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2 children dead, 6 critical.

Details are slow in coming out.

But if it transpires that the reports on social media are correct…big “if” I know…….then the way this is being reported is abhorrent.

Keeping my powder dry until more facts come out.

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A 17-year-old, originally from Cardiff, has been arrested.

As he is 17, I don't think his identity will be published anytime soon. At least not by the police.

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I very much doubt that is the whole truth.

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Just seen a report that the attacker was indeed “born in Cardiff” ……

If true, changes the narrative somewhat and was the reason I was hesitant to weigh in.

We’ll see.

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No idea what your issue is here, its on the BBC report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t



Parents must be devestated, you dont think your child will die at a dance and yoga workshop. :(

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The issue was that social media chatter, not to be trusted hence my hesitancy, was that the attacker was an immigrant, named, that was initially housed in Cardiff then moved to Southport.

This was fuelled even further when the news outlets said “originally from Cardiff”.

News outlets have now revised that to “Born in Cardiff”. Which changes the narrative substantially, and most like calls BS to what’s been on social media all day. We wait and see.

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My thought exactly. Children are innocent. They went for a fun day out, did not deserve this and neither they or their parents expected this. The survivors, their families and the families of the deceased must be beside themselves tonight. How do the survivors - young children - begin to comprehend what happened and go about their daily lives without fear of this happening again?

Isnt that something Taf?

They can commit horrible crimes and still be hidden!!

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I would never (ever) believe "chatter" on social media.
I consider it largely useless as a reliable source for news.
[ 99% of the time, I only even view it when following links posted here ].

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I would expect following conclusion of a trial it would be deemed in the public interest. Indeed the 17 year old would turn 18 at some point in the forthcoming process if/when charges are brought etc. and lose the right to anonymity.

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Third girl dies after Southport dance class stabbing, say police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t

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Title updated. :(

A nine year old girl died overnight, the two killed yesterday were 6 and 7 (all three were girls).

Five children and two adults remain in a critical condition.

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Unspeakably sad and evil

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Farage’s thoughts on Southport…



As Armando Iannucci put it

Some might say he’s copying his hero who he may or may not have met at a convention recently…

https://wapo.st/4fnOmKh

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The court has ruled that there is public interest in naming Axel Muganwa Rudakubana. He turns 18 next week in any case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cydvr9d0vd3t

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The claim was being made that as the parents were Christian, their son couldn't possibly be a Muslim. I gave an example to disprove that claim. Others examples exist.
Nothing was meant one way or the other.

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Not that their son couldn't be a Muslim, but the probability being that he wasn't.

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How is it relevant ? There is no indication this attack was based on religion.

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Some people want it to be, and are disappointed when it isn’t…

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I just don't understand it, these were innocent little girls, what possible motive could there be?

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I’m going to stick my neck out and say the person who did this is soaked in online incel culture (boys and young men, don’t know how to be attractive to girls, get sucked into communities where they are taught to hate them instead, and blame them for all their unhappiness - incel = ‘involuntary celibate’).

Taylor Swift and her fans (‘swifties’) represent everything incels hate most, they are happy, strong, and promote a positive image of empowered femininity to girls and young women.

Unless the perpetrator personally knew someone there and had a personal grudge, then it seems most likely to me that it was targeted simply because the event had ‘Taylor Swift’ in its title.

:(

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It’s a decent shout.

I can’t believe a young man would undertake such a heinous attack totally on his own volition, there has to have been an external influencing factor driving him to this.

Either that, or he is a completed nut job and evil personified.

The parental situation is a bit ambiguous at the moment, in so far as we know he was born to Rwandan immigrant parents in Cardiff and later moved to Southport, But where are the parents now?

Did they move to Southport? are they still with him and in his life? Does he have siblings?


I think his family life may be key to understanding his actions

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It’s reported that he lives with his parents and his older brother in a semi-detached just outside Southport (Banks) - they all moved there in 2013.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...overted-child/

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I’m going to bet nuts. Probably been on the desk of some underpaid and overworked social worker for the best part of a decade.

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Again a decent shout, if he was on any kind of register, it’ll come out in due course.

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I suspect you're right but may not have made it to that social worker's desk. Time will tell.

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Posts about riots etc moved to a new topic, as best I can.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33712872

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Oh …….turns out he was a groomed budding Islamist.

News just being released before the budget ,,,cough,,,,,that’s been sat on for months.

I wonder if any of the keyboard jockeys jailed for suggesting he was a terrorist and stirring up hatred online will be released?

The Southport attack remains not classified as a terror attack, which it now almost certainly was.

https://news.sky.com/story/southport...-home-13243980

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/084...8f1987f572921a

* Serena Kennedy, the chief constable of Merseyside police

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What utter shite.

. ………terror is the motivation, I don’t understand that statement, what other motivation for stabbing and killing three tiny girls is there!

Really…..! I don’t think the swear filter is strong enough to contain what I would say.

OK…. What is the motivation for a young man that has terrorist material, trying to manufacture nerve poison and then murder 3 young girls……..multi-cultural social outreach?

Well it turned out the rumour and speculation ended up being correct, don’t believe everything the police, government and media tell you…I think…..is more accurate.

Starmer comes across again as an out of touch authoritarian, he demonised people with genuine concerns, called them all far right thugs, imprisoned several of them…………but their concerns ended up being correct.

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Always seemed odd that he targeted a specific small event.

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Axel Rudakubana has pleaded guilty to all charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c9q7r4wpep0t

This was a last minute change which took the court by surprise - they were prepared to swear in the jury and begin legal argument. The families of his victims weren’t even there because they were expecting the substantive proceedings not to get going until tomorrow.

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This will have the conspiracy fruits on social media going into melt down.

It has long been rumoured that this trial would expose things, I don't know what, that would shock and anger many people.

Conveniently, this will now not happen.

The rumours may now come out anyway as there is now no trial to prejudice, but will have a much diminished impact and can be waved away as gossip.

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t seen any "why"(other than the usual) for the what seems to have been a targeted attack. He didn't do the usual of going out onto a street and randomly attacking people.
Why wasn't it classed as a racist attack?

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Was everyone attending of the same race?

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By saying "Conveniently, this will now not happen" aligns you with the conspiracy theorists.

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Reporting restrictions will be lifted now so they can report more things they couldn't before. https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

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Why would it be classed as one?

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In terms of things coming out, this is one of them: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...orism-30820848

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These nutters are usually known to the authorities

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This one is even worse: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rt-attack.html

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3exxl8zp8o

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Now she want's the truth:rolleyes:

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I imagine Elon Musk will be asking for a second enquiry soon. ;)

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She couldn’t do anything before the case was tried - that’s the law…

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It would be good to get the first one too.

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His age when committing the crimes, 17, means the judge cannot impose a life term. One more year and he would get no chance of getting out which I'd hope would bring the families some comfort. However now it's a sentence more akin to looking over your shoulder.

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Minimum of 52 years, and he's 18, so no release until hes 70 (if he lives that long).

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He’s not getting out, and will probably get shanked in prison.

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The key word is ‘minimum’. If he survives until 2077, they will review whether he is safe to release under licence or if they keep him inside.

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I imagine he'll be placed in solitary confinement for his own safety or he won't last many of those 52 years.

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Its unlikely any of us will still be around in 2077 to know.
Nor I would think will most of the parents [of the children involved].