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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

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Hospitals are in lockdown, but that could be precautionary.

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Only one perpetrator here and as you say, he's now dead.

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There’s some horrific video circulating on Xitter, as is now commonplace after events like this. Truly awful. And sadly predictable, whenever a society allows the normalisation of rhetoric against a people group the way we have allowed the fringes of every pro-Palestine protest to descend into outright antisemitism. No different in principle to the shooting of Charlie Kirk. When you delegitimise someone as inhuman or their politics as inherently vile, you embolden nutters at the other extreme to act.

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RIP.

Laying in your own exposed pool of blood is no way to depart this free world. If you don't like something move on. Simples.

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A horrible thing to happen, especially on this day (Yom Kippur).

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No idea what that is, so I looked it up.

This year it is apparently the "Evening of Wed, 1 Oct 2025 – Thu, 2 Oct 2025".


Given the above, I doubt the timing is a coincidence.

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A couple of schools I work with will no doubt be in lockdown as a result of this, they have trouble at the best of times and I've never really understood it, tiny, little children are as innocent as they come and don't deserve to be in a place that resembles a prison more than an educational establishment

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Police have confirmed it's a terrorist attack.

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My Jewish friends call it cheder, or religious school - it’s on a Sunday morning, usually.

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Yeah these aren't Sunday schools, they're monday to friday primary schools that happen to be Jewish, from what I've seen inclusive and promoting of British values too. Really can't be bothered arguing with certain people banging on about indoctrination when I've seen what has to be done on a daily basis just to protect them at school.

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In ancient Israel, it was the one day of the year when the High Priest was allowed to go into the holiest part of the temple, carrying a blood sacrifice which he would present at the Ark of the Covenant.

As the temple and its system of animal sacrifices is long since gone, modern Jews use the festival today to focus on the principles behind it instead.

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Well, the clue is right there in the ff’n name isn’t it?

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I think it means struggle in Arabic

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It means holy war.

Hioefully not many :(

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Agreed. Quite a bit of nuance over what it means so everyone is right really.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiha...s%20of%20Islam.

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There’s no nuance, everybody knows what it means. It mean Islamic conquest through war.

Anyone that says different is just obfuscating. It may have meant other things a long time ago.

Much like the swastika was a Hindu symbol of peace, but nobody would walk around with one tattooed on their arm now, because it is totally associated with Nazi’s.

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Back in the day I recall newspapers noting that the DVLA had blacklisted the registration number J1HAD.

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Might I politely suggest that you refusing to believe *anyone* would do such a thing arises from views acquired in your own echo chamber. ;)

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I suppose that could be said about many comments, yours included ;)

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and these aren't them, never said they were, they're normal schools

Can't find the post you quoted :shocked: but I wonder if you remember the hooha years ago when those US white supremacists tried to register their child's name as Aryan Race? Turned out Aryan had an older brother and sister will almost as ridiculous names iirc

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Maybe I should have said 'highly unlikely'. The Wikipedia article is not an echo chamber and worth a read.

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I’d suggest the Wikipedia editor community is very much an echo chamber all of its own, but that would be another topic.

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Indeed. But the more pertinent question to ask in this context is "Is it better than anyone knows?".

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Attacking Jews on Yom-Kippur is not new. Al-Jazeera has some interesting articles including details that have impact on the current Israeli/Palestinian situation.
And in case you are interested, in Judaism the day runs from sunset to sunset.

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Just reported on the news that one of the victims may have shot by the police!!

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From the BBC

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Yup. It looks like two people were shot (aside from the killer). One of them died, and one of them has injuries but will survive.

Greater Manchester Police have said the murderer didn't have a gun and the only shots fired were from the police.

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Well done :no:

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police and guns a recipe for disaster

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We don't know what happened yet.

You send armed police into a frantic and deadly confrontation, then this is a risk. It might they acted rashly or against protocol, or it might be that something happened where they fired in good faith and a bullet went astray.

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that's a bit of a generalisation

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It looks as if the attacker was in front of the door, trying to push in, whilst the people on the other side of the door were trying to hold it shut.

From the BBC

If some of the shots missed the attacker, they could have gone through the door and hit those inside (speculation on my part).

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Depending on high powered the police weapons are they could have gone through the attacker and through the door!

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I believe Manchester Police Tactical Firearms Unit use the H&K G36C, which has a muzzle velocity of 920m/s, so you’re probably right.

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More like a lot of a generalisation… ;)

Tend - to be likely to behave in a particular way
Bit - a small piece or amount of something:

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Those killed and injured were holding the door from the inside to stop the terrorist entering so that sounds logical.

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They must surely have known they had been shot long before being told by a pathologist ?

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Depends where the wound is - if it was on the trunk, there would be a lot of blood, and the entry wound of a bullet isn’t very big; the first responders would be checking for a pulse, and if no pulse, moving on to the next victim.

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Quite possibly mistaken for a knife wound initially, it was obviously all hectic . . and nobody thought of a bullet wound when all the initial info was of a knife

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Carrying out acts of Islamophobia and anti-semitism are surely both hate crimes.

The PM's wife is Jewish so he is not as distant from that community as you might want to believe.

https://archive.ph/1B67N#selection-3651.0-3717.194

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lammy was sent out as a human shield so starmer could make his escape

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People on the marches need to police the fringes that express anti-semitic statements better, or the actual police need to remove those people.

I don't think opposing Israeli actions in Gaza is anti-semitic, nor is protesting those actions. It's important we separate out those two issues. Jewish people around the world are not responsible for Israeli actions.

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I'm not sure what your point is, Andrew.

I've said that there is no Islamophobia so far as I can see. I take the term "phobia", as most people would, as having the meaning of irrational fear.

Antisemitism is evident.

I'd also point out that antisemitism results at the extreme in death and causes fear amongst the Jewish community.

Anti-Islam demonstrations are rare; there is no violence from people with anti-Islam feelings.

I warn you, and all quasi-apologists for the cultural threat that is taking place, that the politicians are giving this country away to people who, eventually, will make us all face east.



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Anti-Israel demonstrators stoke antisemitism. We can see that right in front of our eyes. "From the river to the sea", chanted by whities, is surely a manifestation of antisemitism and fully implies the genocide that they claim to be protesting against.

History has shown that Jews are very easy target.

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Islamophobia is a poor word to use. A fear of Islam, or more correctly Islamists is entirely rational.

Anti-Muslim Hatred is a better term.

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But what's the alternative? Ban the protests entirely? I don't think it's reasonable to ban protests about the actions of a nation-state.

I think there is a problem that anti-semites use this issue to indulge their anti-semitism, but we need to separate these people from those who are just protesting the Israeli state.

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Attacker was on bail for a rape charge.

https://news.sky.com/story/synagogue...ester-13442674

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Not enough against him to remand him in custody?

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What does being on bail for rape have to do with "Diversity" or commiting a terrorist attack :confused:

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I’ll begin by stating that yesterday was horrific evil scenes (because it would appear that to some if you don’t explicitly state this you’re supporting the action)

I think your thinking regarding Islamophobia is way off. From what I could find there were 6000 reported incidents of Islamophobia reported in 2024 vs iirc 3800 (ish) reported incidents of antisemitism

To suggest Islamophobia isn’t an issue with Islamophobia is ridiculous but alas completely expected from you.

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The Muslim population in the UK is about 10x larger than the Jewish one. On a per capita basis, that makes antisemitism a far larger problem, based on the reported crime figures you’re leaning on.

3,800 cases of antisemitism means on average one in every 100 Jews has suffered in some way, while the figure for Muslims is nearer one in 680.

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I feel sorry for 2 people I used to work with, one of them is Jewish, he was due to go to that specific synagogue yesterday but was unable to due to his wife having bad morning sickness, he is happy that he didn't go because he could have been injured but is also devastated because of what has happened.

One of my old bosses lives not too far in reality from the synagogue and last night and this morning has had people making stupid comments to him, he is Muslim, him and his family are really nice, friendly and would help anyone if they could.

I feel sorry for all involved who have lost someone, those injured and those who now will feel even more afraid to leave their houses, sadly though nothing will change really, the police will show up a bit more for a week or so and then back to their normal routines until something else happens.


Personal thoughts below.

Personally I think there will be more attacks in the coming months, with the way things are going on with Israel and Hamas, I can only see things getting more and more heated throughout the world and more attacks being carried out, sadly I think in order to actually put a stop to the whole thing, I think the west needs to step in and remove Netanyahu from power, stop providing Israel with weapons and basically take control of the IDF and give Hamas 1 day to disarm and hand over control of Gaza to an International Controlling Authority, made up from people from different countries not lead by Trump and Blair.

Get them setup for "Mutual Survival" and basically tell them straight, start again and you deal with it yourselves, no help from the west at all, personally we shouldn't be helping countries who only seem to only ever fight with each other in an aim to wipe each other out.

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Fair point I hadn’t considered that

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Well………


The fact that he was a Syrian national, an immigrant (don’t know how he came in) given citizenship. Obviously a wrongun. Why was he allowed to stay …….no doubt that may come out.

My point is Starmer and all the others, bang on about how diversity is our strength and diverse cultures enrich our own.

When, in reality, we are are importing a load of violent, murderous, rapist men from cultures that are less than ours, way less.

Don’t get me wrong, we have our own indigenous equals, but they are ours to deal with, we do not need to import anymore.

This upstanding citizen from Syria came here in 2007, or became a citizen in 2007. And he has allegedly raped someone and definitely killed somebody, and by his actions killed and injured several others. If he was not allowed into this country in the first place how different would those lives be now?

That is the issue.

We are letting in thousands of potential Jihadists every day. Don’t kid yourself islamist killings is already, in the scheme of things, a regular occurrence in the U.K.

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