Car ploughs through Liverpool FC celebration crowd
 

Let’s see how this plays out……………….

https://news.sky.com/story/man-detai...arade-13375116

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Not quite panning out how you hoped it would 'play out'...

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I’m not “hoping” for anything.

But let’s not forget Axel Rudakubana was a young welsh lad from Cardiff.

Which was my point, I’ll wait a bit longer.

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What an introduction to a tragedy. You really are a weapon of the highest order.

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Sorry St Dave, what should I have done?

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FFS, back to the topic, any more sniping at each other by members and you'll be banned from this thread.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn5xnlkegz0t

Police are apparenly not treating it as terrorism [atm].

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Simply awful what transpired later yesterday.

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sounds gruesome from eye witness statements, the authorities were quick to tell us it was a white guy, are they afraid of more civil unrest like at Southport?

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For sure. BBC talking head last night suggested that the authorities had ‘perhaps learned something’ in being quick to give those details. However, if they were hoping to avoid a race riot, then the only way of dong that would have been if they had been able to say the man they arrested was white British. If he had been any other ethnicity, would they have released that information? In Southport, if the police had confirmed what people thought they knew about Radukubana’s ethnicity, would that have stopped racist assaults on mosques etc, or would it have emboldened those engaged in it to do more?

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it's difficult to contain a crowd fuelled on booze if it all kicks off, thankfully it didn't , question now is how did the car get past the blockade

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I think they released it because, as you say, they knew it would calm things down. There were already the usual social media rumours about the driver's ethnicity, so they wanted to stop it quickly.

But they've made a rod for their own backs now because if they don't release the details next time, people will make inferences about what that means.

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If there are many witnesses to an attack, then elements of the identity of the alleged attacker are going to surface.

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Yes, but people also lie on social media.

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The road in question wasn’t blocked

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that would explain why people are saying the driver was sounding the horn as he drove through the crowd, they were possibly impeding his progress

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I sincerely hope that the injured recover fully, and that the police learn a lesson about crowd and traffic control due to this incident.

Identifying the driver so quickly seems to have quelled any possible violence, locally and nationally.

Last Saturday, due to a rugby final, many roads here were closed to ALL road traffic. Police were dotted around to make sure that nothing like the Liverpool incident could happen.

But I was waiting to meet up with friends who were in the stadium, and I saw many, many food delivery riders racing around on the closed roads at high speed on illegal electric scooters, illegally-modified electric bicycles and the occasional illegal Ebike. The police appeared to have ignored all of them, even when the roads became packed with fans after the match. The stadium had been close to the maximum 75,000 capacity.

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Nobody dead at the moment thankfully but two seriously injured including a child. Some reports that the man driving the car had just exited a bar and was trying to leave in his car. Not quite sure how he managed to have a car on a supposedly cordoned off street but there's footage of people remonstrating with him on the adjacent street to Water street. Could be that he just lost the plot and decided to use the car as a battering ram to get away. Whatever the reason he needs serious prison time.

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Yes, my suspicion is that he felt entitled to drive down that road for whatever reason (maybe drink, maybe just because he knew the parade had passed and thought everyone ought to just get out of his way). Things turned lively, then a bit violent, and either because he was drunk, enraged or panicked because someone stoved his rear windscreen in, he hit the gas and went out of control.

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could be a case of self preservation fleeing from some idiots that's just gone wrong, but then he might be a deranged loony

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The chances of him having no culpability whatsoever for things turning ugly prior to him accelerating into a crowd of people are, I would say, extremely low.

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Maybe he panicked.

I've seen a clip of it before hand where he tries to back up, hits some people, they start punching the car and then after a bit of that he zooms off.

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Drug driving

Liverpool parade latest: Suspect arrested for attempted murder, dangerous driving and drug offences after collision

https://news.sky.com/story/man-detai...arade-13375116

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Get high. Take drugs. Then let others pay for it. Sounds about right. Well done him.

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From today's press conference, the road block was temporarily lifted to let an ambulance through.

The driver's been charged with attempted murder so I'm sure he'll get serious time in prison.

Good to hear that the 11 still in hospital are in a stable condition and appear to be recovering well.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...gency-31727936

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Which might well indicate that his neighbours didn't actually know him as well as they thought?

I can sort of get the panic reaction explanation as to what happened, which does not condone anything and he deserves and will get serious prison time, no question. It’s more a case of how on Earth did he get into that position in the first place? 'Followed an Ambulance’ through a road block and into an obvious crowd? I suppose the drug angle might well explain that though.

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Its all very strange, at odds with what kind of person he seems.
Yet as noted, why on earth follow an ambulance through a road block, into a huge crowd.

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As far as I can tell he hasn't been charged with drug offences

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No, he's not been charged with drug offences.

I've read speculation that some of his actions may have been brought on by PTSD from his time served in the Marines.

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It might be that the follow up drug tests were below the legal limits to make the drug driving charge stick. There are two parts to drug driving- driving with drugs in your system and driving while impaired.

If PTSD is going to be used as a defence, this could open up a whole world of issues going forward. PTSD could be used as a mitigation by pretty much any crime committed by a refugee

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:confused: there's a legal amount of drugs you can have in your system whilst driving? When did this happen


Mitigation isn't a defence, it may reduce the sentence but it doesn't absolve you of guilt and it won't prevent prison sentence

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It’s the same as for alcohol, the idea being how much needs to be present to impair driving. Here is a list of the limits - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi...2/regulation/2 Note that the drug driving list covers both prescription and illegal drugs. Diazepam or methadone will not help your driving skills even though being perfectly legal

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Who was it then :nutter:

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The accusation is that he did it deliberately. Pleading ‘not guilty’ doesn’t mean he’s going to say he wasn’t driving the car.

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He put pedal to metal. :angel:

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He seemingly spotted a way to get onto the (blocked) road he wanted, then found himself surrounded by football supporters that weren't too happy about it.

Personally I'd say his trousers were about to fill with brown stuff and he wanted away as quick as.

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SkySportsNews Geraint Hughes, He'll serve 2/3 before being considered for release

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I think 21 years is a little excessive.

A life sentence for murder is 25-30 years.

Manslaughter is usually around 10 years.

No one was killed…..

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It's the sheer amount of people he ran over and injured. It's very lucky people weren't killed.

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“Weren’t killed” being the operative.

I am in no way defending his actions.

But there have been much lesser sentences for people that have actually killed people, especially in car related incidents.

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As always sentencing is never really consistant.

And why 21 years and 6 months ? Is 6 months really going to make a difference.

He would be 75 by then, if he's still even alive.

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I thought it was a tad severe until I saw the videos of his driving. Stuff him.

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is the full video available to the public now that the trial is over

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Caught some of it on BBC news. It was enough. I imagine the stuff in court showed even more.

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i saw a little bit of what the court wanted us to see but i would prefer to see all of it and hear the sound from the dashcam

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Why?

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Here's some part of it

https://xcancel.com/suespeaksup/stat...805246005323#m

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i would like to examine the evidence not just accept that it is what they say it is

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But the defendant accepted it - he pleaded guilty. Do you have actual grounds for thinking it might be something other than ‘they’ say it is or are you just making excuses for wanting to watch a video of people getting maimed?

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I was under the impression* that pleading guilty (therefore saving time and money) led to a reduced sentence . . . makes you wonder if pleading not guilty would have got him Life with no parole . . . although 'life' is probably what he's ended up with really.

*no idea if that only applies to silly stuff like shoplifting, writing nasty stuff on social media, or being drunk in charge of an iPhone.

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i would like to examine the facts, that's not unheard of is it.

pleading guilty is often just a mechanism for getting a lighter sentence or people are just bullied into it

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Funny that you didn’t ask where you could download witness statements then isn’t it. :scratch:

If you actually wanted to satisfy yourself that everything is as reported, you’d be looking for all the evidence available, not just a grainy CCTV sequence of adults and children being deliberately run over.

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i was looking for information, you're clearly looking for an argument, I'll just ignore you until you cool off.

merry xmas

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I know what you were looking for. ;)