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If Saddam Hussein is convicted in a trial which begins on Wednesday, he could face death within 30 days of a final judgement - meaning other serious charges against the former ruler could be shelved.
Many Iraqis feel a man responsible for so much suffering should face the ultimate punishment, and quickly. But others fear a sentence that smacks of summary justice could seriously undermine the new authorities' stated commitment to justice and the rule of law.......

http://212.58.226.30/1/hi/world/middle_east/4349406.stm

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No - I don't agree with making him a martyr.

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I would say execute him, but only if it's a long, slow, painful death. Many may say that makes me an animal, "no better than him" etc etc. I say "So what?"

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No lets spend another fortune dragging him through the courts again :erm:

Thats a yes btw

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Ultimately I cannot condone the taking of life. Let him rot in jail so he has many years to come thinking over his deeds.

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I'm with Russ on this one - I personally believe that he will suffer more by being imprisoned.

The fact that he is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands does not justify taking his life - if he is jailed for the rest of his life, it will give him time to reflect on his crimes, and will not give him the 'satisfaction' of a quick release.

EDIT: And I apparently agree with Rob as well :)

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Also, for a man with such an ego and opinion of himself, being banged up somewhere nice and remote (St. Helena was suggested) makes a good example.

As a coward and a bully, having his execution no doubt televised round the world will make him look other than what he is, which isn't what the point of the exercise should be, which is that no matter how high and mighty you are, justice will come after you and you will be exposed for what you are.

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What has anyone got to gain from him being executed? (Other than some kind of perverse gratification for the slightly more backward members of this forum)

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Execution would only lower the new regime to his level.

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Perhaps referring to those whose views differ from your own as 'backward' is not the best way to get your point across.

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Who said I had a point? I was merely stating the obvious and asking a question.

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Obvious? Perhaps only to someone whose own view is rather limited, thus suggesting the allegation of backwardness to be somewhat mis-directed.

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If he's not executed, and only then after a lawfull trial, under international observation, the iraqi people face the prospect of him being freed forcibly from whatever jail holds him, and then what?

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Let's see... one could argue that it will cost far to much to keep him imprisoned; obviously there is the risk that some ludicrous "human rights" people manage to get him freed at some stage; oh, and he could always escape/be liberated (it has happened); but of course, only backward people could possibly be concerned about such things.

Actually, I have changed my mind. I would not like to see capital punishment in this case. I would like to see corporal punishment. Lots of sever public beatings, with no treatment afterwards for his injuries. Not even from backward people.

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Execute.

Cheapest option.


Perhaps the money saved by not guarding him 24 hours a day and feeding him can be sent to help the poor, that should go someway to help the conscience of the liberals.

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As has been said, there is absolutely nothing to gain from his execution, it will not bring back any lives, or right any wrongs.

Nor will public beatings.

For anyone completely for his killing; would you kill him yourself?

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Perhaps some of the money saved if we'd listened to the 'liberals' and not invaded Iraq could be used to educate people about justice? With a lot left over to provide, say, proper disaster relief in Kashmir (we're short on military capability because a lot of it is in Basra). Traditional conservative values, waste a vast amount of money then throw mud at any liberal who suggests spending a tiny fraction of that on a policy that actually improves the world. Reprehensible argument, Kevin.

Anyway, surely enough of Saddam's own cash was found around the country post-invasion - I can't think of a better use for a small amount of it than on some stout iron bars on an island somewhere, and 20 years supply of porridge. Would cost less than a cruise missile*, with the added benefit of not blowing up any women and children.

*$750,000 to you guv, with number plates and a tank of fuel. A box of Scotts Porage Oats is $7.75 for 2.2lb (35 oz) on a website in the US, so that includes shipping. 3 helpings a day at 1.5 oz per helping. That's 4.5 oz per day, so a box will do us for 23 days. 16 boxes a year, allowing for spillage, so the food costs are $124/year/ If he lives 20 years (he's 67), that's a bargain at $2480. We can ameliorate the costs of guards over several international criminals, Mugabe, Milosevic, Putin, Bush, Blair. Hell, there's enough porridge for Osama there as well. Jobs a good'un.

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So you'd have someone killed for financial reasons? I'd hate to be that girl from Zimbabwe who asked you for a lend ...

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lend?

lend means pay back not a free handout.

She was from Nigeria to keep things accurate, and has already had a few hundred off this "uncaring" "unsympathetic" "mean" " self centred" person! :rolleyes:

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:tu: :tu:

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Yes. Happily.

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Many years more than the women and children he gas and killed.
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Prison

...as long as they don't let him out on day release to buy a lottery ticket!

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Hmmm, those bloodthirsty among you might want to consider the impact of an execution on the security situation. You want to create a martyr to Islamic fundamentalism?

Those who wish to see as painful an execution as possible should perhaps think of the implications, again on security. And be ashamed of posting such distasteful nonsense. Yes Saddam was barbaric, genocidal killer - but resorting to such base bloodlust would do nobody any favours.

We are, remember, supposed to be a civilised society, one measure of which is how we try and sentence criminals.

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If he is put to death it would be seen by all the other dictators ,They need to see that the world will not tolerate ethnic cleansing.

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Yep, fully agree. It's called setting an example. Let the other dictators know that fire will be fought with fire.

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Why oh why can't these people stay on-topic? Why does every thread become a lecture in do-gooding self-righteousness? It's quite simple: OP says "Would you like to see Saddam executed?" What it should add is "God help those that dare to have an opinion contrary to those who consider themselves above the rest of us".

Yet again, I stress that I would like to see Saddam suffer. Call me what you like, but I have an opinion and I am entitled to express it. Now you can say what you like, but try not to sit on a cushion, as it muffles your voice.

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At the end of the day it is a decision for the Iraqi courts.What we want or desire is and should be immaterial to the decision taken by them.

Whatever the decision we and the rest of the world MUST respect it or there will be no chance for Iraq to be in charge of it's own destiny.If we interfere then what chances of Iraqi independence? :erm:

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I voted no, for the simple reason he should live and remember what he has done, death is instant and painless.

Please dont quote me as i wont reply. ;)

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Actually, I think this should be a matter for the International Court.

(PS. What were you saying about spelling earlier? :D )

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At least I got the right word in the right place...

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I'm unconvinced on the death penalty generally, however... I think its important that the Iraqis are the ones who are responsible for Saddam, so if they want him executed, if that's the way, then so be it. If the Iraqis don't want him executed, then so be it.

People say the coalition are still infringing on the Iraqis and then dictating them what to do. What kind of message does it send out if they can't even punish criminals how they want to? They wanted democracy, they have got it. They wanted Saddam out of power, they got it. Now it is up to them to rule their lives as they see fit.

If anyone does deserve the death penalty, Saddam does. People are executed for single and double murders. It is alleged that he has killed 100,000s.

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But you know if that happens, and he is found guilty on all charges, he'll get an ASBO or tag or something.

Even if they do exact a just punishment, it still undermines the whole reason for the war in Iraq (no, not oil) it is to put Iraqis back in control of their country.

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Hello! I think this could be an interesting discussion if folk could avoid getting involved in pointless point scoring.If you don't like what someone has to say use either the ignore button or report a posting.Let the rest of us try to have an adult conversation please..

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Well said :tu:

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As I have tried to say in several posts now...

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You might as well say why bother trying him then :rolleyes:

What has been gained ? to quote "it will not bring back any lives, or right any wrongs".

Yes.

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Very true. I guess there is always an issue over what benchmark they will use for sentencing though? If he gets life imprisonment, does that put him in the same category as someone who has killed three people for example? And on the flipside, anyone who is jailed for life for a lesser crime (and I can't think of a crime that wouldn't count as "lesser") would probably feel indignant at getting the same treatment as Saddam, in such an instance.

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I'm undecided. He certainly deserves to die (and yes, I would pull the trigger) but I agree that there should be no chance of him becoming a martyr.
Prison would be a better punishment (no parole-ever) but I'm not happy about the cost of keeping a genocidal murderer comfortable for the rest of his life. I suspect that the people of Iraq will not sleep well untill he is actually dead.....

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Sorry if my opinion offends.... but....

I say let him have it, it may serve as an example to other ruthless dictator wannabes in the making.

Besides, the cost of a bullet / length of rope would be far cheaper than an extended prison stretch and the associated costs of such a stretch.

Besides, it's all he deserves IMO.

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Perhaps saddam is not the only one who should be on trial:

http://www.parstimes.com/news/archiv...ming_iraq.html
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So if I get drunk and kill someone driving then Peugeot and Carling should get punished too?

I guess you are saying Rumsfeld (and the Regan administration) should be punished. Does that mean we can punish Chirac then?

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?Stor...8-013312-3195r

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1167592004

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The latter is not on the same plain as the atrocities purported to have been done at the orders of Sadamm Hussein.What a cheap shot at our troops.

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I wish I could rep you fifty times for that. Once will have to do though :)

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Same here.

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Ditto. :)

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I am in no way diluting Saddam's atrocities, but merely suggesting that 1. Saddam didn't act in a vacuum. Turning a blind eye or providing the means are surely serious concerns, and 2. he's not the only leader with innocent blood on his hands.

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I'm of mixed opinion here. Saddam inflicted untold misery on his own countrymen and people in other ountries too. There are still factions in the country that continue to fight, and will do so regardless of whether he is executed or now.

Execution would give closure to the whole matter and removes grounds for terrorist action to free him. However, imprisonment would mean that he would be punished more - he would actually receive a long drawn-out punishment for his crimes.

I think whatever punishment is given, the myth of Saddam Hussain "the great leader" needs to be destroyed so that it can be shown without any question that Saddam was a sadistic, ruthless, homicidal tyrant.

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sorry im quoting you to make a point on the instant and painless side. Surely the most frightening thing in the world is the knowledge of the mode and exact moment of death. Imagine sitting waiting knowing,nothing can be more frightening than that

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I couldn't, knowingly, commit murder, if I can't do it, I wouldn't expect anyone to do it on my behalf. So - let him rot in jail as a little man, not die as a martyr in my opinion :)

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Solitary confinement in a small cell till death.

Death is the easy way out, being imprisoned in a 12ft cell with a single dingy light and no windows with the only different thing you will ever see being a new meal every day would be the worst thing ever to the human brain.

Don't tell me death is; it isn't, its the easy way out. Death is over a done with, the punishment ends once the noose has tightened.

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People.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Please remember that.

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with saddams few hundred thousands wrongs whats another if it means he gets topped ?

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Hmm, yes.

I think you have a point...

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NO

why?

if found guilty he should be put in prison, not executed.
I thought the UN should fight for this, he has human rights like the rest of us, even if he is found guilty of said crimes.

and america will find him guilty anyway.

ik

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Many states in the US have the death penalty (rightly or wrongly) so its not just barbaric countries.I think someone who has commited so many human rights atrocities should not be allowed to fall back on them when he needs to .
And lets face it he IS guilty so he should be found so anyway.

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What's it got to do with our troops? I'm talking about the policies of government and our allies. I'm merely trying to point out that we also have to take a look at our own actions and the consequences in Iraq.

Saddam hussein was a brutal murderous dictator who shall rightly be punished. But while getting carried away with how to punish him should not detract from the innocent lives that are still being lost and the fact that Saddam's regime was not only allowed to murder thousands but knowingly given the tools to do so. We may not like these facts but they are true nonetheless

Other forum members Advocating public beatings, etc. are acceptable posts but pointing this out is not. I'm confused :confused:

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I find it quite sickening that people bring up the money savings made if he were to be executed than putting him in prison :mad:

I voted no. Yes, the Iraqi people will not be able to completely rest until he his dead and it does set an example to other dictators. But I am fundamentally against the death penalty for anything.

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I voted yes. Just get rid i say, then it will be 'history' rather than current affairs.

Plus, doesn't prison these days mean sky tv, a personal gym, 3 meals a day and no rent...

Not to mention the free bum sex..

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In Iraq? :D

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Just a little question here: why should he have human rights? After all, it's a brave person who would describe him as human.

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Well he did not think of the human rights of his victims so why should he be able to invoke them himself to save his hide.

Execute him and get it over with before the do gooders find a reason to make him out to be the victim and set him free.

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Just because he killed a hell of a lot of people, does not mean we should stoop to his level.
Lock him up and throw away the key.

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Point of order Bill, but do you really believe that the 'do gooders' would ever be able to make Saddam Hussein out to be a victim?

Is there anybody who doesn't know who he is and what he's responsible for? As Coggy said earlier, this is completely out of our hands so it's somewhat academic what any of us actually say but, if a court decided that he was to be imprisoned, it would be very unlikely that he had a minimum term set - if these crimes potentially have the death penalty as a sentence, I believe that it is more likely that the sentence would be commuted to life (and it would mean life).

As for him not thinking of his victims human rights, surely, by ignoring his, the court would be sinking to his level? By respecting his rights, hopefully a fair trial will take place, and he will be sentenced accordingly.

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Well, if we're using the USA as an example then it IS still just barbaric countries.

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A victim, no. But there may be some who would urge us to "understand" him, and maybe even forgive him. It is hard to believe, but remember that there were people who thought that Myra Hindley should be released? As time passes, people seem to forget just how heinous some crimes really are. I also recall reading somewhere that there was a possibility of Peter Sutcliffe applying for parole in the future. Back when he was sentenced, who would ever have thought that?

In addition, we must also remember that there is always a possibility (however tiny) that he could go free by other means.

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You're right (God, I can't believe I'm agreeing with you again ;) ) but, using Sutcliffe as an example, it is entirely feasible that any sentence passed could ensure that "parole" would not be an option (I'm using inverted commas 'cos I'm not sure how early release is handled when it comes to genocide). Also, I personally feel that it is unlikely that there would be a body of people who campaign for Husseins release (although I accept that I may well be proved wrong).

Also, while you again correct in saying that there is a small possibility of him escaping / being set free / whatever, I don't feel he would be free for long. Let's face it, he was found when he was hiding in a hole in the ground, and he would be one of the most wanted men in the world.

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Absurd and offensively provocative - not to mention banal - to suggest liberals have some sort of affinity with Hussein. IMO it is important that he is seen to have a fair trial and that sentencing does not stoop towards his own barbarism.

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It's a good job that he isn't being tried here as he would probably end up getting get 6 points on his licence and a £90 fine. :Yikes:

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Oh don't you start ;)

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Don't underestimate our legal system - they would certainly tag him as well ;)

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And sent on a holiday on appeal
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They will find any reason they can to explain what he did. This will then give them the excuse to reduce the sentence on the grounds of what ever lame excuse they come up with.

Things like

He was abused as a child
he was affected by TV
he was taking drugs and not in control of his actions
he was poor and needed to keep up with the jones's

A excuse will be found to explain away what he did. Might not be now but history has a habit of changing to suit the political party of the day :)

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Get some perspective please.

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OK the holiday is a bit extreme :)

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I think it's safe to say that this is a trial that will not reduce any sentence that is passed down. Bearing in mind there is the potential for the death penalty, how do you reduce that? Just shoot him a little bit?

I personally believe that the best he can hope for is life imprisonment - taking into account that, while this is taking place under Iraqi law, there will also be pressure from various international bodies, so a fair trial will, hopefully, end with a fair outcome.

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What has "our" legal system got to do with it? He's being tried in Baghdad, by Iraqi's no doubt guided by the USA, if you for one minute think that the yanks or the iraqi's will be lenient on him you're dreaming.

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Not suggesting you are targetting me, but did you read this:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...3&postcount=71

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Is that before or after someone locks him in his car and torches it...? :disturbd:

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I bet he will try and get off on mental grounds.

I mean, anyone that pleads not guilty for what he has done / ordered / condoned / etc has to be a nutter.

(allegedly)