Ann Widdecombe has died, murder suspected
 

Ann Widdecombe, the former Tory minister, has died
Ann Widdecombe, the former minister, MP and MEP, has died aged 78, her representative says.


https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...arage-12593360


Former MP and MEP Ann Widdecombe dies aged 78
The former minister, MP and MEP Ann Widdecombe has died aged 78.

A long-time Conservative politician, she later joined the Brexit Party in 2019, which then became Reform UK.

She also gained public attention for her time on BBC's Strictly Come Dancing.

Widdecombe was born in 1947 and entered parliament in 1987 representing the seat of Maidstone in Kent.

She had previously served as a councillor and worked for the Conservative Party.

Under John Major she was an employment minister and then prisons minister.

Widdecombe stood down from parliament in 2010, as the Tories returned to government.

She then re-entered politics in 2019 as a Brexit Party MEP.

In the 2019 general election, she stood again for Westminster in the seat of Plymouth Sutton and Devonport for Nigel Farage's party, but she finished a distant third behind the Tories and Labour.

Thats very sad.. Alot of ppl are leaving us :(

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Icon. RIP

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Police investigate circumstances of Ann Widdecombe's 'suspicious' death amid fears she was murdered at Devon home

I hope this isn't true..

https://www.dailymail.com/news/artic...bes-death.html

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Interesting development.

Pretty sure that the lunchtime news said that she was 70, but everyone else says 78.

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Oh no!

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Breaking: POLICE have launched a murder probe following Ann Widdecombe’s tragic death and are looking for a “white male”.

The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/397143...ce-suspicious/

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Yep, on the BBC site as well, without the annoying "pay to display".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

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Police statement 26 year old white British male arrested on suspicion of murder

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Lots of complete nonsense removed.
If you cant post respecfully then dont post at all.
If I have to remove any more the member will take a short break.

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They have since been released.

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Not just released, but the police made a point of saying that they (whoever they were) is no longer being investigated. So not just a case of ‘insufficient evidence’ but more, ‘we are convinced that this person had nothing to do with it’.

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Indeed. This evenings news has just said that they are looking for a white male.

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Another arrest

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Police said on Radio 4 today that the reason that it was being treated as a murder wasn't initially mentioned was because they wanted to tell her family first, as is protocol.

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This is so sad, Why oh why !

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She was very security conscious, so must have either known or was expecting the man that arrived. They either flipped and turned on her for some reason or wanted something from her that she refused to give. She's the type of person that wouldn't just roll over and give in and, unfortunately, paid with her life.

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How about less speculation, and wait for actual facts. :sleep:

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As requested by Police, 2 minutes 10 seconds in

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You don’t know this - this is rampant speculation bordering on fantasy…

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Quite right, as of now we know nothing about this case - it’s equally likely she was killed by little green men from Mars! Basically all we know now is that she is dead, and there is sufficient evidence to treat it as a 'suspicious death’, no more, no less.

I believe that the police have asked people to not make spurious comments or speculations on social media; they are not helpful, could well be distressing to her friends and family - fat chance that that request will be heeded, as we have seen in this very thread. Paul has (rightly) removed some posts which had just veered off into complete fantasy.

By all means have your own theories, but at least ground them in logic, base them on what is known and published.

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Posts deleted - final warning, drop the nonsense in this topic.

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Counter terrorist police have now taken the lead in the investigation.

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this case just changes by the day

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It did seem odd to rule out terrorism when they hadn’t got a suspect and presumably a complete idea of his/her motives.

Some of the inability to properly pay respects or follow the old adage if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all online has been quite grim.

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I agree. It's not unusual to arrest someone quickly and then to release them but to exclude terrorism so early on with no on charged seemed counter to their own request not to speculate.

But easy to say from the side lines.

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Agreed on both counts.

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I've seen wildly varying reactions from people saying they were glad about what happened to people saying that they were very sad.

A lot of comments seem to be dependent on political allegiances (I have friends right across the political spectrum). Those on the far right seem to think that it was done by the left and those on the left seem to think it was done by the right to silence her.

More moderate people have expressed their condolences, even those who didn't agree with her political beliefs.

Ann herself was a great believer in free speech and said (upon the death of John Smith) that it was "absurd" to suddenly heap praise on someone's political views just because they had passed away'.

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I've seen lots of nonsense posted, some of it on here.

Lets stick to facts, rather than wild speculation, this isnt twitter or facebook.

Yes very sad if someone indeed did this to her...

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In fairness John Smith died before performative mourning became a thing, around 1997.

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The suspect in the brutal murder of Ann Widdecombe had Russian communist literature and other political ideology at his home, it has been claimed. In a dramatic escalation, counter-terrorism officers yesterday took over the investigation into the death of the former Tory minister and Reform UK spokesman, with the killing being treated as a suspected politically motivated terrorist attack.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/22...ist-literature


interesting development if true

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Very. Russia seems to want to stir up trouble in the west by murdering people and using bots to post inflammatory comments on social media.

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The Express and the word true are rarely used in the same sentence. And why suddenly is everyone and everything bad “communist”?

Why not wait and see what the police say?

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It is another case of waiting. Obviously, 'Russian communist literature' gives some direction on the guy's political views, but it could be just part of a broader spectrum of political literature he has spanning ideologies. Ownership of political literature isn't always an indicator of support for that ideology. We would need to see what else is there, which we might not know for a while.

It's also not clear what it means. Is it full-on propaganda? A book about Russian communism? Literature written by a Russian communist?

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I also thought it was rather vague and could cover almost everything . . I'd also surmise many people in politics have read (or own) books that may be classed now as communist literature . . . all part of their University studies in Politics of course ;)

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Ann Widdecombe latest: Politician killed in 'targeted attack', counter terror chief says
Counter terror police say Ann Widdecombe was killed in a "targeted attack" and that officers are working to understand the motive. A 28-year-old suspect remains in custody for questioning.

https://news.sky.com/story/ann-widde...ation-13563394

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Appositely enough, Ann Widdecombe studied PPE* (Philosophy, Politics and Economics) at Oxford (Lady Margaret Hall, in her case).

*as did Harold Wilson, Edward Heath, David Cameron, William Hague, Lord Heseltine, Shirley Williams, Edwina Currie, Barbara Castle, David and Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Lord Mandelson, Jacqui Smith, Ruth Kelly, James Purnell, Nick Robinson, Toby Young, Robert Peston, Liz Truss, Ed Davey, Rishi Sunak, Nigel Lawson, Jeremy Hunt, and Rupert Murdoch…

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Not a surprise given what we know but: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ing-motivation

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Homosexuality was a strange one where she was concerned. A lot of the gay community disliked her because of her views, attempts to block gay rights and for saying that "one day science may produce a cure"! On the other hand, a lot of gay people say that she was the most polite right winger that they had ever spoken to and, despite her homophobic views, she had gay friends who she treated with courtesy & respect.

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It’s almost as if calling something -phobic and slinging it back in someone’s face as an insult is a deliberate avoidance tactic, intended to shut down discussion rather than to engage with someone whose views you strongly disagree with, isn’t it.

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Presumably her gay friends engaged with her and accepted her explanations or didn't, but could park them to one side in order to remain friends.

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It’s worth seeking out the comments of famous gay vicar Richard Coles, who has a level of maturity that permitted him to do precisely this.

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Smalltown Boy come good

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Bronski Beat song, not The Communards (Jimmy Somerville was in both bands).

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Who do you think played the Sax in Bronski Beat ?

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No idea, but not too sure what the relevance this has to the theme of this thread?

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Indeed, back to the topic please.

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Yes, i've read what he said and the prayer he said for her.

Ann really loved her cat and many were concerned about what had happened to him, so her management have put out a statement to say that he was quickly removed from the scene and is being well looked after whilst her family decide what to do long term.

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Nuanced, rather than black and white…

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she may have a will that provides for the cat in the event of her demise

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They should show the cat her body, animals understand death, if it doesn't see her then the cat will think she has abandoned it

Lovely words from a decent man

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XThey did say that Aloycius 'was removed from the scene', so I think he must have been there when she was attacked (unless he came in when the carer or somebody opened the door and found out what had happened). I agree with you that animals understand death and that it's best to show them the body so that they can process this.

He is a good man, I have a lot of time for the Rev Richard Coles.

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The Aberdeen University worker who made inappropriate comments about the death of Ann Widdecombe has now been arrested & charged. This is what happens when the luxury of free speech that we are privileged to enjoy is abused.

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Free speech is not a luxury or a privilege. It is a basic right, which we accept is legally qualified for the good order of wider society.

Be careful what you categorise as luxuries Richard. Those are the things the state can most easily argue cannot be afforded and should be removed.

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I meant when comparing the UK to some other countries that don't enjoy our level of free speech.

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There is no real concept of ‘free speech’; anything you say or post can have ‘consequences’. The sometimes mentioned case of ‘shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre’, if it were to result in panic and deaths, you absolutely would be in legal trouble, both here and in the US, and probably in most jurisdictions.

It’s a case of balance, what would the proverbial ‘average person’ thinks is maybe distasteful but fine, if that’s what they believe. The comments made by the person in question about Ann Widdecombe, at least in my opinion, went well beyond that, if true, then they were disgusting and I would not want such a person working with me, or for an institution that my child may be attending, or being funded by my taxes.

I think, rightly, that ‘free speech’ has to be deliberately vague. This person has, I believe, been charged - presumably will end up in Court and a jury will decide if what they said is OK or not.

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I don't really think it should go to a jury to decide whether she is 'ok or not'. It's not 'ok' for her to have said that. It was horrible. But it shouldn't be a criminal offence. The only time I think speech should be criminalised is if it's direct abuse to someone (i.e racially abusing someone) or an incitement to violence.

Saying horrible things about someone upon their death gives a way of what kind of person you are, but I don't see why it should be literally illegal.

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Him.

“Heather” Herbert is a man.

*His* behaviour on social media is classic male pattern aggression. It is demeaning to attribute his behaviour to that of a woman. Violence, and threats of violence, are overwhelmingly a male problem and arrest/charge/conviction statistics are skewed unhelpfully if we pretend that we cannot name things for what they are.

This is a picture of him. His name is Scott.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1784230127

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Damien, hypothetically we meet up in person, and I tell you to your face that I ‘hope your mother/father/child dies screaming in agony from cancer’? Would you a) just accept it as my opinion; or b) punch me very hard in the face?

I suspect b), which actually makes YOU the criminal here. Yes OK you could probably claim you were provoked and get a reduced fine. But think about it, I have ‘said some words’ that have provoked you to commit a criminal act.

Is that OK?

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A trans-woman, him, her, whatever. Either way a particularly unpleasant human being.

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A “trans-woman”, so called, is a man who thinks he is, or wishes he was, a woman. Nobody is under any obligation to believe him or pretend that he is. In certain circumstances it is actively unhelpful to entertain the delusion. I maintain that in the realm of crime, or any other in which official statistics are important, accuracy is essential.

Obfuscating reality by choosing to say ‘her’ while we all know it’s a ‘him’ is not conducive to the flourishing of society.

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I don't think I could or should get you arrested. I kind of think it's one where I should get no criminal conviction because you were asking to be punched in the face.

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Yes, we don't have the absolute right to say whatever we feel like without any possible consequences. The offending comments were said before it was known it was a murder, but even if it had of been death by natural causes, it was still an unpleasant thing to say.

Once the death was confirmed as being a murder, the perpetrator refused to apologise.

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In fairness I would do what every snowflake does and shout leave me alone I feel in danger your words are an assault "OFFICER".

Assault does not have to include any contact just the impression and fear that contact could occur. 2026 = a country of nancy boys in more ways than one

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As some Twitter wag observed this morning, Scott “Heather” Herbert uses FOI requests the way other people use Google. He has quite a record.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/...herbert?page=1

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Why should it be an arrestable offence? This is the police turning up at your house to arrest you for saying something offensive, no incitement to violence, just people being nasty online.

I am all for platforms banning trolls/nasty people, but there is a whole other level to facing criminal proceedings and all the stress and consequences that come with it.

The law needs to change on some of this stuff.

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It does. But perhaps the law needed to be seen for what it is first. It has been misused against people who, you might say, are critics of the new State religion of Ekwalitee and Diversitee, wantonly and outrageously over the past couple of years. Graham Linehan being arrested by armed police at Heathrow and questioned for hours being an egregious recent example (Linehan wasn’t even charged in that case, and the Met has just had to pay him £25k compo).

Now it’s being used against one of the poster girls boys of EDI, a middle-aged man in a dress, who said hurty things about a right-wing politician, suddenly we’re up in arms about how draconian this all is.

Funny, that.

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People were up in arms then as well, just a different set of people.

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Indeed.

The Free Speech Union has offered to assist Herbert if he reaches out to them, even though much of their caseload comes from those getting persecuted for knowing that men in dresses are, in fact , still men (and Herbert’s highly visible online activities suggest he’s enthusiastically involved in that).

I am seriously considering joining the FSU myself.

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It's called incitement. Because the comments encourage others to carry out attacks on other people with similar views as Ann Widdecombe. And her murder may well be an example of that.

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I think we need to be careful as to what qualifies as incitement. Posting negatively about people could cause someone of unsound mind to resort to violence, but I don't think that is enough. The standard needs to be whether a reasonable person reading the statement would think it's encouraging or promoting violence. Additionally, maybe lying about someone in a way that might encourage violence against them (such as saying 'Mr FakeName at 123 Fake Street is a nonce') would qualify.

If you start making random connections between a negative statement and violence, then you could justify arresting all sorts of people. To give an example, there is a trend in politics to call other democratically elected politicians 'traitors'. I hate this. I think it sours political discourse and is dangerous in that it amps tensions and hate, which in turn could lead to political violence. After all, real traitors have often been met with violence. But I don't think that it should be an arrestable offence. If they were to start putting mentions of violence as well as calling people traitors, then it would be.

We need to start from a place where there needs to be a high threshold to meet for the police to visit you and arrest you. I would imagine that's a traumatic experience (not to mention a waste of police time).

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Saying they're glad a particular person is dead because of X, is clearly incitement.

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It clearly means they’re a deeply unpleasant person. But in what way does being glad about something demonstrably incite someone else to do anything criminal?

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Seen many posts in various places by people wishing Putin was dead, and would be happy to see it . . . can't remember seeing any of them subsequently arrested.

Context and circumstances I guess

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Further discussion and speculation on X this morning suggests this actually isn’t about the Widdecombe tweet any more. Herbert lives in Scotland and seems to have been charged under the SNP/Green rather draconian Hate Crime & Public Order(Scotland) Act 2021. It seems unlikely that the tweet would breach that Act, however, once the spotlight is turned on some of his other activities, they’re … unpleasant. And quite possibly offences under that Act. He is part of a trans extremist group called Bash Back whose demands for direct action against critics of gender ideology are concerning. He’s also associated with people who believe that ‘If people don’t show love … show bullets.’ Charming.

Of course whether that Act itself is a reasonable piece of legislation or a draconian attempt at legislating to enforce a certain sort of left-wing social discourse in Scottish society is another matter.

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Incitement to do what exactly ?

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The ‘further consideration’ undertaken by Polis Scotland seems to have led them to charge him based on things other than his tweet about Widdecombe. That tweet brought him to their attention, whereupon someone clearly went WTAF and started taking these fools seriously.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...hared-37435488

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Herbert appears to have been attracted to women (female partner) before identifying as female. This doesn't appear to have changed, so they have by default also changed their sexuality from straight to lesbian.

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Do you realise how offensive that is?

Lesbianism is a sexual attraction, not a skinsuit or an ineffable identity. Same sex attraction is physiological, you can measure it in a laboratory.

A male attracted to a female is heterosexual. Herbert is a man, he fancies women. He is not a lesbian.

we truly live in the stupidest timeline that we have to deal with this nonsense.

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Has he removed his manhood?

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Herbert is a man, by all legal and logical definitions, if HE is sexually attracted to females (women) then by definition HE is a heterosexual person.

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And I suspect it will get worse before it gets better..

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Don't know, some undergo gender reassignment and some don't, they just dress and identify as another gender.

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Enough of this, back to the subject.

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A neighbour has come forward and said that there was a car that she thought looked suspicious outside the property at around the time of the murder. She has acknowledged that it's probably nothing, but has informed the police just in case it can help.

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Pictured here for the first time, Joshua Kerry is accused of targeting the 78-year-old former Tory minister in her Devon home in a suspected terrorist attack.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/artic...es-murder.html

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Have the Mail might have strayed into dodgy legal territory in their haste to name him?

https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-la...tempt-of-court

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No, naming him isn’t a problem per se. Simply naming somebody does not compromise a subsequent trial. If charges proceed, and the guy ends up in court, we will all know his name anyway. The risk to the mail is mostly arising from the question, what happens if he’s not charged? they are open to a civil action for libel at that point. It is with that in mind that they have led their coverage with all the quotes from neighbours saying what a lovely unassuming guy he is. They are defending themselves pre-emptively against any claim that they have damaged his reputation.

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Remember that guy who was accused of murdering a woman, even arrested, on all the front pages and then it turned out to the lorry driver? That wasn't good.

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Christopher Jefferies? Jo Yates murder

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Yes, and these days, with that case very much in mind, newspapers are supposed to balance the right to privacy against public interest, under the provisions of the human rights act. But these are still civil matters, not criminal ones. Naming him doesn’t expose the mail to criminal charges or compromise his chances of a fair trial. It *might* be grounds for him to sue them, but again, really only if he’s not eventually charged/convicted, or else what detriment did he actually suffer?

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Nope, I dont remember that at all.

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The Lost Honour of Christopher Jefferies https://share.google/xv73XgSkOFJlWpCM8. Brilliant TV show made about it.

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Jo Yeats, murdered by Vincent Tabak, who was eventually tracked down and convicted but not before the police and then large sections of the British media named and then persecuted a man called Christopher Jeffries, whose only crime was being eccentric enough that they could paint him as a probable pervert.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25625572

This has become the ultimate case study in what can happen when the press name a suspect and why they probably shouldn’t without specific and good reasons.

The Mail is sailing a little close to the wind by naming Kerry which is most likely why they’re trying to sweeten the pill by talking about how well regarded he is rather than demonising him as many journos did with Jeffries.

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The Daily Express are running a theory from someone they say is a close friend of Ann Widdecombe. This friend states that Ann was about to make an explosive announcement that would rock the political establishment.

She also said that, if someone had knocked on her door and said "You're a fascist", she would have said "Don't be silly, come in and have a cup of tea whilst we discuss it".

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Enough of the unconfirmed speculation please.

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SkyNews: He's been charged by the CPS of murder said to appear in court tomorrow

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Made me teary reading that. Sorry.

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i hope they have hammers in prison

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Interesting that they've dropped the terrorism charges.

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There has to be reasonable suspicion of terrorism if she was singled out for the fact of being a politician. The evidential bar would be high though, and if they think it’s straightforward enough to go after him for murder, then that’ll be that.

A cynic might add that it is useful to hold someone on suspicion of terrorism because the police get a lot more time to hold someone in custody for questioning where terrorism is suspected. But they still would have to show that suspicion was reasonable.

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That being the case, why was someone else arrested ? Poor quality video ?
Thats seems unlikely these days, home security cameras are normally at least HD.

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Delay in getting access to the recordings? I do seem to remember seeing a quote from her that suggested she had cameras outside (the joke being that anyone wanting to steal her garden gnomes would need to wear a mask). Few people would have cameras setup in their home, for obvious reasons, so ‘caught on camera’, may not be quite what it sounds like.

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very easy to hide your ID on camera though. Why do you think so many youths are going around in hoodies and face masks. Well round here anyway. Does not matter how HD your camera is if all you can see is the eyes if that if they wear shades