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Oh lord i can't think of a Worse bit of so called "art" to put in Trafalgar Square
I mean it's Totally unsuitable for public viewing. :mad:

Square's naked sculpture revealed

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Why?

I think it's very interesting, and it certainly challenges our idea of 'beauty' and 'femininity'.

It more 'art' than anything that silly girl Emin has ever produced.

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Certainly an interesting piece of art!! Nothing wrong with it anyway!

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personally i think its disgusting.
its just another case of political correctness gone mad.and another case to prove that the morals of this country are in the gutter.

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I remember this lady on "Child of our Time". She herself is an artist of some renown. No problem at all for me, and for all those who knock modern art as incomprehensible here is something truly representational.

But for my mother not collecting her prescription that could have been me.

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Looking a bit more at the pictures of the statue, and I wonder if it's the deformity that makes it 'unsuitable' in your eyes?

Try to imagine the statue with arms and normal legs. It would then conform to the 'normal' standard for a sexy, pregnant woman.

I can't see how the disability takes that away from her.
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One could argue that it is entirely un-PC...

How is it immoral?

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why put it in trafalgar square,if its modern art put it in an art gallery not in a square named after one of this country,s heroes.

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The Fourth Plinth has never had anything on it. This statue is one of 4 that were specifically comissioned for the plinth.

That's why it's in Trafalgar Square.

Furthermore, one might consider the woman's heroism of living a 'normal' life despite her disability.

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Here here never a truer word said ! it's just there to please the pc brigade.

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That's just nonsense.

It would be so easy for someone to suggest it was an insult to the disabled, or to women.

There's nothing politically correct about showing that beauty and femininity are about more that 2 arms, 2 boobs and 2 legs.

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Now there's a sobering thought....... :erm:

.....and this is? :rolleyes:
Why can't we follow other European cities and have sculptures of beautiful things/people.........a heavily pregnant armless woman falls outside that description for most of us :erm: Why do we need to make a statement? Why can't we just have something uncontroversial for once? :(

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So tell - what's so 'disgusting' about it?

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they should stick a statue of blair on that plinth, it would give the pigeons something better to crap on :erm:

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my cousin is severely disabled he lives every day of his life in a wheelchair yet he is not classed as a hero and nobody wants to put up a statue of him.

just because this woman is disabled is no reason for putting up a statue in trafalgar square

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A temporary statue - only there till March next year.

Then they're putting something truly horrendous up there!

http://www.fourthplinth.co.uk/thomas_schutte.htm
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I hope i'm misreading this... but do some think it shouldn't be there because the statue is of a disabled lady?

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I think its naff, and for that reason shouldn't be there, but not because its "offensive", although there are still taboos about it all. Topless girls aren't allowed on here, but if they are in a classical painting... would it change things?

2 points on why I think its naff:

1. The artist thinks disabled people are underrepresented in art. That isn't equal to oppressed. I remember Sharpton or Jackson went on one of his racist rants about how no black people were nominated at an award show and how the show was racist and oppressing black people. Chris Rock came on and did a comedy skit and said there were no midgets nominated either, so the awards show must be midgetist and oppressing midgets. Just because they aren't doesn't mean they should be forced into there to even up numbers, they should be there because they deserve to be there. Because they earned their place amongst all others, not because it is rare.

2. Those stupid comments about "feminity" and female empowerment and/or superiority. Posing naked is a definition of feminine now? Hmm. And feminine empowerment? Give me a break, she's trying to compare herself with Emmeline Pankhurst. Anyway, its nothing of the sort. Its really bland and uninventive. Its nothing that hasn't been done a million times before, except the artist has tried to make it get publicity/shock value and praise via that backdoor, which he shouldn't be earning.

If the author wants to know what a real decent work of art is, tell him to go look at Munch's "The Scream". Well, he could if some toerag hadn't nicked it.

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And just because she's disabled is no reason NOT to!

In any case, the statue is not in honour of her - she was only the model for it.
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Sounds that way.

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in my opinion its disgusting to have any statue of a naked women in trafalgar square.if people want to see this sort of thing they should go to art gallery's to see it.not have it put in front of them on a plinth.

and if the artist wanted to do a statue like this why did he have to make it a naked statue why couldn't he have done a clothed statue ie wearing a maternity dress.

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they should get rid of nelson then, was he not blind in one eye and only had one arm:shrug:

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Fair enough.

Taboos?!?!? If female nudity or public display of disability was a 'taboo' in this country, then we'd have no FHM and we'd still be putting disabled people into institutions.

And he's totally right. Unless, of course, you can point me to many more works of art depicting disabled people?

No mention of 'superiority', but I believe the work does promote femininity and hence empowers women.

Show me just ONE other piece of art (shocking or otherwise) that depicts a disabled person.

Highly overrated! (IMHO)
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That's just prudish.

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They have got to be joking us!! :erm: What were they smoking? What planet are they on? :rolleyes:
Whats wrong with a nice collection of shapely multicultural nudes?
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But he still looks heroic and dashing.......she just looks fat, unnatractive and odd.....

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if it wasn't for nelson you would probably now be speaking spanish or french.
and i for one would certainly look at nelson anyday than this crappy statue that as been placed on this plinth for it's shock value.

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No, I disapprove because she is unattractive.

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Does photography count?

http://www.brentstirton.com/projects/disabled/

BTW: I have no problem with the sculpture

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Public works of art should be uplifting, majestic, grand or at he very least, just beautiful...........I'm sure her partner sees her like that but the rest of us struggle to see it :dozey:
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Put that up in Trafalguar Square and I'll bitch about it as well! :D

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I can't think of any names off the top of my head

Just because a subject isn't in art very often, doesn't mean that when it is, its automatically praise-worthy. There are no pictures of the skin between my toes, but that doesn't mean if I produce one it is pushing the boundaries of art or (in my words) "being inventive or creative".

The guy is making up for that lack by exploiting a disabled woman, and that IS rather sick, IMO. Being disabled ISN'T a defining characteristic. Go up to any disabled person and ask them what is the most important thing about them. The fact they are disabled? Or their personality? Resilience? Spirit? Things that should be captured in art, not a disability, which is a characteristic of disabled people but not THE characteristic. Would they say they are a person or a disabled person? If you think its the latter, you haven't met any/enough disabled people.

Take away the disabled side of it, which was put in for shock/promotional value, and what do you have? A plain, white, marble sculpture of a nude woman. Like that hasn't been done before.

Highly overrated! (IMHO)
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Seconded! Nothing wrong with a nice nude......

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Hmmm so if it was a bimbo then that'd be ok?

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Fat - Pregnant (i.e. NOT fat)

Unattractive - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Odd - Yeah, maybe. But is that somehow 'wrong'?

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maybe it is prudish but whats wrong with being a prude.
i see on the news every day how somebody's been shot or stabbed,some oap has been mugged,some women raped etc etc.
this country has gone to the dogs and its things like this,that have been part of the ruin of this country.
a so called artist does a statue like this for its shock value then somebody does another one even more shocking and it goes on and on.half a cow in a tank autopsy's on tv,all for the sake of art.
there are no more morals anymore no more decency.

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Yes, but I wasn't asking you! :)

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How is it shocking? Because the statue is nude or because she has no arms? I fail to see what is so shocking about the statue!!

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if you say so but there are better places than trafalgar square.

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No it wouldn't!.....see my list of allowable public works of art :D

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Do think Nelson's a stunna? ;)

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Because that's nothing but denying the reality of life.

Not according to the artist' Good to see you can see through to his inner thoughts.

Nothing of what you mention is in any way immoral - perhaps in bad taste.

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Post #22......."But he still looks heroic and dashing......." :D

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I think the point of the statue is because if you saw her in the street you'd probably instinctively look at her and then pretend you aren't looking - so this statue is to say 'ok, this is what i look like - I'm not embarrased about it so never should you be.'


Considering there is a large element of the general public that have no respect for disabled people - you know the ones - the ******s who park in the disabled spots as they are too lazy to walk further and too ignorant to think of people less able than themselves.....

I think if we want to make a statement which is 'pro' disabled people then lets make a statue of a car minus a disabled badge parked in a disabled spot and plonk it up there! A lot more worthwhile in my opinion than this current statue.

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how would you feel and what would you say if you had young children and where walking through trafalgar square and your child asked why there was a statue of a naked lady with no arms up on the plinth.
would you not feel any embarresment.

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It's an interesting and clearly - if this thread's anything to go by - a provocative piece. Art should make you think. I can see no reason why people should be offended by the nudity. I mean, woo look, breasts! There are plenty of pieces of public art featuring nudity.

I would also have thought that those of you have yet to sign up to the PC Brigade ( c'mon, you know it makes sense:) :D ) would be pleased to see the resilience and resourcefulness of this remarkable British woman being celebrated.
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No. Why should I? I'll show the pic to my two if you want.

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[QUOTE=ScaredWebWarrior]Because that's nothing but denying the reality of life.


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so if its reality of life you want why not put up a statue of some junkie snorting coke,or a statue of a drive by shooting.or a women being raped.or a drunken yob throwing up on a friday or saturday night.
there the realities of life but i don't see any one doing a statue of them and putting it in trafalgar square.

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Over the millennia public art has reflected the lives of the people that lived at the time. Some of it was indeed all the things you think it should be.

But there is no should about art.

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Pretty simple really, I had no plans to go to trafalgar square anytime soon, This hasnt give me any inspiration to hastily change my mind either :)

Personally i think its the wrong place for it, although I do agree that in general this society does treat disabled in a poor way, and I think most people overcome something to achieve something. There are some counties in Britain removing children from non abusive households purely because theres an element of lacking in the families daily structure, ie Wife is dislexic and cannot read well, there fore takes a little while longer to do certain things etc.

Perhaps that plinth should house gallows or similar for such people who prey on the weak and abuse their position of power.

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can i ask how old your two are

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I'd tell them what it was, why it was there and ask them what they thought of it.

No!

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Bit of a health and safety issue there... once you get beyond the queues of people, waiting to take the place of the pigeons, blocking the public highway, what about the ones that fall off? Still, it will be in a good cause. They could rename it "Blair undone by Brown"...

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even if your kids where 6 or 7 years old

you see this is where we differ when i was a child we never saw naked men or women with or without arms.
but then again when i was a child i was a child and not a very young adult.
and then again there was no such things as unmarried mothers when i was a child,no such things as peadophiles,murder and rape was very rare.marriage was the norm,homosexuality and lesbianism was unheard of by children when i was a child.
when i was a child this country had morals and decency they would certainly have not put up a statue like this.
but then again this country was not as crappy as it is now.

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No. Why should I be embarrased?

There is nothing wrong with that statue.

It may not be to your taste, but it's no worse than that.

Anyway, I feel the thread heading towards pointlessness , so, having said my piece (well - several pieces), I'm retiring from this one.

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I would have no problem telling them! Why on earth should i be embarressed?

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i see a few replies saying they would not be embarresed letting there child see this statue.
so would you let your child look at a pornographic magazine or a blue movie.

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In my book art and an X-Rated film are very different!!

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why, a naked women is the same be it in statue or film.
why would you not be embarresed by a statue yet you would by a x rated film
please explain the differences.

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As an artist who's first love is 3D art I regard it as beautiful.

I think all of you are entitled to your beliefs about what is art and what is beauty.However whether one is ugly or not why shouldn't they be represented on a plinth.I frankly have been horrified by the attitude that because someone is disabled or ugly they have no right to be represented in art.

Shame on you all. :(

No wonder there are so many talentless sh*ts in the world of entertainment,tv,music if the only criteria should be that they are beautiful. :(

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What a lame comparison, a statue of a pregnant women is not pornographic.

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why is the statue not pornographic?

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It is a statue, I mean come on be real, next it will be cartoons offending people, some people do take everything as a reason to moan about disability ( and i am disabled ) in everything hell I could say there ain't enough adverts showing disabled people testing hair products but I don't.

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The difference is very simple! X-rated film or Porno is about Sex! The statue doesn't represent sex in any shape or form!

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Agreed.

It is a statue there is one similar in a few ways in Picadilly right facing Burger King which people was talking about saying was disgusting as it is half naked, it is a freaking statue not like it is a screaming woman being banged by a sweaty guy complete with sound and animation is it? how can you possibly compare them together :rofl:

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so why doesn't the statue have clothes on if it doesn't represent sex, its naked and pregnant so it represents the female sex.

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One's 10 next month, the other 11.
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Nudity does not mean sex. Being pregnant means you've had sex (or IVF) but it's not like it's an advert or owt!
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You're equating a sculpture of a nude with a jazz mag? That's bonkers mate! :)
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It's not sexual, it's natural. I think any sexual inference is in your mind mate :disturbd:

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To all those men who think that its wrong to have a topless woman statue in public... when you are on holiday, I presume you all wear tops at all time, otherwise, they would be a bit hypocritical wouldn't they?

Biologically male and female's chests are near-indentical. Everyone has breasts and nipples, because all feotuses when born, are female, before some which become male. The only visual difference is shape and size. Compare the chest of a girl with an A cup, and a bloke with a shaved test. You really think you could tell the difference?

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what i can't understand is why people cannot be embarresed letting young children see naked statues.
yet they would be embarresed letting them see porno mags or films they both show nudity, statue or magazine or film.
personally i don't think young children should be able to see any of it naked statues mags or films.
when i was a child the innocence of the child was protected now nobody cares.
all for the sake of pc or reallity

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So all those nudes in all the galleries painted by grand Masters are filth and disgusting?Or is it because it is of a disabled woman and you hate such people being shown?If you had accused the artist who produced the work of pandering to a freak show I would understand your attitude but to say that nakedness is not art when so many artists across the generations have used nudes and have had their work accepted by their peers..I'm having a hard time understanding your attitude.

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lol So a statue of a nude man you would automatically think of sex? :rolleyes:

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....anyway - I just had a look at the pictures on the bbc site and I quite like it.

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in my opinion a statue of a naked man would be just as disgusting and should not be on display in trafalgar square

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Sigh! So Michelangeloâââ€à …¡Ã‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s David is to be avoided at all costs?

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1 i have never said i was disgusted by this statue of a naked women because of her disabilities.
2 no i do not think these paintings by the grand masters are disgusting but they are in the right places, art galleries.not trafalgar square.
3 yes i do think that children under 16 should not be allowed to see them.
if only to try and bring some decency and morals back to this country

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LMAO I can't believe people are so prudish over a naked statue!!

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if it was in trafalgar square, yes.

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Woah there! I'm not saying she cannot be represented in art! I just think that Trafalguar square isn't the place for a statement like that.....

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Well good luck with that! :p::p::p:

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its not just the statue its society in general and the lack of morals and common decency i object to.
and a naked statue in trafalgar square is not going to help.

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One of the major points of this statue would be completely lost were she to be covered by clothes.

Yes it is shocking and thought provoking and obviously makes some people very uncomfortable.

For me it is the fact that she makes some people uncomfortable tells me they have some prejudices that need to be dealt with. Whether it is simply having a problem with nakedness or pregnancy or more worryingly a need to "hide" disabilities.

As someone once jokingly put it "I have yet to meet anyone who hasn't got a body". TBH she has a far better body than I do and more courage than I will ever have, but I wander around the house naked in front of my children because I don't have any hangups and I never want them to feel selfconcious about their bodies. My parents were the same, yet my grandmother managed to put more clothes on to go to bed than she wore during the day!

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hmm.

Personally I think the fourth plinth should be left empty. We have statues of legends from history in there, history is always being added to, something great will always happen in the future.

Serve as a reminder that there's still a long way to go- incompleteness with a message, life is incomplete... so why should there be anything on there... leave it empty for symbolism.

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A naked statue is going to make no difference whatsoever to anyones morals, no matter were the statue is!!

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We are hoping to go down to London later this year and I will make a point of going to Trafalgar Square to see what I think of it.

Oh and yes I will be taking my 14 year old son with me and will not be embarrassed in the slightest, does that make me a bad mother? :rolleyes:

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If not Trafalgar Square where?Shut away in some obscure corner in a museum/gallery I suppose. :(

We need to use our grand spaces to make statements about our lives and how we live them.Statues should be out in the open..that way they are better appreciated. ;)

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people laugh at me with my attitude but every day i look on this forum and i see time after time things like,my grans been beaten up or my house has been broken into,or my life is being made a misery by the local yobs or peadophile kills again etc etc.
what i'm trying to say is the people complain but nobody cares because there is no moral or common decency anymore.
and putting a statue of a naked female in trafalgar square does nothing to improve the morals or decency in this country it just lowers them further.

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Exactly! :tu:

Of course if she was in Playboy centerfold pose it might be different. ;)

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why not do a statue of some old women being beaten up by a yob then, thats making a statement about our lives and it happens more frequently than some woman with no arms having a kid.

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Now we are getting away from the point.Naked statues have never made people into thieves or muggers,it their circumstances that do that.I think that looking at naked statues or grand master's depictions of nakedness have not depraved me in any way.They have uplifted me to see how beautiful the human body truly is and how fantastic the Grand Masters/Mistresses are at depicting it. ;)

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Thought you said it was not about disabilities.

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The history of art is littered with nudes. At what point did they start denigrating public morality?

But I repeat there is nothing in any way sexual about this imagery. It's a nude representation, there is none of the meat and two veg, coy posing etc which marks out eroticism or pornography.

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Agreed! You see unlike you I have no qualms about art being used to depict ALL that needs to be represented in our lives.Art is a means by which an artist expresses their feelings about EVERYTHING that occurs in life.A picture/statue says a thousand words.

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you say not.
but if the people of london stood up and said they didn't want nudity on the streets of london it would be a start.
and a start as to be made somewhere.

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Of course art does represent the horrors of war, deprivation, degradation etc. This particular piece does not. To me it's celebratory. But all the country's going down the pan stuff is unlikely to inspire artists because, well, it isn't IMO. Bigger artistic fish to fry.
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:rant:

Personally, I think pretty much all of the pieces of "art" which have been displayed have been crap. I just wish that people would decide for once and for all who the fourth plinth should be used for, and put a statue there.

Look at the previous occupants of the fourth plinth. "Homo Ecco" was just a statue of a bloke - completely unremarkable. "Regardless of history" looked like a dead tarred tree which had been dug up and dumped there. "Monument" was just a mirror image of the base in clear plastic - so boring. And this "Alison Lapper preganant" bores me too. As for the next bit of work... coloured scaffolding made out of meccano by a ten year old.

If people want to see artwork, they can go to one of the many museums in the capital. Much of the "art" I've seen by modern artists is dull, insipid crud that pseudo-intellectuals adore because it "challenges them"... I've seen more challenging work done by my Jack Russell cross in the back garden. So much of it just looks like the artist is taking the wee-wee and cobbled it together the morning after an all-night pub crawl, just minutes before the exhibition.

The other three plinths are occupied by statues of people who made significant contribution to Britain's history. Why not get a statue of someone important to put on the fourth plinth. Put it to a national vote, stick the statue there and let's move on to sort out some of the more important issues that face us these days.

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Is this thread about the work of art, or were it is located ?

I like the statue, it speaks for itself, as for the location, i would prefer it be in hyde park or a place simillar to that for all to see :)

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but then again i would find a statue of an old lady being beaten up by a yob just as disgusting as this statue in trafalgar square and would want it removed because in my opinion they would both lower the common decency of this country.
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what i'm trying to say is why put it where little kids can see it,you wouldn't let let little kids see a porno mag would ya.

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A sculpture depicting violence is some way removed from a sculpture depicting the human body. Depicting something natural, if thought provoking, lowers standards of decency? OK, I'm off to show the kids. Their critique will follow! :)
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But it's not porn. Nobody thinks it's porn. Blimey O'Reilly!

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how do you know peado's weren't turned on by naked statues when they where kids.
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why is it not porn.personally i think it should be classed as soft porn.
and another thing if a woman was to sit in trafalgar square naked,how long do you think it would be before she was arrested under the common decency act not long i bet but they can erect a naked statue and nobody bats an eyelid.

Well the kids don't like the sculpture. :) I talked through the story behind it, which they seemed to take on board. The youngest was pretty disinterested the eldest, when pushed, admitted to being a 'bit' embarassed by it. But we talked about what it meant, so might get them thinking.

I don't think they've been damaged by the experience!

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What twaddle.

OK - I said I wasn't coming back to this, but this is an outrage. This idiot is spewing about decency and morals and generally hogging the thread, where any discussion of art etc. has been overwhelmed by this banal arguing.

How can someone who thinks
Really have a valid opinion on decency and morality? The man was a disgrace!

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Blimey, mate, you're going on about this statue of a woman naked being offensive, yet your signature says ' long live bernard manning the king of comedy.' - I always thought he was one of the most offensive people to walk this planet. Give me a statue of a naked woman - with or without arms - over Bernard Manning spouting his offensive drivel any day of the week. :rolleyes:

Oops, I'm not supposed to be here... best go quickly before anyone notices.

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I'm not surprised. It's a grown-up piece of art. All credit that they managed to see it objectively.

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Eh?


Do you really see anything erotic in this statue?

Well depictions of nudity and nudity itself are quite, quite different. Mind you, I'd watch out for that artist who specialises in getting huge crowds of naked people together in public places. I'm guessing Constable might be more to your liking ;) :)

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ack - I type too slowly some times :(