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President Trump 2.0

As of this morning, we know that Kamala Harris has enough endorsements from Dem convention delegates to say that the nomination will be hers. So we know that the presidential race will be Harris v Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51ywewzpz2o

So, from this point on, all discussion about the campaign should go in this thread … the Joe Biden thread should be used now only for discussion of the remainder of his presidency. The Trump thread ideally should be kept for his ‘troubles’ - i.e. any developments in the many prosecutions he is facing.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179563)

Trump is clearly suffering dementia and is declining noticeably.

I don't see that.

I saw a man get his ear shot off and have the wherewithal to get back on his feet immediately, tell his secret service detail to let him get his shoes on, and then punch the air for what will be one the most iconic photo ops of the 21st century.

I look forward to him debating the much younger Harris and see where we're at.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179570)

Then you’re wilfully blind. His campaign speeches over the past 6 months have been ever longer and ever more rambling. His acceptance speech last week was the longest in US history. His word salads and lost trains of thought - which occur as and when he goes off script - are classic dementia symptoms.

He needs his shoes because he has orthotic insoles (you can see them flying across the platform on some videos of the incident). He can barely walk straight even while he’s wearing them.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Trump is clearly suffering dementia and is declining noticeably. It no longer matters how healthy he is compared to Joe (though you’d be forgiven for thinking so, if you read what Trump and his lickspittles have been spewing out over the past 48 hours - it’s almost as if they don’t quite believe he’s going).

All the questions the Trumpers have been demanding of Biden have always applied to Trump too. It’s just that previously they could reasonably be directed at the man who looks much more physically frail. Now, though, they apply uniquely to Trump, and Trump can’t hide behind the thin excuse of being younger and fitter than the other guy. He might (just) be able to string a sentence together now, but what about late 2025? What about 2028, when he’ll be turning 82 (assuming he lives that long)?

I appreciate it no longer matters for the purposes of the election but I was responding to a comment that make a clearly incorrect statement.

I do think if you are of the opinion that Trump is noticeably in decline and genuinely believe he can “(just) string a sentence together” you are seeing what you want to see. He’s been giving unhinged press conferences and rallies since he ran the first time.

Democrats are walking a tightrope - they can’t say “ah but in 4 years he could be just as bad as Biden” while not invoking the 25th Amendment. It raises more questions about how long the President has been in decline, who has been covering for him and ultimately who is running the country?

Had Biden not been found out at the debate who would have been running the country for the next 4 years had he won?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179570)

I don't see that.

I can understand that you don't want to see it, in a similar way that Biden didn't want to acknowledge his cognitive issues by stepping down.

I don't think even you could interpret his infamous electric boat waffle and pretend that it somehow did not demonstrate signs of cognitive degeneration.

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Harris is too young for the job;)

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179573)

Had Biden not been found out at the debate who would have been running the country for the next 4 years had he won?

The same people who have been running it since 2020. I’m not an expert but the part of it I’ve watched most closely has been the administration policy on Ukraine, where it is evident a group of academic “escalation managers” led by Jake Sullivan have had the running. I assume similar to be the case in other policy areas.

I still believe the original intention was to parachute Harris into the job just short of this election so Biden would see out one term (more or less) while giving her the advantage of incumbency going into November 2024. But at some point those close to him have realised they quite liked running the country and persuaded themselves - and then him - to fight on. Presumably the idea then was to hand it over to her at some point mid the next term.

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It’s not the greatest counterargument to deep state conspiracies to essentially admit there’s a deep state tbh.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36179574)

I can understand that you don't want to see it.

It's not that I don't see it, I can't see it.....yet.

I didn't see any signs of decline during the debate, it was night and day between the two of them.

Well we'll see, if he declines to the level Biden is at, it will be obvious to all, it just isn't to me as yet.

When Biden ran last time, it was already obvious he was in decline.

Trump has always rambled with circular talk when he goes off, and indeed on, teleprompter. I haven't noticed any difference. The same rambling when he was off on the "injecting bleach" incident (which he didn't say) from four years ago.

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A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

If you took a pure text transcript of most, if not all, his speeches. They're all over the place, that's the way he talks.

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or when he was talking about the Charlottesville, he's all over the place:

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Reporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long."

Reporter: "Forty-eight hours."

Trump: "I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don’t know the facts. And it’s a very, very important process to me, and it’s a very important statement.

"So I don’t want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to --

Reporter: "So you had to (inaudible) white supremacists?"

Trump: "I brought it. I brought it. I brought it."

Reporter: "Was it terrorism, in your opinion, what happened?"

Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, here’s the thing --"

Reporter: (Inaudible)

Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here’s the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn’t even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened.

"Before I make a statement, I need the facts. So I don’t want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.

"And honestly, if the press were not fake, and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you, and unlike -- excuse me, unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "The CEO of Walmart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?"

Trump: "Not at all. I think the country -- look, you take a look. I’ve created over a million jobs since I’m President. The country is booming. The stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we’ve ever had in the history of our country. We’re doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So the head of Walmart, who I know -- who’s a very nice guy -- was making a political statement. I mean -- I’d do it the same way. And you know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement, that the statement is correct. And there was no way -- there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters. Unlike a lot of reporters --

Reporter: "Nazis were there."

Reporter: "David Duke was there."

Trump: "I didn’t know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts. And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well stated. In fact, everybody said, ‘His statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good.’ I couldn’t have made it sooner because I didn’t know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don’t know all of the facts.

"It was very important -- excuse me, excuse me -- it was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would have made a fast statement -- and the first statement was made without knowing much, other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made after, with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things -- excuse me -- there are still things that people don’t know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts."

Reporter: "Two questions. Was this terrorism? And can you tell us how you’re feeling about your chief strategist, Stephen Bannon?"

Trump: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. And that is -- you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. Because there is a question: Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Can you tell us broadly what your -- do you still have confidence in Steve?"

Trump: "Well, we’ll see. Look, look -- I like Mr. Bannon. He’s a friend of mine. But Mr. Bannon came on very late. You know that. I went through 17 senators, governors, and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that. And I like him, he’s a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. He’s a good person. He actually gets very unfair press in that regard. But we’ll see what happens with Mr. Bannon. But he’s a good person, and I think the press treats him, frankly, very unfairly."

(crosstalk)

Reporter: "Sen. (John) McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville."

Trump: "Well, I don’t know. I can’t tell you. I’m sure Senator McCain must know what he’s talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Well, I’m saying, as Senator --"

Trump: "No, define it for me. Come on, let’s go. Define it for me."

Reporter: "Senator McCain defined them as the same group --"

Trump: "Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at -- excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

"Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. As far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute. I’m not finished. I’m not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day --

" I will tell you something. I watched those very closely -- much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent."

Reporter: "Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

"So this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

"But they were there to protest -- excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead."

Reporter: "Should the statues of Robert E. Lee stay up?"

Trump: "I would say that’s up to a local town, community, or the federal government, depending on where it is located."

Reporter: "How concerned are you about race relations in America? And do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office?"

Trump: "I think they’ve gotten better or the same. Look, they’ve been frayed for a long time. And you can ask President Obama about that, because he’d make speeches about it. But I believe that the fact that I brought in -- it will be soon -- millions of jobs -- you see where companies are moving back into our country -- I think that’s going to have a tremendous, positive impact on race relations.

"We have companies coming back into our country. We have two car companies that just announced. We have Foxconn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I say, pouring back into the country. I think that’s going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? It’s jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay, and when they have that, you watch how race relations will be.

"And I’ll tell you, we’re spending a lot of money on the inner cities. We’re fixing the inner cities. We’re doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. It’s a priority for me, and it’s very important."

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

"Does anybody have a final --

Reporter: "What makes you think you can get an infrastructure bill? You didn’t get health care --

Trump: "Well, you know, I’ll tell you. We came very close with health care. Unfortunately, John McCain decided to vote against it at the last minute. You’ll have to ask John McCain why he did that. But we came very close to health care. We will end up getting health care. But we’ll get the infrastructure. And actually, infrastructure is something that I think we’ll have bipartisan support on. I actually think Democrats will go along with the infrastructure."

Reporter: "Mr. President, have you spoken to the family of the victim of the car attack?"

Trump: "No, I’ll be reaching out. I’ll be reaching out."

Reporter: "When will you be reaching out?"

Trump: "I thought that the statement put out -- the mother’s statement I thought was a beautiful statement. I will tell you, it was something that I really appreciated. I thought it was terrific. And, really, under the kind of stress that she’s under and the heartache that she’s under, I thought putting out that statement, to me, was really something. I won’t forget it.

"Thank you, all, very much. Thank you. Thank you."

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I want to be clear from page 1 of the thread:

I want Harris to win
I want the Democratic nominee, if it’s not Harris (unlikely), to win.

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Americans can't concentrate more than 3 seconds. If he can punch the air shout 'fight', and make a fascist salute. He'll still get the moron/hillbilly vote It's still questionable how much longer he'll be able to do even that though.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179583)

I want to be clear from page 1 of the thread:

I want Harris to win
I want the Democratic nominee, if it’s not Harris (unlikely), to win.

I'll also make it clear, my position hasn't changed.

That I really don't care that much, but just for entertainment value I think it would be hilarious if Trump won, just to see everybody lose their minds over it.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179585)

The World becomes a much a more unstable place, with a dictator given a free hand, to walk through Europe. Hilariously entertaining...

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179586)

The World becomes a much a more unstable place, with a dictator given a free hand, to walk through Europe. Hilariously entertaining...

Yeah, it is pretty depressing to know that there are people who want such a person in power just for kicks. Pretty moronic in my opinion. To support someone because you like their policies and respect the candidate's values is one thing, however to support someone because you just want to wind people up is another.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179583)

I want to be clear from page 1 of the thread:

I want Harris to win
I want the Democratic nominee, if it’s not Harris (unlikely), to win.

I look forward to your even-handed critique of both nominees/candidates…

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179585)

For someone who "don’t care that much", you spend a lot of time and effort defending Trump…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1721744179

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179586)

The World becomes a much a more unstable place, with a dictator given a free hand, to walk through Europe. Hilariously entertaining...

We’ve already had four years of Trump, the world didn’t end………..it was arguably safer.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36179587)

I’m in the position of having no influence whatsoever on the presidential race, so I’m just indulging myself.

Thinking about it, a Harris presidency might be even funnier.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179592)

For someone who "don’t care that much", you spend a lot of time and effort defending Trump…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1721744179

Well, there has to be a dissenting voice against those with TDS on here. You only have to look a Mr K’s post to see that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179591)

I look forward to your even-handed critique of both nominees/candidates…

Where I think it adds value, yes. But I’ve said before tens of millions of people voted for Trump unhinged in 2016 when he won and 2020 when he lost.

I don’t think the average voter who is even considering voting for him views the Stormy Daniels or classified documents cases as things. Everyone saw January 6th with their own eyes and I doubt court cases there will move the dial either any more than witnessing it on television at the time.

It’s certainly possible I’ll have no, or limited, criticism of Harris at all. Certainly not her ability to do the job as I had with Biden. Her policies are certainly going to be less objectionable than the Repulican ticket. Where the campaign mis-steps it might be worthy of comment but I’m certainly rooting for her. It’s an uphill task that will require laser focus on the issues that matter, those that will move the dial, and it shouldn’t get distracted by those that don’t/won’t.

Her first step, intentionally or otherwise, seems to be snubbing Netanyahu by not chairing the joint session of Congress. That’s a win for me.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179583)

I want to be clear from page 1 of the thread:

I want Harris to win
I want the Democratic nominee, if it’s not Harris (unlikely), to win.

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I don't believe that my vote will change anything, differently not a swing state .so in the past I tended to vote for a n other . Only wish that Michelle had been put forward, don't think that Harris will carry the swing states. At the moment my money would be on Trump. Good for USA worrying for the rest of the world. Who would have guessed that Biden would get covid and quit , or yes I did

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Your vote ?
You can vote in US elections ?

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Biden does seem to have chosen the perfect time to step aside for Harris, right at the end of the Republican convention, with Trump’s running mate locked in, right at the moment the polls would have been expected to reward Trump with an uptick in support … but now Reuters/Ipsos is showing a 2pt lead for Harris.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/har...ds-2024-07-23/

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We'll see how her polling does over the next few weeks, especially when she selects her VP.

But what I think she does do is give people who don't want Trump but couldn't vote for Biden an alternative so you might see some wavering voters come back to the Democrats. I still think Trump will be the favourite but now it's not as certain as it seems. To give some context to those poll numbers I think it's the first time Trump hasn't led in the polling against the presumed Democratic nominee for a year. Harris can hold proper rallies, she won't look mentally out of it for the debate and voters won't be concerned about her mental capability. The change in candidate has also led to the biggest surge in donations even apparently. So the Dems have money again.

The risk is that any polling bounce is soft, powered by a relief it's not Biden, and will collapse.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179618)

No doubt delayed to not allow any alternative other than "Hobson's choice" of Harris. Democracy not allowed in the Democrat party?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36179620)

No doubt delayed to not allow any alternative other than "Hobson's choice" of Harris. Democracy not allowed in the Democrat party?

Anyone had the opportunity to say they’d run against her on Monday morning. Nobody did.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36179619)

The risk is that any polling bounce is soft, powered by a relief it's not Biden, and will collapse.

I think the bounces for the assassination attempt, RNC, Biden bowing out and the DNC will all be quite weak and it’ll be a statistical dead heat in the polls into September.

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Trump won't debate her He knows he'll be on to a loser. . His mental decline will become even more apparent against a functioning opponent. He's already preparing the retreat...

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Former President Trump is pushing for the second presidential debate to be hosted by a network other than ABC, accusing it of bias against him as he shifts his attacks to Vice President Harris ahead of November.

“ABC Fake News is such a joke, among the absolute WORST in the business,”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...news-2024/amp/

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36179620)

No doubt delayed to not allow any alternative other than "Hobson's choice" of Harris. Democracy not allowed in the Democrat party?

The DNC Convention isn’t until the 19th of August - not sure what your point is?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179624)

The DNC Convention isn’t until the 19th of August - not sure what your point is?

Takes time to build a campaign and get the donations in place. Why else has the inevitable been delayed? Would Harris have been the choice if any campaign started a year ago?
No votes have been cast for her and nobody else is allowed to stand.

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At least she's a younger candidate..too many old men up until now..

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Interesting prediction from Gerald Ford on getting the first Female President:

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Question

Will the Democrats in the deep southern states vote for a Black woman, when some people there still believe in slavery?

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36179632)

Question

Will the Democrats in the deep southern states vote for a Black woman, when some people there still believe in slavery?

I'm not sure slavery supporters vote Democrat , regardless of candidate. It's the swing states that matter . There's a lot of women and black people in the US...

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36179632)

Question

Will the Democrats in the deep southern states vote for a Black woman, when some people there still believe in slavery?

There are no swing states in the Deep South. She only needs to win the same ones Biden won in 2020.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179635)

There are no swing states in the Deep South. She only needs to win the same ones Biden won in 2020.

Georgia would count. A state that went for Biden in 2020, part of the Deep South and one of the Confederate states.

But one of the things people miss about the Deep South is they also have large African-American populations. Georgia has a large number of those voters and that's what helped Biden in 2020, it might be a bigger help in 2024 for Harris.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179635)

There are no swing states in the Deep South. She only needs to win the same ones Biden won in 2020.

Can't wait till all the postal votes come in at the last minute to swing the election .

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36179647)

Can't wait till all the postal votes come in at the last minute to swing the election .

They often come in earlier than that, but Republicans in some States introduced laws stating that they could only be counted on Election Day.

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Fourteen states and Washington, D.C., do not allow counting to begin until the polls close:
Alabama, Alaska, District of Columbia, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont and Washington.

Twenty-three states allow counting to begin on Election Day, but before the polls close:
Arkansas, California, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-c...ting-can-begin

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36179647)

Can't wait till all the postal votes come in at the last minute to swing the election .

It’s alright, 14 million of them say Joe Biden. ;)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36179647)

Can't wait till all the postal votes come in at the last minute to swing the election .

Can’t wait for Donny to ring the States’ Secretaries of State to ask them to find him extra votes, or for him to set up fake Electoral College voters (again).

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Republicans against Trump tweeted who will last longer JD Vance or a lettuce :LOL:

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Andrew Neil seems to have explained it right.

"If Biden not fit to run again he’s not fit to remain as President . Not really. Now he’s off a gruelling campaign schedule his limited energies can be devoted to being President and he has a strong team around him. The country will be safe thru January.
It’s all been orchestrated by Obama and his surrogates. So what?
It’s just campaign noise/bluster from both sides. All that matters is that barely a week ago Trump pretty much had it in the bag. Now it’s a close contest. A contest which is barely underway and whose outcome is now impossible to predict.
We will soon see how long the Harris Honeymoon lasts and if she is a better campaigner than she has been in the past.
And if Trump still has the knack of being his own worst enemy."

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36179657)

Republicans against Trump tweeted who will last longer JD Vance or a lettuce :LOL:

The Trumpster dug till he found someone lower than himself. It took some doing.

A lettuce would give him serious competition.

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It’s very much a coup.

Biden, or his handlers, had no intention of standing down.

If a standing president was going to pull out of the race like this, there would be a press conference, or a live statement from the Oval Office.

No, what we got was a screen shot of a letter, badly typed, not on White House headed paper and only on X.

If you wanted to fuel a conspiracy, you couldn’t have done it better.

Biden …..Biden’s team…..have been out manoeuvred.

The most important person in all of this may well be the person that runs his X account. Once that suspect letter was posted, he had nowhere to go. Game over.

Straight from the Coup de Grace playbook, own the means of communication.

If it was an African coup, back in the day, they’d take over the tv broadcaster station, and then there’d be a speech to the nation from your new general…I mean president.

The democrats it would seem are not the bastions of democracy.

Harris, it would seem, is being appointed. That is not the American way.

There should be a process, to appoint the democratic nominee, there is plenty of time.

Nobody has voted for Harris to be the presidential nominee, and that is not American

It all stinks.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179692)

If a standing president was going to pull out of the race like this, there would be a press conference, or a live statement from the Oval Office.

No, what we got was a screen shot of a letter, badly typed, not on White House headed paper and only on X.

If you wanted to fuel a conspiracy, you couldn’t have done it better.

Biden …..Biden’s team…..have been out manoeuvred.

Bidens team are largely taking over the Harris campaign. Same campaign manager and senior staff. Only some of his closest allies were against this in the end.

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Harris, it would seem, is being appointed. That is not the American way.

There should be a process, to appoint the democratic nominee, there is plenty of time.

Nobody has voted for Harris to be the presidential nominee, and that is not American

It all stinks.

There isn't that much time to do a full primary. It would have to be a fight amongst the delegates in an open convention but they've already swung in behind Harris who had all the important power brokers behind her.

There wasn't really a proper primary this time around anyway as Biden was the sitting President and the two parties usually shut down a competitive primary when they're the incumbent in the White House.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36179694)

Bidens team are largely taking over the Harris campaign. Same campaign manager and senior staff. Only some of his closest allies were against this in the end.

Based on recent statements from Biden, do you think he stood down voluntarily? Or do you think it was done regardless? I know what I think.

He didn’t write that letter.

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The DNC is a month away, no reason why nominees couldn’t put themselves forward. To have Harris as a fait accompli, is not very “democratic” from the Democratic Party.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ris-nomination

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“Delegates are free to support who they choose, and we are glad that they are engaging in this important moment in history,” Harrison said. “As a party, we have an obligation to design and implement a fair nomination process for delegates to officially express their preferences through a vote, resulting in eventually an official nominee of the Democratic party who will go on to the top of the ballot in November.”

For a potential challenger to Harris, the window to file a notice of candidacy opens Thursday and closes Saturday, 27 July at 6pm ET. A candidate must submit a petition with 300 signatures from delegates before 30 July to be considered as a candidate for a vote by convention delegates. In the absence of a contest, the virtual roll call vote will be held on 1 July, said Minyon Moore, chair of the Democratic national convention. If not, virtual voting would begin on 3 August.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179700)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ris-nomination

2.5 whole days…….without warning………to get your shoot together…………

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https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden...-blog-13177655

Well he didn’t say why he’s standing down, he said in his mind he’d done enough to earn a second term…….so why doesn’t he run?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179701)

2.5 whole days…….without warning………to get your shoot together…………

30th July is 2.5 days?

If a nominee can’t get 300 Delegates in a week, they’re not a credible candidate…

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179698)

Based on recent statements from Biden, do you think he stood down voluntarily? Or do you think it was done regardless? I know what I think.

He didn’t write that letter.

I think he was forced out by the men in suits, or more specifically Pelosi and the men in suits. They went to him and told him the Democratic establishment no longer had faith in his candidacy and would be escalating the public pressure if he didn't step down.

I don't know if he personally wrote the letter but I do think he decided to issue it and step down. Any suggestion otherwise remains a conspiracy unless proof is provided.

I also don't think it's a 'coup'. They have not unseated the President but instead withdrawn their support for him to run again. He'll serve out his democratically elected term.

We've all been saying for weeks they should do this so I don't buy the confected outrage now they have.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179698)

The DNC is a month away, no reason why nominees couldn’t put themselves forward. To have Harris as a fait accompli, is not very “democratic” from the Democratic Party.

They should have had an open and competitive primary but they didn't because they, and Biden himself, made sure it was a fait accompli to have the sitting President run again.

Now they can't go back to the actual voters it is all about Democratic internal politics anyway - not the public - so does it make much difference democratically?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179710)

30th July is 2.5 days?

If a nominee can’t get 300 Delegates in a week, they’re not a credible candidate…

I was referring to the window to put yourself forward.

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the window to file a notice of candidacy opens Thursday and closes Saturday, 27 July at 6pm

Not a lot if time to decide if you want to, or indeed can, participate. You’re probably not going to get the best candidates.

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Ultimately the new process is less important - politically - than who knew what and when.

The chances of a credible candidate entering the race at this late stage are limited. Nobody can genuinely claim that it’s a reasonable opportunity to be afforded given the substantial costs of running a campaign and amounts generated in donations. There’s no Mayor in the 300 and somethingth biggest city jumping in for a 4 week campaign.

The pertinent question for the campaign - Republicans v Democrats - is only whether nobody had the opportunity by chance or by design.

If there’s a whistleblower out there that can evidence senior people within either the White House, party apparatus or both conspired to keep a secret Biden’s cognitive decline ahead of the primaries that would be hugely damaging.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179710)

30th July is 2.5 days?

I think someone's borrowed Truss's calculator. :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36179719)

I think someone's borrowed Truss's calculator. :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...3&postcount=50

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In the middle of the night seems an odd way to do it.

I thought they’d really pull out all the stops and have him introduce her at a rally.

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I am not sure why Obama took time, I assume it's just in case she didn't become the nominee. Obama is probably the best outrider/campaigner the Democrats have so they probably wanted to keep him out of the fray until it was done. I am sure once it was her they planned the announcement at the choosing of the Harris campaign.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36179757)

Probably to space the major endorsements out, rather than all at once…

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I don’t think Biden, Obama, Pelosi and the current Congressional leadership could have all gone at once without fuelling accusations of a coronation.

Biden obviously had to - to not would be a strong rebuke of his own VP (and directly questions his own judgement).

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https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-le...-polls-1929470

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JD Vance Is the Least Liked VP Nominee in Decades, According to Polls

JD Vance is the first non-incumbent vice presidential nominee to have a net-negative favorable rating after a convention since 1980, according to poll numbers.

The Ohio senator's net favorable rating was at -6 points after the Republican National Convention (RNC), according to CNN's senior data reporter Harry Enten. This is far behind the general average since 2000, which was +19 points.

Enten explained the numbers on Erin Burnett OutFront, which cited The Associated Press as the source.

"It's in negative net territory, negative—look at that—negative," he said. "I have gone all the way back since 1980. He is the first guy, immediately following a convention—a VP pick—who actually has a net-negative favorable rating. The average since 2000 is +19 points. J.D. Vance [is] making history in the completely wrong way."

I wonder why Trump’s previous VP didn’t just hang in there?

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/07/1.jpg

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Trump’s problem now is that for him to dump Vance is to admit he made a mistake. He should dump Vance - but is he capable of doing it?

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Can he dump him? The convention has happened, the roll call has happened, he is the VP pick on the ticket.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36179769)

Can he dump him? The convention has happened, the roll call has happened, he is the VP pick on the ticket.

Do they elect a VP nominee?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179768)

Trump’s problem now is that for him to dump Vance is to admit he made a mistake. He should dump Vance - but is he capable of doing it?

He’s so tragically bad it’d be a shame if somehow Trump had to drop out and he had to step up.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179770)

Do they elect a VP nominee?

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He’s so tragically bad it’d be a shame if somehow Trump had to drop out and he had to step up.

The Electoral College vote for President & Vice-President.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179772)

The Electoral College vote for President & Vice-President.

I know the electoral college do, but do the party conventions?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179773)

I know the electoral college do, but do the party conventions?

I believe the nomination roll call at each of the National Conferences is only for the Presidential nominee

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Binning Vance might not even be a net positive if the admission they’re in a panic about Harris adds to her momentum.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179777)

Binning Vance might not even be a net positive if the admission they’re in a panic about Harris adds to her momentum.

He won’t bin Vance…….based on the ever so accurate opinion polls there are around.

Vance was specifically picked because he does speak to a certain demographic.

In any event, VP’s don’t win or lose elections……Dan Quayle anyone? VPs are really inconsequential, if they were really important Harris would never have been one.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179766)

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-le...-polls-1929470

I wonder why Trump’s previous VP didn’t just hang in there?

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/07/1.jpg

That's the power of mascara

I have a theory that donny picked about the only person on the planet more toxic than himself, all the shithousery of trump with none of the laughs

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36179790)

I have a theory that donny picked about the only person on the planet more toxic than himself, all the shithousery of trump with none of the laughs

Yes, never let the person st the top choose their own successor - they'll always choose someone worse than them to make themselves look better! And with Trump's cognitive issues now being more openly discussed, a vote for Trump could well end up letting Vance into the White House.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179789)

He won’t bin Vance…….based on the ever so accurate opinion polls there are around.

Vance was specifically picked because he does speak to a certain demographic.

In any event, VP’s don’t win or lose elections……Dan Quayle anyone? VPs are really inconsequential, if they were really important Harris would never have been one.

Venture Capitalists?

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...silicon-valley

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…following his graduation from Yale he developed extensive ties with Silicon Valley’s investors and elites. His time as a venture capitalist, coupled with his status as a rags-to-riches media fixture, helped him make connections central to his political rise, as well as garner him influential supporters that pushed Trump to make him his vice presidential pick.

Following a brief period of work in corporate law after he graduated Yale, Vance moved to San Francisco and got a job at Thiel’s Mithril Capital venture firm in 2015. After Hillbilly Elegy became a bestseller in 2016 and brought him to national prominence, Vance joined the venture capital firm Revolution, founded by the former AOL CEO Steve Case.

Vance remained a part of the tech VC world after returning to Ohio and leaving Revolution in early 2020. He received financial backing from Thiel to co-found the venture firm Narya Capital – which, like Thiel’s enterprises, was named after an object from The Lord of The Rings, this time a ring of power made for elves. Other prominent investors in Narya included Eric Schmidt, the former Google CEO,and Marc Andreessen, a venture capitalist, who announced his own support for Trump this past week. The stated goal of Vance’s firm was to invest in early-stage startups in cities that Silicon Valley tended to overlook.

Narya Capital in 2021 led a group of conservative investors, including Thiel, to put money into Rumble, the video streaming platform that positions itself as a less-moderated and more rightwing friendly version of YouTube. Vance’s co-founder at Narya, Colin Greenspon, touted the investment as a challenge to big tech’s hold on online services – a frequent conservative talking point during the backlash to content moderation around the pandemic and 2020 presidential election. It was also around this time that Thiel, who heavily backed Trump financially during the 2016 campaign, brought Vance to first talk with Trump during a secretive meeting at Mar-a-Lago in February of 2021, according to the New York Times.

Although Thiel has pledged in recent years to stay out of donations to the 2024 election, Vance has since flexed his other Silicon Valley connections to ingratiate himself to Trump. The Ohio senator introduced David Sacks, a prominent venture capitalist, to Donald Trump Jr in March, the New York Times reported, and attended Sacks’ pro-Trump fundraiser in June, co-sponsored by Chamath Palihapitiya, Sacks’ co-host on the popular podcast All In. The event, which cost as much as $300,000 to attend, was held at Sacks’s San Francisco mansion and featured the investor thanking Vance for his help making the fundraiser happen. During an informal conversation at the dinner, Sacks and Palihapitiya told Trump to nominate Vance as his VP choice.

Sacks spoke at the Republican national convention Monday. In the days prior, he had also called Trump to advocate for Vance as the VP pick, as had Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson, the ex-Fox News host, according to Axios. Thiel also expressed his support for Vance in private calls with Trump, the New York Times reported. When Trump confirmed Vance would be his running mate, Sacks and Musk posted fawning celebrations on Twitter – with Musk saying the ticket “resounds with victory”.

Many of Vance’s wealthy tech elite and venture capitalist supporters now appear to be preparing to offer even more tangible support. Investors including Musk, Andreessen and Thiel’s co-founder in Palantir, Joe Lonsdale, are all reportedly planning to donate huge sums of money to back the Trump and Vance campaign.

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Whether a VP pick moves the dial or not is open to debate. Evidence doesn't indicate they bring their 'home' state to the table any more than anyone else.

That said, I can't help but think they represent some kind of counterweight to the top of the ticket to appeal to someone else across the board.

Bush/Cheney - Cheney the DC insider
Obama/Biden - old grey white guy. DC insider
Trump/Pence - political veteran
Biden/Harris - younger, woman of colour

Vance doesn't bring any appeal to anyone who wasn't already voting for Trump. And he's dull.

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Good news - Trump’s ear appears to have fully recovered after being shot by a bullet (travelling at a muzzle velocity around 2,800 feet per second - nearly three times the speed of sound) from a DPMS AR rifle …

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1722028713

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-att...-lago-13185562

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36179791)

Yes, never let the person st the top choose their own successor .

Or in the case of Biden, never let the people who are managing the person at the top choose his successor……let Nancy Pelosi do it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179792)

Venture Capitalists?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179793)

And he's dull.

Oh I don’t know … I think he’s made quite an impression sofa.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179794)

Are you suggesting he wasn’t hurt by the bullet? Or shot at?

You can see from this photo his ear is mainly intact, doesn’t mean he wasn’t shot at.

What are you implying, Just out of curiosity?

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I've had worse nosebleeds in fairness.

Nobody disputes he was shot at. Whether the bullet or incidental debris injured his ear seems a legitimate question if he's walking around claiming he was shot.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179794)

God does work in mysterious ways.

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36179800)

God does work in mysterious ways.

Especially if he puts you in a photo with the devil.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179799)

Whether the bullet or incidental debris injured his ear seems a legitimate question.

Debris from what ?

If you watch the original video there seems little doubt it was a bullet - that picture and original footage all seems to indicate it just nicked the edge of his ear.

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I wouldn't know what possible debris it could be. Hugh gave some comments earlier as to the spec of the bullet and rifle, I only added I'd worse nosebleeds.

I've not seen video that definitively shows Trump was hit by a bullet. I cut my knee on glass once playing football and have a visible scar twenty-two years later.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179804)

There is no possible debris, it was a bullet, the only “debris” was from the bullet itself.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-bul...191682e75101cf

To suggest otherwise implies you’re drinking from the conspiracy Kool Aid, as someone on here once said to me.

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It seems kind of a pointless discussion. I think the FBI director was guilty of caring too much about the precise details in a format where any nuance would be lost. To him, it is a difference if it was a bullet or debris from the bullet as it broke up (?) in midair but that has allowed some people to spin at as if he wasn't hit at all.

I think it probably was debris since his ear healed pretty quickly, he clearly hasn't had a chunk taken out of it, so as we know it was quite lucky he moved his head.

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The physical damage seemed quite minimal but the trauma is potentially more severe. Credit where it's due, Trump doesn't seem too overtly impacted mentally by it.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36179813)

The physical damage seemed quite minimal but the trauma is potentially more severe. Credit where it's due, Trump doesn't seem too overtly impacted mentally by it.

There's not a lot mentally to impact. He genuinely does think he's God.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179814)

There's not a lot mentally to impact. He genuinely does think he's God.

No, he thinks he was saved by God

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Any guesses for who Harris will pick for VP?

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Someone so white and so safe you could bottle him and call him Jacob’s Creek.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179834)

Someone so white and so safe you could bottle him and call him Jacob’s Creek.

Agree with the principle although most Jacob's Creek I've had, has been red. :)

I wonder if the composition of the President and Vice Presidents Democratic nominations in the future will come down to a formula of male and female, white and person of colour in order to appeal to as many voters as possible?

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Looks like Trump wants to establish a dictatorship and end elections! The sign of a sane ambitious individual or someone suffering from cognitive issues?

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Trump tells supporters they won’t have to vote in the future: ‘It’ll be fixed!’

Former president implores Christian supporters to vote ‘just this time’, then ‘in four years, you don’t have to vote again’

Donald Trump has ignited alarm among his critics after telling a crowd of supporters that they won’t “have to vote again” if they return him to the presidency in November’s election.

“Christians, get out and vote! Just this time – you won’t have to do it any more,” the Republican former president said on Friday night at a rally hosted in West Palm Beach, Florida, by the far-right advocacy group Turning Point Action.

“You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,” he said with a slight shake of his head and his right hand pressed against the left side of his chest.

He added: “I love you. Get out – you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...to-vote-future

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36179847)

I wonder if the composition of the President and Vice Presidents Democratic nominations in the future will come down to a formula of male and female, white and person of colour in order to appeal to as many voters as possible?

No need to wonder….Like the last two Dem tickets ……..Harris will make it three.

Unhinged Trump-haters go on profanity-laced tirade after attempted assassination

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUcglE5HAmI

Wow talk about being mad!!!!!!!

They dont like him fine but try to hurt him??

Way overboard...........

Mod edit (Chris) This is obviously an election campaign post and nothing to do with Trump’s prosecutions. Moved.

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36179855)

Unhinged Trump-haters go on profanity-laced tirade after attempted assassination

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUcglE5HAmI

Wow talk about being mad!!!!!!!:shocked:

They dont like him fine but try to hurt him??

Way overboard...........

Who started the tirades, abuse and language of hate? Who is against gun control? What goes around comes around eventually.

BTW the lad that took a shot at him was a registered Republican.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179858)

Who started the tirades, abuse and language of hate? Who is against gun control? What goes around comes around eventually.

BTW the lad that took a shot at him was a registered Republican.

It’s wrong, whichever side does it…

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36179866)

It’s wrong, whichever side does it…

True , but that's not the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179858)

BTW the lad that took a shot at him was a registered Republican.

Hmmmm…………..strokes chin, rolls eyes.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179908)

Hmmmm…………..strokes chin, rolls eyes.

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The man who shot Donald Trump has been identified as a 20-year-old registered Republican who was bullied at school and had an obsession with guns.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...tempt-suspect/
(Could be the Torygraph, speading Deep State lies again? :confused:)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179909)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...tempt-suspect/
(Could be the Torygraph, speading Deep State lies again? :confused:)

I’m well aware of how he was reported as a republican voter, that nugget was reported on the day, or day after, of the shooting.

There’s a lot, a lot, a lot, we don’t know about this young man or his motives.

That, he was listed as a republican voter, is neither here or there and means absolutely nothing in regards to his motives or affiliations.

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So far the FBI seem to think he didn't have a motive beyond killing a politician. Donated to Democrats, but registered Republican. He appeared to google the event schedule of a lot of senior politicians.

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Kamala Harris has been selected.

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US Vice-President Kamala Harris has passed the threshold to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in a vote of party delegates.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng1my55vno

Ya alot of ppl on City-Data figured she would........

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36180384)

Kamala Harris has been selected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng1my55vno

“Selected”. It’s like saying no one objected to Charles being named king.