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Dude111 11-09-2024 21:03

Lets say you wake up tomorrow and ya suddenly discover your body is that of the opposite gender. What would ya do and how would ya react?

Would you try to make the best of it,correct it with surgery or would you even go so far as to commit suicide?

Would you even be secretly happy about it?

I dunno how I would feeel.......

Taf 11-09-2024 21:57

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Can of worms time: what is "gender"?

Mr K 11-09-2024 22:05

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I think I'd start to like myself,
a lot ;)

Dude111 12-09-2024 03:00

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Originally Posted by Taf
Can of worms time: what is "gender"?

Ya you have a point mate....These days no one likes to think the 2 genders are any different!!

Paul 12-09-2024 03:26

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Its a daft question since it cannot happen, and even if it were possible, I seriously doubt anyone would choose "commit suicide". :rolleyes:

nomadking 12-09-2024 09:02

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Although not an overnight change, I remember the TV programme about a Caribbean Island, where some are born appearing to be female, but later on physically change to male. I think there's a Pacific Island with the same genetic fault.
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Like the other Guevedoces, Johnny was brought up as a girl because he had no visible testes or penis and what appeared to be a vagina. It is only when he approached puberty that his penis grew and testicles descended.

Chris 12-09-2024 10:29

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36182842)
Although not an overnight change, I remember the TV programme about a Caribbean Island, where some are born appearing to be female, but later on physically change to male. I think there's a Pacific Island with the same genetic fault.
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There are six karyotypes that can result in a live human birth. The genetically normal ones are XX (female) or XY (male) and result in normal physical development and expression of large gametes (eggs, female) or small gametes (sperm, male), and normal external and internal reproductive anatomy. The other four all result in disorders of sexual development, however the term ‘intersex,’ which has been used to describe them is scientifically incorrect. Every DSD which is capable of resulting in a live human birth produces a human child with either large or small gametes, so biologically either female or male. Their external sex organs may be malformed and may be misidentified by inexperienced medics leading to an incorrect observation of sex at birth. This may come to light at puberty when the sex organs may appear to change from one to the other. However, the individual was born either a biological male or female and remains so despite any changes to their external appearance.

Pierre 12-09-2024 12:08

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You left out, seek counselling and psychiatric help, as it would be a mental disorder.

Stephen 12-09-2024 20:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182851)
You left out, seek counselling and psychiatric help, as it would be a mental disorder.

Well no. Not if its hypothetical and what happens in some movies. Something like Vice Versa or Freaky Friday or even Big. Waking up as a female instead of male like you went to bed. Or female waking up in a blokes body. Just generally a different body than what you went to bed.

papa smurf 12-09-2024 20:24

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I'd start nagging,and complain about the heating and state of the kitchen :)

RichardCoulter 13-09-2024 01:23

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I believe that the soul/spirit of some people is born into the wrong body and that this is what's happened to true transgender people. A man looking at his body of a female (and vice versa) must be a living hell.

I have always tried to be kind and understanding of such people and have known of men who have killed themselves because they couldn't cope with being transgender (or gay).

Interestingly, their sexuality is completely separate to their true gender. A man who fancies women will still fancy women even if they transition to their true self as a female.

1701-e 13-09-2024 07:41

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I'd get a rabbit asap.....

Chris 13-09-2024 10:43

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182871)
I believe that the soul/spirit of some people is born into the wrong body and that this is what's happened to true transgender people.

This is Queer Theory 101 … the belief in the “gendered soul”.

It is also the reason why it’s basically outrageous for anyone to claim that ‘misgendering’ should be any sort of crime, because calling someone ‘he’ when they think they are a ‘she’ is no more serious than refusing to affirm their metaphysical beliefs.

We did away with our blasphemy laws (albeit surprisingly recently).

You may believe that someone’s soul may be born into the wrong body, but I don’t … and while I wouldn’t expect you to prove it scientifically (it being a metaphysical belief, which is categorically not science), I would hope you could provide some consistent body of quality philosophical work in support of it. Such intellectual rigour is notably absent in this area.

Pierre 13-09-2024 11:31

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182871)
I believe that the soul/spirit of some people is born into the wrong body and that this is what's happened to true transgender people. A man looking at his body of a female (and vice versa) must be a living hell.

It's a mental disorder, and many teens that claim to be trans are usually just gay, and if counselled properly will grow up to be gay adults, which is why medical intervention at that age is abhorrent.

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I have always tried to be kind and understanding of such people and have known of men who have killed themselves because they couldn't cope with being transgender (or gay).
of course we should be kind, but that does not mean that they should have access to women's spaces, or enter women's sports, or that anyone obligated to join in with their delusion.

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Interestingly, their sexuality is completely separate to their true gender. A man who fancies women will still fancy women even if they transition to their true self as a female.
and this is an issue for gay women as you now have men claiming to be lesbians on lesbian dating sites.

Stephen 13-09-2024 12:01

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Generally this seems to be a very one-sided fear or hate. It's always oh no, how can 'men' get access to female spaces.

It never seems to be mentioned about female to male transgender issues. Making it really sound like people only have problems with the male to female aspect.

I am not just talking about here, it's in general also.

Also medical intervention etc isn't just give them drugs and let them have surgery. For many younger and older transgender folk it's also about the right support in terms of therapy sessions and talking to psychologists etc. As many people suffer from mental health troubles due to their feelings and also how they get treated by other people.

Chris 13-09-2024 12:39

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182885)
Generally this seems to be a very one-sided fear or hate. It's always oh no, how can 'men' get access to female spaces.

It never seems to be mentioned about female to male transgender issues. Making it really sound like people only have problems with the male to female aspect.

I am not just talking about here, it's in general also.

Also medical intervention etc isn't just give them drugs and let them have surgery. For many younger and older transgender folk it's also about the right support in terms of therapy sessions and talking to psychologists etc. As many people suffer from mental health troubles due to their feelings and also how they get treated by other people.

First of all I’d say you need to get used to this being discussed now it is entering mainstream consciousness. The TRA movement has nobody but itself to blame for people being shocked, having deliberately pursued a tactic of #NoDebate for many years. There *will* be a debate, because we live in an open and democratic society. If activists choose then to characterise any debate as necessarily ‘fear’ or ‘hate’ then they are simply making the same mistakes again. Honest debate does not smear opposing views as inherently hateful. It listens, considers and responds.

The reason the discussion tilts heavily towards men who identify as women, as opposed to the other way round, is that men and women are not equally vulnerable. Statistically, if a woman and a man are alone in a secluded space the woman is much more vulnerable than the man. This applies regardless of what gender each individual believes themself to be.

A male goes into a women’s toilet presents a risk to the women there simply because he is a man - regardless of the man’s dress, intentions, or personal beliefs about himself. The statistics and personal experience tell the women they must be wary.

The same does not apply when a woman goes into a men’s toilet. In that case it is *still* the woman who is at risk, for all the same reasons she is at risk when a man comes into her space. This applies whether or not the woman identifies as a man.

The problem with trans activism and #NoDebate (and its offspring, #BeKind) is that it wilfully ignores these things and demands everybody else does too. And that leads directly to the scandal at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre which was finally, fully exposed this week, and the resignation of the man who has been its chief executive for the past three years (Mridul Wadhwa, who believes he is a woman). Yes, they let a man run a centre intended as a refuge for some of the most vulnerable women in our society. And all because a certain section of society demands we treat men who say they are women, as if they actually are women. The results of this were predictable, and were predicted, by many people, many of whom were told to #ShutUp and #BeKind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2edeyzz0xmo

Maggy 13-09-2024 14:11

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182837)
Its a daft question since it cannot happen, and even if it were possible, I seriously doubt anyone would choose "commit suicide". :rolleyes:

Agreed! Stupid question.

Escapee 17-09-2024 17:03

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I'd quickly realise that I was sitting on a fortune.

Hugh 17-09-2024 18:22

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 36183060)
I'd quickly realise that I was sitting on a fortune.

I'm sure the ten pences would soon add up... ;)


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