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Southport stabbings latest: Riot police deployed and bricks thrown outside mosque

https://news.sky.com/story/southport...bbing-13186819



police vehicles set on fire

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Morons looking for any excuse to cause trouble.
Perhaps we should ship them to Rwanda instead.

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Stay classy purported members of the EDL

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Well if he wasn’t Muslim it’s pointless.

Although I think mass demonstrations on police or government buildings would be totally legitimate.

Muslims are able to congregate en mass, at whim, and play their cry-bully victim card.

We should learn from that.

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It's madness as the person arrested was British born of Rwandan parents, Rwanda being a Christian country.

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Worth noting these are people from across the country who came to cause trouble. According to reporters, they are also hassling the people who live there who've asked them to stop as well.

At least one police officer was injured. Hopefully, there are quite a few arrests.

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If the EDL learnt from that not to injure policemen and set police vans on fire that would be a good start. Bonus points if they can learn the difference between Muslim and Christian.

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Lee Rigby's killers were brought up as Christians. Not a guarantee of anything. They converted to Islam.

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They weren't 17 though, they were older.
Not a guarantee but probability is Christian. Certainly, no evidence available to date indicates Muslim as the EDL supporters have suggested.

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Christians aren’t able to congregate en mass, at whim ?

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They are but they don’t

That was my point.

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In the business is that not “radicalisation”?

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Ok,

And , which card should they be playing ?

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I didn’t mention any card, what card do you think?

Yes and sadly more and more everyday!!

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Ah Nigel, it seems that you have some questions for the government. If only there was some forum where the government could make a statement and questions be asked of the government by elected representatives of the people…

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There was a statement yesterday in the commons from the Home Secretary about this. He could have turned up and asked those questions then, as an MP, rather than skip it and do a video.

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And if he had turned up would he have been called? Would it have actually got answers or a scripted “it’s too soon to say”, “don’t want to prejudice an investigation”, “I’m speaking to X, Y and Z later today and I’ll update the House in due course”.

The last place he will get answers is the floor of the House of Commons.

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It isn't PMQs so the chance of being called was quite good. He may well have got 'it's too soon to say' because investigations take time but the question would be on the record and it's the perfect forum for him to ask it.

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It could well be "a fair and legitimate question", as he puts it, but it's not one he should be asking of, or suggesting to, his many thousands of social media followers. He should be asking the police themselves. All this video serves to do is fuel gossip, speculation and, potentially, disinformation.

He seeks to undermine confidence in the criminal system, the result of which we saw an example of on the streets of Southport last night. Shame on him.

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Interesting article in the Times about how the "protests" are organised.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/ar...ests-q22f07q5q

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Looking back at this statement now, what are your thoughts ?

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Can someone please tell me why or what they are rioting about? I just don't get it.

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It's sunny, nice to be out, footy isn't on , need some entertainment. Good excuse to get the Engerland top on...

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In a nutshell , unsubstantiated rumours (since proven gibberish) been used by a group of tools to further their agenda in the name of the horrible incident that occurred

TL:DR *******s being *******s

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Agreed and everytime sir kid Starver opens his mouth he annoys a section of society that probably didn't vote labour.

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Looking at what is on the streets today in Manchester and Blackpool it makes me question if the Neandertals did indeed die out.

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The video of the guy in Hartlepool who gets his arse bitten by the police dog is hysterical

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I feel sorry for the poor dog :).

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Another incident in Stockport, some "friendly fire" at about 12 seconds in...

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That is most tragic. The second brick hit his brains.

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There’s no way that last one wasn’t deliberate. :D

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Should have been harder.

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That is superb :D

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Another night of these mindless thugs rioting.

Burnt down a citizens advise bureau, a library (probably because these morons can't read) and looting stores everywhere.

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Shouting "save our kids" then torching shops with families sleeping above them...no (printable) words. :mad:

This country tends not to go easy on rioters and looters. And it looks like Starmer is getting the courts to open 24 hours to deal out swift justice.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2590813.html

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The toxic underbelly of violent English nationalism settings it's once every 10-15 year airing.

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Always summertime, we aren't good with warm weather. A signal to go out drink all day, get sunburnt kick off a few fireworks and do whatever the balaclava'd folks in the distant background say, but are too stupid to cover their own faces. They can't rememer what it's all about, but it's something to do till the footy season starts.

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In the same way that French wine companies are investing in English vine yards because of global warming, I wonder if increased temperatures will lead to more of a French-style frequency to street protests? Let's hope not.

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Fortunately, the riots this year to date seem far smaller than those that occurred in 2011 with over 3,000 arrests made back then.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0jq...360594722#post


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standar...6f8b7.jpg.webp

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It’s early yet.

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This isn't going to do Rotherham's tourist industry much good...

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Those rioting amd disturbing behaviour really is an abhorrent and disgusting act. It's very embarrassing too.

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Yes, it was booming holiday town until this happened, I had two weeks planned in early September. Will have scrap that now and see if there’s any availability in Mexborough.

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Youv'e never visited the place have you :)

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My sons girlfriend just showed me the planned riots on tictok with places and dates and it quite alot.

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Indeed it is far right thuggery and those doing it should be face the full force of the law.

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I think they should allow the military to support the police. The military know how to deal with Neandertals like this. I was involved in riots in NI back when i was in the military and we found baton guns were very good at pushing back a crowd when it got beyond the point the police could deal with. I expect this to escalate to the point where the Neandertals start throwing petrol bombs at the police.

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Fundamentally none of them will take Starmer’s threats seriously. About two weeks ago it was how we were going to have to release prisoners after 40% of their sentences.

There’s not enough police, not enough capacity in the courts system and not enough prison space. Undoubtedly there will be higher profile, lower hanging fruit. However the mob will likely continue with impunity for some time yet.

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Or chop their gonads off, which would be quicker, cheaper and more effective.

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There’s definitely idiot thuggery involved, and that masks the genuine concern many ordinary people have in this country about immigration. It also gives the government an out, to be able to dismiss the unrest as far right thuggery and not have address the underlining issues driving it.

A massive peaceful protest about immigration would be so much more powerful and not give the government anywhere to hide.

So the violent contingent of these protests are pig thick on every level.

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Literally said the same thing to my wife the other night. Get the army in and sort the lot of them out

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I hear the bibby Stockholm is available

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Time to get out the tear gas and plastic bullets. :erm:

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Indeed. Make it a 2 way range and see how they like it.

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Don't forget the water cannons as well.

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It might be the first wash some of them have had in months ;)

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Well, Boris bought some old ones from Germany and did them up, but Call-me-Dave wouldn’t let him use them in London. Then Sadiq sold them for scrap. So even if the legal framework was in place for their use in England (it isn’t), there aren’t any available.

I’m not going to pretend it wouldn’t be entertaining so see some of these idiots washed down the drain though.

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Well apparently we would not have to go far to get some.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cannon

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Bringing in the army is a massive step. They do not do civilian policing and this might make matters worse. We only need the army for this if it gets really out of control to the point there is no alternative.


Starmer was DPP during the London riots and his approach was that they would go for strong convictions to send a message this isn't acceptable. I think the same will happen here.

These people will regret their actions.

The prisons are a concern but the point of releasing those prisoners was to make space for violent offenders. Some more non-violent offenders will be released if needed to make room for these thugs.

There is a strong public interest in these people getting the full force of the law applied against them and I think there will be a political will to ensure that the law isn't held back by the prisons crisis.

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I agree on the public interest, but it'll blow over before anyone notices the outcomes, subject to getting arrested at all.

That said enough of them seem to be on suitably high quality video to be looking over their shoulders for some time.

To be a pedant on the new thread title no riots in Scotland yet despite Tommy alleging a stabbing in Stirling was a Muslim. Turns out it wasn't, it's not been confirmed precisely but I'm not even sure it was a random incident.

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The Holiday Inn at Tamworth now has a small fire going as a result of racist thugs responding to a Labour MP dog whistle.

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I said the Starmer honeymoon would be short.

A large proportion of those “far right” thugs, probably voted Labour, or are from communities that were historically Labour.

And Starmer derides and vilifies them, when it’s the political class of the last 30yrs that have created the conditions for this.

Much in the same way the miners rioted against Thatcher for destroying their industry, communities and livelihoods, the second generation from those same communities are rioting again because their communities and prospects are again being destroyed by politicians.

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I am not sure if these people voted Labour. I am doubtful they vote at all. But if you're burning down libraries, burning hotels with immigrants in them and dragging anyone who isn't white out of cars to beat them up I am not sure what about Labour's platform appealed to them.

And Starmer is right to vilify them. They're violent thugs. They do not represent the right, they don't represent the working class, and they don't represent people concerned with immigration.

Most Labour, Conservative and Reform voters will want these people dealt with strongly and support the police in doing so.

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Oh those miner strikes. I took part in miners strikes and marches when John Major was PM. Dad worked in the unions so we went with them to London, got a photo of a very young me (8-9)holding a sign stating Majors job, not miners jobs.

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They do represent people that the system has failed, though. They not only represent them they are people the system, and overarching political and economic consensus, has failed.

There's only so many times different politicians can dog whistle before the dog bites. Sure, we can all caricature Farage. But Conservative and Labour politicians have governed with the same dog whistle and broken promises along the way.

Starmer had a choice going into this election of embracing the dog whistle. He did and kicked out some left wing candidates to prove his centrist consensus credentials. To the glee of the talking heads.

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Some of them are violent thugs.

But there are violent thugs every where on all sides.

https://x.com/perky_43/status/1819842707717820877?s=61

https://x.com/jamiebrysoncpni/status...397918419?s=61

https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/182...790166245?s=61

That’s not to justify what’s going on in anyway, I just want “all” mobs that take to the streets dealt with….all of them.

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Not all miners protests were violent, I know that….some were, some weren’t….doesn’t change the point.

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Hammer…meet…nail

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After looking at those videos and then going through some of the tweets and replies, the far right really are knuckle dragging muppets. Honestly sending in the army to get them all off the streets.

They have twisted so much of whats been seen and said over the past few days it really is mind boggling how some of them manage to function on a daily basis. .

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So it’s the “replies” to the videos you’re concerned about and not what’s in the actual videos.

In the first video, which is pretty innocuous on the face of it, until you see there is a police officer talking to the crowd whilst the person right in front of him has a baseball bat. Just casually stood there.

Obviously just a sports fan.

Or the video with kid, looks like a kid, being beaten with sticks…hope they’re sticks.

When you say “far right” , you are correct because these muslim thugs are also as “far right” as you can get.

As they say, two rights are equally as wrong.

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In a bizarre turn of events…………

https://x.com/depthhidden/status/181...974168581?s=61

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After a week of riots the government is holding an Emergency cobra meeting,not quite sure they have a clue what emergency actually means:(

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Maybe the Reform leaders should be held to account for inciting this anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant violence? In the past, there was a clear fire break between the mainstream parties and the right wing nut jobs. Now is different, these wackos can find a comfortable home in what is seen as a mainstream political party. Totally different proposition.

You even have people like Farage and Anderson helpfully identifying their next targets to attack ...

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Why should the Reform leaders be held to a different standard from the Labour MP who said her constituents want their local Holiday Inn Express back? Not that I’ve ever known anyone to stay in a hotel in their own town.

A pure racist dog whistle.

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The vast majority at the moment are white. The Police have a tricky line to tow - whilst many of us would like to see more people arrested, I appreciate that they need to avoid making matters worse.

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They should of course all be held to the same standard.

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good luck with that.

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We need more and better trained police, a service damaged by 14 years of austerity. The fact that protestors could walk by and smash the windows of houses in Middlesbrough where people were living only encourages people to take the law into their own hands.

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Starmer will deal with her in due course I suspect however Reform will just double down on the "get our country back" narrative and so fuel these riots.

Labour is not the existential threat here ...

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They wouldn't even have gathered or been there if they weren't being attacked or having abuse and violence hurled at them.

Nice try though to make them out to be the bad ones.

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I think the Putin-amplified narrative this year is two-tier policing. So any videos that can be linked into this theme will reward their posters with bags of reposts.

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What does “in due course” mean and what do you expect from a PM that himself stood up and said there are too many migrants working in the NHS?

You want two-tier outcomes based on who you support and who you don’t. That fascism in action.

What’s the existential threat? Such needless hyperbole, alongside flawed outcomes, exacerbates the situation.

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If Britain can’t accept the problems it has created without invoking the Putin bogeyman it will never find the solutions.

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Best ignore his industrial grade whataboutery. He's desperate to deflect the blame from the obvious suspects to ones he really wants you to hate.

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That's fairly obvious and disgraceful in itself.

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Look, I know you hate Starmer and his Labour Party, I get it, I really do. However if you put Starmer in the same category as Farage then you have really lost the plot, big style.

If you think that Reform is a nice, cosy centre-ground democratic party then good for you. There is probably little I can say to change you views.

Starmer stood up and clearly condemned the riots and the thugs that carried them out. Here is Mr Farage by comparision:

Just in case, you are still in doubt: Former counter-terror chief accuses Farage of inciting Southport violence

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Such nonsense statements are unhelpful to wider discourse on the forum.

Did he, or did he not, make statements to the effect of there being too much migration (up to and including migrant workers in the NHS)?

Did one of his MPs, or did she not, identify one of the two IHG Group hotels attacked last night in the House of Commons?

If you are blind to this being the same dog whistle that’s on you, not me. And for fairness Rishi standing on a podium with “stop the boats” written on it is equally as bad.

Your mind reading skills may perhaps be worse than your political insight.

Mr Farage has indeed condemned the violence.

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1820347660538204565

In parallel with Starmer he blew the dog whistle now tries to distance himself from it.

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Not in the videos I posted. Can you expand on what you’re saying so I’m clear.


Are you saying police aren’t going to arrest Muslim gangs, in case they make matters worse?

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I said both sides have violent actors and both sides should be treated the same.

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Damn that pesky Putin

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https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...-live-13186819

Policing in the UK having a normal one as the commissioner of the Met damages the microphone of a journalist because he didn’t like the question.

Just as well it wasn’t Moscow, Pyongyang or Tehran otherwise everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales would be calling for sanctions until he was removed.

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To be fair, in those places the journalist would be likely to have an unscheduled appointment with a third storey window rather than just have his mic slapped by an angry old git (who has probably just had a very awkward meeting-without-coffee where he has had to justify himself to politicians who he probably rightly feels don’t understand what it is they’re telling him to do).

Everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales most likely understands this.

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A person who damages someone elses property is a far righ thug according to the PM

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I think many observers would like to see anyone who crosses the line arrested. However, the Police constantly need to balance this with a judgment call as to whether this would escalate matters.

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As long as one of the judgement calls isn’t based on race. The people of Rotherham have the scars to show for that kind of two-tier policing.

There’s also a risk it rewards the most dangerous, and penalises the idiots trying to steal out of Greggs. Not to diminish casual looting, but it’s a world apart from running round with machetes looking to attack other people in racially aggravated assaults.

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It won't escalate matters to arrest them.

They should be arrested with others when the police begin going though the videos in earnest and arresting those who avoid it on the day.

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https://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/...901836858?s=61

Sky news talking about the white riots as a group of muslims casually walk past with machetes, knives and metal bars.

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The term "two-tier policing" is gaining traction on (social) media seemingly to try and convince the wider population that the nice white gentlemen we see on our news reports are being hard done by and other, equally culpable, miscreants of an alternate ethnic persuasion are getting away with it.

An interesting article on this myth: How myth of two-tier policing helped spread trouble in Southport

So many rabbit holes, so little time ...

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Well they're comparing it a lot to the Palestine marches as if those marches had people smashing up stores, getting fire to buildings and beating people up.

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You forgot to include the videos of Muslims giving tea and biscuits to Police officers all day.

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No I didn’t, sorry does the tea and biscuits protect you from a machete?

I’ll have to give that a try.

Are all white people far right thugs? No of course not, neither are all Muslims.

It was more of a point about the media, there is a sky reporter talking about “far right” rioters as another group of far right thugs walk past brandishing weapons…..no giving an actual.

And she says nothing.

It’s akin to the mostly peaceful BLM riots reported in the US to the back drop of burning vehicles and buildings

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An interesting spin on the reality that 1400 to 2000 (estimates vary) of underage girls, largely white, were systematically raped over the best part of two decades by Muslim men who the authorities were afraid to pursue because of their ethnicity.

Accusations of two tier policing, unsurprisingly, happen when policing is race-based.

An inconvenient truth the establishment - media, politicians and the police - are more than happy to gloss over and feign surprise when people are unhappy about it.

The easiest way, of course, to avoid accusations of two tier policing is not to implement it. Something the article seems oblivious to.

Also entertaining is the lack of self-awareness among those who are calling for two tier policing to be part of the solution.

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The media are focusing on the far-right because they're making up the vast majority of the violence in the last few days.

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They didn't mention "white riots" in that video.

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Oh, Where they talking about that group of Muslims with weapons then?

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Another peaceful gathering, everyone holding a token of love and friendship.

Will Starmer and Cooper decry this, will they vow to protect people from them?

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1819786776942190896?s=61

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I doubt they're going to give an instant running commentary on every video posted on social media, much as you wish them to do so. And to verify each video's authenticity is not an instant process.

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As we have seen here, posting small video clips without context is a perfect vehicle for misinformation. He'll be talking about the lack of "British Values" next ...

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Works both ways