Neo-Nazi Teenagers
 

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...453551,00.html

:mad: Shocking. Obviously too young to know right from wrong.

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Defo brainwashed by their family

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Would you adam and eve it! :erm:

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I cannot believe anyone would in all seriousness think those tee-shirts were a good idea. Quite aside from the holocaust, Hitler and his ilk goose-stepped across Europe and subjugated millions of *white* people.

How unbelieveably ignorant.

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I don't think they are too young to know better. Their age shouldn't be an excuse, but like most others, I think they were brainwashed by their parents. It happens here, of course, and is why we still have racism, and will continue to have racism for another 100 years.

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Whilst I completely disagree with a lot of this kind of white supremacist claptrap the girls are quoted as saying: "We are proud of being white. We want our people to stay white we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
............if you were to replace the word 'white' with 'black' then no-one would pass comment :rolleyes:

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I have seen these before, they were on a Weird Weekend with Louis Theroux. I'd agree that the mum had quite a lot to do with it, and the father never made an appearance, I believe due to the act it wouldn't go down well with work...

I was hoping by now they'd have got their own opinions, but this seems not to have been the case

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That's true, but I don't think many Black people would wear a 'smiley Hitler' t-shirt. Mind you, is it just me, or are these two possibly the most Aryan girls in the world :confused:

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The thing is, is that it's not just about preserving race, and more about getting rid of others...

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You're right, but I don't think anyone's passing comment on that quote in isolation. I think the hitler tee shirts, the nazi salutes and the ode to Rudolf Hess might have something to do with it.

Anyone who is in any doubt about the pedigree of this stuff should check out their record label's website. Only click this link if you don't mind viewing extremist, racist material on your PC:

http://www.resistance.com/catalog/pr...oducts_id=1373

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As an aside, I have noticed the picture of them in Sky News and The Sun online, is different from the picture in The Sun newspaper. Its been flipped horizontally. :shrug:

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Rules of good page design say you should avoid pictures of people facing out of the page, always inwards towards the centre fold where possible. Some picture editors take this so seriously they will happily flip photos to make them fit this rule. ;)

Presumably the Sun has printed it on a right-hand page?

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Yup, you're right, its on the right hand page. Thanx for telling me, its fascinating. Seems a bit extreme to me though. I didn't really give it any thought when I saw the picture first (in the paper)

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@ all replying to my post above.....I completely agree with you :tu:
('specially the hitler t-shirts :rolleyes: )

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The skynews one is correct in the sense that Hilter's fringe hangs to his left. ;)

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Well, it could hang either way now bearing in mind he's been dead for 60 years :disturbd:

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Particularly if you consider that hair continues to grow after a person has died :erm:

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I think they cremated him, didn't they - to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

Anyway, back on the grizzly topic please folks. :erm:

Anyone care to suggest how this kind of philosophy (if that's not giving it too much credibility) can flourish in a supposedly modern, enlightened society?

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Well, for a start we have an ex-Klan leader as a Presidential candidate! Ignoring the fact that it is highly unlikely he would make any sort of progress in an actual election, it's scary that such a figure can raise the funds etc required to get to that sort of position.

Unfortunately, in a country as multi-cultural as America, there are bound to be areas where racial tension (for want of a better phrase) simmers closer to the surface than others - what's bizarre is that, even amidst the claims of brainwashing, how can these girls think that what they are singing is right? Chanting 'Sieg Heil' during performances is one of those things that should no longer happen, not because it is forbidden by law, but because nobody in their right mind would choose to do it.

Personally, I feel that in the 'civilised world', these sort of things happen because Freedom of Speech is almost the be all and end all. Apparently, this is one of the occasions when it can come back and kick you right up the @rse :(

EDIT: Not that I disagree with Freedom of Speech, you understand. Fundamental human right and all that :)

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I think its down to ignorance and bad learning.Often this kinda behaviour is bred into people from there parents.Circumstance can also play quite a role,often its spoken about illegal immigrants and immigration, lets face it a lot of people are sick of seeing how easy some of these people have it in this country,claiming benefits getting housed and this kinda thing can breed anger.Of course being angry about this is a far cry from this degree of racism.
Another thing to think about is the fact that we in this country only 100 years ago were very nationalist as it were 1000's of men signing up to fight for king and country is similar in the extent of it being Nationalist.Imo nazism is the furthest right of this you can get .
Also its not just white who I spose you can call Nazi look at Uganda and whats happened there.Could there really be a coloured Hitler ???

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Slightly OT, I remember reading an interview with a musician who was somewhat obsessed with powerful imagery. He used to wear a badge of a Cross, a star of David, a Swastika and Hammer and Sickle on his coat. Upon entry into the US he was asked to remove the Hammer and Sickle...
:dozey:

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In the ruins of Coventry cathederal there is a sarcophogus(spelling) of one of the early priest or whatever.Depicted on his garb are 2 Swastikas these of course are not nazi originally

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

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Idi Amin was most unpleasant to people of Indian origin, and Mugabe is arguably engaged in a racist vendetta against whites. I do not think racism is the preserve of white people.

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Well, the Nazis misappropriated the Swastika in the first place - if I remember rightly, the 'real' Swastika faces the other way?

ANyway, to reply to your original post zingle, I feel that there is a difference between 'bog standard' nationalism and far-right politics. If you take the definition of nationalism as being 'the desire for political independence for your country', this is obviously somewhat different from 'the desire to create the master race and annex Poland (to take it to the nth degree).

What confuses me is that these girls know that they live in a multi-ciltural world (which, IMO, is better because of it), but can still spout this nonsense. Crazy really.

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Ask the BNP if they argee thats whats Nationlist means or the National front for that matter ;)
Your right of course by definition :)
And the girls well its there way of being different isnt it,they want to stand out typical although rather extreme behaviour.And of course very very poor breeding (they wouldnt like that would they ;))

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Hmm!

It's got them noticed though... :rolleyes:

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Swastikas can face both ways. Incidentally, the German for swastika is 'Hakenkreuz' - the word itself is Sanskrit. The Finnish air force had it mirror-imaged from the Germans.

Silly girls. A bit of rebellion against the parents wouldn't go amiss - I bet they end up as left-wing radical feminists once they've seen a bit of the world. Lucky Americans travel so much, eh...hang on...

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Its not flourishing, despite what people say. There is a general consistent undercurrent of racism, in any country, where it is a cycle of the parents indoctrinating their children with their viewpoints, which leads to the children themselves doing it again to their children. Even if the parents aren't actively indoctrinating their children with these views, having children at an impressionable age hanging around parents with racist views can make the children racist too. Not always, but mostly. This closed cycle means the amount of racism tends to remain steady, or decrease pretty slowly. Its always there, in the background, it just makes itsself heard more loudly sometimes.

There isn't much you can do about it. I've said it before, you can't legistlate human opinion. You can't force people to think differently, you'll only make it worse that way. The best you can do is to protect the victims (non-christians, be they non-white or white), whilst trying to encourage (not dictate) other religions, races and communities to interact together and see each other more equally.

Only because they are 13 year old girls. Neo-nazist aren't that uncommon, but for girls it is, especially at that age.

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Actually, the best you can do is provide proper state education which encourage people to think individually as adults and broadens their horizons (history, languages and the like). Note this doesn't mean political indoctrination or parent power, it means proper well funded teachers and long-term stability in a school system. What we're moving towards now is little short of training, which isn't the same thing as education at all.

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The best thing to do is not give people like the sapce on the websites or newspapers

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I don't know - well placed ridicule seems to be in order. Racism and white supremacy contains so many inherently funny contradictions that it's worth pointing them out.

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Only in America!

I'm sure many countries still have racial problems but in America these Neo-Nazi's usually get permits to march in major cities. The cities don't want them there but they are unable to stop it if they get the proper permits. Not sure how these girls are coping with other school ages kids but I would think it must be rough. we still have racism in America but usually nothing major. Their parents should be deported back to Germany if they feel this much about the idea of a true Aryan race. America is the melting pot of all races and religions and I for one think it's great and welcome all who can come legally.

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I think they would...

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I don't

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I think they would to

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Ok...................."We are proud of being black. We want our people to stay black we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."


....I personally don't see anything wrong with that statement :)

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Honestly Ramrod, do you not? Or am I being dense?

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Maybe the middle bit is a bit racy, but the fact of being proud and preserving the race is fine and does not come across as racist.

There is sometimes a fine line between racism and being proud of your nationality.

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The muddle bit is what gets me. It's like a direct attack on multiculturalism and mixed-race relations.

Plus overt pride in your race can often be on a slippery slope to nationalism, and facism.

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I honestly don't...........and I don't know if you are being dense untill you explain your reasons for seeing something wrong with it :D
In spite of my father having been in the Waffen SS I am not a Nazi or a white supremacist. In fact I believe that the sooner everyone intermarries the better......It's just that, as SBH said above, I don't see anything actually wrong with wanting to preserve your race.

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Ummmâ₠¬Ã‚¦ That's a photoshop job. Here's the original:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2005/10/4.jpg

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Me neither. It's the bigging up of HItlers actions and what the record label they're signed to stands for that I object to....:erm:

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Oh, I'm sure that they have a lot to say about mixed race relations...........as for multiculturalism-thats an artificial construct being foisted on us (without our approval or consent) that isn't exactly working here.

Anything can be taken too far......doesn't mean it will be.

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:rofl: :rofl: Good one!

I do wonder what colour these people think Jesus was....

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Oh god yes, they are of course a pair of misguided nutcases :disturbd:

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But in this case it has been.

If you want to preserve your race in the context these girls do, that means not mixing together different nationalities and cultures and not 'cross-breeding' as it were. This is what I disagree with.

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What I want to know is, if they're the master race - why is she wearing braces????

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Agreed

Well if they don't want to mix I don't see why anyone should force them to....That comes under seeing nothing wrong with preserving racial (and genetic) purity.

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Just because she's part of the master race, doesn't mean that she isn't a snaggletooth!

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'cos their not the master race, they just think they are :rofl:

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Nor do I but the problem is if you have a city with a population of 250 000, not everyone is going to think the same way. Therefore you cannot cater for all of the people who do not want to mix.
They do not have to indulge in mixed races relationships themselves, but it is when they revolt against others doing so that it becomes an issue.

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But if you 'cater' for those who do then you should 'cater' for those who don't.....

Are they 'revolting' against it? I thought they were merely spouting cr*p.

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Well, I think it's pretty revolting ...

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I was waiting for that one! :D

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I wasn't going to let that one get away :p:

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How could you do that? Ask around, say in an American city, are you willing to allow Nigerians into your city? How can you then cater for those who say no? The only way would be to separate the city into those that do and those that don't and just imagine the nightmare that would be...

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Sorry, I thought we were talking about intermarrying.....not simply living side by side.

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Would people also object to Stalin or USSR T-Shirts?

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A little bit off topic but - someone told me the other day that the NRA (National Rifle Association) was founded two years after the KKK ended, he seemed to think the two were closely interlinked.

Anyone know anything about that.

(btw - are they allowed to sing stuff like that? I know America has freedom of speech, but could it be classed as incitement?)

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I formed an opinion a while ago I wonder if thats interlinked ;)

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As with everything else he puts in, it is heavily distorted.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

But of course, the NRA is just an extension of the KKK isn't it... Hmmm. The NRA has many black members, including James Earl Jones. So basically, no the NRA isn't racist, and it has nothing in common, in relation, or at all to do with the KKK.

Good question. I don't think they do have laws like incitement. The first amendment (which defines that laws against free speech are unconstitutional, and therefore illegal), is taken very seriously by many Americans, which formed the basis of the birth of their country from British rule/oppression. Pity Michael Moore doesn't.
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Oh, and if you want something a bit more current: Until 2003, Charlton Heston was president of the NRA. He was a personal friend of Dr Martin Luther King, no less, and campaigned with him during the Black civil right's struggle in the 1960s. But according to Michael Moore he is actually a fanatical racist. Hmmm.

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Because we find it distastefull does not make it wrong.

But I'm not saying its right either.

We have to accept that not everyone is a left wing, love everybody kind of person.
These two kids are american, they have probably had a fairly sheltered life, spared from reality by the american media.
But its America and their first amendment is the freedom of speach.

Its not like we havent been guilty of terrible and horrific incidents.
We celebrated trafalgar day not long ago, a day where all englishmen could be proud. Proud of what, slaughter?
Lets also not forget that it was inaction by the then gov in the UK that allowed Hitler to move into a position where he could wage war on all of Europe.

I'm proud to be English, I am proud to be white, I dont stop myself tyelling jokes that may be racist, sexist, ageist. But that does NOT make me prejudiced against those people.
If I wanted to walk about saluting and shouting Seig heil and wearing a pretty ludicrous t-shirt that was a smiley with a hitler tache I'm damned sure I wouldnt be taken seriously either.
Live and let live is all I say.

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No but there isn't the stigma attached to Hitler as Stalin - disregarding the many he killed, the forgotten deaths. Most people would just see it more as a sign of communism then that individual.

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Sad that I have to wake a 10 year old dead thread but hey its not all bad. Liverpool came out in force to battle these Neo-Nazis

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So using violence to deny someone their right to free speech is acceptable?

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I don't condone violence no but would there be any need for violence if these ISIS inspired types got barred to begin with?

http://www.vice.com/read/english-neo...is-weekend-943

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you want to ban freedom of speech/ expression ?

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No of course not. Extremism can always be countered in better ways.

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Plus some of the mobile phone videos were rather unpleasant especially some of the comments aimed at the police who were only doing their duty of keeping order.Completely uncalled for.

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Perfectly acceptable if they are "white" nazi's.

Totally unacceptable if they are Islamic nazi's.