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following on from this thread where I asked all your opinions on computer cases... this is one of those things that has turned into a long-drawn out affair which I don't expect to finish until around christmas time, with not much expense spared ;)

I have bought this case. Thanks for all the advice of everyone, but a budget of £80 to spend just on a case was possibly a bit too much for me... so, I have spent £40 on the case instead. That leaves me with a bit of extra budget to spend elsewhere. Still need to pair a PSU to go with the case, but that will come later. Like I said, being poor means this project will spread out towards Christmas, possibly beyond...

I am also weighing up the pros and cons of this motherboard. It might seem excessive... but I want this computer to be as future proof as possible, with 8 SATA ports and millions of USB ports I don't see that as much of a problem. The SLi I am weighing up as a possible thing to ditch... I just don't see me having much use for 2 graphics cards. I mainly do CAD work so performance is an issue, but the CAD software I use runs OK on my laptop. One thing though, AMD64 it is definitely going to be. Oh, and this machine *will* be dual-display. Like I said, for my CAD work.

That's it for now... Guess it was more of a ramble really, but any more advice feel fee to throw it at me. I've built many systems before but any pointers are always useful ;) :angel: (yes, I have read every single thread on making computers here and don't expect it to come anywhere near ramrod's behemoth...;))

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Well that coolermaster centurion has had good reviews :tu: :)

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i can tell you are jealous :p: i knew that stacker case would be too big for you....

incidentally, where have you found is the cheapest place for components, or is it a case of haunting kelkoo until one place drops its prices slightly lower than the others?

i've used scan because i have used them before and trust them, wonder if there is anywhere cheaper... :scratch:

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Nice case choice I know someone else with one and he loves it.

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It's a great size......components stay nice and cool and it's got foam air filters on the intakes so the innards stay clean as well :tu:

Dabs were the cheapest for most of my components iirc and overclockers were good for avalability...

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It is easy to spend way too much on a case/PSU and what are you getting? Fancy set of lights on the fan? (chich you can't see as it's under the desk), but I guess buying case/PSU separately it's simpler to buy a replacement PSU, if required, to a 'standard' pattern.

Last case I bought was because my PSU died, so I went to Maplin and bought their £45 (thereabouts) all-in case/PSU - 450W, so enough for my needs - at the moment.

Motherboard and future-proof in the same paragraph? Pointless, in my opinion. After a year, two at the most, the technology will want you to get new gear. So, better to buy a good solution for now that allows you to upgrade in 2 years time, than a brilliant solution that you'll hate in 3 years because it's hopelessly out-of-date, but you can't afford to change cos it cost so much!

Lots, and Lots and LOTS of memory. Fast and reliable (i.e. avoid whacky new technology only 3 months old.) And since the disk(s) will be almost certainly 100Gb minimum, you're going to have a job keeping it backed up, so I'd recommend buying 2 (or more) and getting a mobo that supports RAID - that way you don't need to panic when one drive expires. (BTW - don't buy all drives the same make - just in case you get 3 from one batch and they all fail the same day!)

Have fun - I think system design/build is great fun. Soon as I got one built I want a new one. :)
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:rofl: re-read my post :D

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Really save hard and buy an AMD X2 :drool:

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Ah - you mean 'Overclockers' the well known (but not to me, clearly) purveyors of computing materiel. :dozey:

It was the lack of capitalisation that had me read the alternate meaning of what you said...

Guess that's blown my credibility...

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nope - takes a good person to admit a misunderstanding :tu:

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That is a great case I have just built my Dad a new Athlon 64 3000+ system using that centurion case, its really cool.

Dave try www.aria.co.uk for cheap components. Usually if you see it anywhere cheaper contact them they will check it out and sometimes drop their prices. built the full system and mine from parts bought there.

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I do think the PSU is worth spending some decent money on. Admittedly, you don't have to spend >£100 to get a good one, but I'll always steer clear of the real cheap stuff now. I've had 2 go bang (a cheap one supplied with the case, and a cheap replacement I bought), and almost take out other stuff with them. Since then, I've always bought decent branded PSU. Currently using Antec - not the crÃÃâ€*’¨me de la crÃÃâ€*’¨me, but not bad for my usage.

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hence my lower budget :) i don't think having a rolled steel case will cause any problems over an all-aluminium one, other than that the postman might hate me a bit more ;)

future-proofing to an extent anyway :) the next big step up i see for technology is BTXing things, I can't see me needing to do that to be honest. I meant futureproofing in the sense of having lots of expansion room... SATA may well go out of fashion in the future but that means components will be cheaper, and I have the potential for 8 drives on this system.

I have lined up to have 2GB of memory in this system. For those of you that are familiar with CAD systems, they are very resource hungry ;) i use delcam at the moment but will be trying out other things in the near future. This runs fine at uni on athlon mp2500 dual processor systems with 1gb ram. That motherboard I am looking at supports all the relevent RAID configurations, am I right in assuming that though more expensive, RAID1+0 is the safest? (for big capacity)

Well I used to have a summer job building machines, and I regularly take apart and tinker with the htpc so I think i am more than qualified to give a static shock to everything :) it is very fun, though last time i was in a case I got blood all over the motherboard... (sharp edges cut finers, dont you know ;))

haven't thought of there actually. Just had a look, they seem to do monitors cheaply and have a good special section :)

The htpc here has an antec truepower 380W supply in it. It's silent as a grave... I don't want to spend too much on a power supply, obviously it is the most important part of the system, but I don't want to be spending silly money on these fancy modular systems with 6 fans and a built in jukebox, and whatnot...

If i set up a donation fund here, how many would contribute? ;) :p:

I am looking at a A64 3200+ at the moment. Has the right balance of power and speed and price... That may change though, depending on how many earthquakes there are in the near future :)
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I need to get shares in overclockers.co.uk - the upgrade I've done has cost a packet! Never had a problem with them or their couriers either.

Now have
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer core) S754
ASUS K8V SE Deluxe - with onboard everything, 5 PCIs, 8 USBs
768 MB PC2700 - the fastest my old board would take, plan to upgrade to 1 GB PC3200 soon...
NVidia GeForce FX 5200 with 128 MB onboard RAM - again, planned upgrade here...
Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum - no upgrade here (pwns)
Wireless 54g adapter
Pinnacle TV card (will upgrade, when I can get one that receives all 4 analogue and digital radio and TV broadcasts)
DVD and CD writers, FDD (why do I still have this?)
250 GB SATA HDD with 16 MB cache- this absolutely flies - partitioned 60, 60, 120 ish
120 GB ATA HDD with poor cache that I've only kept because I'm too lazy to reformat - partitioned 60, 60
Nice looking case which is about £30 at Savastore.com with cool window in the side and about two million lights, all the fans sound like flying on a 747 :(
That's about it (just fancied showing off now I have a PC worthy of at least some street cred)
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Don't I know it. Nursing a plaster on a finger now from today's upgrade and a fight with my graphics card.

Lost a similar fight with the sound card doing a routine clean out and remove/reseat about six months ago. Both pulling out a molex...

Previous lame injury was a paper cut off the cardboard box my new processor came in. I'd cut the little plastic seal with scissors and put my finger under the edge to open it...

PCs should carry a health warning... and the only thing I wear static bands for is changing RAM and CPUs. I've not fried anything - yet - and I've been playing inside PCs for a number of years... *touches wood*

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you would hate me.... never used one. three of the pins on the htpc's sempron are bent out of shape too and it works...

i use the "sledgehammer" school of pc building ;)

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I don't see the point in them really.

As for the sledgehammer school, I subscribe to the "if it's in the right slot, and it's reasonably aligned, cane it till it's in" school. ;)

Your cpu... :o

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Cant do that with a AMD 64 Chip pins bend way to easy :)

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that's what i did... didn't notice the notch they put on one corner... :erm:

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That's what I always check. Anything else, I try and ram, especially PCIs which you know are true. RAM is slightly more tricky.
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i know how to do it, i just wasn't paying attention.... but hey, i only crushed 3 pins and it still works ;)

the worst thing i have ever had to do is seat SIMM memory. boy, that is a bitch... :erm:

i don't like your signature btw :p: leave poor huddersfield alone ;)

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You don't support them, do you? ;) :erm:

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the mc alpine (i refuse to call it galpharm *shudder*) is 10 mins drive from me. it's my duty :)

ANYway, to get this thread slightly back on topic, i have purchased:

NEC 3540 DVD Writer
16 in 1 internal memory card reader

People might think I'm doing this in a funny order.... but the more "serious" components, I am holding back on for the moment, in the hope that prices drop slightly :)

Also, until my student loan arrives :angel:

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Lol. Well, you better hope we win another game (long shot), because that's the "win list" for the season.

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you could put a lose list up :)

or don't the forum rules allow such long sigs? ;)

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We beat you. :P

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I dropped a 939 about 2 inches onto the motherboard and bent a whole row of pins and some. Spent hours with a stanley knife straighening them. Over a year later the machine runs fine still :)

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cool. I normally just take mine out the packet and straight into the socket...

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Yeah it was just one of those hand fisted momemts ;)
I know its off topic but ill ask anyway,has anyone ever had a P4 weld itself to the heatsink so when removed the chip comes with the heatsink but the retaining clip is still closed .Scary moments making sure no pins were left in socket i tell you :Yikes:

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yeah, my laptop does this. regularly. (take my laptop apart to dust it, its one of the dells with a vacuum cleaner instead of a fan ;))

the heat spreader seems stuck to the heatsink/heatepipe, i pulled it out on more than one occasion before :erm: :disturbd:

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bumping this back to the top...

my case came today, coolermaster centurion 5 black and metallic blue, looks very very smart :)

also, a black dvd writer to go in it. that was a novelty, dabs decided to send it in a box 2 and a half feet long and 1 and a half feet wide... i'm all for safe packaging and everything, but come on :erm:

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Post a pic, Dave :)

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as requested...

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20001.jpg
this had a standard size internal dvd writer in it. to give you an idea of size, that label is about 7 inches tall...

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20002.jpg
case box, and shoes. Size 11...

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20003.jpg
http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20004.jpg
case. And monkeys.

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20005.jpg
backside... many many slots, that's a 12cm fan. there is a 8cm fan at the front too, behind all the mesh.

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20006.jpg

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20007.jpg

http://www.davestones.com/Centurion/Centurion%20008.jpg

inside.

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W00t. That box...

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Ive got a system going out to a customer this week in the black and silver case the same as yours.Very nice case to work with indeed

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I have built a system for my dad using that case in black and silver, its really nice am tempted to get my self one as well. :-)

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Looks nice. I`ve just ordered the little 531 (silver).

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Dave, if you were going to assassinate someone you could hide their body in that case .... do Raistlin first so there'll not be enough room for me ;)

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you think i couldn't squeeze you both in, jerrfrey dahmer-esque? :p:
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Still not as big as my case :PP: :D

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The bigger the case the smaller the ........ :angel:

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who wants one that big though :p: waste of space ;)

as if you are ever going to have 12 drives..... ;)

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Ive got 8 and I do see a day I could run 12 ;)

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ermmmm.......I'm probably getting 2 more soon......grand total of 4 then :D
...my case has room for 2 PSU's :disturbd:

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You saw my set up at the lan 3 sata and 1 ide drives forced to be external as no room in case

How would you use 2 psus in a standard set up???

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ego? :D
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I felt like I should offer to swap cases with you :D

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I like my Lian li but to buy a big enough case its 150 notes :bigcry:

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And I am happy with my tiny Mesh tower.

Does the job just luverly.

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You'll have to choose between hiding our bodies and having that extra PCI card ....
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the MB i am looking at has integrated 7.1 sound, so wont need a sound card ;)

if i trap you behind the paper wall i won't need to do any body hiding :p: you will be in the flat 2 dimensions so no one will see you ;)

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... amount of desk/floor space? :angel:

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6th one down.....£105 and you just know it's big enough :D

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bumpty bumpty bump...

i bought one of these :)

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=158259

photos upon delivery... :)

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cant be bothered to re read thread lol what chip you chucking at it an X2 I hope ;)??? make sure you buy the right psu dude :)

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it's an in-production system, i'm buying it on the instalment plan :)

it currently has NEC 3540 DVD writer and coolermaster centurion case.

it is going to have an athlon64 X2 in it :) (albeit one of the cheaper ones, i am aiming for the 4200+...)

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I hate you,your not allowed to have one before me ok ;) make sure you spend plenty on a good psu :)

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processor is next :p:

long time coming though, student loan comes in on the 26th :drool:

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Pooh your gonna beat me. Buy the 4400 at least you may as well pay the extra and get the 1mb cache :tu:

Not to rain on your parade but I would have bought a crossfire board :LOL:

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I wouldn't. Bought the board used from someone i know, don't get a backplate or wiring but it is in full working order.... £45 :D

don't see any crossfire boards for that price ;)
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it's gona turn out very expensive this machine, hence the instalment plan in case anyone was wondering. this is what is specced out initially...

-- case *check*
-- dvd writer *check*
-- floppy drive/memory card reader
-- motherboard *check*, bargain too :D
-- processor (athlon64 x2, 4200 or 4400, depending on how far i can stretch)
-- hard disk (2xsomething, sizewise doesnt matter so much as all the important stuff is on a 300gb pata drive)
-- memory (clueless here)
-- 2x17" tft monitors, and adequate graphics to power them

:erm:

no i ain't willy waving, it is all essential to my work, honest ;)

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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...mmer_Sale.html

1st or 3rd ram down ;) pref the 1st as its an overclockers dream

and you still aint mentioned psu

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Bah, I hate you, Dave... not only are you a student (and everyone hates students... even current students hate other students when they're no longer students themselves :D ) but your PC spec looks :drool:

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don't you just pay over the odds for the flashy LEDs on corsair memory though? ;)

incidentally about overclocking, i read somewhere today that the x2 3800 can be overclocked with a stock heatsink to "good" performance...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=229&pid=3

not something i would try out but for those of you into overclocking and cheapness... :p:
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i get £1100 a term student loan and £400 a month wages... not having to pay a mortgage etc definitely helps ;)

oh, and zinglebarb, seeing as you love powersupplies so much, recommend me one... i don't understand the difference between a 550W ebuyer special value and a 550w modular doohickey with flashing fan LEDs and braided cables... :erm: *realises he has no idea what he is on about*

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The first ram does not have flashy lights. Its all about latency and the Corsair is 2.5 at the highest the first ram will run with tight timings at a higher frequency than regualar low latency ram.


any of these except the lower powered model http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Tagan.html

also look at these http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Hiper.html

The differences is stable voltages and enough oomph to cover the gfx power requirements multiple hard drives etc

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I think thats the one KP's got...

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does that mean it's better than yours? :p:

or does he have the premium one? lol

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bump bump bump.... motherboard arrived this morning, all installed now, sans backplate :)

found some cheapy ones on ebay though so that isn't a problem...

one step closer...

if anyone knows where i can get 17" tft monitors cheaply i'd appreciate it :angel: used doesn't matter so much, i don't mind the odd dead pixel here or there so long as the monitors match ;)

edit: apologies about the bad picture quality, they were taken with my phone. I seem to have misplaced all my miniUSB cables so can't get any off my digital camera :(. I had 5 of those cables lying around too... :disturbd:

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www.aria.co.uk for cheap tft's

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and, can anyone recommend the best display combination to have? for example, would 2x15" suffice, or would 2x15.4" widescreens be better, or go for 2x17"? I'm thinking 2x17" might be a bit overkill... I need the width more than anything :)

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2x 17 for the single fact of viewspace other monitors being smaller would end up with less screen space and more squinting to view the smaller stuff.

I saw two 17's be nice.
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Well that is what I am using now lol a 17inch tft with a 17inch crt and its lovely to use.

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Well for a start its not much good is it? You see that white/cream square???? Should have a CPU in there and those long thin slots should have some ram in..........didnt go to pc world did you? lol


Nah seriously though looks like you made a tidy job so far.

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this is a special protoype with invisible components :p:

i only go to pc world to buy paper (cheaper than the stationery shop nearby) ;) i have enough nollidge about computers to know to stay away :shocked:

anyway for all you know i could have a bucket of paint that makes things invisble sitting here ;) :disturbd:

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:rolleyes: :erm: :angel:

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What???? I was making an observation lol


Just been looking myself, dunno whether to build from scratch, buy new or upgrade.
I currently have:-
Athlon XP 2400
Asus NF7 NForce 2 Motherboard
1024Mb DDR 2100 Ram
128 Mb Geforce FX 5200
Single layer DVD burner
80Gb and 40Gb Hdd's

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Build from scratch best way for it. Get exactly what you want that way.

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build from scratch, is much more enjoyable and you can cherry pick specs/components to your choice :)

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over the space of a few months ;) :D

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what about these?

Linky

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29th is the next date, thats when the government give me £1000 :p:

it's going faster than i expected anyway... at this rate it should be easily finished before christmas :)

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Leave the cpu till last thats the most likely to drop in price over the next couple of months

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up next is the power supply, i am holding off the graphics cards and cpu as long as i can. so, psu then ram, then screens, then hdds, then processors...

oh, that sounds like a long way to go :(

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I may well beat you to dual core I got a buyer for my 3800 amd64 ;)

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i will have the bargain though :p:

tortoise and hare, and all that ;)

btw, what is the advantage of say this ram: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/GeIL_ONE.html

over the ones you linked earlier, http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...mmer_Sale.html ?

or is it just more expensive? I'm making the rash assumption that the lower the "cas" number the better :erm:

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well theretically the Geil should perform better.I like corsair,You are correct the lower the latency the better. The Geil although rated at ddr400 says it runs at cas 2.5 at ddr500 so should be good.

Please take note that Geil state that its rated and tested only on the DFI mobo,Looks like it may be fussy

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you dissed PC World, it's not *that* bad...

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:Yikes: its :sick:

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Err no it's not, it's aimed at n00bs yes, but there are some good deals on there.

The staff can be a bit of a mixed bag and the Coverplans are mis-sold by the staff who are probably on commission, but as I said, it's not that bad.

For a high street PC store, it's about as good as it gets.

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i don't know any other high street computer stores now to be honest...

incidentally, the pc world business section is quite good for ordering obscure/hard to find things sometimes...

i have nothing against pc world, all i use them for is paper which they sell cheaply :)

personally i find it much friendlier etc than dixons, which is part of the same group... the cctv man that sits on a pedestal by the entrance is reallly intimidating though :erm:

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I look around for the best/most convenient deal. If that's PCW that's fair. if that's an online retailer that's fair.

Some of the staff are plebs but that's the same as anywhere, plus you can usually spot them. And the PCs are reasonably good quality- check out the latest Packard Bell iPower 6800 SLI http://www.packardbell.co.uk/product...ber=PB28300501 w00t!

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costs £1400 for the base unit, that

the graphics are one thing i'd be dubious about, they aren't very clearly stated:

and on the pc world website it doesn't mention 1 or 2 or if they are SLI...

still doesn't sound bad though :)

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Well I wouldn't personally get it, because it's not much better than what I currently have or want, and because of the Tattoo/Recovery Media / Bundled issue, but I wouldn't have any probs recommending it as a decent machine.

It was only an example anyway.

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Ignoring what i have posted up above, the next thing i will be getting is the disk drives... but i have a question. (again... :erm: )

my motherboard apparently supports standard SATA and also SATA-300. My question is simply, would it be better to get a pair of these:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/produ...oductID=265758

or these:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/produ...oductID=265764

Ignoring the storage capacities, as faster load times are required for large files, which would be the best performing? SATA-300 seems to have double the data throughput of regular SATA but would that matter, due to the lower spindle speeds? Do the two counterbalance each other and have no obvious advantages over each other?

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seeing as your spending loads maybe Stripe 2 36 gig raptors and run OS off that,then run a sata II for storage ;)

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just to keep this up tp date, it now has two of these inside it:

http://www.aopen.nl/Products/vga/aeo...00gt-dv128.htm

:) next step is the hard drives... :erm:

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trying to resist the urge to say why ;) how much did the 2 of them cost??

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why? cos. ;)

i don't play much games and so forth, rollercoaster tycoon 3 is about as far as i will stretch this system gameswise...

£155 for the pair ;) in the reviews i read there don't seem to be much differences in performance between these and other equivalent cards... :erm:

there's a fine line between functionality and cost that i am hovering about... i don't see any functionality being sacrificed here, and i can always upgrade at a later date...

got your X2 yet? :p:

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nope im a tad mixed up about how im best gonna do it. Seen a budget board with pci e and proper agp not the fake slow bus in this weeks micromart for 45 quid so I could do it and wait for gfx upgrade.It also comes with a slot that will take a daughterboard that will fit a m2 cpu .Oh I just dont know ;)

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seems like quite a random way of doing it...

anyway, just bought these:

1 LN 580W HiperPower Type-R Modular Black PSU Quiet Dbl Fan aPFC ATX2.2 20/24 Pin £49.99 £49.99

1 LN Microsoft Wireless Desktop Comfort Curve Design Keyboard Mouse V3 £25.49 £25.49

1 LN Mitsumi FA404M 1.44 Black FDD+Int USB2 7 in 1 Card Reader (SM/MMC/SD/CF/MD/MS) Fits in 3.5" FDD Bay £10.49 £10.49

coming together slowly :)

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good choice on the psu :)

Random yes but I will sell it on latter. I currently have a x800 xt pe AGP so an upgrade to a pci board would be expensive,I also want crossfire which would mean a choice between Saphire or Saphire at the mo and no crossfire gfx cards yet (last looked last week so could be out of date info)

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crossfire still not out? that's a bit rubbish. hope it's worth the wait ;)

my loan came in today and i also got paid today, so thought i would splash out a bit :p: plus the psu was cheapness in one of those today-only offers, so is all good ;)

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sorted :)

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ramping up the pace of this now... aside from the stuff i just ordered above which i have to trek to the citylink depot to pick up tomorrow (lousy delivery company, claim 2 failed deliveries *grumbles*) i have just bought this:

1 x AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ S939 OEM

in your face zinglebarb :D