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If this goes to appeal and she wins, I'm leaving the country for good. I'm SICK of working 50+ hours a week, paying my taxes and having nothing left to show for it all for parasites like her... :mad:

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£37,000 !!! I work for a living and get less than that! There is something wrong with this country.

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How does she get £37.500 in state benefits we have two wages coming in earning less than she gets and still have to pay all the taxes and backdoor taxes labour have worked in on is.

I feel that if they have state benefits perhaps they should spend 40hours a week doing community services for this money, helping the handicapped, sweeping streets something to make it look like they are working for this money.

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Whilst on benefit and you get a little trip like this, you ever tried declaring that income, they mess your benefits about and when your little trip ends, which this was obviously going to, you try getting your benefits back to normal, its so much hassle its unreal.

£3800 but has to return £4879 ? I wonder if those payments also had to cover some of her costs to attend the events ? and also £2500 in costs, its a shame the system is the way it is, it is because of that that many who do get some one of extra just dont declare it.

Did you know if your on benefit and have a credit card and a mortgaged house, you use the credit card to pay for home improvements, because you cannot get a loan in your current circumstances, then sell the house to pay the debts, you actually cannot legally settle the credit card you have to use that money to live on ?

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This is where the welfare state falls down.

£37,000 in benefits - how can that be justified.

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Ah ... 'workfare'. IIRC the Tories tried to reform unemployment benefit in the late 80s or early 90s and had the idea roundly mocked by Labour who charicatured it as workfare. I don't remember what came of the idea, but the principle that people should be giving something back in return for their State handouts - taking due consideration of their circumstances of course - is a good one IMO.

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Must be on some sort of disability ****-take to get that much in benefits each year. Don't let it be as poisonous as it seems - most benefits claimants don't want to be in the position they're in, and most scrape by on £4/5000 a year.

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Because its for 10 people ;)

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Having eight kids you can't afford to raise yourself apparently. :rolleyes:

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Ain't it just - I have worked out that I work two - three months for nothing paying my taxes and National Insurance for the year and for what? When lazy good for nothings sit on their back sides all day milking the system which honest hard working folk like you and me put in all the time. The system is just one big crock of crap. :afire:

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The trouble is normal people really is in the same boat, most suffer to some extent at the hands of who ever is in government, and that brings about this attitude, if I have to suffer so should they, and thereby come vague judgments from many who have the least facts available.

Workfare pretty much exists, you only get so long on unemployment before you must take some job and that is often instigated with benefit incentives to take the job. the rest are either unfit for work, with some who do cheat. The real problem is with those unfit for a job theyve performed for most of their working lives, retraining to a more suitable postition is practically impossible under curent benefit law. And ye you could make all those suffering ill health to return to work of some form or other, but as their performance is likely to not be up to scratch, no employer can afford to take them on as they are a financial liability in a strictly capitalist and performance based society. However many of those unfit are likely to have way more intelligence than many who are in work.

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I fully appreciate that there are people out there that CANNOT work, and need assistance. That's fine with me, that's what the welfare state is for. But I sw these two on the Wife Swap they featured in. There's is NO EXCUSE for at least one of them not to be working. It's on bloody film FFS. Why can't something be done abouit leeches like these.

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And thereby you prove my statement about people making vague judgements from minimul facts. You watched them on wifeswap and just how long is that show ? 30-40 minutes maybe, but from that you can without doubt say you know their lives inside out ? Total poppycock. You saw the 30-40 minutes that was put together from a week or so in someones life. Its like saying I saw a picture of someone on DLA kicking a football with their son, that picture depicts a split second of the moment, but you would convict on that evidence alone Just because someone kicks a football about for 5-10 minutes with their son or mows the lawn once a month etc does not make them workfit. I can kick a football about for about that long but afterwards I have to sit down for a good hour to recover and I dont do it that often either, but to get those 5-10 minutes in when I can is damn worth it despite the after effects of doing it. My wife has just helped her sister settle into a new house, she will now be laid up for at least a week because of 2 days of helping out a member of family for free, if you saw her on those 2 days you would say how come she is on benefit, she is fit to work. but if you saw her for the rest of the month you would maybe have a different opinion. Things are not allways what they seem especially when you only have a small ammount of facts to base your opinion on. When need arises most can do something, but can it be sustained is the real question.

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Here's a breakdown of their benefits: (Figures courtesy fo the Rochdale Observer...)

Child benefit £4,747. 60
Carers' allowance (for a child who has chronic asthma) £5,691. 40
Disability living allowance (for the same child) £5,051. 80
Disability allowance (for another child with chronic asthma) £3,754. 40
Income support (Mrs Bardsley and children) £13,710 .84
Incapacity benefit (for Mr Bardsley who has had depression since his father died six years ago) £4,446. 00



My brother has had asthma since he was 5 - nearly died twice in fact. My parents both worked. My brother works (and smokes coincidently), and has done since he was 16.. I didn't notice Lizzie gasping for breath on the show, nor at any of the other PAs she's made since. She hasn't worked in 11 years either, but still continues to drop the sprogs too. I get depressed sometimes, just like her husband has. My best friend died when I was 19. And I haven't claimed a days benefit in my life. They are spongers, pure and simple.

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OB are you a doctor, who can assess each of these individual cases or do you say that the deppression you have suffered is as bad as that mans :confused:

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Well I watched the original show and he looked quite alright to me, not like someone with an acute illness, so acute that it prevents him from working. He was alright enough to go out all the time.

Of course, I'm not a doctor. But I remember the show well and the Bardsley clan earn't more in benefits than the other couple that worked full time.

I'd like to have more info, like have they ever worked???
How many kids have they had since they've been on benefits full time??

I repeat again that cases like this make a mockery of our welfare system and takes the focus of the people who really could use our help.

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Oh come on. I'm sure pretty much everyone on here has had someone close to them die.
I'm even more sure a few of them have died in pretty traumatic circumstances.

Claiming for 'depression' for 6 years is taking the p**s

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To echo Dezzo ... I don't think you need to be a doctor to know what it feels like to suffer trauma or loss and to know how it affects people. Depression is a nasty condition, but after 6 years, how is it that nothing has changed? Is he not having treatment? Has he shown no improvement whatsoever that might allow him to undertake some kind of work? Everyone involved in mental healthcare knows that keeping busy is a good way of maintaining good mental health. Languishing at home for six years is probably the worst thing this man could be doing. Assuming of course that he is still suffering clinical depression, and hasn't rather decided that he is better off being paid by the State for being 'depressed' rather than giving up his sofa-bound existence.

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Well in that case if he is refusing pschiatric help then he should be stripped of his benefits, because i'm sure the help is being offered.
But the children have done nothing wrong so they should keep theres, unless your saying they should get jobs :erm:

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He looked fairly cheery to me too, sat there in his shell suit, chuffing on Sovereign. :mad:

Apparently Lizzie hasn't worked in 11 years.... :rolleyes:

NOt sure about how many children they've had since they've both been out of work, but I think it's at least one or two...

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Your statement isn't proved at all - I know of several people who work for the Department for work and pensions and they have stated to me that the system is heavily abused. People who can work should work and as Tony Blair rightfully said earlier this year when he declared war on the sickies (Link to story below):-

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...293612,00.html

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Took me a bloody year to get my DLA, one DR thought i was fit enough for work even though i could not walk. :shrug:

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I am on DLA for two reasons

I have aspergers syndrome now when any one of you see me, you won't see it, but in working scenarios and some home ones it comes out.

Some ailments are not visible all the time, this man who claimed 6years for DLA then he must have needed it, with you needing to re-apply every few years..

So back down with the flaming DLA benefit is one of the hardest to get if I had not done my right hip in, likely my Aspergers would not have been recognised.

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No-ones flaming DLA - for those that need it. I just don't beleive the Mr Lazy **** Bardsley does. :rolleyes:

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DO we know why he was depressed, I mean some serious things can play havoc on someones mind?

Depression could be classed as self pity, but could be trama aswell, he could be suffering and forcing him to work could destroy him.

I am in no way sticking up for him but remember this is a cold dark world at times and things happen which we cannot envision and can seriously play havoc on your emotions even for a long time.

If he is geniunely sponging them by all means flame him, but if not perhaps the chap deserves the benefit of doubt.

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Goodness me !!!
I hope for once they make her do some hard work as a punishment.
To think we have to work all our lives and these people are raking it in for doing nothing !!! :mad:

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I cant bring myself to judge a person from a cut and edited tv programme
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I bet looking after 8 kids is hard work ;)

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In my opinion, if your child is that ill - especially from Asthma! you should not be a smoker. Where does all the money they get go? How can they afford to smoke? am I paying for them to smoke?


there's a difference between being depressed and being clinically ill from depression. although after seeing that program I didnt see any familiar signs of depression - he looked fit to work in my opinion.
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and a bit of work might do him some good.

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There's your sponge-ism - those of us who are ill, or have been seriously ill, would be very hard pushed to get anywhere near those amounts.

Does everyone here realise how long some DLA, Carers' and Incapacity is awarded for? Those of us who have been ill have it only awarded for a year, spongers get it awarded for years at a time. Oh, the stories that could be told of some of those we know - holidays every five minutes. The kid 'suffering' from ADHD - what a meal ticket. :upyours:

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You can but try...

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Carers' is for care 'above the normal amount' and DLA is awarded in two parts - mobility (e.g. cannot catch bus because physically too ill, has to travel to appointments) and care (er.. Carers' Number 2).

I'd love to see how ill this kid really is. :erm:

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I'm not for a moment suggesting any blame is taken away from her for this but perhaps the benefits agency make it too easy to get away with fraud? Some local councils certainly do.

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Good idea i have a child with adhd maybe i should claim, I didnt think he was ill, i just thought the medication was for a headache (mine)
and having to home educate him out of my own pocket, i'll apply for a grant, and i didnt know i could get holidays :tu: cheers for the info;)
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Oh and dla is awarded in 2 parts with 3 levels in each ;)

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As someone who's not dealt with ADHD, could you explain what the mobility component is needed for?
That's a little different to most ADHD 'sufferers', I think you'll find. Most kids go to school like the rest of them - at least you're a good parent. :)

I know - I've filled in plenty of their lovely long forms. :td:

(And, the 'meal ticket' is a meal ticket, in that case. I grant that there are many serious cases of ADHD that do deserve Carers' as well as the mobility (can travel on public transport) and care components of DLA, but in a lot of cases, the kids are living on normal kids - when they take their medication. I can't see the point of compensating people for being who they are - there has to be a good medical reason for them needing that money!)

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Its called money for getting around hospital visits etc, and they get it because if they are having a bad day, public transport would be out of the question for safety reasons would you let a kid in your car that was kicking the glass, and the lower rate is only about £14 a week, but i get naff all for him :shrug: maybe i should sponge :erm:

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Some ADHD children are too disruptive and end up excluded from school for the safety and education of the classes. Its hard to educate children with ADHD children in the classes but I feel these children would still benefit from fiting in to todays society and having a place at school but perhaps with slightly different timetable to the rest of school working in small groups.
The medication doesn't make them normal infact in some cases it stunts their growth, supreses their appitite and in some cases has been known to change the child so that they are nothing like their normal self more like zombies and harder to teach.

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I think about my poor dad who has worked all his life, never had a day off work really and slogged his bloody guts out to look after us all, who had major surgery 3 months ago and all he is entitled to is about £70 per week. Makes me so mad to see this flippin woman scrounging and scrounging and getting. Just heard a quote on the radio from her "i can't do right for doing wrong" Yes love, do the right thing and get a "proper" job :fit:

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I wasn't having a go, Marky, I was just about to use you to make my point.. :)

The DLA they get for one kid is £97.50 per week. Let's say half of that is the care component, leaving the other half (£48.58 ) as the mobility component.

How many docs and hospital appointments can one kid have in a week? :erm:

The problem with this is that many schools, as I'm sure you'll know, are working on a stretched budget as it is, so giving extra to ADHD kids would be determental to the 'normal' kids who want to sit down and learn. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the way it is.

If some of these kids really are that bad, not only will they take away funds from the others, I'm sure they'll be dragging down the overall behaviour of the school. Perhaps it's time to consider some sort of special eduction, for the worst? (I'd extend this to others with behavioural problems of one sort or another, too. Having said that, if there was to be such a school around here, they'd leave a couple of the schools with half the amount of pupils they started with...)

If someone could come up with some sort of wonder drug, I'm sure they would; but they haven't. What are you supposed to do?

Again, I refer to the latter part of what I just previously said.

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And stop s***gging to get more kids and benefits ;)

I wonder how attractive the benefits would be if they were paid as vouchers to be used for food etc. and not cigs etc.....

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Just been reading this thread, and I have a few thoughts..

First. I do find the Bardsley's offensive. They *are* (IMO) spongers who should be stopped. It sounds like they might be now.

Second, we (I include myself in that) are making judgments based on a few news reports (which may be biased) and a few hours of entertainment television (after all, Wife Swap *is* light entertainment, it is not a documentary and is not researched as thoroughly as a documentary should be). They also try to inject a certain "shock" value into the programme*. The programme may also be biased.

Third, and before I say this, I will say I don't have much experience with depression. AFAIK depression comes in cycles. It's entirely possible that the times we have seen the father, he was just having a good day.

Fourth , I am suprised they got DLA initially. It is not easy to get .

Fifth, how stupid are they? Do they think the DWP staff (& fraud department staff) don't watch TV? Yet they still claimed despite being on TV..

Sixth, Assuming both are well enough to work, they should get jobs.


* Before you think I am slagging Wife Swap off, I am not.. I like the programme and am actually friends with a lady that started off as researcher (and has apologised for the Bardsleys) and is currently production co-ordinator. I liked the programme and was friends with the lady long before she started work on it.

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I'm out of work and have bills to pay out of about £500 per month, and I'm only entitled to £54 PW in jobseekers and that expires in March, and F**k all else. Because I have to live at home.

This really the the %^$%$£

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Well the answer is there, you are now depressed because you dont have a job, so you can claim benefits for incapacity. The mind boggles mate :eek:
And i was joking about that good luck in trying to find a job :tu:

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It's damned hard work! The trouble is, DWP will award DLA to people like this for many years at a time without evaluation - where as other, honest claimants will only get it awarded for a year, and then it all has to be done once again. :td:

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Heres a story about spongers, real spongers not someone who may be claiming entitlement and been slipped a few K for one or 2 events that was not likley to continue.

My wife worked at an old peoples home some time ago, there the residents were subjected to abuse you would find hard to believe. Left overs were served up the next day. Unqualified personal were dealing with the medication, medication was not allways reordered on time so other residents medication was borrowed. Doctors are suposed to visit patients every so many prescriptions, this rarely happened, a qualified nurse is suposed to be present during the nightshift. Invariably all these positions/jobs are performed by unqualified school leavers because they are cheap labour, yet the home owners are getting a good £1000+ per week per resident, many small homes take a good 6 to 12 residents. Having worked in one myself for a while I knew what was occuring at my wifes place of employment was not right. The whistle was blown to the council, who then informed the home that they were coming out for an examination in 2 days time as there has been alegations made about the running of the home. Of course the council who is in charge of giving out licences also recieves reasonable financial sums for them. Nothing was found against the owners but they then went on a war hunt to victimise the person they believed informed on them out of their job.

Thats £52,000 .00 at least per year per resident sponging, and they get to sell on at the end either a business or a large and expensive house. Of course there are some very well run homes but theres a huge amount that is run like this, as my wife found out when she got in touch with some one who wrote regularly for care weekly and got my wifes story published in it.

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Children with ADHD will not have monthly appointments ADHD is what is termed as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. These children are hard work as trying to keep them on task is more a 1to1 teaching which isn't possible in the cash starved education of today. We have a few children with behaviour problems not all are ADHD some are just copying others who they think get a better deal than them.

Special education that will be a hard one all special schools are on their way out with the children intergrated into Mainstream schools.

Infact if they do police checks on some of these people on benefits they could help the shortfall in watching the children at lunchtimes, become before and after school carers with a member of perminant staff. The Hospitals would benifit from extra help at no extra costs on funds. These people could be palced in areas that have shortfall in staff helping those already there to ease the pressure.

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And there is a statment of S.E.N so the school gets extra, but it can take a long time to get the statment for the child and some parents try to stop it.

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But should 1to1 teaching be available? Would that money be better spent on improving the education of the others?

It's all a matter of making it fair. It's not fair to have kids with ADHD slowing down the others and it's not fair to have ADHD with 1to1 education.


Do you support that? I certainly don't - there are enough 'special' disruptive youngsters in most schools without the extra burden.

So they want extra care for their kids, but they'd rather the money for it come from the other schools funds to the loss of all the others? They deserve to be hung!

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I'm sorry i dont understand, a statment of special educational needs means that the school gets extra funding from the government so the other children dont suffer :confused:

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Sorry, I didn't put that very well. :) I meant those parents that try to stop the SEN from going through - they effectively want the best for their child whilst robbing from the pockets of others. :sleep:

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:tu: :D

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My wife works in a residential home NVQ2 Certificate, if the scenario was like you stated she would not have been there more than a day, plus a report to the appropiate authorities.

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The process of having a child staemented is very difficult and takes years to get the statement.

Each child has to be observed without them knowing its happening. Part of the process is

If an assessment goes ahead, the LEA will ask a number of people to give their views on the child. They will ask for advice from:

* the childââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s school
* an educational psychologist
* a doctor
* social services (who will only give advice if they know the child)
* anyone else whose advice the LEA think is appropriate

Parents can attend any interview, medical or other test during the assessment. You know your child best so your views are important. What your child thinks also plays a big part in the assessment.

You should feel free to suggest any other people or organisations you know whose views may be helpful. The LEA should then ask for these views and take them into account as part of the assessment. You may want to think about asking:

After all this the LEA and all who have assessed the child have a meeting and decide what level of statement if at all.

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We had him refered to c.a.m.h.s at the bolton hospital, with help from all the people you mentioned apart from social services, it has taken 4yrs he is now 8.
and a lot of hard work.

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Yes and that is 4 yrs to long IMPO these children are not getting the extra support they need until the statement is through.

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That is why we opted for home education, rather than disrupt the other children.

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A report to the apropriate authorities is completely useless when said authorities pre inform the residency of allegations and impending visit. My wife was there for less than a month. most staff did not last much longer than 3 months here, my wife at the time had never worked in the field before, but documentation was available on requirements that legally had to be met, this was researched and several offences both of continiual and individual nature was reported. The place did not even have a cleaner, the care staff all of which was in their teens except one (who was the night shift) was expected to do the entire cleaning aswell as all the care duties. This was 3-4 staff depending on wether they had found anyone to replace the last staff that left, plus an unqualified night shift person, for about 12 residents in two houses (the owners did reside in the other house), the value of which I would estimate even at that time to be worth a good million, as a profitablke business maybe more. with an income between the 2 houses of around £600,00 0+ PA they could easily have afforded to run it properly. This is what you call living the life of reily at the expense of others.

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£37500 a year now do people still think some people with children dont get over the top help?

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If you read what orangebird posted, i think at least 3 are on disability out of a family of 10, and the money is between 10 and not 1 person ;)

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This is a false war, the biggest abuse of benefit fraud is when children are involved and with people claiming JSA when they work, incapacity has a very low fraud rate, especially for people claiming it short term. Like has already been pointed out a particurly bad case marks thousands of people wrongly in a bad way. Blair's war is to get sick people forced to work causing them uneeded stress and making them concentrate their energy in the wrong place, if he wants ill people back to work faster then perhaps he should sort out them having to wait 6 months between each hospital appointment and them having to constantly fight the benefit system to get their money.

A big chunk of benefit fraud would be cut if some kind of child bearing laws were put in place like china maybe? or maybe dependant on job status or wealth, blair is on a war to cut child poverty (adult poverty not mentioned) which generally means throwing more benefits at parents.

The benefits listed by OB showed my point about duplicate benefits paid out for children.

Child benefit £4,747. 60

Carers' allowance (for a child who has chronic asthma) £5,691. 40
Disability living allowance (for the same child) £5,051. 80
These 2 benefits are been paid out for the exact same thing, if it was an adult who had asthma they would at most just get DLA and defenitly not carers allowance but would likely get neither, my sister has asthma and gets no benefit for it.

Disability allowance (for another child with chronic asthma) £3,754. 40
This brings up another question, a adult on lower rate DLA would get somewhere in the region of £720 a year, a very low amount, I would be very interested how this is worked out since DLA is a topup benefit and is very unusual for that amount to be paid out unless the person needs serious attention and care, but since she is a parent unemployed anyway with the time for her child why is this payment needed?

Income support (Mrs Bardsley and children) £13,710 .84
IS is supposed to come into account after all benefits are calculated, eg. if the law says you need £56 a week to live on and you get £55 JSA then you can claim £1 a week IS, so this is benefit is been for one of 2 reasons and it is either because the law says she needs £37k to live on and this is the top up (very absurb if true) or she is getting it for some other reason probably claiming sickness for herself (people who claim incapacity and havent paid enough tax, will be on income support instead) but note how it says and for her children, this is now a 3rd benefit for her children (duplicated 3 times for 2 kids twice for the rest). A childless adult claiming IS would generally be getting between £2400 and £4000 a year.

Incapacity benefit (for Mr Bardsley who has had depression since his father died six years ago) £4,446. 00
This isnt means tested but he is married to someone else who is claiming over 30k worth of benefits which I think normally would disqualify him, I am guessing here that the fact he has children probably turned the decision in his favour.

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More like about three will be left in each class. Nice.

And let's not forget the insanely bright who will get bored rigid if they're not stimulated enough. They shouldn't have to find public/grammar schools who will cater for them, it's practically the same as special needs whereas kids with learning difficulties need help to grasp things insanely bright kids need something to do.

Disruptive kids usually fall into two categories- the kids who don't understand it and are frustrated, and the kids who understood it straight away and are bored so have to entertain their minds somehow.

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WOW now that is a great post :clap:

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An SEN is damn hard to get, your kids have to be either really really bad or in a wheelchair to get them round here.