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Hugh 06-07-2024 15:54
Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Who do you think should be the next Leader of the Conservative Party?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f7f...69777781d34c01

Quote:
Contenders for the Tory crown

With the battle against Labour lost, the surviving Tory MPs can now focus on another political campaign for which many of them have long been preparing — the one to lead the party.

Kemi Badenoch: Former business secretary, North West Essex (2,610 majority)
The pitch: Anti-woke warrior who excites the Tory faithful. Badenoch’s standing among activists rose the more vocally loyal she was to Rishi Sunak. The 44-year-old has many admirers but a reluctance to woo MPs could cost her. One Tory figure said: “Kemi would start a fight in an empty room.”

James Cleverly: Former home secretary, Braintree (3,670 majority)
The pitch: Cleverly would be a challenge to the left because his childhood hardship hardened his belief in austerity. A supporter said the 54-year-old was a contrast to Starmer and Sunak “in that he’s actually human”. Another Tory said: “James could be the unifier — but the party might not want a unifier.”

Robert Jenrick: Former immigration minister, Newark (3,572 majority)
The pitch: Right-wing convert who can appeal to centrists and the next generation. Jenrick, 42, has been one of the most overt candidates in sounding out colleagues likely to win their seats. He is seeking a new audience and recently was the star guest at a *dinner hosted by Liz Truss’s PopCon group. One of those considering supporting him said: “He’s a calming influence … but he doesn’t have the Boris-style personality that attracts people.” Jenrick would put hardline immigration policies at the front of his campaign — but that might deter the One Nation caucus.

Dame Priti Patel: Former home secretary, Witham (5,145 majority)
The pitch: A Johnsonian candidate who can unify and attack. Patel, 52, has been studiously loyal to Sunak and is considering a pitch as the candidate who can unify the party. Questions remain, however, over whether her blunt rhetoric will hold her back.

Tom Tugendhat Former security minister, Tonbridge (11,166 majority)
The pitch: He is one of the few who would appeal to Tory members and voters. Tugendhat, 51, saw his chances boosted by Penny Mordaunt’s loss. A friend said: “After 1997, it took the Tories eight years and two failed attempts until they picked a winner in David Cameron. We need to avoid making the same mistake.”

Suella Braverman: Former home secretary, Fareham & Waterlooville (6,079 majority)
The pitch: A radical, clean-break agenda is needed to win back the red wall. Some Tories have said Braverman, 44, would be more at home in Reform UK, but she has called for the right to unite.

Victoria Atkins: Former health secretary, Louth & Horncastle (5,506 majority)
The pitch: Heir to the One Nation throne who can modernise the Tories. Oliver Dowden, the outgoing deputy prime minister, cited the 48-year-old as one of the “stars”. But another colleague said: “There’s no way she’ll get the members’ vote.”

Pierre 06-07-2024 16:24
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Surprised you haven’t put Nige on the list.

papa smurf 06-07-2024 16:28
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
They need new blood not a repeat of the tried and failed lot ,and perhaps someone who is actually a Tory not a liberal in disguise.

Mr K 06-07-2024 16:34
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36178676)
They need new blood not a repeat of the tried and failed lot ,and perhaps someone who is actually a Tory not a liberal in disguise.
Glad you're feeling better 😊

Hugh 06-07-2024 16:40
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36178674)
Surprised you haven’t put Nige on the list.
Since his membership of the Reform Party is incompatible with being a member of the Conservative Party under the Conservative Party Constitution (Part II - Membership, Section 3)

Quote:
The Party shall consist of its Members. Membership of the Conservative Party is not compatible with Membership of or association with any other registered political party.
he would not be eligible.

In order to be elected Leader of the Conservative Party, a candidate must be a serving Conservative Member of Parliament.

Escapee 06-07-2024 16:43
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
it was me, I'm the one that voted for Priti Patel.

There's something about Priti, I have always fancied having her in charge.

Mr K 06-07-2024 16:46
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 36178681)
it was me, I'm the one that voted for Priti Patel.

There's something about Priti, I have always fancied having her in charge.
In a dominatrix way? Can't think of any other talents.

Escapee 06-07-2024 16:53
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36178683)
In a dominatrix way? Can't think of any other talents.
I have visions of her, appropriately dressed and whip in hand:)

peanut 06-07-2024 17:28
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36178683)
In a dominatrix way? Can't think of any other talents.
She's way too small for that too. Sunak only put her in the cabinet just so he wasn't the smallest person there.

After bully-gate, there's something about her that just makes it too hard to warm to her.

Pierre 06-07-2024 18:05
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36178680)
Since his membership of the Reform Party is incompatible with being a member of the Conservative Party under the Conservative Party Constitution (Part II - Membership, Section 3)



he would not be eligible.

In order to be elected Leader of the Conservative Party, a candidate must be a serving Conservative Member of Parliament.
Give it a few years………..

Paul 06-07-2024 19:17
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
I dont know most of them, but I dont think Priti Patel or Suella Braverman would be great choices.

jfman 06-07-2024 19:38
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Get Rishi to stand down for a by-election and get Penny back! (From the list, and actual MPs, I chose Jenrick since the question says should and not will. I think it'll be Badenoch or Braverman).

Pierre 06-07-2024 20:00
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Out of that lot, Kemi is the only choice.

But it could be a complete unknown.

denphone 06-07-2024 20:46
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
l have gone for Tom Tugendhat as the Conservatives will never outdo Farage and need to tack back to the centre ground in order to become electable again.

Maggy 06-07-2024 22:32
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
I don’t care. I have had enough of them.

Angua 07-07-2024 08:03
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36178706)
I don’t care. I have had enough of them.
Agree. Most seem to be controlled by 55 Tufton Street, not a traditional Tory amongst them.

Paul 07-07-2024 15:33
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36178720)
Most seem to be controlled by 55 Tufton Street
:confused:

TheDaddy 07-07-2024 17:15
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36178744)
:confused:
It's where the money sorry lobbyists and right wing think tanks live

1andrew1 07-07-2024 21:16
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36178699)
Get Rishi to stand down for a by-election and get Penny back! (From the list, and actual MPs, I chose Jenrick since the question says should and not will. I think it'll be Badenoch or Braverman).
Penny was very strong at PMQs. Will be interesting to see if she's a politics remainer.

ianch99 08-07-2024 09:40
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36178670)
Who do you think should be the next Leader of the Conservative Party?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f7f...69777781d34c01
Just to clarify, should be or will be? I suspect this will be two different people.

Mr K 08-07-2024 13:08
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36178755)
Penny was very strong at PMQs. Will be interesting to see if she's a politics remainer.
I don't think it is very interesting.
Who will take over from Southgate is much more important than this irrelevant rabble.

Hugh 08-07-2024 13:34
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36178768)
Just to clarify, should be or will be? I suspect this will be two different people.
Should - personal preference

Kursk 08-07-2024 17:13
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36178777)
I don't think it is very interesting.
Who will take over from Southgate is much more important than this irrelevant rabble.
Wee Jimmy Krankie? With Fandabidozi playing at No.10.

denphone 19-07-2024 17:03
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Suella Braverman expected to defect to Reform.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/su...re_article-top

Quote:
Conservative MP Suella Braverman is expected to quit the Conservatives and join Nigel Farage’s Reform UK later this year, according to sources in both parties.

pip08456 19-07-2024 18:34
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36178706)
I don’t care. I have had enough of them.
Exactly Maggy, I'm with you. Why is that option not available?

heero_yuy 19-07-2024 18:41
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36179363)
Exactly Maggy, I'm with you. Why is that option not available?
In five years you'll fed up with Starmer as well and begging to have the Torys back.:D

pip08456 19-07-2024 18:49
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36179364)
In five years you'll fed up with Starmer as well and begging to have the Torys back.:D
I've voted once in a General Election in 50 yrs of being able to do so. I have never ever cared about any of them. So, I truly don't care.

ianch99 19-07-2024 18:49
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36179364)
In five years you'll fed up with Starmer as well and begging to have the Torys back.:D
If you find yourself begging for the Tories to come back, look around you and see if there is anyone in the room wearing a white coat :)

Damien 19-07-2024 19:36
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36179355)
Suella Braverman expected to defect to Reform.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/su...re_article-top
MPs defecting is nothing new but it's usually some time after the election when there has been a notable shift in the party.

It would look so poor to defect this quickly after being elected.

1andrew1 22-07-2024 09:32
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Interesting survey results of what a new Conservative leader faces
Quote:
Brexit and Partygate are the key legacies of the Tories’ 14 years in power, according to a new poll.

Research by Savanta found voters are mostly likely to remember the Conservatives for their most disastrous and divisive acts, rather than any positive record in Government. Brexit (43%) and the scandal of lockdown-breaking gatherings in Downing Street (41%) top the list, followed by Boris Johnson's bungling response to the pandemic (33%).

Voters also said they would remember Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-Budget (31%) and the Rwanda deportation scheme (27%), which has now been ditched by Keir Starmer. Only 8% of people said the party would be remembered for more positive things such as London 2012 Olympics and legalising same-sex marriage.

It comes as the Tories battle to rebuild the party from the wreckage after suffering the worst General Election defeat in history. A bitter leadership contest looms, with eight top Tories tipped to throw their hats in the ring, including ex-Home Secretary James Cleverly and former Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch.

Tees Valley Mayor Lord Ben Houchen called on ex-Home Secretary Suella Braverman to act "with civility" after she warned the party risks becoming "centrist cranks".

Chris Hopkins, Political Research Director at Savanta, said: “The next leader of the Conservative Party - and likely several after - will have to contend with the public's perception of the Conservatives' time in office for the last 14 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...dbf065d4&ei=23

tweetiepooh 22-07-2024 15:40
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Surprise that people remember the negatives more than the positives. Not really. The press focus on the mistakes and it generates more heat than doing well.

daveeb 22-07-2024 16:28
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36179533)
Surprise that people remember the negatives more than the positives. Not really. The press focus on the mistakes and it generates more heat than doing well.
Most observant people just remember it for the horror show that it was. The majority of the press in fact went out of their way to deflect from the constant corruption and mistakes.

spiderplant 22-07-2024 17:26
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36179533)
Surprise that people remember the negatives more than the positives.
Were there positives?

ianch99 22-07-2024 18:29
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36179538)
Were there positives?
Yes, if you were a Tory donor.

1andrew1 22-07-2024 19:33
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36179538)
Were there positives?
If you seized the opportunities then yes. Those opportunities being to supply PPE, no due diligence or experience required except having Ministerial connections. And to discretely supply alcohol to No 10 during lockdown.

heero_yuy 22-07-2024 19:34
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36179538)
Were there positives?
Furlough that saved many people's livelihood and the companies that they worked for and still now work for. The subsidising of peoples energy bills that kept the heating on for the most vulnerable and the roll out of immunising jabs months ahead of the EU's botched procurement.

Yes mistakes were made but with the likes of Ferguson and Witty predicting that the population would be dropping like flies in their millions it's not surprising that a measure of panic ensued.

Pierre 22-07-2024 22:12
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36179546)
Furlough that saved many people's livelihood and the companies that they worked for and still now work for. The subsidising of peoples energy bills that kept the heating on for the most vulnerable and the roll out of immunising jabs months ahead of the EU's botched procurement.
As a Tory voter since 2010 until the last election (which I didn’t vote Tory), you might expect me to agree with this post.

But no, furlough was their own making. You can’t shut down the economy and then expect credit for compensating those that you have banned from earning.

They shouldn’t have locked down, they shouldn’t have crippled the country or put us under house arrest to begin with.

Their response to covid, and their antics during should, and did, attract nothing but disdain.

In their 14 yrs they have achieved nothing of note, they had a mandate after 2019 to revolutionise the UK’s economy and relationship with the world, and they royally screwed it up.

Their legacy is to give us Kier…fffin…..Starmer, We’ll done.

1andrew1 28-07-2024 22:10
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
One B in, one B out!

Chances of Braverman defecting to UKIP must have increased as she has withdrawn from the leadership race and says Party ‘doesn’t want to hear truth’ about why it lost the election.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/295292...y-leader-race/

And Badenoch has entered the leadership race.
https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-bade...sunak-13186188

They're conspiring to wreck the carefully-constructed CF poll! :D

Maggy 29-07-2024 13:33
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36179364)
In five years you'll fed up with Starmer as well and begging to have the Torys back.:D
Well I won't!

denphone 29-07-2024 14:00
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36179970)
Well I won't!
Me neither as its very likely Starmer will to somes displeasure have two terms at least to sort the almighty mess that the Conservatives have left this country in..

daveeb 29-07-2024 16:22
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36179972)
Me neither as its very likely Starmer will to somes displeasure have two terms at least to sort the almighty mess that the Conservatives have left this country in..
I hope I never see another Tory government again and I'm not planning on dying any time soon.

Dave42 30-07-2024 00:00
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/07/3.jpg

OBR confirm £21.9B black hole left by the nasty party

---------- Post added 30-07-2024 at 00:00 ---------- Previous post was 29-07-2024 at 23:54 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36179984)
I hope I never see another Tory government again and I'm not planning on dying any time soon.
:clap::clap::clap:

Damien 30-07-2024 06:25
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
FYI It's not the '£20 billion' that is the problem exactly.

The allegations are a further overspend not accounted for in the last budget. Namely that the cost of housing asylum seekers was not included in the figures and that a £9 billion contingency was spent multiple times over.

https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1817933176930508802

Quote:
Rachel Reeves says £6.4bn overspend on asylum this year. Huge number. Does genuinely appear to have been unfunded.
https://x.com/BenZaranko/status/1817937159292117436

Quote:
Need to see the detail, but I think Rachel Reeves has grounds to be cross. The in-year funding pressures do genuinely appear to be greater than could be discerned from outside. The £9bn contingency ‘reserve’ has seemingly been spent several times over. It’s a mess.
That's from the IFS.

That said everyone is right to say the £20 billion was known about as was the fact a deal would need to be done with the Junior Doctors.

Paul 04-09-2024 18:26
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Two left (Robert Jenrick, Kemi Badenoch).

Quote:
Former cabinet minister Priti Patel has been knocked out of the Conservative leadership contest in the first round of voting by Tory MPs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d7y92n31zo

Pierre 04-09-2024 19:08
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
I’d like to see Badenoch take it on, would be interesting if nothing else.

Chris 04-09-2024 19:28
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182525)
I’d like to see Badenoch take it on, would be interesting if nothing else.
Interesting is the best they can hope for - whoever gets the gig is likely to do a Hague and keep the seat warm for the first half of their spell in opposition, maybe even to the extent of making no difference whatsoever to the outcome of the 2028 election.

Paul 04-09-2024 19:49
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
I was going to say, never heard of him, then I looked them up, so never heard of her ...

Mr K 04-09-2024 19:54
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Priti Patel has been 'eliminated' apparently. Didn't like her, but RIP...... Typical of the nasty Tories.

The Jenrick bloke will win as he looks oily enough for the role. Another decade in opposition, back stabbing and 12 leaders will follow.

1andrew1 04-09-2024 20:12
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Badenoch is bookies' favourite apparently. But as Chris indicates, it's really just a house-sitting job for at least two terms.

Mr K 04-09-2024 20:36
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36182534)
Badenoch is bookies' favourite apparently. But as Chris indicates, it's really just a house-sitting job for at least two terms.
Mmm, doesn't tick the right boxes for a lot of the members. Mind you, when they last gave members a say they went for Truss....
No wonder the rules have been changed. Mps will narrow it down to 2, before the members get a choice this time. Lesson learnt.

.

Dave42 10-09-2024 17:03
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Mel Stride drops out of race with just 16 votes

Mr K 10-09-2024 17:18
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36182769)
Mel Stride drops out of race with just 16 votes
Poor Melvin, why does nobody love him?

This is all very Agatha Christie, and then there were 4.... I bet it was Dave Cameron with the commons mace in the HOC bar that did for Priti Patel.

Apparatently the final 4 will face off in a 'beauty contest'. Don't fancy Jenricks chances... He's never suited swimwear.
Quote:
The four surviving candidates – Jenrick, Badenoch, Cleverly and Tugendhat – will now be subject to a “beauty contest” at the Conservative party conference in early October, where they will make their case to party members.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ership-contest

Hugh 09-10-2024 16:44
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Kemi Badenoch & Robert Jenrick go through to the final round of Tory leadership contest

Results:
Kemi Badenoch 42 votes
Robert Jenrick 41 votes
James Cleverly 37 votes

Next up - members pick next party leader

Chris 09-10-2024 17:15
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
KB is said to be the members’ favourite. She would certainly make for an interesting PMQs performer I think.

Taf 09-10-2024 19:15
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
The top runner has a third of the Members behind her. Does that mean that two thirds think she's not up to the job?

Dave42 09-10-2024 19:25
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
both the final 2 will be a total disaster for the tories

Paul 09-10-2024 19:29
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36184044)
both the final 2 will be a total disaster for the tories
Based on what ?

TheDaddy 09-10-2024 19:32
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36184033)
KB is said to be the members’ favourite. She would certainly make for an interesting PMQs performer I think.
I hope she wins, it'll be the end of her like it was Howard, IDS and that other muppet who liked 10 pints of beer :erm:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36184045)
Based on what ?
Everything they've said and done :shrug:

Dave42 09-10-2024 20:12
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36184045)
Based on what ?
based on how bad they both were in government and them both going further right wing they both trying to out Farage Nigel Farage

the tories lost more seats to the Lib Dems than they did to reform uk they going to far right like Labour did go too far left with Corbyn look what happened there it will just benefit Labour and Lib Dems the tories going further right wing IMHO but time will tell

Mr K 09-10-2024 20:52
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Further to the right, further away from the electorate, further away from Govt thank God.

Up to the members now, they chose Truss last time they were given a say, so whoever is madder will win. Tough competition that.

daveeb 09-10-2024 23:04
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36184053)
Further to the right, further away from the electorate, further away from Govt thank God.

Up to the members now, they chose Truss last time they were given a say, so whoever is madder will win. Tough competition that.
On that premise it's a very tricky one to call, I could see Jenrick squeezing in but what a dreadful choice to have to make.

1andrew1 09-10-2024 23:07
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36184033)
KB is said to be the members’ favourite. She would certainly make for an interesting PMQs performer I think.
Sir Keir will be readying the champagne. He's in need of some good news and this contest is not disappointing.

Damien 10-10-2024 08:16
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
It looks like Cleverly had the numbers but his supporters tried to play games about who went though to face him.

Chris 10-10-2024 09:00
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36184062)
It looks like Cleverly had the numbers but his supporters tried to play games about who went though to face him.
One of the bigwigs was on The World At One yesterday warning them against doing exactly that thing. I think they knew this was a risk, and his warning was that there were too few Tory MPs presently in Westminster for that to be a sensible strategy - it was always going to come down to a small handful of votes one way or the other. It seems some of them failed to heed the warning.

1andrew1 10-10-2024 09:07
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36184066)
One of the bigwigs was on The World At One yesterday warning them against doing exactly that thing. I think they knew this was a risk, and his warning was that there were too few Tory MPs presently in Westminster for that to be a sensible strategy - it was always going to come down to a small handful of votes one way or the other. It seems some of them failed to heed the warning.
Lol, puppets!

Pierre 10-10-2024 09:16
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
It’s irrelevant who is the leader of the opposition at this time, I’d like to see Badenoch get it, just for the hell of it.

jonbxx 10-10-2024 09:27
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
It’s a story as old as time. A party gets voted out of government and does some navel gazing as to how this could have happened. It seems the conclusion each time is that they weren’t left or right wing enough. See Michael Foots Labour, William Hague and Iain Duncan Smiths Conservatives, Labour under Jeremy Corbyn (there was a Milliband intermission there)

The Conservative Party did well under the one nation conservatism of David Cameron, Theresa May and arguably Boris Johnson but parties never learn.

Eventually, opposition parties drift back to the centre and I am sure the Conservatives will again. I would be very surprised if either Kemi Badenoch or Robert Jenrick will be in place to fight the next general election

Escapee 10-10-2024 10:24
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Out of the 3 of them my view is that Badenoch is the best one to be facing them from the opposition benches.

papa smurf 10-10-2024 12:45
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
looks like cleverly supporters out clevered themselves :)

Damien 10-10-2024 12:53
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 36184071)
Out of the 3 of them my view is that Badenoch is the best one to be facing them from the opposition benches.
I think she'll be the best commons performer but I am not sure if she'll be the best in terms of elections.

She is very good at speaking to the Tory base and picking fights with the left, but that alienates many voters. Her comments on maternity pay may have 'triggered' the left but also moderate voters.

She risks being the Tories' version of Corbyn. Very popular with the base, ideologically different to the opposition but not speaking to the wider country.

But who knows? How you pander to members can change once you've won their votes.

thenry 30-10-2024 14:21
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Rishi Sunak is a repulsive person. He makes me physically sick.

He did do one good thing though. He united the country in kicking him out :bsmack:

Goodbye.

1andrew1 30-10-2024 14:39
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36185086)
Rishi Sunak is a repulsive person. He makes me physically sick.

He did do one good thing though. He united the country in kicking him out :bsmack:

Goodbye.
One of their better leaders albeit he performs better in the House of Commons when on the Opposition benches. Either of his immediate successors will be a downgrade and a gift to Starmer.

thenry 30-10-2024 14:45
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Anyone can criticise, it's an opinion which everybody has. His successor will show the real state of the party, mayhem. The gift was King Charles disagreeing with Priti Patel.

Paul 30-10-2024 16:35
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36185086)
Rishi Sunak is a repulsive person. He makes me physically sick.
You should see a doctor then, thats really not normal. :erm:

thenry 30-10-2024 16:50
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185090)
You should see a doctor then, thats really not normal. :erm:
The doctor would simply say stay away from him. I was exposed to him earlier today otherwise I'm generally good staying away from harm. :angel:

thenry 31-10-2024 13:26
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Voted other, Larry the cat

papa smurf 31-10-2024 15:29
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36185163)
Voted other, Larry the cat
purrrrrfect :)

ianch99 02-11-2024 11:12
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Badenoch wins

Paul 02-11-2024 15:52
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Indeed she has, should be interesting times.

Mr K 02-11-2024 18:19
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36185275)
over 40 thousand tories didn't even vote
Nobody would let them out of the care homes to do so.

Paul 02-11-2024 18:19
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36185275)
over 40 thousand tories didn't even vote
Not sure what your point is ? People often dont vote in elections, of any kind.

Millions didnt vote in the general election, over 250,000 didnt vote in the labour leader election.

Dave42 02-11-2024 18:24
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185277)
Not sure what your point is ? People often dont vote in elections, of any kind.

Millions didnt vote in the general election, over 250,000 didnt vote in the labour leader election.
just thought the none votes would be lower but as you rightly point out always people that dont vote in elections

Damien 03-11-2024 07:34
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Party electorates are always very small and unrepresentative. That's why I would prefer that when the party in Government needs to change its leader, it is done only by their elected MPs rather than members. MPs have a greater mandate to decide the next PM than self-selecting party obsessives.

Dave42 03-11-2024 11:27
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36185283)
Party electorates are always very small and unrepresentative. That's why I would prefer that when the party in Government needs to change its leader, it is done only by their elected MPs rather than members. MPs have a greater mandate to decide the next PM than self-selecting party obsessives.
well said :clap::clap:

Chris 03-11-2024 14:20
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36185288)
well said :clap::clap:
Indeed. It also is more respectful of parliamentary convention which is that the individual the monarch is advised to invite to become PM should be the one most likely to have the confidence of the house. It is inherently unstable (as well as dishonest) if the individual chosen does not really have the support of their own back benchers, and they are only playing along until enough of them can get a coup going.

Paul 03-11-2024 14:30
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36185283)
That's why I would prefer that when the party in Government needs to change its leader, it is done only by their elected MPs rather than members.
The Consertatives are not in Government atm though, nor were Labour when they chose their last leader.

heero_yuy 03-11-2024 14:50
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185273)
Indeed she has, should be interesting times.
She studied computer science at Sussex uni so there's a brain there. With logic she'll take two tier Keir apart. :)

Chris 03-11-2024 14:58
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185295)
The Consertatives are not in Government atm though, nor were Labour when they chose their last leader.
On the other hand, Boris Johnson, Teresa May, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak were all chosen while in government.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36185296)
She studied computer science at Sussex uni so there's a brain there. With logic she'll take two tier Keir apart. :)
She’s a clear and confident orator as well. She’ll make a good leader of the opposition. Doesn’t make her a shoo-in to win an election 4 years from now though; Michael Howard was a great performer against Tony Blair, but no beans.

Damien 03-11-2024 14:58
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185295)
The Consertatives are not in Government atm though, nor were Labour when they chose their last leader.
Yeah but if you're not in Government then the voters get to decide to make you PM. So that's fine.

Hugh 03-11-2024 16:06
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36185296)
She studied computer science at Sussex uni so there's a brain there. With logic she'll take two tier Keir apart. :)
Only because she couldn’t get into Warwick, as her grades weren’t good enough… ;)

Leeds Uni - 15th in Times Higher Education (THE) best Universities in U.K., 123rd in World Universities Ranking, member of the Russell Group, & Starmer graduated with a 1st in Law, then did a PG Bachelor of Civil Law degree at Oxford.

Sussex Uni - 26th in Times Higher Education best Universities in U.K., in the 201-250 section in World Universities Ranking, not a member of the Russell Group, & graduated with a ?? (couldn’t find her grade anywhere) in Computer Systems Engineering degree, then did a PG MEng at Sussex. (tbf, she then gained her LLB from Birkbeck whilst working, so that shows a good work ethic).

It’s a lot harder to achieve being accepted into a Post-Grad course at Oxford if you went elsewhere for your first degree, than it is to be accepted to continue your studies at the same place you did your degree.

Oxford is 1st in the World University Rankings, Birkbeck is in the 301-350th section, and Oxford is 7th in the THE Law ratings, whilst Birkbeck is in the 126-150th section

Not sure your assertion is sound, based on that information…

Damien 03-11-2024 16:28
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Yeah I mean in terms of education both Sunak and Starmer hardly are underachievers in their non-political careers.

OLD BOY 03-11-2024 19:15
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36185283)
Party electorates are always very small and unrepresentative. That's why I would prefer that when the party in Government needs to change its leader, it is done only by their elected MPs rather than members. MPs have a greater mandate to decide the next PM than self-selecting party obsessives.
Maybe so, but they seem to stick to the same liberally-minded types. The Party needs a shake-up, and I think that’s what Kemi can achieve.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36185297)
On the other hand, Boris Johnson, Teresa May, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak were all chosen while in government.

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She’s a clear and confident orator as well. She’ll make a good leader of the opposition. Doesn’t make her a shoo-in to win an election 4 years from now though; Michael Howard was a great performer against Tony Blair, but no beans.
Yes, but there was something of the night about him…:erm:

daveeb 04-11-2024 16:44
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36185305)
Maybe so, but they seem to stick to the same liberally-minded types. The Party needs a shake-up, and I think that’s what Kemi can achieve.

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Yes, but there was something of the night about him…:erm:
:D:D Never hear of a guy called Boris Johnson, he had more of the night about him than Nosferatu.

Pierre 04-11-2024 18:47
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
She has one mission and one mission only, and that is to appeal to the red wall and disaffected conservatives and make Reform irrelevant.

That’s no small task against the Charismatic Farage.

But, you know what, I don’t think Farage’s heart is really in it. I don’t think he actually really wanted to stand….he left it long enough.

If she makes decent inroads to Reform, I think Farage will call it a day, he’ll make more money outside of Parliament

Hugh 06-11-2024 20:07
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From the new Conservative leader’s first PMQs today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw0...50e41e50a#post

Quote:
Conservative leader Badenoch asks the prime minister if he will match the commitment the Tories made to raise defence spending to 2.5% of national income by 2030.

Starmer says there is "no more important duty" than keeping people in the UK safe.
He says the government is "committed" to the 2.5% spending on defence, adding that it was last met under the previous Labour government 14 years ago.

Badenoch hits back, saying he will not make that commitment. She says last week's Budget did not mention defence.
From last week’s budget…

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks...ng-2024-10-30/

Quote:
LONDON, Oct 30 (Reuters) - British finance minister Rachel Reeves said on Wednesday she would provide the defence ministry with an additional 2.9 billion pounds next year and promised an annual 3 billion-pound support for Ukraine would continue for "as long as it takes".

In her first budget speech, Reeves said the extra spending would take Britain towards its goal of allocating 2.5% of GDP towards defence, and ensure the country exceeded the NATO commitment of spending 2%.

She added that the promise to maintain the annual military support to Ukraine came on top of a 2.26 billion pound loan, part of the G7's Extraordinary Revenue Acceleration agreement announced last week, to aid the country in its war against Russia.

Damien 06-11-2024 20:16
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Wasn't a great start for her at PMQs, strangely flat, but there will be plenty more to come.

Pierre 06-11-2024 20:49
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36185550)
From the new Conservative leader’s first PMQs today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw0...50e41e50a#post



From last week’s budget…

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks...ng-2024-10-30/
He’s committed to it, but this budget doesn’t achieve it.

Happy to throw £3B every year to Ukraine, with no receipts.

Hopefully, when Trump ends the war, that £3B can be added to the defence budget to get to 2.5%

Hugh 06-11-2024 21:24
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
The point you seem to be ignoring was that she said last week's Budget did not mention defence, when, in reality, last week’s budget did mention defence…

Pierre 06-11-2024 21:47
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36185565)
The point you seem to be ignoring was that she said last week's Budget did not mention defence, when, in reality, last week’s budget did mention defence…
Oh wow! And that’s like more important than committing to 2.5% or not.

Keep Focusing on the important stuff!

Hugh 07-11-2024 00:27
Re: Conservative Leadership Contest 2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36185569)
Oh wow! And that’s like more important than committing to 2.5% or not.

Keep Focusing on the important stuff!
Oh wow! One thing actually happened, and was a factually incorrect statement by the new leader of the Conservatives on her first PMQs, and the other is something you think might not happen…

Here’s something else that actually didn’t happen - after 2010, the U.K. has spent under 2.5% of GDP on Defence.


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