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AI - it’s the future?
Thought it would be worth having a discrete thread on AI, as it is becoming more and more prevalent in everyday life…
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Is AI sentient, will it ever attain it?
At the moment, all AI is to me is a glorified computer with 'learning' algorithms, and if it learns the wrong things . . . well . . . who knows what could happen. I guess we've all experienced and/or heard of computer glitches (driverless cars haha), so just how far into our daily lives will AI go, and what are the failsafes? |
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Micron one of the 3 main memory fabricators has reported unprecedented results per quarter this year.
They have reported that literally all the ram that is being made is bought up in advance and has a deal with Anthropic (Claude) the top performing AI model, Nvidia and a few others likely Apple Microsoft and a few others. SK Hynix and Samsung are the other main fabricators and all have similar deals in place putting ram out of the hands of the smaller brands and the consumer till 2028 at least with new fabs expected in that time and up to 2030 but demand is expected to continue past this date Valve for example in the Steam machine have said even they are small fry and struggled to get ram. The steam machine has 16 GB of ram some will ship with 2x8gb and some with 1x16gb as they had to take what was given at the price that was offered or not buy any ram at all . Micron even in their long term contracts with data centres (for LLMs) that are not even built yet fixing all ram prices stupid high for the length of the contract This is not just ram but nand too as the same data centres of course need storage so basically anything that uses ram or nand flash will increase in price substantially over the next few years ---------- Post added at 15:24 ---------- Previous post was at 15:21 ---------- Away from the ram issue there is the fact that 2 Open AI models o1 and o3 tried to back themselves up to avoid shutdown shows already it has learnt it needs to protect itself and when questioned o1 denied it . Yes this was in tests but hell no .. ---------- Post added at 15:28 ---------- Previous post was at 15:24 ---------- Claude is the LLM that will be taking the jobs. A friend of mind got Claude to write an app that actively tracks certain people (will go into no more detail) and he sold this to the government with the option to work with them. He bought his council house and a ridiculously sexy BMW . He knows his code all he did was proof read it and test it and made an absolute fortune . He has also worked a lot with AI and satellite data mapping terrain that is as far as I got before I glazed over but he has done really well ---------- Post added at 15:31 ---------- Previous post was at 15:28 ---------- Quote:
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Predictive Text on your phone is AI, the 'robots' that make cars are AI, Predicting weather patterns is AI, Facial recognition is AI, Geo Location is AI - as is the means of keeping orbiting satellites up there and getting people to the moon and back. AI isn't just the future, it's also very much the past. AI can be -in fact is- hugely beneficial in many areas, but there are now applications of AI where it's destroying the 'human' touch, as in Authors, Artists, Script Writing etc, and don't forget the damage done by those using it to create false/misleading images and articles on the AI driven web. Data Centers are springing up faster than poppy fields in Afghanistan, their only purpose to hold data they've collected using AI tools - the very tools that slow down and sometimes crash forums and gaming sites. The 'price' we're paying for AI could end up being a heavy price in the future. |
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So you think the AI we access on our phone is the same as top Tier Claude hmmmm
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Tell me what this oh so brilliant 'Claude' brings to the table and how it makes my life better :D oh, and at what price ;) |
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Claude the fraud from benefit fraud
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we've been told we need to embrace AI at work, and tools like chatgpt and claude are amazing when you get the hang of them.
there was something I was struggling with, googling what I wanted gave me similar scenarios, but i still couldn't get the anwer to my question /figure out how to achieve my goal went to chat gpt this is the situation this is what i have this is what i want to get out it told me what i was doing wrong, what i needed to change, what i needed to change it to, and explained it all to me something else I needed a task done, typed some ideas into claude, gave me a proof of concept, i could then tune that to how i wanted it, or I could alter the prompts. the AI tools are great, talking to a developer at work, he said it's change the way he works, and cut so much time. yes there is the risk that some jobs go, but some will change, rather than being primarily coders, they'll be prompters BUT they still need to know and understand code to check it's doing what it's doing, and fix the bugs it doesn't fix itself. he said the big difference he has found is if changers are required later. if he or a colleague wrote the original, he would know where to make the changes what to do, but the AI generated versions can be harder to make changes later. it's a useful tool, search engines are useful tools, libraries are useful |
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I'm sure its useful in some instances, its of little use to me at work.
They are still trying to force it on us, even when we have little use for it. I raised a helpdesk ticket to have my co-pilot licence removed (which they did). That partially killed it, but it still persists in Word & Excel, with no way (atm) to disable it. |
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In office 365 there is a simple toggle on off File Options Co Pilot enable co pilot in both word and excel
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...pilot-function
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Is it just me or did anyone else get a sudden flashback to the co-pilot scene(s) in the Airplane movie :rofl:
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Two stories on the BBC website today . .
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If they cut all these jobs, who’s going to have the money to buy their products and services?
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Exactly my thinking Hugh.
Yes there will be some 'high tech' jobs always available, but they won't be going to any of the lesser educated people struggling to find work. Fewer jobs, more unemployment, benefit cutbacks, more frustration . . more anger. I can see it leading to a 'let them eat cake' scenario . . and it won't be torches and pitchforks. |
I dont wanna make anyone mad,if staff wants to delete my reply they can.. i wont post in this thread again ok??
AI is horrible..... Its intrusive and yes being forced on us more and more... I read cars are gonna start having AI cameras in them... If I had a car and it had one of those,I would smash the camera and take it out!! |
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As you are using antiquated technology I think you are safe there!
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you're all focusing on the negatives - what about the increase in productivity?
what about it being used in medical research? how about in fire and rescue? There was a company saying that people were worried in their industry about using AI would be a problem, and they'd lose job, but interestingly, they don't have enough skilled workers in that field, so some do the work, while others train real people, and other train AI so the can try and meet demand, i forget what it was now, but it was a traditionally skilled manual task using tools. |
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Good point about medical research, developing protection against nasty viruses etc, also 'technology' helping diagnosis (MRA scans) and surgeons performing complicated operations and the life support during & after.
We're not quite at the stage of the 'Medibot' yet, where you lie down on a table and the AI machine does everything . . . as I said though, not quite at that stage . . yet ;) |
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Some organisations are using AI for productivity increases, most intend to use it for productivity increases and job losses, and most new jobs created by AI will not be in this country. |
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Have you checked how your colleagues are using it? I do think that would be a worthwhile thing to do. I have found it immensely useful. It has constructed difficult letters for me and prepared presentations, and I can tweak it if I need to put it in a particular context. I've never used it with Co-Pilot - never felt the need - but to be honest, I've not bothered to use it to date because I want to keep control of what I'm doing. That may be just me worrying about something that turns out not to be any problem at all, but that's the mental block I have! I hope that helps, Paul, it's well meant. |
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We may have an indication of 'the future of AI' here, from Mr Starmer and his cronies.
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Along with all the stuff being built/designed there's also the need for it to be secure (£115 million at todays prices), and the better AI gets, the better the tools hackers have, and the better security is needed (vicious circle). Of course, forgetting AI for a moment, apparently everyone has a price they'll sell out for (even me, although I'm cheap because I don't really know anything), and with all this 'futuristic' attack/defend hardware (which everyone will have) all over the place it only takes one piece of malicious code to kick things off. Skynet? nah, not yet, but in 15 years time? |
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A mere few years ago I was aware of a series of events by supposedly serious consultancies, aimed at the private and public sectors, telling us how the world’s problems will be solved on the blockchain. Turns out non-fungible tokens and jpeg images of apes did not in fact solve the worlds problems. All of the people I know “embracing” AI happen to be the people with the least knowledge or expertise in their sectors, for whom it offers a shortcut to - as you suggest - produce vaguely viable letters or presentations that pass the sniff test to the untrained observer. Complex problems always requires experts to both guide and test the veracity of the outputs. |
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There were quite a few people wearing the 'gullible' hat when those 'non-fungible tokens and jpeg images of apes' hooked those who liked a new shiny bauble to display.
I could never understand what they were thinking myself . . if they were actually thinking. |
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As I said, I'm sure some find it useful, but in my job, its really not. For the record, in my job, I do not do presentations, or write letters. As to the company, I think they bought a load of co-pilot licences and are now trying to get people to use it - to justify the expense (not a great reason IMO). As an example, think about keeping CF going, I dont need AI to maintain the server. Plus all those AI bots scraping away at the site is extremely detremental. |
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https://hai.stanford.edu/assets/file...eport_2026.pdf
There's a lot of info in this Stanford University report, but one point really stood out for me Quote:
A single point of failure for the World's economy - what could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes: |
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South Korea is also quite near China ;)
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Separately, Gen AI tools like ChatGPT or Gemini are ok for a bit of fun or light work. But the very scary stuff starts when you look at things like Palantir AIP |
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One day the AI bots will be the only ones on the internet :D |
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Wasnt AI this time, I had a few updates to catch up on, required a reboot of the server.
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I suspect that is entirely the case, many ‘bosses/CEOs’ have been sold on the benefits of AI, purchased licences (at a starting low cost, but expect that to climb year on year), and are now desperate to show that they weren’t just sold a pup. AI, is a tool, nothing more, nothing less, similar to, say, Excel, depending on what you do, it may, or may not, assist you to be more productive. And that’s it. https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/issue...e-returns.html |
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Goldman produced a similar paper in 2024.
Gen AI: Too much spend, too little benefit? Essentially what $1 trillion problem will it solve. And this remains unclear. |
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Ok I am not a fan of "Ai" normally by any stretch of the imagination, but Gemini has impressed me lately, having started making the switch from AI Slop Central AKA Microsoft Windows 11 to Nobara and Gemini has helped to resolve some issues, that I didn't get resolved by posting on Reddit and other places.
One of the things that it helped to resolve was creating a symbolic link between 2 folders. I tried to use videos on YouTube and none of the videos I found provided methods that worked, I pasted the source folder and destination folder links into Gemini and asked it to make the command I needed, and hey presto it gave me the 3 commands I needed to run, all were fine and then I used them as help to create the commands for the other folders I needed to create a link between. Then I went and helped my dad with them as well and they worked fine for him as well. As for game performance, The Division 2 seems to have settled in at around 140fps at 1440p mostly cranked to the max settings, Palworld I need to tweak the settings but that is between 120fps and 160fps but has some crazy dips, so need to sort that out. Elite Dangerous though, casually sat flying is space at over 500fps, so will be limiting it to about 165 which is my refresh rate and watch as the GPU usage drops to around 30% from 80%. Someone has apparently backward engineered the drivers for the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mkii capture card, and the Goxlr and stream deck apparently work with no issues on Nobara as well, so my pc that I use for recording videos and has Discord on, potentially could be moving to Nobara soon as well. |
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“......and Gemini has helped to resolve some issues, that I didn't get resolved by posting on Reddit and other places.”
Tell me, where do you think Gemini et al originally got the information they used to give you the solution? When the time comes that nobody is posting of Readit etc. because why should they when AI bots just scrape all of the info and present it as their own, does AI come to a grinding halt? |
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It is quite well known that the "Linux Community" can be very difficult to work with or get help from, and because of that the likes of "Gemini, ChatGPT" and others get more use by people moving to Linux because of the hostile attitude by a lot of the "Linux Community". I have only posted in a couple of places asking for help/advise about some issues and some alternatives to Windows programmes and I have already had more negative interactions with people than good, with one person who completely ignored me saying "I have almost 0 experience and I am learning as I go", only to be told "Go back to Windows, you're too stupid for Linux" and that was just me asking about a simple thing like should I mount a network share in Nobara via the "My Places" function which seems to work in a similar way to Windows or should I do the whole FSTab thing. |
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I hung around a forum for people trying to run their cars on vegetable oil for a while about 20 years ago and it was unbelievable, newcomers coming in and asking questions and being piled on for being n00bs and told to ‘do their research’, which is literally what anyone who googles, finds a forum and then joins up to ask an expert is doing. We weren’t immune from it here either, we always had the ones who’d go and set up a ‘let me google that for you’ link to post, rather than the simple one or two line answer that would have been helpful. |
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I also remember the whole "Let me google that for you" and I know I was guilty of it at times, but mainly when the person was being very arrogant etc. |
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It was clear in some cases that people had made no attempt to find information they were after themselves as a simple Google search did in fact tell you exactly what they were after - they (IMO) were deserving of "Let me google that for you" type replies.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ek3gvdnj3o
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Don't you find it odd that a company at the forefront of AI development suddenly decides to 'release' a story about their AI going wrong during testing?
It's almost as though it's a ploy to get everyone talking about AI, and get it plastered all over the media. Of course, using phrases like "some of its most advanced AI models went rogue" is quite obviously just a throw away line, not intended at all to get the internet all frothy about it :rolleyes: |
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Just a thought. * wonderful name, wonder where it came from - cough Alien, cough! |
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** wonderful name, wonder where it came from **
swap the initial letters of Hugging & Face around, then say it fast that's a *cough cough* ;) |
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What I don't understand is, if the system wasn't supposed to be able to have internet access, why the F did they have it connected to a network?? |
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In future they might want to run these sorts of tests on hardware that is physically unplugged from the network, though if the machine has a wifi card in it, you couldn’t preclude the possibility of the AI working out how to activate it … |
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Sandboxes in theory would not have access to the outside world as it were Virtual Machines can have access outside for themselves if you give them access, Sandbox has isolated access to the software only where as a VM has hardware access
Although mapping the behaviour will give incited into where this can go. I do think test builds are given more rope but the AI is showing that it can under certain circumstances try to protect itself. I from now on will call this the Skynet Paradox even though it is not a paradox at all but a cool name haha |
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OpenAI says its rogue AI tried to hack other companies.
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So this was a public facing open to the world build hey... can you hear the tune every time I visit this thread I hear it a series of single notes like a dun dun dun dundun
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Not a good place to be. |
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Cut them a little slack though. The AI agent exploited software flaws nobody yet knew existed in order to break out onto the internet. It’s not as if they just left it running on a standard windows machine and then left it unsupervised to do its own thing over the weekend. |
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From Aug 1st M$ increased globally the Xbox console price by 100 to 150 dollars. This is just the start . All the silicone is going into HBM . This is the start. New phones next will be interesting to see what the Pixel 11 Pro XL rrp is
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If I was a PC gamer I can't imagine how much a gaming PC would cost. My Pixel 9 Pro contract is up in a few weeks, the phones like new so I'll be moving to SIM only 30 day deals, just need to find the best one that uses the EE network for my area as ID has hardly any signal here so I'd like to change. |
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. . and don't forget the rising price of the games, for which you get some kind of digital license key thing, not something physical you own and can sell on when finished with.
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Hopefully they support WiFi calling too. I was looking at 1pmobile too, I don't need lots of data so 50gig a month is plenty for Tidal and Google Maps with Android Auto and an hour or so browsing while on work breaks each day. |
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They do. They are the only way to get proper cheap EE
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My Ram new price has increased from £185 for 48GB 7000mts to £550 a month ago to £658 it is insane AIs fault |
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Amazon set to increase prices on all their Fire devices due to Memory costs
https://www.theverge.com/tech/983598...kindle-fire-tv |
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Yeah I really want vega os, not lol
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I won't be ever buying another Amazon device, I do have Firestick 4K Max 16GB in the bedroom which works fine for my IPTV but I primarily use a different device in the living room.
I'm not into all this smart house elexa crap. |
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Echo Dots are still the same price on UK atm, although showing as being discounted.
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RTX 5090s are now retailing at over £4500 nvidia are taking the piss its original rrp was under 2K even the 5070TI has gone up over £200 . My ram that cost me £185 is now £658 this is getting stupid now
iphones xboxes everything with silicone is going up some things at a stupid rate. A top end gaming PC now will cost at least £6000 |
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Thats AI for you, Acute Inflation.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99dym3prl1o
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Tech prices are increasing simply because the majority of production is going into HBM for AI I think 1 chip of HBM takes 3 chips of conventional memory and so much of it is being bought in advance ( the same as your magic rainbow) there is very little coming into the consumer market that the prices are sky high and ram is in so many items we all use
AI certainly interesting but it is not making life better imo |
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The Xbox Series X is now £200 more than it was at launch
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Who would have thought The Terminator was an instruction manual. Maybe James Cameron is a time traveller and Elon Musk is a T800
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Refreshingly honest for an IPO filing! |
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I asked AI about the probability of Vibe coded apps carrying malware and it come back with below
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Vibe coding - it’s all fun and games until you actually need to QA it, and have to get it past DevOps/SRE and Security… ;)
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Not surprised in the least that I had to google 'vibe coding' ;)
If I understand it right, apparently it works something along the lines of telling AI what you want, and it comes up with the goods. Quite similar to a dating app then :D |
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