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Chris 07-12-2024 22:14

[update] Assad flees Syria, rebels take Damascus
 
The Arab Spring ground to a halt in Syria because Russia backed Assad in order to protect its warm-water port in Tartus. Now, Russia’s military is hollowed out and unable to save him …

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy8xzxe0w7t

Tonight Assad is nowhere to be seen (though his office insists he hasn’t fled) and ship movements out of Tartus suggest the Russian Mediterranean fleet may be fleeing. If that turns out to be true it’s a strategic calamity for Russia, which can’t even fall back to its Black Sea ports because Turkey has closed the Bosporus to military vessels. And it’s a long, long way to Kaliningrad when you have limited support vessels in attendance.

Back in Syria, however, the rebels are not exactly ‘our people’ - the whiff of Al Quaeda is strong.

Hugh 07-12-2024 23:14

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However, Syria's defence ministry said that news "about terrorists entering the city of Homs is unfounded", adding that "armed forces are deployed around the city, positioned in strong defensive lines reinforced with various types of weapons".

The Syrian army says it's bolstering defences around the capital, contradicting reports its forces had withdrawn from some areas.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1733613238

papa smurf 08-12-2024 07:38

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sky news reporting assad has left Damascus by plane for unknown destination

can't believe how quickly this has happened

https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-pr...ports-13269339

mrmistoffelees 08-12-2024 08:08

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Disregarding the background/motives of a portion of the rebels from a purely tactical perspective they’ve played this perfectly. Wait until the 3rd parties which support your opponent are unwilling or unable to provide support and then basically walk in and take the country with minimal resistance and casualties

papa smurf 08-12-2024 08:22

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Now that the not so good guys have taken over from the other not so good guy what happens next?

Chris 08-12-2024 09:06

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187315)
Now that the not so good guys have taken over from the other not so good guy what happens next?

I guess we’re back to the 1990s when it was considered useful to have one lot of Muslims daggers drawn against another lot to try to keep the Middle East in check. The rebels in Syria are Al Quaeda-adjacent and Sunni. They hate the West but they also usefully hate Iran (Shia).

Problem is the last time Al Quaeda got too comfortable it didn’t work out so well in the end.

Pierre 08-12-2024 09:38

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CIA will be busy.

Hugh 08-12-2024 09:39

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And there is the additional flash-point of the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army fighting the US-backed Kurdish militias (who were fighting Islamic State) in the north-west of Syria around Aleppo.

jfman 08-12-2024 10:15

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36187317)
CIA will be busy.

The CIA have been busy I suspect.

GrimUpNorth 08-12-2024 10:51

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I think Turkish fingers are in this up to their elbows.

Maggy 08-12-2024 11:50

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Oh I'm pretty sure EVERYONE is having a good meddle in the middle.

Mr K 08-12-2024 12:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187315)
Now that the not so good guys have taken over from the other not so good guy what happens next?

Lots of Syrians will be booking journeys on little boats.

papa smurf 08-12-2024 12:11

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36187326)
Lots of Syrians will be booking journeys on little boats.

No it's safe to go back now ,this is a bonus for Starmer .

Chris 08-12-2024 12:17

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36187320)
The CIA have been busy I suspect.

For once we agree. Someone clearly gave the rebels a nudge and pointed out that Russia is no longer in a position to prop Assad up, what with them throwing everything at moving a few inches closer to Kyiv each year.

GrimUpNorth 08-12-2024 12:29

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36187328)
For once we agree. Someone clearly gave the rebels a nudge and pointed out that Russia is no longer in a position to prop Assad up, what with them throwing everything at moving a few inches closer to Kyiv each year.

And Iran being otherwise engaged probably played a large part too.

Mr K 08-12-2024 12:33

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187327)
No it's safe to go back now ,this is a bonus for Starmer .

The thing about horrible dictators is at least they brought some sort of law and order. Once they're gone chaos ensues and people flee. Look at what happened in Iraq .

papa smurf 08-12-2024 12:44

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36187331)
The thing about horrible dictators is at least they brought some sort of law and order. Once they're gone chaos ensues and people flee. Look at what happened in Iraq .

There seems to be a lot of happy people in Syria,lets hope it settles down and becomes a better place,meanwhile round up them migrants it's hometime.

jfman 08-12-2024 13:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187332)
There seems to be a lot of happy people in Syria,lets hope it settles down and becomes a better place,meanwhile round up them migrants it's hometime.

How long before the new regime flies the rainbow flag?

papa smurf 08-12-2024 13:23

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36187333)
How long before the new regime flies the rainbow flag?

why would they?

jfman 08-12-2024 13:26

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187334)
why would they?

They wouldn’t and they won’t. It’s a rhetorical question.

Paul 08-12-2024 15:00

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Its a ridiculous question, stay on topic.

jfman 08-12-2024 15:26

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It’s entirely on topic. The very first post outs them as religious fundamentalists.

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Back in Syria, however, the rebels are not exactly ‘our people’ - the whiff of Al Quaeda is strong.
If anything we will see a new influx of Syrian refugees and the old ones won’t go home either.

Mr K 08-12-2024 18:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187332)
There seems to be a lot of happy people in Syria,lets hope it settles down and becomes a better place,meanwhile round up them migrants it's hometime.

Once they've had a taste of Cleethorpes's chips , no way are they leaving. And who can blame them ? ;)

Chris 08-12-2024 20:05

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TASS reporting that Assad and family have been granted asylum in Russia. He’d better find himself a job as a dentist quick smart, otherwise he’ll get mobilised and packed off to the Donbas within a month.

jfman 08-12-2024 20:14

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0896ed0c237844

- as the above relates to a rolling update page it’s the one at 19.58 tonight.

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The US Central Command said its forces conducted dozens of airstrikes on Islamic State targets in central Syria on Sunday
In a statement, the Centcom said its strikes were aimed to ensure that the Islamic State does not take advantage of the current situation in Syria.

“Battle damage assessments are underway, and there are no indications of civilian casualties,” reads a statement by Centcom posted on X.

“There should be no doubt – we will not allow Isis to reconstitute and take advantage of the current situation in Syria,” said Gen Michael Erik Kurilla.
Irony overload from the US here.

papa smurf 09-12-2024 09:20

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36187346)
TASS reporting that Assad and family have been granted asylum in Russia. He’d better find himself a job as a dentist quick smart, otherwise he’ll get mobilised and packed off to the Donbas within a month.

asylum on humanitarian grounds

Bashar al-Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow and been granted asylum "out of humanitarian considerations", Russian news agencies are quoting a Kremlin source as saying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx89reeevgo

Chris 09-12-2024 11:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187356)
asylum on humanitarian grounds

Bashar al-Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow and been granted asylum "out of humanitarian considerations", Russian news agencies are quoting a Kremlin source as saying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx89reeevgo

Plenty of asylum seekers in Russia have been conned into signing up for the so-called ‘special military operation’. ;)

You watch, he’ll be dodging drones in the Donbas before he knows it.

papa smurf 09-12-2024 11:44

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36187362)
Plenty of asylum seekers in Russia have been conned into signing up for the so-called ‘special military operation’. ;)

You watch, he’ll be dodging drones in the Donbas before he knows it.

He might become a diplomatic pawn,Russia has military bases in syria that it wants to keep.,so he could be handed over

Chris 09-12-2024 12:13

Re: [update] Assad flees Syria, rebels take Damascus
 
That would be genuinely hilarious and it has to have crossed their minds. Despite what official media was reporting at the weekend I doubt very much whether the air and naval bases’ security have been guaranteed by any rebel faction. They have no reason to do so, seeing as the Russians have been barrel-bombing their wives and children alongside the Syrian army for years. For those reasons however, the Russians will have been wondering whether any kind of deal to retain their bases there can stick. Those now running Syria - or bits of it - really, really don’t like Russians much at all.

1andrew1 09-12-2024 15:29

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Israel has taken more Syrian territory, justifying the incursion as a temporary move to protect its citizens but drawing a furious reaction in the region.

Defence minister Israel Katz on Monday said the country’s military was continuing to seize “high ground” inside Syria after the toppling of Bashar al-Assad’s regime on Sunday by a group led by the Islamist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham.

The movement of tanks and infantry, which extended into and beyond a previously demilitarised buffer zone, was condemned “in the strongest possible terms” by Egypt, which said it amounted to the “occupation of Syrian land” and a “severe breach” of a 1974 armistice deal.
https://www.ft.com/content/5690c07a-...a-b3e98b241f1c

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36187327)
No it's safe to go back now ,this is a bonus for Starmer .

That's what some countries seem to be thinking too
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Germany, Austria and Greece all said on Monday they were suspending their processing of asylum claims from Syrians.
https://www.ft.com/content/5690c07a-...a-b3e98b241f1c

Per report of 3.34pm today
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Hundreds of Syrian refugees have gathered at two border crossings in southern Turkey by Monday, eagerly anticipating their return after the fall of Bashar al-Assad’s government.
Many arrived at the Cilvegözü and Öncüpınar border gates at daybreak, draped in blankets and coats.
Scrolling news link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-updates-blog


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