Windows 11 24H2 Oficially available for download
 

windows 11 24H2 officially released

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows11

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System image created and installed this. Very fast install tbh

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I moved to Linux 4 months ago and have not looked back. I simply do not trust them with this recall feature. I know they say it is now opt in but how many times has a update changed an opt in to an opt out. I intend to wait and see what the outcome is once they role it out and then i may dual boot. I really don't trust Microsoft lately. I understand Linux is not for everyone but it really not as bad as people make it out to be. I worried that i would not be able to play my games on it but in fact i can and i get slightly faster frame rates. :D

Yes its hard to trust MS........... Everything you do logged on your computer??

I wouldnt want that either!!!!!

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Still happily running W7 here.

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Recall only works with a NPU and microsoft have blogs saying it only opt in and vast majority wont be to use it anyway need a co pilot plus pc

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/wind...t-plus-pcs?r=1


https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...c-a3c59680af15

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-architecture/

what linux version did you pick i have used linux on a spare SSD i have tried linux mint and unbuntu and zorin os i perfer linux mint but too many program dont work with linux for me but it lot better than it used to be hopefully it will keep improving to give people more choice

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I have been using Linux Mint. For me it covers everything i do. For specs please see atttached

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yes linux mint is the best version of linux IMHO too

and if you ever decided to put windows 11 24h2 on comp anytime you could not use recall anyway that is not a NPU processor and you can uninstall co pilot on it too

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Yes it's "Opt In" isn't it! There was no "Do you want to enable this" although currently the "Recall app" is not there yet, but will be soon once they decide that you actually don't need an NPU because they are slower for AI etc than a GPU.

https://i.imgur.com/ve5S9wHh.png

Direct Link
https://i.imgur.com/ve5S9wH.png

This is on my PC right now on 24H2 without an NPU.

Just so you are aware, if you remove "Recall/Co-Pilot" from the Windows ISO you lose the ability to use the "Tabbed File Explorer", that is what is known currently because Microsoft have "Tied" Recall/Co-Pilot to the File Explorer, something they said they would not do!

I am keeping an eye on what the likes of Chris Titus and others find, because at the moment it's looking like Microsoft are nothing but liars!

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Recall only operates on Copilot+ PCs
Recall only operates on Copilot+ PCs that meet the Secured-core standard and include the following capabilities by default, which are verified by Recall:

BitLocker (Windows 11 Pro) and Device Encryption (Windows 11 Home) TPM (Trusted Platform Module) 2.0 – the TPM provides root of trust for the secure platform, management of keys used by the Secure Enclave TEE and additional platform hardening primitives, such as un-forgeable monotonic counters.
Virtualization-based security and hypervisor enforced code integrity.
Measured Boot and System Guard Secure Launch – If a machine is not booted securely, it cannot attest to the system’s security state and release keys, which can unseal content previously protected, thus mitigating early boot attacks.
Kernel DMA Protection against peripheral attacks.

from microsoft blog but yes i would never remove anything from a ISO but you can uninstall co pilot from setting apps installed apps then co piolot 3 dots uninstall

User choice from the start
During setup of your new Copilot+ PC, and for each new user, the user can opt into saving snapshots using Recall. If you don’t choose to opt in, it will be off by default and snapshots will not be taken or saved. You can also remove Recall entirely by using the optional features settings in Windows.

Are the Copilot+ PC experiences available on all Windows 11 PCs?
These Windows AI features require powerful neural processing units (NPUs) – a specialised computer chip for AI-intensive processes – that are unique to the Copilot+ PC class of devices.

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Recall is enabled by Default, there is NO option to not enable it on install, I know because I reinstalled both my PC's that run Windows 11 at the weekend, neither of them asked to "Enable" it, it's enabled by DEFAULT.

Bitlocker, has not been rolled out as part of 24H2 and more than likely won't get rolled out anytime soon, since they have already broken it once with an update.

Also if you have it enabled and don't know the recovery key/code and you don't have the "Microsoft I am going to take all your data account" then you cannot get the code and your pc is bricked, until you reinstall Windows meaning you lose everything, yet another shining reason to never turn it on, on top of it killing your SSD!

As for the last part of your comment, you cannot fully remove "Recall or Co-Pilot" because it has been made a dependency of the File Explorer, meaning if it's not there, the File Explorer will not work properly, this is being investigated at the moment and will hopefully land Microsoft in court, because they will have lied about Recall and Co-Pilot not being a "Tied" to the core operation of the Operating System!

Microsoft are nothing but Liars and frankly I cannot wait to see them dragged into Court over Recall and Co-Pilot because it will happen, especially when Businesses start to notice it's embedded in Enterprise like it is in Pro and Home.

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it only asks to enable recall on install with co pilot plus pc's as they only ones that can run it

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They are not the only ones that can run it, they are just the ones that it is being "Fully Released" on next month.

At the moment any pc with 24H2 has "Recall" enabled by default if they have done a fresh install, I am not sure about an "Upgrade" though as I don't have a machine that I do the 24H2 upgrade option on at the moment, as it doesn't show on my laptop.

"Recall" although the App is not available yet, is enabled on my PC, I wasn't given a choice to enable it, it was and is enabled by Default by Microsoft on install, so they have lied when they said it would be an "Opt In" also lied when they said "it won't be tied into core functions".

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yes they are it on the microsoft blog recall only works with copilot plus pc how more official do you need

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They are the only ones that can run it?

What do you not understand about it only needing a CPU/GPU that can produce a Benchmark Rating of "40 Tops" or more, for instance my 4080 Super can produce a Benchmark Rating of around "850 Tops".

Microsoft are planning and currently testing it on PC's without an NPU, since not all mass produced pc's are going to have an NPU installed, and Microsoft want to be able to collect as much information from you as possible, because anyone who is not a fool understands Microsoft, will be getting information from it!


Tell me, why would my PC have Recall Enabled if it won't work on my PC???

If it won't work on my PC, then why was I not given the option to not enable it on install, why was it even installed in the first place?

Oh yes, because it will soon work once they have cleared up the issues with using a GPU instead of an NPU like all the other AI app's out there.

If you really cannot see how Recall is going to be a "Mandatory Feature" then you really need to wake up and look at what Microsoft are doing, because making Recall a REQUIREMENT for the Operating System functions to run is not making it Optional!

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Are the Copilot+ PC experiences available on all Windows 11 PCs?
These Windows AI features require powerful neural processing units (NPUs) – a specialised computer chip for AI-intensive processes – that are unique to the Copilot+ PC class of devices.

there in black and white from microsft blog faq's what do you not understand it tells you there need a NPU

Recall only operates on Copilot+ PCs

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-architecture/

and for the record i do not want recall either and not be getting a NPU processor

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However the above shows that they are installing it on any new install NPU or no NPU. I have always said Microsoft cannot be trusted and should never be trusted. They state that it is OPT in however the above proves it is not. How many non technical users will be caught out by this. I await the first news reports of the ability for hackers to be able to gain access to this data on users PC's by a simple Email fishing request that allows access whilst the original user is logged in. The security level for recall is based on Bitlocker and once a user is logged in then that unencrypts the data. Scammer who gain access to a users pc in a simpler method to those that happen at the monument using Anyconnect will have access to all of that data. This has been commented on many times already by those who target scammers like scammer payback and has they point out once the scammer is connected thay have access to everything on that PC. Recall is a scammers wet dream..

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like you and vast majority i dont want recall but ok that it opt in for the few that will use it i have no intention of ever using it

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Hypothetical question.

If they were to make it mandatory would you still trust them and use windows ?

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Instead of just parroting Microsoft who we all know cannot be trusted, how about you answer the question.

If my PC because it does not have an NPU in it, cannot run Recall then why is it installed and Enabled by Default?

There was no option to not install it, no option to not enable it and whilst the "Recall" feature (spyware) is currently no installed and running, the main component of it is running.

As it is, there is not a single NPU installed in any of the "Copilot Plus PC's" that will be able to come close to matching the performance of my PC that I use for OBS, Discord and video editing never mind the one I use for Unraid Server or hell even my gaming pc when it comes to AI Workloads!

The fact is Microsoft are lying once again, they are currently being called out for it and will soon find themselves in court over it.

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No hypothetical question needed, it is Mandatory to have it installed on your PC as it is now a CORE component of the Windows File Explorer!

Yes you can "Disable it" but you cannot fully turn it off, you cannot remove it and you certainly have no choice about it, if you are a gamer or cannot use Linux because the software you use has not got the ability to run on Linux.

All PC's no matter whether they have an NPU or not will have this forced on them, the only difference initially is if you have the "Recall App" or not, but ALL Windows 11 PC's will have Recall and Co-Pilot and there is nothing you can do to stop it!

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Microsoft says you can remove Recall in optional features

It does not bother me any way to be honest. Not scared by it

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Microsoft now say you cannot.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/2/24...ll-feature-bug

Also at the moment they will not be installing recall for EU country's as the EU is investigating it. Looks like Microsoft have played the game and don't list the UK as in Europe.

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it is not at all wouldnt be to opt out or remove it if it was

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So if it was made mandatory you would still be happy to use windows.

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The user is always in control.
Recall is an opt-in experience. During the set-up experience for Copilot+ PCs, users are given a clear option whether to opt-in to saving snapshots using Recall. If a user doesn’t proactively choose to turn it on, it will be off, and snapshots will not be taken or saved. Users can also remove Recall entirely by using the optional features settings in Windows.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...c-a3c59680af15

can we stop the lies now it there in black and white but it only on copilot plus pc's anyway but can be removed

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So which do we believe your quote or the other quote both from Microsoft.

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recall should not have been shown on turn on/off features on non copilot plus pc's and they cant use it so it was a bug that now fixed

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So Damien should now be able to uninstall this, i bet he can't. To be honest i personally don't care about it anyway as i use Linux and i do not think it will ever appear on linux, in fact i think it would be like watching the Devil ice skate to work if it ever appeared on linux. :D

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Can you stop with the parroting of clearly false information!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9FRadIkkE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6b4ObnYMY

Recall is MANDATORY on all Windows 11 PC's as it is now a Core Component of the Windows 11 Operating System.

If it is removed then File Explorer does not work as it should anymore, at the moment that is the main thing that has been found however people are currently testing this to find what else it has been tied into!

This is the same as what happened with Cortana, that could be removed but it would cause no end of issues when trying to use certain Windows app's and functions.



You cannot install Windows 11 24H2 without installing Recall unless you remove it from the ISO, and if you do, your File Explorer will not work the same, and if you leave it in, regardless of whether you have an NPU or NOT! then Recall is installed and enabled by DEFAULT you have NO CHOICE!

Recall is here to stay, it will be rolled out to everyone on every pc regardless of whether it has an NPU or not since it DOES NOT REQUIRE AN NPU if the PC has a GPU capable of 40 Top's or More, which most GPU's in the last 5 years are capable off producing.

Microsoft can say all they want on the internet that it will require an "NPU" but nearly every hardware manufacturer of PC Components have said it's not required, and I tell you what, it is going to be funny next month when people hit YouTube showing Recall enabled on machines without an NPU!

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only you are doing that like and your source aye i forgot it Chris Titus that runs windows not Microsoft silly me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHD-AmK_XIo

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Ah yes Britec, who clearly states "who knows we can't tell the future" about whether this is going to come to all pc's.

You clearly didn't watch the video, just like you clearly seem to be incapable of reading or even answering a simple question.

Again

Why is Recall enabled on a PC that supposedly cannot support it?

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i did watch video it why i posted link he very right about lots of lies being told and he clearly shows that Microsoft are working with Intel the 15th gen will have a NPU so be to use recall and AMD have some NPU processors out too so be to use recall then but wont be to use recall without a NPU processor as Microsoft have stated

but Microsoft stated it can be removed and if they fail on that they will deserve all the crap they will get and rightly so

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*sigh* chill out.

Window 10 is the last version I would consider.
(if I were to ever use another version, after W7).

While recall exists, Windows 11 will never get near any PC of mine.
I dont care what they actually say will/wont happen, I dont trust them one inch.

The future looks likely to be Linux, M$ have just lost the plot.
I cant see why anyone would really want such an incredibly intrusive feature.

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Agreed.

It appears that the big Tech companies are desperately seeking to find a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist - they’ve spent tens of billions of dollars trying to create GenAI, and don’t appear to actually have a paying market for it.

Another future cost is that of data centre growth required for Gen AI - see the Forbes article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiriasr...llion-by-2028/

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I went back to 23H2 using a backupper image taken before the update. Had issues with video being choppy. I am guessing it as a GFX driver but just rolled back to a good config that just works for me. The driver on it dates back to Jan but works with everything I do

Because ppl have been so dumbed down to think stuff that ISNT GOOD is good Paul... They cant think on thier own,they let others think for them and its sad.......

Im gad to see you dont :)

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{Off topic slightly}
Is that the free version ?
Someone mentioned it to me a while ago, but I never got around to trying it.

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yeah I have used it for years. Take images once a month and if there are any issues or glitches I just recover back to the last known good config. Saves a hell of a lot of time

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Further update on the recall feature that is in all versions of 24H2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZi_8VtFa-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DfpX2scg00

And the joke video from Microsoft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWDMJ_MHHCM

It is installed and enabled as default and is Mandatory

As yet those looking into this don't know why it is in all versions of 24H2, where it is and what it is doing.

My question is WHY is it being installed on non copilot+ PC's if Microsoft know they as yet cannot run it.

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Chris Titus infered that if you remove by creating a custom ISO then it just brakes the new File Explorer and you still have the old one. There are alternative file explorers you can use. There is a good chance a good one will be made by someone like Stardock for this very reason

Im sure someone will find a way of getting rid of that garbage!!

They cant think they can force spying trash on others computers and nothing can be done of it!!! (There are ppl out there smarter than they are!!)

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you can disable it without altering ISO in terminal without breaking file explorer

just use this command in terminal admin

Dism /Online /Disable-Feature /Featurename:Recall

to check recall status use this command in terminal as admin

Dism /Online /Get-Featureinfo /Featurename:Recall

plus can use Group policy editor to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5p0a4-fnsM

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But again the question is why are they installing it on machines that cannot run it and why is it enable by default. They claim it is opt in so if it is opt in why is it enabled as default ????

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only microsoft can answer that like i said if they fail not letting it be removed as they have stated it will able to and as i have shown before they will deserve all the crap they will get and righty so

They probabluy hope ppl wont realise its running.......

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Recall can now be removed from the ISO without breaking anything. Use Chris Titus Microwin to strip the ISO

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It’s great to have the option to customize the ISO. Have you tried using Chris Titus Microwin yet?

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No but will do when I decide to go back to 24H2. I rolled back due to video playback errors

Thats excellent news!

I wonder how long before they block it so it cant be removed??