President Biden
 

Well, this is only going to get messy. Out on the campaign with Kamala today with no intention of dropping out.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ection-updates

(I thought since this might run and run it worth it's own thread)

Re: President Biden
 

At this point I simply have to confess I don’t know well enough how to read American politics. If this were the UK then “I’m not resigning” would be the final stage of grief before accepting the inevitable and stepping down.

Re: President Biden
 

He's still better than the alternative on offer. Mind you so would Jimmy Krankie be. How on earth can't there be better candidates in a country of 342 million?

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:D

I hadn't considered this but I guess we are in a situation completely without precedent. Our parties have clearly defined processes to oust a leader, and for a Cabinet Minister the jump or be pushed is usually the nudge required.

Re: President Biden
 

It was clear the DNC pooped their pants after the last debate, the fear that the game was up was palpable.

Harris would never get the nomination for the top job, but she’s been groomed to go along with it. She’s been offered that when Biden finally expires in year or two, she’ll get the top job.

The question is, who’s calling the shots?

Is the current presidency Obama’s third term? Or Jill Biden’s 1st?

Either Harris will continue to be an Obama puppet, or Jill has told her it’s the only way she’ll be president.

How long will the concoction of drugs they’re giving Biden to get through these appearances keep working?

On a debate stage, without a teleprompter he has nothing to keep his train of thought on track and that was very evident last time out. He almost shut down at the first hurdle before he was rescued buy the host.

Tomorrow they go again under the same rules, no audience (as that could distract and disorientate him), strict cutting of mics (so they can’t get into a back and forth discussion that could confuse him).

Biden’s team moved these debates forward, well forward, from when they usually happen. They’re both still presumptive nominees. It was moved forward because of concerns of what condition Biden would be in, in Sept/Oct.

There’s another debate tomorrow, it will be somewhat overshadowed by events here but probably more interesting. He’ll probably get through as they’ll up whatever dose he’s on.

I don’t see how makes it another five months, I really don’t.

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If there? I thought there was only one more, in September.

Re: President Biden
 

You really are drinking deeply of the Fox News/Sky News Australia/Washington Examiner Kool-Aid...

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Sorry, you’re quite correct. I was listening to a podcast a couple of days ago referring to the upcoming debate, which was actually the debate just gone, as I was several days behind.

Based on that. I don’t think he’ll make the next debate.

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You think Biden’s calling the shots?

Obama said it himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ob...ting-work.html

After you’ve watched that……..is it beyond the realms of possibility……….I think not.

Re: President Biden
 

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/07/1.gif


The first rule of conspiracy club is "you don’t tell everyone about it on a major broadcast TV show"…

Re: President Biden
 

If in his words, he is unable to debate anything, then discussions of policy with his staff just become something where he accepts what he is told, ie he's a puppet.

Re: President Biden
 

Where did Biden state he is unable to debate anything?

Re: President Biden
 

Or you do, that way nobody suspects you ;)

I gotta give him credit if he is gonna try and stay in!!



With how bad things are,why would anyone want it??

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Well he might have joked about it, but then what if the opportunity actually presented itself?


Anyway, like I say, who do you think it calling the shots?


Because it isn’t Joe, and if you think it is, I doubt your stories of military intelligence in Germany during the 80’s, because I would expect that would need a level of critical thought and i don’t think anyone, anyone with a brain, believes Joe Biden is in charge of that administration.

Re: President Biden
 

Link

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Bidens debating is better than your comprehension, that’s for sure.

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So some of the CNN commentary is highlighting that Plan B is Harris, the implication being that Biden and former Presidents would endorse her, with Biden instructing "his" delegates to vote for her.

Could be reading too much into it, but certainly it's a signal to Governors with their own ambitions that there would be significant amounts of party apparatus leaning against them. There's also the problem that Harris polls badly.

I wonder if a few weeks of an enhanced profile will be used to "test" her polling numbers to see if they can get dragged up.

Re: President Biden
 

Reality …………is departing.

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Harris is not plan B for the DNC

Unless, conspiratorially (hi Hugh), she’s in someone’s pocket. Nobody likes Harris, even Harris thinks Harris is an idiot.

Re: President Biden
 

If somebody is unable to debate/discuss a known subject, they are not going to be able to debate/discuss a new subject that can come up before a President. Somebody will put forward proposal X, and a President, CEO, etc, should be able to debate/discuss the pros and cons. The alternative is to have to blindly accept proposal X without understanding why.


A good example of blindly accepting something without debate/discussion is Paula Vennells and the Horizon scandal at the Post Office.

Re: President Biden
 

Blindly accepting things like injecting yourself with disinfectant can cure covid? Or any other thing you read on the interweb/your fave social feed, like a certain Presidential candidate does?

Most serious negotiations are done behind the scenes by one's officials. Public speaking/personalities/fake tans is just window dressing.

Re: President Biden
 

Directly from you quote

‘don’t debate as well as I used to’

Now, not being able to do something as well as you could before does not equate to that you’re unable to do it. Which is what you claimed

Make sense ? Or do we need to get the crayons out ?

Re: President Biden
 

Doubt away, it doesn’t change reality… (and it was in the 70s and 80s - you know, when you said we didn’t have RAF aircraft carrying nuclear weapons…).

Once again, you descend to ad-hominem attacks…

Re: President Biden
 

Well, I’ve stuck a tenner on Harris to win in November at 4/1. She’s going to be the nominee in a 50/50 election so the odds are still decent even if last week she was 20/1.

Re: President Biden
 

I refer you to my previous answer.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1960

Also it wasn't an ad-hominem attack.



Do you think Joe's in charge then?

Re: President Biden
 

Two old men...I'm wondering why the strong and healthy young don't stand...

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American politics is rigged from the top to ensure they don’t, and if they do they lose.

Just look at the state of Congress.

Harris is their definition of passing the torch to the “next generation”. Even though she’d be 64 by the end of a hypothetical Biden second term, and 72 by the end of the two that followed.

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Your previous answer was incorrect - you focused on Vulcans, and ignored Buccaneers, Jaguars, and Tornados, which carried the free-fall WE177s…

You tried to move the goalposts from "Bombers as a delivery mechanism for nuclear warhead ended in the 60's." to " They stopped being primary delivery mechanism in the 60’s", even though your link and post stated " The Vulcan continued to carry nuclear weapons through to the end of the 1970’s in a tactical role.".

Pretty sure the 70s were after the 60s…

Anyhoo, Buccaneers, Jaguars, and Tornadoes carried nuclear bombs in the 80s…

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/bri...clear-weapons/

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I'm not interested we've had that discussion

do you think Joe's in charge then?

Re: President Biden
 

Wasn't always seen that way just more recently it's gotten so bad.

The median age at inauguration of incoming U.S. presidents is 55 years. The youngest person to become US president was Roosevelt, who, at age 42, succeeded to the office after the assassination of McKinley. The oldest person inaugurated president was Biden, at the age of 78.

Re: President Biden
 

Family seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet, They don't want Jill Biden, hadn't thought of it that way!

Re: President Biden
 

See a poll is suggesting Michelle Obama is the only Democrat that could beat Trump

Re: President Biden
 

Well he has a decent chance.

Re: President Biden
 

Again, Kool-Aid…

You be resurrecting the Birtherism bolleaux next…

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Ooh ad-hominem…..if you know the definition.

Maybe it was a joke……..if you know what a sense of humour is. (posting wanky memes doesn’t count)

So…… do you think Joe's in charge then?

And just in case the previous three or four time’s didn’t land. Just for the record.

do you think Joe's in charge then?

And, do you think Joe's in charge then?

And before I go to bed…… do you think Joe's in charge then?

Hey, Hugh, do you think Joe's in charge then?

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A) it’s hard to tell if it’s a joke* if it aligns with your previous Kool-Aid posts - if you thought it was a joke, you think racist/sexist tropes are funny
B) Yes, I know what a joke is - after all, you voted Reform
C) yes, just for the (stuck) record, I think Biden is in charge
D) at least Biden doesn’t gibber about being worried about having to choose between being electrocuted by a boat battery or being eaten by sharks

*got to love the old "it was a joke" excuse…

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Re: President Biden
 

Now look who's been at the Kool Aid

Re: President Biden
 

So who do you seem to think is in charge? Ratatouille? Someone telling him what to do? :rolleyes:

Re: President Biden
 

Deep State runs everything of course. They're not doing a bad job of it to be fair.

Re: President Biden
 

Not him.

Re: President Biden
 

That does not answer the question. If you think it ain't Biden then you must surely be able to state who you think is actually in charge.

You can't come here and blow smoke at everyone else, without actually being able to answer a simple question yourself.

Re: President Biden
 

I've already answered it, at least a couple of times.

Re: President Biden
 

Jill :erm:

Re: President Biden
 

Skybet have reopened the book on 2024 Democratic Nominee.

Biden 5/4
Harris 6/4.

By quirk, Harris is 4/1 to win in November and Biden 7/1.

The Republican candidate (8/13) is slightly shorter odds than Trump (4/7).

Re: President Biden
 

Introducing Zelensky as "President Putin" at NATO not the greatest start to what might be the defining hour of the Biden Presidency.

Re: President Biden
 

And he wouldn’t have picked Vice-President Trump, if he didn’t think she was up to the job.

He’s seemed a bit more lucid since the debate, but the cocktail of drugs they’re pumping into him can only do so much.

He struggles when using a teleprompter, when he goes off that anything can happen.

If he gets to the next debate, it’ll be a car crash.

Plus the world media is on notice now, the likes of CNN and MSNBC have been running cover for him for years but can’t any longer, every mis-step will now be highlighted and amplified.

Re: President Biden
 

I do think it’s the fact the media are no longer willing to be part of the charade that’ll will spell the end. CNN in particular are not holding back, despite undoubtedly being complicit in - at a minimum - not questioning things.

The Cabinet last met in October last year. We now know why the Defense Secretary managed to go into hospital for the best part of a week and nobody notice - he doesn’t answer to anyone in the day to day functioning of his job.

Strong rumours of “dozens” in Congress holding back til after NATO to break ranks it’ll be interesting if that comes to pass.

Re: President Biden
 

I am less convinced it's drugs and more that he has good days and bad days. You see this with people who have dementia or Parkinsons. Some days they are bad. Some days they seem fine and you think they're doing better before they say something completely odd. I don't have trouble believing Biden has days where he is perfect lucid, has a command of the facts and can seem fine but then have days like that debate.

Re: President Biden
 

I've heard he is great between 10am and 4pm but outside these hours makes mistakes as he did yesterday.

Re: President Biden
 

There comes a point where you need to retire and that moment has come!

Most people that age would be retired, yet this is someone we are giving the job of running a country, making worldwide decisions!

I admire his determination to continue but I think even he himself cant see the mistakes he is making. It's time to check in to a retirement home.

Re: President Biden
 

BREAKING- President Biden calls Rodney Trotter "Dave" in latest gaffe

Re: President Biden
 

The more I think about it, two of his recent “gaffes” aren’t at all. The radio one where he says the first black female Vice President”. He’s running off a list of things that’s merged into one by a lack of pause.

The other being “listen to him” at the end of yesterday. Merely a statement of contempt for Trump.

Re: President Biden
 

Or will the delegates defie the convention and not select him. They is as far as I know no law saying they have to vote for him.of cause that could be political suicide

Re: President Biden
 

They may not vote for him if they cannot do so “in all good conscience”.

This is being openly discussed on CNN and other outlets. Essentially laying the groundwork for another candidate if he doesn’t volunteer to stand down and a step short of invoking the 25th Amendment.

Re: President Biden
 

Utter rubbish!I've been making such gaffes all my.Now I'm 71 I see no reason to instantly say I'm not fit to hold any office on age alone.Ridiculous!

Re: President Biden
 

The only argument I would put forward, and this is for debate not a point of view ( well maybe it is) as the likes of me( close to 74) won't be around much longer do we have the right to decide what will affect the world in 5 or so years time:rolleyes:

Re: President Biden
 

His age alone is not the issue, the fact he seems senile is.

Re: President Biden
 

You do know you missed a word out in your post don't you Maggy? ;)

Re: President Biden
 

Whereas it is not looking good for Biden’s cognitive functions, Trump has also made plenty of gaffs relating to names, places etc

America’s political stuff is there to deal with but I’m of the firm view that it is *essential* to keep Trump out of the White House. I think Harris would be the popular vote especially because of how it would drive the right wingers bananas to have a black woman as their president.

In terms of “who’s in charge”, well obviously it’s the incumbent President. However, who actually makes the decisions? I’ve always believed it to be the leader’s advisors. This would especially have been the case with Trump who was (and still is) too thick to run a country on his own merit. And yes in the interests of balance I also think Obama’s advisors made the big decisions during his terms.

Re: President Biden
 

And the fact the other guy is a convicted felon, massive liar and a bit rapey isn't an issue, don't get how one is all that's talked about and the other is ignored, it's not even whataboutery, I just plain don't get it.

Decent people surround themselves with other Decent people, crooks and conmen surround themselves with similar although in donnies case no one who worked with him last time wants to work with him again, okay I get it in Pences case, they did want to hang him after all

Re: President Biden
 

Unfortunately Neither is fit to run a bath let alone a country, but Biden is the lesser of two evils.

Re: President Biden
 

The point is, You don’t get Biden. You get whoever is handling him.


It’s important to know who you are voting for.

Re: President Biden
 

Suits me! They have to be better than Trumps team.

Re: President Biden
 

I guess a positive for Biden might be that the queue of people wanting the nomination will get smaller once Trump gets a poll boost following the assassination attempt.

Re: President Biden
 

Biden has COVID. Or he wants to go into hiding for a couple of weeks.

It's a coin toss really.

I wouldnt blame him for wanting to hide at this point..

Re: President Biden
 

No reason or any sort of proof. Could this be smokescreen to give a him a reason to call it a day:dunce:

Guess we all got it wrong by wearing masks , President Biden or his "carer's " haven't bothered ,

Re: President Biden
 

There is increasing chatter amongst senior Dems today that he’s about to quit.

Re: President Biden
 

I do hope so. But Bden's camp is denying it.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-sho...-blog-13177655

Re: President Biden
 

Obama is even questioning his ability to run.

If they’re going to do something it will be now, apparently he has covid……, other than Harris running in his place I don’t know what their ticket will be. If she runs, she loses.

What other bright young potential nominee would want to risk their future political career by losing to Trump, which is very very possible, if not probable.

If Biden withdraws, it could be worse for the Dems not better.

Re: President Biden
 

Still a chance that Trump could be behind bars making it harder for him to win so it could be an attractive punt for a nominee, although I still think it would be Harris if Biden steps down.

The only people who seem to want Biden to continue are the Republicans and Biden himself and his closest entourage.

His Covid could be a blessing in disguise.

Re: President Biden
 

I don’t think it can get worse - appreciate the points re: Harris, her popularity and the lack of likelihood of anyone aspirational wanting to lose. But the Biden ship is sinking fast and taking Democrats all the way down the ticket with him.

Re: President Biden
 

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-bid...-blog-13177655

Biden is betraying his country and Party by not quitting.

Re: President Biden
 

Biden stepping down

Re: President Biden
 

Yep will take a few mins for the news sites to catch up.

Re: President Biden
 

So that’s 4 more years of orange BS then :(

Re: President Biden
 

Re: President Biden
 

See ya, slow Joe.

Let the circus commence.

Re: President Biden
 

It was the right and proper thing to do putting party before himself. hopefully the Democrats will pick someone who can keep Trump from winning a another presidency.

Re: President Biden
 

Well I guess that just means they'll get Trump for sure now.

That was probably likely anyway, the attempted shooting seemed to boost his chances.

Re: President Biden
 

Biden endorses Harris.

Re: President Biden
 

Biden's done the right thing. Tough for him but this is the right thing for country and Party. Let's hope his successor can defeat Trump.

Re: President Biden
 

You sure about that as his statement unless l missed something did not endorse anybody.

Re: President Biden
 

It’s not in the letter but CNN are reporting this as happening a few moments ago.

Re: President Biden
 

If Harris is the lead on the ticket…………(she won’t be)


But if she is, it’ll be a Trump landslide.

Can’t wait to see what sacrificial lamb they put up.

Re: President Biden
 

I don’t see how anyone can beat her to the nomination. There’s nobody of a national standing.

Re: President Biden
 

Just from the next election. He is remaining as president to finish current term.

Re: President Biden
 

I think Biden was certainly going to lose after the debate. Harris is a long shot but they might as well gamble.

Remember Trump isn't popular either. This isn't a candidate that is sweeping all before them and the shooting didn't move the polls, probably helped by the fact the shooter seemed to be a general wacko rather than that political.

Re: President Biden
 

Then it’s a Trump landslide

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By what metric?

I understood he was ahead on most polls?

Re: President Biden
 

I can really see the deep south voting for his current VP, a Black Woman.

Re: President Biden
 

Elections are a choice so he is more popular than Biden, especially in the swing states, but his ratings are poor. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com.../donald-trump/

Harris is doing better than Biden against Trump. Trump has a 1.9-point lead over Harris but a 3-point lead over Biden. https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...rump-vs-harris

It's a very divided electorate. It's probably going to be close no matter what. Like the last few elections, it will come down to small margins in the key swing states.

Obviously, we're now going to find out but the Democrats think there is at least a chance she can gain some voters back whereas I think everyone already decided that Biden cannot do the job.

Re: President Biden
 

Polling has some "shocks" to the system to work in. The assassination attempt, the RNC, Biden not standing, the upcoming Democratic nomination and the DNC.

I think the polls are small enough there's a lot within the margin of error. Polling tends to get better closer to the election, plus get less undecideds.

I wonder if jostling for the VP slot under Harris is more coveted than the top of the ticket. Get a national profile for 2028.

Re: President Biden
 

Arguably because of the Dems self immolating over the past couple of weeks. The polls will need a few weeks to settle down. Trump could still win, but I can’t see it being a landslide.

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None of the Deep South states are swing states. Even Florida, which is winnable by dems under some circumstances, won’t go Dem while Trump has his effective HQ there.

Re: President Biden
 

Back in the days of the “hanging chad”. Florida was indeed one of the most important swing states.


But under the governance of De Santis, I very much doubt that’s the case anymore, certainly not in this election.

Re: President Biden
 

the worrying thing is Biden still has 6 months to go and it's clear he can't do the job,he should step down as president and let the VP take over,but i doubt that will happen.

Re: President Biden
 

You won’t see very much of him between now and November.

Re: President Biden
 

I'd rather have someone who can't do the job but is gone in a few months than someone who can't do the job and is there for 4 years.

Re: President Biden
 

:clap::clap::clap:

If Trump is elected, he will also be older than when Biden started his Presidency.

Re: President Biden
 

Biden's age wasn't the problem.

Re: President Biden
 

Nancy Pelosi is even older and nobody is questioning her role in pressuring him to stand down and design the process for the next Democratic nominee (and potentially next President).