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Sephiroth

19-09-2025 17:43

Antisemitism: So it openly starts

https://www.euronews.com/2025/09/18/...-nationwide-ou

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n Flensburg, a shop owner has caused outrage beyond the city limits with a single sign. Hans Velten Reisch, owner of a small speciality shop in Duburger Straße, placed a note in his shop window on Wednesday.

It read: "Jews are banned from here! Nothing personal. No antisemitism. Just can't stand you."

The police were alerted to the sign on Wednesday evening and spokesperson Philipp Renoncourt told the local media outlet förde.news the sign was removed "to prevent danger" and avoid an escalation or possible threat to public order.

However, the message has not disappeared completely. According to local reporters, the sign may no be longer hanging in the shop window, but is still clearly visible on a wall opposite the entrance door inside the shop.

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"I'm not a Nazi," says Flensburg shop owner

Hans Velten Reisch, who is 60 years old, has been running the shop in Duburger Straße since 2016. His product range focuses on technical literature, especially original workshop manuals for cars and motorbikes.

Reisch himself rejects accusations that he is an extremist. In an interview with förde.news he described himself as "a little to the left, a little to the right - but not radical."

"I'm not a Nazi," he emphasised. At the same time, he criticised the use of language today. In his opinion, terms such as "racism" are used too lightly.

"Today, you're already a Nazi if you order a gypsy schnitzel," said Reisch.

He also expressed his frustration with politics and society at length in the interview with the local newspaper. His criticism ranged from bureaucracy and media coverage to the Middle East conflict, issues of freedom of expression and personal disappointments in his social environment.

He was particularly critical of the country's current policy towards Israel, which he described as "hypocrisy" on the part of the West.

Reisch explained that he had decided to stop serving customers who, in his opinion, support the war in Israel.

"I don't need people like that here - neither in business nor in private," he said. At the same time, he emphasised that he has nothing against Jews who clearly distance themselves from the war.

"They can have a coffee too," he said.

Where next will this overt antisemitism appear?

OLD BOY

19-09-2025 17:45

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36202989)

https://www.euronews.com/2025/09/18/...-nationwide-ou

Where next will this overt antisemitism appear?

Well, the only way people will change his conduct is if everyone who disagrees with him boycotts his store.

thenry

19-09-2025 17:54

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I had a seller on Vinted who refused to go into convenience stores near his home because of anti-semitism. The conversation came about because I couldn't be arsed to go to a locker to collect. Sad.

papa smurf

19-09-2025 19:21

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it's one person not an international movement

jem	19-09-2025 19:26

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36202997)

it's one person not an international movement

True, but international movements can start with just one person.

Carth

19-09-2025 19:27

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36202998)

True, but international movements can start with just one person.

and some exposure in the media ;)

Sephiroth

19-09-2025 19:42

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36202999)

and some exposure in the media ;)

I suspect that it's an undercurrent here, particularly with the influenceable and largely ignorant 18 to 24 year olds - next generation politicians, lawyers, judges, police, etc.

mrmistoffelees

19-09-2025 19:50

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This confuses me

‘ Reisch explained that he had decided to stop serving customers who, in his opinion, support the war in Israel.

"I don't need people like that here - neither in business nor in private," he said. At the same time, he emphasised that he has nothing against Jews who clearly distance themselves from the war.

"They can have a coffee too," he said.’

So Jewish people who don’t support the war are ok ? If so, this isn’t antisemitism…….

Sephiroth

19-09-2025 20:06

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Er - the sign is quite clear: "Jews are banned from here".

But I note the tone of your response. Let me put a question to you:

If it was your shop, and it's not antisemitism to ban JEWS who support Israeli action in Gaza, what would your notice read if you didn't want them in your shop?

Damien

19-09-2025 21:11

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So it begins is a weird phrasing for anti-semitism; it's been a big problem for generations. It's been a problem here in the UK for a long time as well.

Hugh	19-09-2025 21:39

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203004)

I would make it non-specific to anyone’s religion - "If you support the Israeli Government action in Gaza, you are banned from here"…

(quite how he could tell unless they said anything, I don’t know - just like how does he know someone is Jewish?

Pierre

19-09-2025 22:14

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36202989)

https://www.euronews.com/2025/09/18/...-nationwide-ou

Where next will this overt antisemitism appear?

He may not be a Nazi, but he is clearly anti-Semitic. Just saying you aren’t means nothing, your actions say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36203011)

I would make it non-specific to anyone’s religion - "If you support the Israeli Government action in Gaza, you are banned from here"…

quite how he could tell unless they said anything, I don’t know - just like how does he know someone is Jewish?

Well,he didn’t do that.

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Jews are banned from here! Nothing personal. No antisemitism. Just can't stand you."

We know were we stand there………With a racist.

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Today, it would appear, that anti-semitism is the acceptable face of racism.

Hugh	19-09-2025 23:08

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Except for all the people in Germany calling him out for it…

Paul	19-09-2025 23:37

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Racism ?

I thought being Jewish was a relegion, not a race ?

1andrew1

19-09-2025 23:41

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36203012)

t anti-semitism is the acceptable face of racism.

One random nutter is not a trend. Sadly, anti-semitism has been a scurge on Europe for a long time.

TheDaddy

19-09-2025 23:44

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203021)

Racism ?

I thought being Jewish was a relegion, not a race ?

They can be both

Sephiroth

20-09-2025 08:01

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”One random nutter” is how it starts. Btw, see Corbyn and his lot for details where they do it more craftily.

mrmistoffelees

20-09-2025 08:04

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203004)

I’m not sure which tone you think you’re getting, regardless

‘ Reisch explained that he had decided to stop serving customers who, in his opinion, support the war in Israel.‘

There’s two completely things here , one is a sign banning all Jews as you say.

The next is inference that any customers who support the war are banned and that Jewish people who do not support the war ‘can have a coffee’

And as Hugh asks, how can you determine someone is Jewish ?

1andrew1

20-09-2025 08:33

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203032)

”One random nutter” is how it starts. Btw, see Corbyn and his lot for details where they do it more craftily.

It's been there for a long time.

Theresa May's 'Citizens of nowhere' was seen by some as codified antisemitism.

papa smurf

20-09-2025 09:16

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i fear the plot has been well and truly lost

Carth

20-09-2025 10:10

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36203035)

i fear the plot has been well and truly lost

Not even a plot really, just seems like a badly written draft for a book, where the main character is killed off in chapter 3, only to reappear in chapter 6 poorly disguised as a Nun with a beard and a penchant for pineapple on his (her) pizza. :spin:

1andrew1

20-09-2025 10:22

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36203036)

Is this still available? ;)

Sephiroth

20-09-2025 10:35

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36203033)

Er - the sign plainly reads: “JEWS ARE BANNED FROM HERE”.

You’re pretty much ‘allowing’ the shopkeeper’s notice to Jews. That’s the tone I’m seeing. You should be criticising him outright and the fact that you don’t speaks volumes.

mrmistoffelees

20-09-2025 11:36

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203038)

I’m not allowing anything. So please don’t insinuate when you haven’t a clue what youre on about. last time I checked I didn’t march to the beat of your drum nor do I have any obligation too.

TL:DR pipe down.

The point I’m trying to make which appears to have gone completely over your head is thus.

The sign as you quite rightly says no Jews allowed , however later in the article it says that anyone supporting the war is barred but Jewish people who don’t support the war are welcome for a coffee.

The article appears to be incongruent

Carth

20-09-2025 12:15

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Agree with that.

An initial 'catch all' statement later amended to have a caveat.

Paul	20-09-2025 12:35

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I'm not sure one crackpot in Germany, who cant even make up his mind, exactly means "Antisemitism: So it openly starts".

TheDaddy

20-09-2025 13:08

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203045)

I'm not sure one crackpot in Germany, who cant even make up his mind, exactly means "Antisemitism: So it openly starts".

Exactly but if you look hard enough and scourer enough sources you can make an outrageous statement about anything, some people have got wayyy to much time on their hands to feed obsessions :shrug:

Sephiroth

20-09-2025 14:18

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You have to see this for what the headline reads. "JEWS ARE BANNED". Attempts to explain away and thus excuse what this German openly wrote provide a sour tone.

TheDaddy

20-09-2025 15:07

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Yawn, one extremist **** doesn't mean the start of anything, he'll be out of business soon and no one will remember how unpleasant he was

Pierre

20-09-2025 20:19

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203021)

Racism ?

I thought being Jewish was a relegion, not a race ?

No, Jewish is a race.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36203033)

And as Hugh asks, how can you determine someone is Jewish ?

Usually the nose isn’t it?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36203039)

The sign as you quite rightly says no Jews allowed however later in the article it says that anyone supporting the war is barred but Jewish people who don’t support the war are welcome for a coffee.

Should the sign say the latter then…….and not the former?

To remove any incongruity?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36203054)

Yawn, one extremist **** doesn't mean the start of anything, he'll be out of business soon and no one will remember how unpleasant he was

It’s the fact he feels emboldened enough to do it, and before you know it you have a lot of emboldened extremist pricks, because they can see the conditions are favourable for them

thenry

20-09-2025 21:05

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36203033)

And as Hugh asks, how can you determine someone is Jewish ?

Paul	20-09-2025 22:32

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36203071)

No, Jewish is a race.

The internet in general disagrees, so what's your evidence ?

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