*All* ntl 10meg Discussion (part 2)
 

The first information that Cable Forum received from ntl regarding an increase to 10meg broadband can be found in this Cable Forum news article.

FAQ's in part 1 of the thread:

Will the service be capped?
yes, there will be a 75gig/ month cap on the 10meg service that current 3meg users will be upgraded to

Will I need a new modem?
It appears that ntl 120 or later modems will have no problems with the speeds, however older modems and Set Top Box connections will need to be upgraded. Ntl have not released any information on this process yet that i have seen.

When are the new speeds going to be launched?
ntl have stated "By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete."

My mate down the pub says he has already got 10meg, is he lying?
Quite possibly not, it appears that ntl are testing the 10meg service, and I have not noticed a particular pattern of who/ where is being tested.

Will the price change?
Ntl have stated that there are no plans to change monthly prices

What will the upload speed be?
Users who are testing the 10meg service at the moment have reported upload speeds that suggest it will be 512k.

What do i have to do to get 10meg?
We know ntl are upgrading 3meg customers first, but as for what to do... sit and wait for information from ntl!

Please post any further discussion of 10meg in this thread, and this thread only.

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What about the Terayon TJ210 modems I have one of these, Which I bought from NTL as I didn't want to pay a monthly charge.

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You are now paying the monthly charge though, you have lost the £5 a month modem owners discount.

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not sure about the other modems... will research and post information here as soon as i find it!

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These did work on the new trial speeds, as I have one ;)

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Are the Samsung STB's good for 10 meg speeds?

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Taken from the NTL statement which is here
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...ed-as-standard

"By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete. There are no plans to change monthly prices. However, some customers will need to upgrade their modem. Further details will be announced at launch."

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But the same press release said

think they meant blue yonder :rolleyes:

so i wouldn't take it at gospel, ntl havent posted anything about the upgrades since the original post on the 8th of august.

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Well the greater speed would be the 10Mbps and I would think the greater usage is the 75GB limit that comes with it (for the initial upgrades anyway). Our sources currently indicate that the upgrades will begin in Mid November. :)

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I've had no connection since around 7.30 this morning so thought I'm being upgraded to 10mb. When I got my connection back I did a speed test and I'm still on 3mb. Went to ntl's service page and found this

"ntl broadband customers in the , DN31, NG2, NG15, NG17, NG18, NG19, NG20, NG21. and NG31 postcode area may be experiencing an intermittant or complete loss of connection, this is due to a local fault. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience that this may cause" :(:(

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End of 2006 for upgrades? BUGGERY!!! what happened to November?!?!? :(
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have you missed Paul's comment:-

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woops, it would appear I have gone blind from all the frapping I've been doing in anticipation for playing CoD2 Multiplayer tonight - lol. :)

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Not sure if this is to do with the upgrades or not, but due to a PC and a cat related incident (dont ask) i had to rebuild my comp started to pull some files off usenet and since then my connection is unstable. It is hovering between 6 and 10 meg before settling down to 5 meg then jumping back to 10, i haver tried rebooting everything still doing it.

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Ill throw my two pence into this topic, i had a bloke from ntl round today to fix my stb, i asked when 10mb bb was out and after a long delay with a smirk on his face he said "sometime in the 1st quater of next year" !

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I think he was reffering to 1 and 2mb users.

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The first ones will be just a little bit before then ;)

(you may well see some in the next 7 days ......)

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for ntl speed upgrades does anyone have any info on the uncapped speeds on offer?

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There are no uncapped speeds available afaik, except perhaps the 512k option that the 'naughty' users are being transferred to .... ;)

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oh ok, thought id read something on teh forum here about plans for uncapped slower teirs along with the 10mbit upgrade.

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THere are to be some new plans (I imagine) so at the moment the three tiers will all be 10Mb with differing caps and then there will be another (possibly slower - 5MB?) with no cap, possibly the same price.

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I never mentioned plans, I was referring to now. :)

The new 10Mbps will have a 75GB cap for the upgraded 3mbps users, and obviously a lower cap for the 2M and 1M users when they get upgraded next year. So at the end of the day, everyone will be on 10Mbps, with differing limits based on the price you pay.

As for uncapped, that would be telling ;) , but I think you may be pleasently surprised. :D

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Boooo. Party pooper :td:

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I hope they are good uncapped services.

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damn you, tell us now. :(

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The idea of everyone on 10mb with individual usage limits (and I take it, charges to suit??), suits me down to the ground.

I have been monitoring my usage for about 6 months now with Netmeter (excellent little prog). I am using approximately 7gig a month. A charge that would reflect my moderate usage when compared to the 30gig limit is more than welcomed by me :cool:

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Do you know something we don't. hope you are right :)

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We shall see won't we ;) :angel:
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Well the new (highest) 10M service is 75GB/month. You can reasonably assume the middle tier will be more than 7GB/month, and the lowest one less - so when the new services come in, you will be able to 'move down' to a cheaper service (as indeed will I).

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I hope so lol

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Great stuff :D

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Has there been any further information from NTL on how the roll out is going.... particluarly in the South East/ London area ;)

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Will we be pleasantly surprised with the upload speed Paul M? I'm personally hoping for at least 512k or more :angel:

(I know you can't and won't divulge, but one has to ask) :p:

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it is believed that the upload will be in the region of 500k based on reports from those who's experienced temporary increases of their speed to 8meg-10meg.

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Was i smoking somthing funny.. or are the 1 and 2 meg customers getting a upgrade to keep them happy until 10 meg?

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The only indications of upload speed we have are 500K, it seems to be very hard to get any information on it, even from our 'sources'.
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i think i remember reading in these forums some time ago
that if a few 3mb user of the same UBR
or something (thats whats it called?) utilise all their upload bandwidth at the same it will slow every1 down of that same UBR
as they dont have that much upload bandwidth

around a year or 2 ago i played alot of online games
and had alot of problems
customer support did some kinda area utilisation test or something
and it was like 95% at the time

i know NTL must have done some equipment upgrades for the last 2 years
but have they done enough to sustain a good service after these upgrades??

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Time will tell. The cable channels are shared to the node, which is connected to the ubr. Apparently is 37mb on a channel, shared between 2-300 people (? how it would work in my village if everybody had taken up the service and was using it at the same time).

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It would be very very slow! lolol
but NTL can do things if your node gets saturated. (not sure what but ive heard about them doing this at some university sites! )

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Well the question is, some of us have saturation now, and ntl also have saturated peering points. These still remain so why do you think ntl will sort these out after 10mbit is rolled out if they wont now. Seems to be the general perception that a max "possible" speed of 10mbit is preffered to a stable lower max speed.

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It will be a problem if everyone wants their 75gig all on the same day. ;)
Personally i would settle for a steady lower speed, say 5meg, and not have to monitor what everyones downloading. :(

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I phoned Tech Support today about something to do with my router and I asked the question about 10mbit.

Some guy just told me that he was given information today that 10mbit will be available from tomorrow, hope he is right! :)

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As we now seem to be moving away from paying for speed to paying for volume of data, will NTL be charging if we go over the limit and, if so, will we be able to "bank" any unused volume?

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@Simcut ;

According to our 'sources' the rollout of the 10Mbps will commence on Nov 8th, so yes, I believe he is right. :D

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Rollover bandwidth, cool idea, bit like Orange (and I'm sure others do) with minutes, you have the next billing period to use the excess bandwidth or it is lost forever.
Additionally, will Broadband Plus usage be counted? Seems a bit tight to charge for high bandwidth content and charge again if you use the service? It is a point that has been raised a number of times, but so far answers have not appeared.

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sweet, roll on tomorrow !!!!!!!!!!! :D

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your all lucky lucky people.

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From what I can see charging will be based on a mix of speed and usage.

Now this is all speculation on my part but maybe there will be bands for megadownloaders who want lots but not as bothered with speed, home server runners who want to run a server on home service so don't need service guarentees or bandwidth of business but want a balance between up and download speeds, mail users who don't do much at all so get a small cap on a lower speed but no limit on email (SMTP/POP).

Again please note that this is pure speculation by me, no promises or otherwise to be implied whatever. This is NOT official in any way.

Can't see a bank working. What ideally we want is to prevent contention so we don't want users banking up usage over a hot, sunny summer then all trying to use it up at the same time in the winter. Again this is not official, I have no idea what is planned in that level of detail.

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i hope by tomorrow they mean 12am tonight :P

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Does that mean tomorrow, or over the next few weeks I will be able to upgrade from 2mb to 10mb online ? Or should I upgrade today and let it happen automatically ?

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Thats the kind of news I've been looking forward to hearing. If it does happen tomorrow, this is where all the moaners/complainers come out of the woodwork.

:beer:

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Do I have to do anything (like restart my modem) or will it be automatic?

ta

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They usually say it'll be automatic, but i've found that i've had to restart my modem for every upgrade so far.

Also, don't get your hopes up, those on 1mb and 2mb, the word was that you lot won't be upgraded until at least the new year. 3mb users are first. :D

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yeah, just unplug your modem tomorrow evening or day and plug it back in.... :)

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where r the roll outs being held i mean what cities? the ones mentioned in service status ?

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Oh thats just bloody great, more speed thats all we need.:D

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yeah, I'm looking forward to the speed decrease; can't wait to get back on 28k!!! do you think they'll have a bandwidth limit of 50MB hehe

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Roll on tomorrow then, my letter on my BB usage said i would be one of the 1st to get it when available

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Great news :D

Spoke to a mate last night on Telewest, just been upgraded to 10mb with 384kb upload. Hoping NTL will go one better on the upload side ;)

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telewest's upload speed is like 45Kb/s lets hope NTL's about 100Kb/s

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just looked looks like mine is on the Thursday 10th of November

with

being on the 8th

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Does it say anything about manchester?

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yes, come on tell us when manchester will be upgraded, im so excited i could erm....

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Is this the initial apply to 3Mb customers only upgrade?

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Yep I think so....

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:rolleyes:

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That doesnt mention manchester :(

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It doesn't mention Cheshire either! :(

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Dont take anything at face value ;)

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:monkey:

Ebuyer better shift their arses, re my new Wireless G router, my BEFW11S4 craps out at ~4mb down.

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Does that mean manchester will be upgraded aswell? lol

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well i wait in egar antisipation of my future inability to use my 1meg connection at all as all the lucky 3 meg crew get to destroy my locals ubrs avaliable b/w and btw does any one know if ntl prioritise higher teir customers over lower tier's bandwidth wise at ubr and also how much b/w is avaliable at ubr level (ubr to data centre) pm me that stop this chan going off topic if you so wish

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Nice that they list Peterborough, we rarely get a mention on the service status page.

I wonder how long till us 1/2mbit customers see some kind of upgrade (crosses fingers)

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I think I may ring up tommorrow and ask, good job I am off college tomorrow.

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Service upgrades will result in a loss of service in the Swansea, Bromley, Luton, Guildford, Peterborough, Hersham, Colchester, Watford, Ashford, Brent and surrounding areas.


Does this mean Brent in London? i live in NW9 ex-c/w and finally got activated so does this mean if i order 3mb i too will be upgraded to 10mb

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i whouldent hold my breath but atleast there are some optomists amongst us

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Hmm, Guildford tonight eh... fun, fun, fun!

I just hope my poor old 3com CMX can cope with it all.

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the list on post 66 has cambridge upgraded on serveral dates which is correct?? I'm in CM20

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at least if it doesent you get a nice shiny new one

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There are alot of places that arent mentioned on the service update page, although i suppose maintence doesnt have to happen on every area that gets upgraded. There is no mention of Stoke on Trent where I live, just hope the 10mb comes here aswell this week.

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NTL service status Said Brent does that mean London NW9?

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I'm on 3MB and in Bromley! Does this mean I can expect 10MB sometime between midnight and 6am? :O

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Renfrew = Glasgow = friday (boo urns)

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in every optimisation network they do there is loss of service in Leicester ... does this mean they r gona get upgraded 1st ? or last ? lol

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please can anyone tell me will my Ambit Cable Modem that says ntl:home 100 model No 60194e-a12 will do 10meg.


many thanks

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I think people are reading too much into the service status page, those are regular weekly updates and not really anything to do with the 10M upgrades. These are unlikely to be automatic, at least to start with.

If you think back to the 3M upgrades, it was initially for new customers only, although you could also request a manual upgrade. I would expect a similar pattern again. Anyone who thinks there will be a wholesale upgrade to 10Mbps overnight, or even over 2/3 nights is almost certainly going to be disappointed.

We currently expect it to be available from the 8th, but that does not mean everyone on 3Mbps will be running 10Mbps by the 9th (or even 10th) that simply will not happen. It will almost certainly be a gradual process over the next few weeks.

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Any chance of a hint as to the suprise :)

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I hope no one minds me asking, but does anyone know if the 3com Tailfin modem will work with the 10mb speed upgrade?

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posibly not acording to http://www.chetnet.co.uk/portal/foru...ead.php?t=6098 :(

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thanks, that doesn't look hopefull as from what i can tell the tailfin only has a 10mbit ethernet connection on the user side :(

I might have to try and get an upgraded modem from NTL sometime (we bought the current one back in 2000/2001 before they rented them).

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What is going to happen with the upgrades then? will it be area by area like with the telewest upgrades?

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most likely or when people request it manuly if its anything like last time

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Paul

as u said we would be pleasently surprised with the uncapped service
i assume u know the what kinda uncapped service thats gonna be available

any info about it u can give to us??
is there gonna be only 1 speed to choose from??
faster then 3mb??
price??
with ADSL ISP rolling out all these high speed uncapped service
NTL needs to do something to stay competitive

not trying to get this topic into a cap/uncapped topic
just wanna know what broadband services will NTL be offering after the 10mb upgrades

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I hope they release an official statement soon instead of leaving all of us to gossip amoung ourselves lol

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paul is bound by his employer he cant say any thing
and why whould ntl release a statment when not releasing one creates this kind of hype

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Because they have customers who would like to know what is happening. :dunce:

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fair comment

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Go onto NTl's home page it tells you on there under the maintenance tab.

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sorry to be daft but what do you mean by the maintanece page

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