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As it appears AI (or as I heard it described, Large Language Models with Chatbot front-ends with delusions of grandeur) is making it's way into everyday life, I thought it might be worth having thread on it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy7vrd8k4eo

In related news...

https://www.tipranks.com/news/nvda-t...i-bubble-fears

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The only negative effect on me so far is DDR 4 and 5 Memory modules have rocketed in price and the likely next thing with be Graphics cards again when they are utilised more with AI which is a total PITA seeing as I intend to build a new system but can not afford too yet

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From today's Financial Times


https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/11/2.jpg

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If this means the cancelling of those Data Centers we're supposedly going to build here, I'm all for it going boobies skywards.

Maybe the BBC news website would also revert to news and not tiktok type crap . . . no idea how many people (like me) now just glance at the headlines and ignore the (often poorly written) story content . . if there is any content.

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Is that any different from the investment boom and collapse of new technology companies of 20 years ago? I have no doubt that heavy casualties will emerge from the AI boom, but other companies will thrive, just as new technology and associated websites have thrived since the fallout.

AI has an important future in our world and the impact will be huge. It is difficult to know in which direction this will take us, but these are exciting (and slightly worrying) times.

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A slight addition to a line from above . .

AI has an important future in the destruction of our world and the impact will be huge.

:D

edit: oh dear . . . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629pny4gl7o

Cloudflare outage takes down X and ChatGPT

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In over 40 years of working in, and using, IT, I never implemented or used a System that caveated its outputs with

Google AI

ChatGPT

Copilot in MS Excel

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It’s not as clever as everyone thinks it is…….at the moment.

If you have children, or grand children, tell them to get a skill.

Skilled manual labour.

Regardless of how clever AI is, it’s not going tonsure your house, plumb your house, drop a gear box out your car, maintain heavy machinery etc.

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it also won't need a dentist, barber, or optician, and never turns up late with a hangover but will probably need some 'doctoring' over the years.

Won't need public transport or fancy restaurants, cinema and nightclubs, never has to buy Birthday or Christmas presents, doesn't give a toss about mortgage rates or the price of the latest iPhone . .

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I cant wait for the AI bubble to burst :)

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Unfortunately, if there is a "market correction", according to the Bank of England, this could lead to finance drying up for households and businesses…

https://www.theguardian.com/business...le-could-burst

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Indeed when this bubble bursts, and it absolutely will, it’s really going to hit everyone.

Yes, even billionaires may lose a couple of billion (well at least on paper); they’ll hardly notice; of course if your pension fund also loses a couple of billion, well......

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Gosh how awful, all those clever business people that entertained the idea that AI would make them lots of money . . . I wonder how many bought a bridge too :D

Scunny has always been the most famous for some reason, you never hear of that small place on an Island up North . . the town/village called Twatt

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But it has made them lots of money - the shares in their companies have risen quickly, and I am sure they will have divested some to make profits before/if the bubble bursts.

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oh nice, well that's ok as along as when the bubble pops their business won't pop with it :D

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Since you ask, it did used to fail at one point, not anymore.

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AI is the latest "Buzz" just like "HD" was when it was becoming more "mainstream" even though it had existed for years before but people didn't know about it because it wasn't in a "Thin" TV etc.

Just like back when "HD" was being slapped on everything, remember the adverts and stickers "Red velvet HD cake mix", or "Maybelline luxurious HD Lipstick" or how about "New oak HD wooden table", AI is being slapped on the name of everything and unfortunately the sheeple are lapping it up whilst not realising just what these "Generation tools" are doing because they are not AI and never will be AI!!

The current thing being called "AI" is not AI, it's just a generation tool based of "training", just like when you get a new job that you have never done before, you get trained and then after a while you are capable of doing the job easier and quicker than when you first started.

This is the dangerous part about what is currently being called "AI", companies are replacing staff with it, and some might think that is good but answer me this, how are people supposed to survive when all the jobs are replaced by "AI" and no one is paying tax, so no money going to the government, meaning no money for benefits, how are people supposed to survive?

The worst thing about that is, that, that is being done without real AI, what would things be like if someone truly created AI?


You look at the current job market, look at most of the vacancies and you will see practically nothing but "Fast Food Delivery Driver", "Amazon Delivery Driver", "AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI", with occasionally something else thrown in, but the vast majority of jobs these days are "LLM Engineer", or job descriptions with "Must have LLM Engineering experience", "Must be AI Literate", "Must be able to positively create AI Prompts".

The job market and economic markets are being killed by these LLM's and people don't understand or are just ignoring what will happen when it all crashes because people are not able to survive.

The people at the top of the likes of nGreedia and others though will be sitting pretty though, until they wake up and realise that stopping the great unwashed from earning and being able to purchase items, means they start to lose money or an "AI" tries to take their jobs, just like the MP's, when an MP's job is threatened by an "AI" you will see demands to slow down the integration of "AI"!

Oh and let's not forget than "Anthropic" did a test and found that a "Virtual AI" would kill a "Virtual Employee" to save itself, it didn't know that it was "Virtual" but decided it was worth more than a human life, and that is just a LLM not true AI!


Here is my thought though, did we as humans not learn from our own ideas about how bad "AI" could be? Did The Terminator or The Matrix not make people think "Maybe we shouldn't do this" or is are the likes of Jensen Huang really that stupid that it hasn't crossed their minds?

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Yep, I'm not one of those luddite type people, but without a magic money tree or a goose laying golden eggs, there has to be a cutoff point where benefits paid to the unemployed far exceeds the tax paid by the employed.

Yes I know that's far too simplistic :D

Yes I now.... AI is dangerous Paul and its sad people cant see it!!!!

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AI won't go away. The current investment hype might burst, some companies will go under and it will calm down. Much like the Dot Com boom.

The companies that survive will take advantage and build slowly, aided by all the spare data centre capacity. The thing people are forgetting is that running these models will become cheaper over time.

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I wonder if they said the same about water companies, power production, automobiles, internet & computers, mobile phones etc etc ;)

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I suspect that by now this has become legendary and is hard coded into a ‘pass list’ by most filters.

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Nah, the code changed over time to allow you to specify it must be a whole [separate] word to be censored, not just part of a bigger word. :)

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Oh; but that means that __c***__ would pass the filter?

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Yes it would, and get you warned as a result ;)

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Fine, as it should - but not that I would ever do so, and hence merit a warning!

I was just pointing out an obvious flaw in relying on automated systems, and how, with a slight degree of ingenuity, it is possible to bypass them!

Paul, I suspect that you and your fellow Mods do have a degree of work cut out removing obviously offensive and/or simply spam, posts.

But that’s my point, you have to put the work in - you cannot, absolutely cannot, rely on ‘filters’ no matter how sophisticated, to do it for you, can you?

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Worth looking at some of the answers Grok is giving about Musk. He has been tweating the AI bot for a while now after it started giving answers he didn't like but he might have gone a bit overboard, even for him.

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Yes, it’s not looking good, is it?

You don’t think that Elon is deliberately ‘pushing' the AI that he owns in to giving responses favourable to him, do you? Surely not!

I mean it is complete gibberish, but fine!

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He does intervene when he doesn't like some of the answers. None of us truly knows how much interference there is on these LLMs, but Grok is the most opinionated, whereas ChatGPT and Gemini are more cautious about expressing an opinion.

Also @Grok seems to behave differently to Grok itself.

I've really been liking Gemini recently. It's quite capable, useful and good for code. I think the important thing with these is to understand how they source their knowledge and avoid more abstract or esoteric questions that require a different way of thinking.

---------- Post added at 22:26 ---------- Previous post was at 22:19 ----------

Article with more examples; https://www.theverge.com/ai-artifici...-getting-weird

I assume he'll probably have to readjust it a bit.

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Yes, I have seen the price for the platform I spec'd increasing in price. I could afford it, just can't justify it yet. Waiting for my new office to be built so will be a little while yet.

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It's been a few years since I could afford any new components for the PC, you really need to be a dedicated (and well off) gamer to keep up with the constant improvements required to run the latest games.

That *could* be game developers pushing new technologies to the extreme, or chip/software developers rushing headlong to be the 'first' in the market.

Whichever or whatever it is, I'm sure money is singing in the background while the more destitute among us turn to playstations and dump the PC in the bin ;)

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It was probably just a gimmick site? AI probably would do a much better job of estimating age, although it's never going to be precise. You can't even get someone's age exactly right with biological testing.

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nGreedia maybe reducing production of Graphics card's for consumers to favour "Pro" and ultimately "AI" ventures due to "Memory Shortages".

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-dis...in-early-2026/

So just like the NAND producers refusing to increase production which they can do, but are choosing not to, nGreedia are choosing to not make consumer GPU's in favour of "higher priced" items.

Honestly I wish AMD and Intel were competitive with nGreedia on the GPU front, but sadly AMD has given up on the high end and Intel is only really starting out on the Dedicated GPU front, so they are a long way off.

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AI can have uses but as an extra or for assistance, but the way companies are going all in on it is a bit extreme, literally ecerything has some for of AI included now.

They will surely be a crash with how much is being invested and diverted to it's development.

Thats kinda scary isnt it?

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Doesn’t take a great deal of thought to know how to flick the power switch and turn the damned thing off.

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Not to mention companies like BT/Openreach sacking whole teams and replacing them with "Ai".

Even YouTube are using it as the main "Moderation" now.

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You'd think it'd be that easy, in military realms though in testing if you try and do that then the AI attempts to kill you.... :shocked:

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So . . . nobody fancies buying one of those really clever cars that drive themselves while you sit relaxed checking your facebook (or in panic on the phone screaming at the emergency services 'help, my car won't stop' ) :D

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Yep as I said in November "Oh and let's not forget than "Anthropic" did a test and found that a "Virtual AI" would kill a "Virtual Employee" to save itself, it didn't know that it was "Virtual" but decided it was worth more than a human life, and that is just a LLM not true AI!"


If we was to somehow create true AI, we would be quite literally screwed, currently we are just using LLM's, which are not "True AI", they just produce stuff based of training but you have to provide instructions for it to act, it will not act on it's own.

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They have no idea of the concepts of on or off. They are physically unable of doing anything.

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It’s how they interpret those instructions that can be "interesting"

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article...to-save-itself

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COR!!!

Imagine a World where AI would have the power to overrule a decision made by a human. . . .

Windows 11 . . . updates itself against your wishes, and reinstalls crap you've already binned 15 times

:D :rofl:

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https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/...tricity-on-it/

LLM Gen AIs are this year’s NFTs…