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SnoopZ 24-11-2025 11:49

FTTP who to buy it from - Recommendations please
 
FTTP is finally available in my area!

For anyone who has experience with buying this please recommend a company to get it from, I want someone who isn't going to cause me grief if I use IPTV services etc(I want no limitations) and get the best kit.

Jaymoss 24-11-2025 11:53

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Sky do not tell you how much it is going to go up in April so you can get out of a contract/use this to keep the cost down after April or move to another deal. Remember your cashbacks and promos you could make on it haha

Also is it openreach or cityfibre someone else?

SnoopZ 24-11-2025 12:01

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36206845)
Sky do not tell you how much it is going to go up in April so you can get out of a contract/use this to keep the cost down after April or move to another deal. Remember your cashbacks and promos you could make on it haha

Also is it openreach or cityfibre someone else?

City fibre layed the cables but according to this site where I've been tracking it all Openreach is now LIVE, so I've got a good list of providers if I click on the city fibre link, I've clicked on Zen, Cuckoo and Sky and they say it's available, I'm likely to order in the New Year due to no holiday left at work.

https://bidb.uk/

Looking forward to ditching very expensive Virginmedia as I've not had the courage to renegotiate the contract as I hate the stress of phoning up so it'll be good to ditch everything I have here and save a fortune.

thenry 24-11-2025 12:10

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Re: your concern streaming. I've read in various places that smaller reputable providers would be the best bet as they haven't yet sold their souls. Throttling is common amongst the big named providers. VPN can get around this.

Provider provided security can be turned off but a VPN gets around it.

SnoopZ 24-11-2025 12:18

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36206847)
Re: your concern streaming. I've read in various places that smaller reputable providers would be the best bet as they haven't yet sold their souls. Throttling is common amongst the big named providers. VPN can get around this.

Provider provided security can be turned off but a VPN gets around it.

Thanks, I'm hoping this isn't going to be an issue when I set parents up with IPTV at Christmas but I'll give them my NordVPN too.

thenry 24-11-2025 12:25

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I'd run a VPN regardless if you have one avoiding all kinds of bullshit.

Nord app on fire stick has been crashing for me when setting up auto connect to a specific server. I had to choose one from the main screen then go settings auto connect to recently used server not from the huge list. Also Nord tends to hang on connecting but is really connected. Download analiti for confirmation.

I'm not sure how you're set up. The hubs WiFi doesn't play ball all too well. It's advised to split wifi bands then connecting to 5GHz.

pip08456 24-11-2025 12:35

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36206847)
Re: your concern streaming. I've read in various places that smaller reputable providers would be the best bet as they haven't yet sold their souls. Throttling is common amongst the big named providers. VPN can get around this.

Provider provided security can be turned off but a VPN gets around it.

BT have a policy on NO throttling.

SnoopZ 24-11-2025 12:36

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36206849)
I'd run a VPN regardless if you have one avoiding all kinds of bullshit.

Nord app on fire stick has been crashing for me when setting up auto connect to a specific server. I had to choose one from the main screen then go settings auto connect to recently used server not from the huge list. Also Nord tends to hang on connecting but is really connected. Download analiti for confirmation.

I'm not sure how you're set up. The hubs WiFi doesn't play ball all too well. It's advised to split wifi bands then connecting to 5GHz.

I've never had any issues with NordVPN or my Firestick and it's all connected via WiFi 5ghz.

thenry 24-11-2025 12:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36206850)
BT have a policy on NO throttling.

I don't believe their bullshit.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36206851)
I've never had any issues with NordVPN or my Firestick and it's all connected via WiFi 5ghz.

Nord is by far the superior VPN I too use it no issue just some bugs that don't really have a bearing on its main purpose so no bother :tu:

daveeb 24-11-2025 17:51

Re: FTTP who to buy it from - recommendations please
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36206844)
FTTP is finally available in my area!

For anyone who has experience with buying this please recommend a company to get it from, I want someone who isn't going to cause me grief if I use IPTV services etc(I want no limitations) and get the best kit.

I use Zen for my primary connection. Not the cheapest but their kit is pretty decent (at least compared to VM) and if you can understand the Rochdale dialect you'll be ok if you need to ring up. They answer e-mails as well.

Paul 24-11-2025 18:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36206852)
I don't believe their bullshit.

What you believe doesnt really matter, its their policy, if you can prove otherwise, please enlighten us.


I used Aquiss for well over a year and have now moved to IDNet.
My primary reason is because I want a static IP - in both cases customer support has been good.
Also, I prefer to stay away from the bigger players as the smaller ISPs dont have to apply all the ridiculous site blocking.

Jimmy-J 24-11-2025 23:31

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Went with BRSK about 5 month ago, they have option of a no monthly contract, which I liked, but just recently I've switched to their 18 month contract for the same 2gig up and down for £35pm (Think offer ends on 30th Nov.) VM wanted £72pm for the 1gb, absolutely ridiculous, glad to see the back of them! I haven't had a problem since having BRSK installed. they offer the usual addons including a static IP for an extra £5pm. oh, and they don't use throttling either.

I have a referral code anyone can use to receive a £50 Amazon voucher after your first months bill, must sign up to 18 month contract to qualify for it though.

SnoopZ 25-11-2025 00:20

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36206873)
Went with BRSK about 5 month ago, they have option of a no monthly contract, which I liked, but just recently I've switched to their 18 month contract for the same 2gig up and down for £35pm (Think offer ends on 30th Nov.) VM wanted £72pm for the 1gb, absolutely ridiculous, glad to see the back of them! I haven't had a problem since having BRSK installed. they offer the usual addons including a static IP for an extra £5pm. oh, and they don't use throttling either.

I have a referral code anyone can use to receive a £50 Amazon voucher after your first months bill, must sign up to 18 month contract to qualify for it though.

Sounds good for BRSK! Just checked and they're the only company I've checked so far that says not available, I've tried Zen, Cuckoo, Sky and BT which say they're live.

If it wasn't so close to Christmas id consider changing now but it's probably good to wait because it's only been live a few days and it was Zen that first emailed me about it.

Paul 25-11-2025 00:37

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BRSK are not available on Openreach, all the others you listed are.

Jimmy-J 25-11-2025 00:53

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I remember when I checked BRSK coverage on their website, it told me it wasn't available in my area, so I left my email for them to let me know when it would become available, I got an email the next day telling me it was available, and it could be installed the very next day. It took 2 tech guys just under one hour to do. Even months later after my install, it still tells me it's unavailable.

Anyway Snoops, good luck with the process, hope you find the right provider for you.

SnoopZ 25-11-2025 01:43

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Looking at the their map BRSK doesn't cover much area.

It looks like anything that uses openreach is live but I'm interested in City fibre which may give fast speeds(not that I need it) and seems cheaper.

Do openreach use cityfibres ducks and cables because I believe cityfibre were the ones digging up the village?

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I've checked loads of companies and there maximum is 900Mbps but I checked EE and they say 1.6Gbps is available so I'm not sure how accurate this is.

Paul 25-11-2025 02:30

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36206878)
I've checked loads of companies and there maximum is 900Mbps but I checked EE and they say 1.6Gbps is available so I'm not sure how accurate this is.

It'll be accurate, Openreach can go up to 1800/120 Mbps, but not everyone offers the higher speeds, IDNet offer it (but call it 1700 for some reason).

SnoopZ 25-11-2025 11:34

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36206880)
It'll be accurate, Openreach can go up to 1800/120 Mbps, but not everyone offers the higher speeds, IDNet offer it (but call it 1700 for some reason).

Thanks, I'm hoping when I order sometime in January Cityfibre will be live which seems to have better speeds at cheaper prices, I'll be happy to ditch VM for everything and have better opportunity to easily switch between providers without faffing around.

Paul 26-11-2025 00:12

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Cityfibre would be the better choice if its live, as its usually cheaper for the same speed, and symmetrical upload/download.

As I posted in another thread, Netomnia have indicated they plan to install FTTP around here, which will give me access to the same kind of speed deals.

SnoopZ 02-12-2025 16:46

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I really wish Cityfibre would have better updates, all I have is it's planned and I know they laid the trunking in the village.

I like the idea of 2200Mbps up and down for £56 a month even if I don't need it!

Come January I guess I'll end up with Openreach and likely Zen because I don't want to go with Sky even though it's far cheaper currently.

thenry 02-12-2025 16:56

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It might be worth finding out who offers modem mode linking a router of your own choice.

SnoopZ 02-12-2025 17:16

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207227)
It might be worth finding out who offers modem mode linking a router of your own choice.

I guess, but I likely wouldn't need anything fancy but if there was issues with IPTV I would expect to be able to go into the provided modem settings and be able to disable them.

I'll be saving a fortune by ditching everything VM(my fault for not renegotiating the contract though).

Roll on January!

thenry 02-12-2025 17:31

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Question would be if provider provided kit is better than third party :shrug:

SnoopZ 02-12-2025 17:40

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207235)
Question would be if provider provided kit is better than third party :shrug:

I've always been happy with VMs equipment so if they do the exact same job as that without issues I won't need anything else I hope.

Paul 02-12-2025 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207227)
It might be worth finding out who offers modem mode linking a router of your own choice.

"Modem mode" is more of a Cable BB concept.
FTTP normally uses PPPoE connections, which pretty much any router can do.

Jaymoss 02-12-2025 23:56

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207263)
"Modem mode" is more of a Cable BB concept.
FTTP normally uses PPPoE connections, which pretty much any router can do.

Modem mode as you know turns a cable router into just a modem FTTP installs gives you a Modem which can then be distributed using any switch which essentially your Hub becomes when you use the Wan port . I know you know this but I am just simplifying it

thenry 03-12-2025 12:57

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Little do I know :( I didn't realise it's permissable to link your own choice of router to the wall mounted modem. That is excellent :)

Jaymoss 03-12-2025 13:20

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207288)
Little do I know :( I didn't realise it's permissable to link your own choice of router to the wall mounted modem. That is excellent :)

My old man used Netgear modem routers on FTTC BT for a long long time before he was happy enough with the HUBs they sent

Paul 03-12-2025 21:38

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On FTTP, the 'Modem' is the little ONT box that your optical cable goes into.
It will have an ethernet port for the output, that you would then connect to your router.

thenry 25-12-2025 15:13

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OpenReach say I'll be getting full fibre next year...

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-checker

Happy days, sooner the better :D I tether currently. FTTC isn't worth it and cable is priced silly.

SnoopZ 25-12-2025 16:14

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I think I'll end up ordering openreach but I really want cityfibre which is still showing as planned. I need a short contract I think but that's still 18 months.

thenry 25-12-2025 16:29

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CityFibre say my location is...

Quote:

It looks like you live on a private road.

You may need to gain permission before we can connect your property to our full fibre network. Find out more below.
Huh :confused: I thought there were only two types of connectivity for hard wired connections, openreach and cable. Is CityFibre a totally different infrastructure?

pip08456 25-12-2025 17:45

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Sounds like they think they need wayleave from the property or freehold owner. That would apply to any ISP

Paul 25-12-2025 19:01

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208223)
Huh :confused: I thought there were only two types of connectivity for hard wired connections, openreach and cable.

It would be more accurate to say Cable or FTTP, Openreach is just one FTTP provider.

thenry 25-12-2025 19:19

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Openreach own the infrastructure, Sky and others use the network. How are CityFibre creating their own network infrastructure?

SnoopZ 25-12-2025 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36208222)
I think I'll end up ordering openreach but I really want cityfibre which is still showing as planned. I need a short contract I think but that's still 18 months.

Openreach is an fttp provider with their own cables and equipment that different companies can use, Cityfibre is the same as openreach but can offer greater speeds and maybe cheaper.

thenry 25-12-2025 19:31

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Openreach don't sell broadband. They just own the network right?

Do CityFibre own the lines they lay? Leasing back to openreach?

Paul 25-12-2025 19:52

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208231)
How are CityFibre creating their own network infrastructure?

How ? By installing their own network and fibres.

Openreach are not the only ones installing FTTP networks, but they are the biggest.

Stephen 25-12-2025 21:33

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I have FTTP service from Sky currently 150Mb. Usually pretty reliable. Our new build had FTTP installed from day 1.

I usually get 151Mbps over ethernet and 102Mbps over WiFi, upload is 32Mbps, just done a speed test and it's currently 32mbps on WiFi.

SnoopZ 25-12-2025 23:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208238)
Openreach don't sell broadband. They just own the network right?

Do CityFibre own the lines they lay? Leasing back to openreach?

That's right and as Paul said, Openreach have their own network and City Fibre also does, it just happens that both got installed at the same time in my village, in fact it was City Fibre I noticed laying the infrastructure ducting first, so I'm wondering if Openreach are using Cityfibre underground ducts because Google suggests that City fibre is able to use Openreaches.


A great site for working out what is planned in your area.
https://bidb.uk/

Matthew 01-01-2026 19:17

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They are all very similar, just cost and customer service.

I've used PlusNet since dialup days and just had another FTTP circuit installed elsewhere and cannot fault them, they are reasonably priced, UK based call centre if needed. Had very few issues with them in nearly 25 years of been a customer, the issues I've had were exchanged based and out of their control on my ADSL connection.

SnoopZ 01-01-2026 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew (Post 36208406)
They are all very similar, just cost and customer service.

I've used PlusNet since dialup days and just had another FTTP circuit installed elsewhere and cannot fault them, they are reasonably priced, UK based call centre if needed. Had very few issues with them in nearly 25 years of been a customer, the issues I've had were exchanged based and out of their control on my ADSL connection.

Thanks I've just checked and that's available so they will be on the Openreach network, I guess there are alot more companies available that also aren't on the bidb site list.

Still trying to hold out to see if they switch on the new Cityfibre network, hoping I'm not waiting too long.

Paul 01-01-2026 19:45

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Waiting on Netomnia here, its still in the planning stage atm, so I guess it will be a while.
In the meantime, I'll just stay where I am.

SnoopZ 01-01-2026 21:24

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36208410)
Waiting on Netomnia here, its still in the planning stage atm, so I guess it will be a while.
In the meantime, I'll just stay where I am.

Not heard of them before I'm guessing it's got it's own network.

Matthew 06-01-2026 22:39

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I've never not known anyone not to be available via the Openreach network, not sure if they still are but Virgin Media was available at one point as an ADSL connection on OpenReach network but that might not be the case anymore.

Netomnia is gaining momentum, not sure on them as they are not available locally so no experience. ISP Review website is a good place for the latest information when it comes to ISP these days.


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