kbps (1,122.1 KB/sec) 9695 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 498 Kbps (62.3 KB/sec) 537 Kbps (inc. overheads)

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Does anyone know if the Linksys BEFW11S4 Ver 3.0 router can handle 10Mb?

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I have got a Linksys BEFSR41 Router and i dont see any problems in decreased speed with it. When i download files i get 1150k a second. Which works out at about 10mb.

---------- Post added at 15:42 ---------- Previous post was at 15:41 ----------

Who ever said thye dont support 10mb internet was wrong i think

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The early rev 1 routers certainly cannot.

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Hi Folks

Does anyone know if the WRT54GS will work with Mac OSX systems?

Reason i ask is all the specs i read only mention Windows systems

Thanks

Re: [Merged] Routers and 10Mb
 

Routers work with any OS, as long as the OS can deal with a network. Any configuration of them is done using standard tools (web interface or telnet).

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i got a netgear router cost 75£ if it doesnt work ill be moaning at GZ computers

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My old Benq did not work.....the max speed was ~500KB/sec

I just bought Belkin 7230-4UK Model 4000 and the speed is stable at ~1200KB/sec...My XBOX is also on the same router...

My question is this: I paid 44 pounds for this model and i can get Linksys 54GS for 49 only....so please i need your advice??? Shall I exchange it or keep the Belkin???

thnx


The other Belkin 7231-4 with max speed 125Mbit is also available at 49!!!

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What version did you get, was it v3 or v4?

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I would expect a 10 full duplex could probably only achieve to around 8-9mbit, I havent seen hardware usually able to perform to 100% of max.

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Quick question,

Whats the difference between the Linksys WRT54G and the WRT54GS?. Also which one is newer, better?

Thanks

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full review of both models is here http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.p...showpage&pid=6

Can someone answer my previous question??? I'm staying away from 231-4 since many reports suggests that it is the worst!!! Is this true??!!!

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Hello i have a Belkin 4-port cable router serial number (F5D5231-4) and i was wondering if it supports 10 meg from NTL? I have 10 meg from NTL but when i do a java speed speed test it says my speed is only 7 meg (through the Belkin router). If i connect the NTL modem directly to my pc (and not through the Belkin router) then do a speed test it says my internet speed is 9 meg. So does anyone know if this Belkin router supports up to 10 meg?

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...9&postcount=37

Hope that helps :)

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Netgear RP614 router's that support 10mb are:

version 1 - no (10Mbps half duplex only)
version 2 - yes (10/100Mbps auto-sensing)
version 3 - yes (10/100Mbps auto-sensing)

Since my speed upgrade to 10Mb, I have had to upgrade my router from a v1 to a v3.
If you were to buy one in the shops now, it will probably be a v3 (white), as they have been on the shelves for over a year now.
I find these to be very good routers, I had my v1 switched on 24/7 for nearly 3 years, and it never missed a beat.

I'm flying :D

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How can you find out the version number?

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Blue 250 Modem ........... Linksys Befw11s4 Router
Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:30:56 UTC

1st 512K took 547 ms = 936 KB/sec, approx 7713 Kbps, 7.53 Mbps
2nd 512K took 500 ms = 1024 KB/sec, approx 8438 Kbps, 8.24 Mbps
3rd 512K took 547 ms = 936 KB/sec, approx 7713 Kbps, 7.53 Mbps
4th 512K took 594 ms = 862 KB/sec, approx 7103 Kbps, 6.94 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 7742 Kbps, 7.56 Mbps
I have had it at 9.45Mbps on the new speed test so My Linksys BEFW11S4 Ver 3.0 works well ;)

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There are 3 ways to tell the version number of a Netgear RP614.

1. It's written on the box
2. It's written on the base of the router
3. v3 is white and are sold at most outlets now, whilst the others are silver. Don't think they sell v2, and certainly not v1 anymore.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Aren't u Platty that I bought the OCZ ram from on the CT forums? If so, small world mate ;)

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Does anyone have any experience with the Netgear WGR614?

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I have a Belkin F5D5231-4 Router, although my speeds are fine my connection is intermittent, I keep getting chucked offline quite a lot since being upgraded to 10mbit :-(

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Tis a small world m8 ;)

Defo not a 3. Will have to try and find the box coz there's nowt on the bottom of the router.

Seems it might be a v1. Just says RP614 on the label rather than v2 and v3 at the end like it should have for a 2 or 3.

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Sorry, meant to point out, if it's like my old one, which didn't specify a version number, then it's a v1 for sure. On the Netgear site, it's listed as "RP614 (aka RP614v1)" ;)

http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/RP614.asp

You will deffo need to replace that router if you wish to reach the full 10mb.

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This router selection problem appears to be a nightmare of incorrect assumptions.

I checked out a Linksys WRT54G Version 5 and was assured by Linksys support and two people on this forum that it would correctly handle 10Mbits.

It arrived on Friday and in the past 24 hours I have experienced nothing but frustrations which were not much helped with two 0800 calls diverted to Manilla.

It will run at 10Mbits when it feels like it but will then choke and revert to a crawl. It swings from lightning fast to no better than dial-up and IMO it depends on the server at the other end.

The auto MTU negotiation does not work. I have since found out that in the USA this has been a fairly common complaint and some people are testing a new beta firmware release which does over-come the auto negotiation problem. The auto setting does not work but there is a manual setting of MTU of choice. I have ping tested to various servers and with the do not fragment settings in place it is obvious that an auto element is required. The setting suggested by tech support was 1492 but to some USA servers that is way too high a an MSS of 1402 (1430 MTU) is about the limit.

It looks like Linksys will come out with a fix (new firmware) but for the moment I have a brand new router with a strong urge to send it either back to the supplier (no easy task as RMA's will take hours of time and weeks of messing about for no purpose) or buy another brand which actually does work.

Does anybody have a router working on 10meg which consistently does the job. By doing the job I mean always as fast as though there was no router connected at all. I have had plenty of time on direct (modem\P.C.) and the speed is awesome.

Liam

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I have a 614v2 - not got the upgrade yet, Tuesday I will have. The blurb for the 614v2 says it good for up to 200Mbps :)

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:D nice

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Sorry wrong info there....:dozey: I've got the wired RP614v2 - many apologies.

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGR614.php 54Mbps wireless router

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i have the following

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...duct_Id=186900

works like a treat