Possibility of eventual parole for multiple killer?
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/4354798.stm

Well, so far there is just going to be an appeal; but I read this and thought back to the reports of the crime. It was truly horrific, and IMO the guy should really be locked up without any thought of parole, ever. Hopefully that will be the case.

Life imprisonment should mean exactly that - life. The judge at the time said as much, and it amazes me that there should be any decision at such an early stage on whether he should be eligible for parole in the future.

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Hobson's solicitor has said there is no guarantee that a judge would grant permission for the appeal to proceed.

I hope the above is correct.

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That's because there isn't such a decision, if you read it correctly. It's at what time in the future he'll be *considered* for parole, there's no guarantee that he'll get parole in, say, 35 years if the judge decides to change the trial judge's whole life decision to 35 years. It's quite possible they'd look at him and go 'Nope, you're staying inside'.

If the appeal judge upholds the whole life sentence, then that's what he'll get. Incidentally, he pleaded guilty to the crimes.

The sentence should be whatever the judge deems appropriate. In this case, it was a whole life sentence. Perhaps rebranding is necessary here.

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Possibly that would help. Maybe I was not clear in the OP though - I am amazed that the possibility of a future parole appeal can even be broached so soon after the original sentencing.

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I am of the opinion that a life for a life should now mean A life for a life sentence without chance of parole.

As there is no death sentence anymore then life should mean life in jail. Not the 15 or so years it is now.

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As I think I've pointed out before, it's not '15 or so years', it's an average of 15 years before parole is considered, not before parole is granted.

Setting full life for all murderers is too inflexible - some murderers are worse than others (Bieber and Hobson, for instance, both of whom got whole of life sentences). Even the US recognises this, with first, second and third degree homicides*. I'd say a multiple killer or someone who shoots a wounded policeman in the head at point-blank range was worse than a woman who bludgeons an abusive husband to death, personally.

The rules are that the judge sets a minimum term to serve before parole can be considered. Hence the time at which parole is considered is an inevitable part of the sentencing process.

* Here, first degree is roughly equivalent to murder, second and third degree to manslaughter, with some crossover. The bludgeoning woman is second degree, the police killer is first degree, since it was premeditated, if only for a few seconds.

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A wife has suffered years of abuse at the hands of her husband. Finally she snaps and stabs him with a kitchen knife.

She has taken a life and is now a murderer.

Does she deserve to spend the rest of her life in jail?

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I agree, I am with you on this one Bill.
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Yes, because she has taken a life.

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So the fact that there are major extenuating circumstances doesn't make the slightest difference?

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In my opinion, no.

Everyone has options, an option to walk away wether that be covertly or not for example.

To just snap and stab some one after *years* of abuse is just not on and is inexcusable, i mean its not like they did not have advance warning after *years* of abuse?

*I know its not quite the same*, but if you are watching some thing on TV you don't like, you change the channel dont you?

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Hang on...this threads going t*ts up! It started out about whether a multiple murdering ******* should spend his life in jail and now it's about wheather a battered wife should spend her life in jail........hardly the same type of crime. I'm looking at you, Graham.....not fair!-Stick to the original topic (or at least the spirit of the original topic)! :nono:
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Wait until you are in the postition of years of abuse of all kinds before you say whether she should be sentenced to life imprisonment!
I would sincerely hope you are never in that postition though.

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Me neither Chim, all I am saying is that people who are / have been in similar situations have the option to leave that situation by walking away...

But as Ramrod has pointed out this is going O/T....

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Simple answer

YES

That is my opinion and i am entitled to it.You might not agree with it. Murder is murder which ever way you want to rap it up or make excuses to reduce the sentence of the criminal. Read my other posts about how the victim can be made into the criminal by some members of this society. This then allows the criminal to get off with a much lighter sentence. Then the victim is turned into the criminal.

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Sorry, I'm old fashioned. I believe that if a man subjects a woman to prolonged, recurrent physical abuse then he deserves whatever he gets in return from her.
If that means that she happens to kill him when she finally snaps then tough luck m8.

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But if its prolonged why stay there ? I dont get it. I would be out of there in a shot :shocked:

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That's not always possible - if you have dependent children and no way of providing for them, if the man in question has physically and mentally abused the woman to the point where she has no self esteem whatsoever and is terrified to do anything without his approval - it's really not that easy to walk away.

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I know, I know, so would I, but it doesn't work like that for women (and some men, as Russ would point out-though not from personal experience!).

Many women seem to be programmed to 'stick by' their man......the feel they 'can change him'.......'he's not really like that'......'he won't do it again' :(

They are always wrong but only the lucky ones get out at the beginning. I've seen it. It's mystifying but it happens time and time again and it breaks my heart every time. There are a lot of men who need a good hard talking to with a baseball bat re. what they do to their women :afire:
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I see :Yikes:

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Tuftus, I really suggest you do some research into the realities of domestic abuse. It is very often *nowhere near* as simple as just "walking away".
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But part of the original post was "Life imprisonment should mean exactly that - life." and then this was raised again, so I wanted to point out the fallacy in that reasoning.

Hah! Ramrod finds he's inadvertantly joined the pinko left-wing bleeding-heart liberal brigade...! ;)
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Yes, it is and yes you are.

You're right, I don't.

Extenuating circumstances are *not* the same as "excuses".

At this point you appear to be wanting to have your cake and eat it.

Either people are responsible for their own actions (eg the battered woman murdering her husband) and she thus should get everything she deserves (life, no parole), or she, *as the victim*, is being "turning into the criminal" because of the abuse she has suffered.

You can't have it both ways.

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As I pointed out when I kicked over this particular hornet's nest, murder is not murder, *even in the tough on crime USA*, where they feel the need to have three degrees of it, because the system recognises that there are differing levels 'badness' even in murder. Here we have two, manslaughter and murder. Pretending that there's only one and everyone should get life for it is just simplistic, populist nonsense.

Thoroughly agree with Ramrod's sentiments about domestic abuse, it's atrocious.

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However the type of case you used to illustrate your argument should never be judged as straightforward murder........in this case the law is and has been wrong.


lol....andyl made the same comment but there is nothing inadvertant about where my stance is :D

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Hey! Don't drag me into this you placard waving, PC promoting, Trotskyist, SWP touting red under all our beds! :D

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This is not an excuse, she has/had options - she could leave, she could get him done for assault, there are load of help groups for women that have come out of abusive relationships.

The "I'm a battered wife" defence seems to be coming more and prelavent and even more scarily acceptable

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With respect, tell that to Bill C! :)
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As I said in a previous post, matters of domestic are rarely as simple as this.

It's better than domestic violence effectively being treated as acceptable or even a "husband's right" or it being "the woman's fault" as has happened in the past.

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Support groups for women are all well and good, but they don't stop anyone getting a good hiding or worse!
I wonder how many women would get their husbands prosecuted for assault when they have to live under the same roof?
Yes I know women can leave home, go to the police, contact support groups, and any number of other options - it's a lot easier in the clear light of day. Try rational thinking when you are in fear for your life, every minute of every day - it's not so easy then.