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Hugh 19-07-2024 09:38

IT outages are reported across the world
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cnk4jdwp49et

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IT outages are reported across the world, affecting airlines, media, and banks

Many flights have been grounded, with queues and delays at airports

American Airlines says none of its flights are taking off and the IT problems are due to an issue with Crowdstrike cybersecurity software

Microsoft earlier said it was taking mitigation action, but the cause of the outage hasn't been confirmed

In the UK, railway companies report delays and say they're experiencing "widespread IT issues"

Some GP surgeries in England are having issues with booking appointments

Sky News has not been able to broadcast live, its executive chairman says
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1721378210

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There have been reports suggesting that a cybersecurity company called Crowdstrike, which produces antivirus software, issued a software update that has gone horribly wrong and is bricking Windows devices - prompting the so-called "blue screen of death" on PCs.

Now, whether these two issues are the same thing, or whether it's a perfect storm of two big things happening simultaneously - I don't yet know. It certainly sounds like it's going to be causing a lot of havoc.

We've contacted Crowdstrike for response but haven't heard back yet.
More details here

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technolo...rike-b3n2h5gmc

Update - if anyone is travelling today (by air), probably worth checking the airport website you are flying from - this is a banner on Leeds Bradford

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DUE TO ONGOING GLOBAL IT OUTAGES, SOME PAYMENT FACILITIES AND RETAIL OUTLETS WITHIN THE AIRPORT ARE CASH ONLY AT PRESENT. OUR ATM'S WITHIN THE TERMINAL ARE CURRENTLY OUT OF SERVICE. WE ADVISE CUSTOMERS TO BRING CASH WITH YOU TO MAKE PURCHASES IN THE TERMINAL. PLEASE CHECK THE STATUS OF YOUR FLIGHT DIRECTLY WITH YOUR AIRLINE.

Hom3r 19-07-2024 09:47

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Sky news came back around 9am.

But they have no banner or clock at the bottom of the screen.

Hugh 19-07-2024 09:54

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https://downdetector.com/?_gl=1*1al7...OTE3Ni4wLjAuMA..

Pretty alarming

1701-e 19-07-2024 10:22

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Anyone know how Liz Truss's first day at Microsoft is going?

Hugh 19-07-2024 10:32

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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36179318)
Anyone know how Liz Truss's first day at Microsoft is going?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1721381525

Pierre 19-07-2024 11:24

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Apparently, cause identified and fix issued.

Someone is going to get their wrists slapped.

Hom3r 19-07-2024 11:27

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My doctors surgery last Monday failed to put an urgent script for my dads medication by Thursday.


If they haven't done it my sister will raise hell and report the surgery to the appropriate, who will blame this IT outage.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179321)
Apparently, cause identified and fix issued.

Someone is going to get their wrists slapped.


Trouble is they test these updates on test systems, but the real world is completely different.

daveeb 19-07-2024 11:38

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Coincidentally quite a few financial institutions and others are currently undergoing "planned maintenance" on their websites when you try to log on. Admirable that they're turning a huge outtage into an opportunity to do some housekeeping :erm:

ianch99 19-07-2024 11:45

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Hope no one has any Crowdstrike shares :)

daveeb 19-07-2024 11:49

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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36179318)
Anyone know how Liz Truss's first day at Microsoft is going?

:D

Kursk 19-07-2024 11:52

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I blame the Labour Government.

Sirius 19-07-2024 11:54

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From what i heard it did not affect personal PC's running windows. I have been using Linux for the last 2 months on my main PC and it only affected me via services that i need to connect to that were on windows machines.

SnoopZ 19-07-2024 12:34

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My work please has over a 100 pcs and equipment affected.

denphone 19-07-2024 12:46

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36179329)
I blame the Labour Government.

Quelle surprise....

Kursk 19-07-2024 12:55

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36179336)
Quelle surprise....

It is de rigueur on this forum to blame the Government for everything. I am hoping to boost my popularity and reputation by getting in first.

Sirius 19-07-2024 13:33

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36179338)
It is de rigueur on this forum to blame the Government for everything. I am hoping to boost my popularity and reputation by getting in first.

:LOL:

Itshim 19-07-2024 14:10

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Don't worry it couldn't happen to your password manager !

Dude111 19-07-2024 14:30

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Originally posted by Sirius
From what i heard it did not affect personal PC's running windows.
I read on CD earlier people on Win11 were getting BSODs,,,

I hope everything is better now!!

Paul 19-07-2024 16:01

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Faulty update to Anti-Virus software.

The update was released by Crowdstrike overnight, so most systems failed this morning.

Basicially they crashed with the good old Blue Screen of Death.

The fix apparently involves one file.

Kursk 19-07-2024 17:02

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36179340)
:LOL:

In all seriousness though, shouldn't we have seen at least one Government minister providing reassurance on this global catastrophe? Millions of people affected (many with no idea about the impacts) and not even a peep out of the Government :mad:

Perhaps they've forgotten they are now in charge.

Chris 19-07-2024 17:07

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36179349)
Faulty update to Anti-Virus software.

The update was released by Crowdstrike overnight, so most systems failed this morning.

Basicially they crashed with the good old Blue Screen of Death.

The fix apparently involves one file.

I’m reading that to fix it you have to boot into safe mode and delete a single .sys file. But also that there is no remote fix, because without safe mode the PC just goes into an endless loop of reboots. So corporate users big enough to have in-house IT support will get up and running again soon enough, but private and small business users are screwed unless they buy support or are confident enough to find and follow online instructions. Many will be able to do this, many more will not.

I predict there will be a class-action lawsuit against Crowdstrike before the week is out.

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Not being a windows expert (or even a windows user) I can’t vouch for the veracity of this, but I am seeing multiple posts across the interwebs saying the manual fix is:

1. Boot Windows into Safe Mode or WRE.
2. Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\CrowdStrike
3. Locate and delete file matching "C-00000291*.sys"
4. Boot normally.

Paul 19-07-2024 17:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179354)
1. Boot Windows into Safe Mode or WRE.
2. Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\CrowdStrike
3. Locate and delete file matching "C-00000291*.sys"
4. Boot normally.

That looks reasonable.

ianch99 19-07-2024 18:50

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I am surprised that any global updates are not pushed out in waves to assess impact of initial deployments.

mrmistoffelees 19-07-2024 20:22

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Well that was a day and a half !!!!

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36179359)
That looks reasonable.

That is the fix from crowdstrike and it works just fine

jfman 19-07-2024 21:37

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Contactless payments were fine at Troon which was the extent of my IT use for the day.

Does seem slightly worrying that a minor error can have such significant consequences.

Pierre 19-07-2024 21:50

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179374)
Contactless payments were fine at Troon

Not jealous much.

Although, at halfway a couple of my bets are still live.

Paul 19-07-2024 22:13

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36179367)
I am surprised that any global updates are not pushed out in waves to assess impact of initial deployments.

More to the point, you would think they would check a machine still works after being updated (and rebooted) before pushing it out to anyone.

mrmistoffelees 19-07-2024 22:35

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36179376)
More to the point, you would think they would check a machine still works after being updated (and rebooted) before pushing it out to anyone.

A reboot wasn’t required to trigger, the csagent.sys file faulted in non paged and put machines into a boot loop

Our biggest headache was walking people on physical laptops through deleting the file as bitlocker caused some fun

AVD & w365 we just restored

Servers we automated the fix

Sirius 20-07-2024 12:11

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I must admit as a Linux user this was me yesterday :)

https://x.com/i/status/1814235168363987221

ianch99 20-07-2024 12:36

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36179376)
More to the point, you would think they would check a machine still works after being updated (and rebooted) before pushing it out to anyone.

Yes, of course, pre-roll out testing is a given and I do not understand why this was not done for a enterprise-grade production deployment.

What is flawed is the lack of a phased roll out to assess impact of new delivery. I am guessing that this update came via a Crowdstrike update process rather than Microsoft Update. This is why Microsoft is not really getting the heat for this.

I do not think Linux or MacOS would have been taken down this easily although I may be wrong.

denphone 20-07-2024 12:40

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36179375)
Not jealous much.

Although, at halfway a couple of my bets are still live.

Same here.:)

Chris 20-07-2024 13:43

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36179374)
Contactless payments were fine at Troon which was the extent of my IT use for the day.

Does seem slightly worrying that a minor error can have such significant consequences.

Please tell me you don’t cosplay like a PGA pro when you go to these things … Glasgow Central was full of utter tools getting trains down to Troon the other day :rofl:

jfman 20-07-2024 14:33

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36179391)
Please tell me you don’t cosplay like a PGA pro when you go to these things … Glasgow Central was full of utter tools getting trains down to Troon the other day :rofl:

:D

Happy to confirm a hoody, shorts (since it was still warmish for Scots) and a fairly comfortable pair of trainers was my attire.

The other “official” outfit seemed to be the tracksuit of a previous Open or Ryder Cup in the last two decades.

spiderplant 20-07-2024 21:01

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36179387)
Yes, of course, pre-roll out testing is a given and I do not understand why this was not done for a enterprise-grade production deployment.

I'd guess it was done, then something else went wrong during the world-wide deployment. Such as a file got corrupted during transfer, or someone accidentally published the wrong file.

DocDutch 20-07-2024 21:32

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quite a shocking amount of computers that were affected according to MS and that is only the ones I would suspect have telemetry on as well


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpe3zgznwjno
now also the Spammers are trying to take advantage :O



Thankfully at my work we have it only on servers which thankfully for a change isn't my responsibility so I was scot free :D



but I know of some ex colleagues that suffered hard

nffc 20-07-2024 21:39

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36179415)
I'd guess it was done, then something else went wrong during the world-wide deployment. Such as a file got corrupted during transfer, or someone accidentally published the wrong file.

Apparently not: https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/...76668095754753

spiderplant 20-07-2024 22:00

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36179417)

That doesn't explain how it got released

Hom3r 20-07-2024 22:24

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I remember back in Windows 95 you could get programs to run by putting a link to the exe.

Someone did this to shutdown, so it immediately shutdown on booting

Dude111 20-07-2024 22:43

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Originally Posted by Paul
More to the point, you would think they would check a machine still works after being updated (and rebooted) before pushing it out to anyone.

Yes well alot of peoples dont have good judgement anymore.....

Im glad it was fixed........ I dont think Ihave ever seen so many businesses networks not working like I did on friday!! (You dont realise how many are hooked up to the internet)

Paul 21-07-2024 02:46

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36179419)
That doesn't explain how it got released

It doesnt really explain much at all.
A "Null Pointer Exception" is very common, and easily caused (usually some sort of programming error).

In this case, the contents of the C-00000291.sys file they tell you to delete caused a crash in the code using it (csagent).
This means the error appears to be the csagent code, not the deleted file - it should handle bad data without crashing, but it didnt.

[Anyone who knows much about windows may also wonder why a file that basically seems to be data has a .sys extension, it really should not].

Dude111 21-07-2024 04:19

Wow I did a search Paul,I have 103 files with the .sys extention.....

28 are duplicates of another one....

Mr K 21-07-2024 16:35

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Too many of these 'outages' happening lately. Banks etc. Think we all know who to blame. Either we don't get an explanation or its blamed on things like a software update. Propaganda at work.

papa smurf 21-07-2024 17:26

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179447)
Too many of these 'outages' happening lately. Banks etc. Think we all know who to blame. Either we don't get an explanation or its blamed on things like a software update. Propaganda at work.

it's starmageden :shocked:

Paul 21-07-2024 17:51

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36179447)
Think we all know who to blame. Either we don't get an explanation or its blamed on things like a software update. Propaganda at work.

Ummm, Do enlighten us. :erm:


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