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Ken W 04-07-2024 06:51

Password manager
 
Looking at Google for a password manager there are several.

Any recommendations as to a good one?

ianch99 04-07-2024 09:02

Re: Password manager
 
Bitwarden is very good

SnoopZ 04-07-2024 09:04

Re: Password manager
 
I use Bitwarden Free it's one of the best, I tried to move my aging parents onto one though and that didn't go too well so they're back to coded paper passwords, I have a feeling you may struggle based on your recent IT help posts, but you should try and give it a go and not give up too soon.

https://bitwarden.com/pricing/

tidder23 04-07-2024 14:07

Re: Password manager
 
Google Chrome has one built in which sinks to your Google account

it's relatively simple to use
if you have an android phone it will automatically sync to that

I looked at all the others and they all seem to have the same risk

unless you are a government entity I think it will be just fine security wise

the biggest thing you will be avoiding using a password manager is using the same password on more than one site

Itshim 04-07-2024 14:07

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36178432)
I use Bitwarden Free it's one of the best, I tried to move my aging parents onto one though and that didn't go too well so they're back to coded paper passwords, I have a feeling you may struggle based on your recent IT help posts, but you should try and give it a go and not give up too soon.

https://bitwarden.com/pricing/

Not a dig ,what happens and how likely it something like this being hacked. Main reason I rely on memory :shocked: just counted 27 :erm:

tidder23 04-07-2024 14:21

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178461)
Not a dig ,what happens and how likely it something like this being hacked. Main reason I rely on memory :shocked: just counted 27 :erm:

you can never know what the risk is because you don't know weather somebody in the company has done something stupid to compromise things

but it's a much more likely danger of you getting lazy and using the same old passwords
we all do it in the end lol

SnoopZ 04-07-2024 15:27

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178461)
Not a dig ,what happens and how likely it something like this being hacked. Main reason I rely on memory :shocked: just counted 27 :erm:

I don't really have a professional answer to this other than I think it's pretty secure, all my passwords are completely random gobbledygook which I can't possibly remember, I have 2FA enabled so if someone tried to log in on the website I would get a notification to allow it or not, i usually use their mobile app and if im on PC which is very rarely a browser plug in for it with just one password.

At the end of the day I have likely 100s of log ins on there for various sites so if something did happen it wouldn't be a disaster as I don't put anything really important on it, any banking passwords are on paper and in code so no one could possibly use that info if they got hold of that.

Itshim 04-07-2024 17:50

Re: Password manager
 
Never really looked into them, how do you get in to it? Single password?

Paul 04-07-2024 17:53

Re: Password manager
 
I also use Bitwarden (Free version).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178481)
Never really looked into them, how do you get in to it? Single password?

Yes, a master password, so make sure its a good one, and you can remember it.

I think you can also set up 2FA on bitwarden, not sure on that.

You can set the browser extension not to time out, so you rarely need to login once done.

Jaymoss 04-07-2024 18:12

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36178482)
I also use Bitwarden (Free version).


Yes, a master password, so make sure its a good one, and you can remember it.

I think you can also set up 2FA on bitwarden, not sure on that.

You can set the browser extension not to time out, so you rarely need to login once done.

I have 2FA set on mine then open with a pin on previously logged in browsers

Itshim 04-07-2024 18:57

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36178482)
I also use Bitwarden (Free version).


Yes, a master password, so make sure its a good one, and you can remember it.

I think you can also set up 2FA on bitwarden, not sure on that.

You can set the browser extension not to time out, so you rarely need to login once done.

Perhaps it my paranoia but if your one password is worked out every thing is opened, seems like a daft idea to me:cool:

Jaymoss 04-07-2024 19:08

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178495)
Perhaps it my paranoia but if your one password is worked out every thing is opened, seems like a daft idea to me:cool:

That is why all your important log ins need to have 2FA set up on them. Especially things like Amazon which can take payments once logged in

All my accounts that have any sort of finance assigned to it would need access to my mobile phone and biometric data to be able to log in. None of them just need a password

Itshim 04-07-2024 20:04

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36178498)
That is why all your important log ins need to have 2FA set up on them. Especially things like Amazon which can take payments once logged in

All my accounts that have any sort of finance assigned to it would need access to my mobile phone and biometric data to be able to log in. None of them just need a password

Sorry have very little idea what you are talking about. :confused:

Jaymoss 04-07-2024 20:22

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178503)
Sorry have very little idea what you are talking about. :confused:

Most websites now especially if you add financial information offer a security feature called 2 Factor Authentication. So you sign into your website then the site sends a code (often 6 digits) to your mobile phone that you have to add to the site before it lets you in. My mobile phone is locked and needs a my finger print to open so basically it becomes very difficult for someone to access any site I spend money on even if they were to steal my password.

Hugh 04-07-2024 20:24

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178503)
Sorry have very little idea what you are talking about. :confused:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchsec...authentication

Quote:

What is two-factor authentication and why is it used?
Two-factor authentication (2FA), sometimes referred to as two-step verification or dual-factor authentication, is a security process in which users provide two different authentication factors to verify themselves.

2FA is implemented to better protect both a user's credentials and the resources the user can access. Two-factor authentication provides a higher level of security than authentication methods that depend on single-factor authentication (SFA), in which the user provides only one factor -- typically, a password or passcode. Two-factor authentication methods rely on a user providing a password as the first factor and a second, different factor -- usually either a security token or a biometric factor, such as a fingerprint or facial scan.

Two-factor authentication adds an additional layer of security to the authentication process by making it harder for attackers to gain access to a person's devices or online accounts because, even if the victim's password is hacked, a password alone is not enough to pass the authentication check.
For example, I use 2FA for anything financial - if I pay for something online, Amex or my Bank will send me an 6 digit code (either by text message or email) that I have to enter on the Purchase authorisation page, before it will be accepted/processed.

So any fraudster would have to not only have my credit/debit card, they would need my phone (which is secured by biometrics) or access to my email account (which, on my phone and tablet, is additionally protected by biometrics, so even if I had left my phone/tablet unlocked, they still couldn’t access my email).

Paul 05-07-2024 00:56

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178495)
Perhaps it my paranoia but if your one password is worked out every thing is opened, seems like a daft idea to me:cool:

Hence you use one that cant be "worked out". Plus as noted, there is 2FA.

Itshim 05-07-2024 17:50

Re: Password manager
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36178537)
Hence you use one that cant be "worked out". Plus as noted, there is 2FA.

Really tell that all the businesses that have had there computers hacked (for want of a better word) What happens if the provider gets hacked O, let me guess they cant:D this sounds more and more like a marketing dept Dream think of something that no one needs and convince them they do.

Jaymoss 05-07-2024 18:15

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178619)
Really tell that all the businesses that have had there computers hacked (for want of a better word) What happens if the provider gets hacked O, let me guess they cant:D this sounds more and more like a marketing dept Dream think of something that no one needs and convince them they do.

We have said we use 2FA
If you do not have it set then you are far more vulnerable than those of us using a password manager. Yes if there is a data breach all are passwords are unsafe but we still have 2FA protecting us. What is protecting you from a data beach on any of your log in hosts?

incidentally I use Bitwarden and my passwords are encrypted behind a single password but guess what? even if there was a breach they still need 2FA to access the encrypted passwords getting my Master Password will not give them access

Paul 06-07-2024 01:54

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178619)
Really tell that all the businesses that have had there computers hacked (for want of a better word) What happens if the provider gets hacked O, let me guess they cant:D this sounds more and more like a marketing dept Dream think of something that no one needs and convince them they do.

Yes, really. I wonder who knows more about IT security, you or me ?
If you going to act as if you know it all, dont waste our time asking for help.

Itshim 06-07-2024 14:56

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36178646)
Yes, really. I wonder who knows more about IT security, you or me ?
If you going to act as if you know it all, dont waste our time asking for help.

I did not ask for help :rolleyes: have you seen the warning put out by O2 . Remember a secret is only a secret if you don't tell ANYONE. Calling IT secure is "emperors new clothes syndrome". I assume that you do read the news. Banks , NHS major, businesses have problems, but I guess they didn't ask you for
help:shocked:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...wsApp_AppShare

Jaymoss 06-07-2024 15:59

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178662)
I did not ask for help :rolleyes: have you seen the warning put out by O2 . Remember a secret is only a secret if you don't tell ANYONE. Calling IT secure is "emperors new clothes syndrome". I assume that you do read the news. Banks , NHS major, businesses have problems, but I guess they didn't ask you for
help:shocked:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...wsApp_AppShare

They should all have the option to set up 2FA

Hugh 06-07-2024 16:05

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178662)
I did not ask for help :rolleyes: have you seen the warning put out by O2 . Remember a secret is only a secret if you don't tell ANYONE. Calling IT secure is "emperors new clothes syndrome". I assume that you do read the news. Banks , NHS major, businesses have problems, but I guess they didn't ask you for
help:shocked:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...wsApp_AppShare

You appear to be confusing end-user access security (you and I as customers of various companies trying to prevent others from fraudulently accessing our accounts) with companies abilities to prevent hackers accessing their systems to gain information - whilst part of the same gamut of security, we all have some responsibility (and self-interest) in reducing others ability to defraud our accounts.

Paul 06-07-2024 19:11

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178662)
I did not ask for help :rolleyes:

You asked a question. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178662)
have you seen the warning put out by O2

Yes, its totally irrelevant to bitwarden.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36178662)
Remember a secret is only a secret if you don't tell ANYONE.

Then dont tell anyone :dozey:

Jaymoss 06-07-2024 19:21

Re: Password manager
 
I think we are seeing here a total lack of willingness to learn from people who know better. A few of us have gone into detail on how password managers are safe to use with 2FA but the fear of a mass data breach is too much to cope with. This is fine but in this case the lack of understanding of what 2FA is and an unwillingness to learn about it makes them more vulnerable anyway.

Hom3r 12-07-2024 12:20

Re: Password manager
 
I used to use LassPass which synced across my PC, Phone & tablet.


But they decided to go down the pay if you want 2 or more route, so I just deleted my details and account,

SnoopZ 12-07-2024 12:49

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36179024)
I used to use LassPass which synced across my PC, Phone & tablet.


But they decided to go down the pay if you want 2 or more route, so I just deleted my details and account,

Me too and I moved to Bitwarden Free which alot of people seem to have done.

Paul 12-07-2024 13:16

Re: Password manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36179025)
Me too and I moved to Bitwarden Free which alot of people seem to have done.

I was one of them, moved from LP to BW about 3/4 years ago now.


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