Stabbing attack on train
 

Stabbing stack on Train.

https://news.sky.com/story/train-sta...abbed-13462248

Well, I’ll keep my powder dry.


Could be a doctor, Engineer or social care worker……


Best not to jump to conclusions just now. Few details so I could look daft later, it might have been Dave the far right plumber……..well see.

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/11/1.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

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And what are the stats for those responsible for instances of multiple
stabbings?
Does Starmer get briefed on and comment on every stabbing in the UK?

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Very brave of you, time will be your judge

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That said Mahmood is quoted as saying

Which is quite forthright .

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The trains I was on earlier both were coming from and heading towards Cambridge. It's quite concerning not feeling safe :no:

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Sky news reporting two people arrested -no further information




The British Transport Police declared a major incident, and at one point declared “Plato”, the codeword used when responding to a terrorist incident, however this was later rescinded.

Two people have been arrested by the police, one of whom a witness said was tasered.

One eye-witness reported the knife-wielder to be a black man dressed in black clothing.

Witnesses have spoken of seeing a man with a large knife and passengers hiding in the toilets to escape the rampage.

One told The Times there was “blood everywhere” and people were getting “stamped” on by others as they tried to flee.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...train-stabbing

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Nine with life-threatening injuries, so not a case of wildly flailing a large knife around. A determined set of attacks.

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7:42pm calls to the police

32 male black and 35 year old Caribbean both born in the United Kingdom arrested

Nothing to suggest it's a terrorist incident

British Transport Police's Superintendent John Loveless

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nothing to suggest anything yet

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Echos of the Rudikibana incident………

More to come out over this.

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You can safely say the passengers on the train were being terrorised.
Both those convicted in the murder of Lee Rigby, were both born in Britain. Means nothing.

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home secretary issues statement saying both suspects are British born

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Just wait and see what comes out about the motive.

Two people being arrested is odd; it doesn't fit the pattern of some of these previous incidents, especially if it's not terrorism related.

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So what? Are all those that are British born carrying out these sorts of attacks? Or is it overrepresented in certain groups?

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my first thought is this is a calm the people down exercise, the old nothing to see here approach, only time will tell

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Were both of them attacking people? Or was the other person just accompanying the attacker?
Also wouldn't fit a scenario of an individual going crazy.

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IIRC there was an incident where they refused to give details of the ethnicity of the perpetrator, people assumed he was Asian and started demonstrating etc.

I think it was the incident where the little girls were stabbed at a nursery

I imagine that this statement will be to try and prevent this from happening again.

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Where there are living witnesses to an attack, details about any attacker(s) will quickly become public knowledge.

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You'll have to scroll through the following link a bit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

It appears that the code word 'plato' was issued and then withdrawn from the link above, that means 'marauding terror attack'

Also interesting that the police again have had to release the identities of the men suspected of the attack so quickly in order to stop the spread of false or supposition of false infomrstion.

Theres nothing like people wanting to push their own narrative but doing it in such a way that their response is 'well, that's not what I actually said' when they're wrong

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The attacks were over with 2 people arrested, so Plato was no longer in play. No further response required.

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This latest episode will make people think twice about rail travel, you don't know what passengers have on their person, even more scary on a packed tube train

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Anywhere with people packed in an area with no 'escape route' are the usual targets for nutters (of any race/religion) wishing to cause damage to civilians.

Buses
Tube trains
Concert halls
Airports
Sports stadiums
Places of Worship
...
...
...

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Very True!


For me it's yet another reason to not use expensive train travel.

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At least with some of those places people have a chance of escaping, I think this is why they favour aeroplanes. Somewhere else where people are stuck is on places like cruise ships.

Does anyone know if people are checked before they board a cruise ship, in the same way as an aeroplane? I wonder if they will now consider this for train passengers? It would be very expensive and train tickets are already too expensive as it is.

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how about an armed guard on the train

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That would be cheaper than checking passengers airport style.


There are marshalls I think they call them on American aeroplanes, not sure if we havd them.

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And if somebody mugs the guard and takes the gun?

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Does that happen on US aeroplanes ?

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The marshals are not in uniform, so nobody knows who they are.

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According to the New York Times, there are around 3,000 Air Marshalls, and the FAA manage around 45,000 flights per day - but those are in place after all the pre-flight security has been undertaken, so probably not an equivalent solution for trains (around 18,000 train journeys per day) in the U.K….

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do i need to explain what happens when you bring a knife to a gun fight

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As with everything, there has to be a balance, the costs involved versus the chance of something happening. A risk assessment as it were.

You could now put an armed soldier in every train carriage, on every bus, every motorway service station, or wherever you think there is *potential* for an incident. You can soon go over the top and achieve nothing but higher prices/costs to the general public.

Consider local councils spending £1.5 million on snow clearance initiatives . . but then it doesn't snow that year. Obviously that's an acceptable risk, whereas guards on every street corner isn't.

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Apparently its down to just one person, not two.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t ]

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So far, this is one incident on a train. There must be thousands and thousands of train routes run each day, with tens of thousands of journeys taken on them. I don't think we're at the point where we need to put arm guards on every train or, as someone suggested on the news this morning, airport-style security to get on them.

We cannot completely control every public space. If these incidents become more common, then we might need to react, but let's not throw out more freedoms in reaction to the, understandable, fear that one attack generates.

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I hope not, but this incident may well have given certain individuals a new idea to try.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...2a277b2e8#post

They are also 'looking at other linked offences'. Social media is saying he did something the day before, albeit it was spreading a lot of rumours on the night of the attack, so we'll see.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...5b1c2d791#post

People will have a go at the police, but it's less than 24 hours between attacks, not sure how realistic it is to have caught him before he went up north the next morning.

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I keep wondering whether these sorts of random non-targeted(?) attacks are confined to north of the 36th parallel or perhaps north of the 49th. How many take place south of the 36th parallel? Do they occur there frequently and are just not reported in Europe?
Just doesn't make sense if they are confined to the UK and perhaps Europe.

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The start of a lot of crime and injuries was "Care in the Community".

Closing Mental Hospitals, and releasing the inmates, hoping that they would continue taking their meds and turn up for checks.

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It's just not reported as much here. Think of how many school shootings there are in America. This was just a few days ago: https://6abc.com/post/multiple-victi...sity/18071874/

There are several every year in America now, and it doesn't make national or international news the way Columbine did when they were relatively rare.

We're also just not as engaged with the news out of Africa or South America. Brazil has a very high murder rate.

What makes this so shocking for us is that the UK is actually relatively safe. Violence is not an everyday occurrence that is the backdrop of our lives.

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How many are random non-targeted attacks? It mysteriously doesn't occur evenly across all demographics in the UK.
Things like gang warfare have an identifiable reason. Even if we don't agree with the reason, we know what it is. These sorts of random non-targeted attacks don't have an identifiable reason or maybe they do.

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Not those sort of attacks. If it was then they would've been occurring for centuries.

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This is the truth, many were turfed out with no more than a slip of paper with an address on it and expected to go there for housing, of course after being institutionalised for decades it was doomed to fail. I remember hearing that dozens were found frozen to death every winter for years following the closure of our local hospital and now decades later things haven’t changed, the London Borough I used to live in merged with another to try and mask the horrific number of deaths still happening, people starving to death with cupboards full of food and the like, would've been kinder to have just taken them out the back and shot them.

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This is pretty weird:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...03690ed22#post

and

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...12bf30874#post

The barber incidents might not be him. But if it is, he was in Peterborough at 19:25 and then in East London in the early hours of Saturday morning before returning to Peterborough by 9:25 Saturday morning.

It's doable, but it's pretty crazy to randomly go from Peterborough to Patoon Dock, East London, overnight in between those two incidents.

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There's a possibility that this individual may be a little unhinged and not behaving to recognised norms

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Yeah, sounds like he was going back and forth between London and Peterborough. The train he stabbed people on was heading back to London. Maybe full on mania or something. :erm:

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I drive past the station on the way to work, it was still roped off by police at 5.45am, very shocking.

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If you’re talking about major routes like Edinburgh to London for example you’re going to need manunmore than one guard

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My daughter is regularly a commuter from that station, we are lucky the train driver had so much about him

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxr4qn6d66o

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Let's hope he pulls through. What a hero, I would be legging it to the other side of a train if someone with a knife entered the carriage.

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I would pull my gun out and

*you're not allowed a gun*

oh, in that case I'd grab my taser and

*you also aren't allowed to carry a taser*

right . . so I grab my can of Mace and fire it at . .

*hold on buddy, spraying mace in a crowded rail carriage is likely to end up with you facing legal proceedings for injuring innocent bystanders*

'sigh' . . so what do you suggest I do?

*scream loudly, wave your arms and run like hell . . throwing other passengers behind you as you go*